Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Diverbaz 1 on January 18, 2014, 15:31:04 PM
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And it gets worse.............................
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/01/turkey-passes-controversial-medical-aid-bill-2014118135840694702.html
Don't fall and break a leg in the street, you can't get treatment without the Governments say so???
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Just when you thought it can't get any worse !
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Just seen some talk of this on FB. Absolutely shocking!!
People could lose their lives whilst medical staff look on. I'm disgusted
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I am so glad we are away from there now.. I never seem to read anything but doom and gloom now.. The health issue was always a big risk for Barrie and we thought long and hard before moving there... We tried the private health care route.. No chance. We got on to The SGK and that route would also have been taken off us now... Since coming back to the UK.. Barrie unfortunately suffered another small stroke.. He had excellent care.. We are not pensioner's yet but there was no problem whatsoever getting back into the system.. I have had 2 scans and having a small op. In two weeks... I just wish we had taken our money out of there when we had the chance.. Seems we will just have to hope it improves..
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Having said this.. We had an amazingly positive experience in Fethiye and I know that most people are still living the dream and I am really happy for them...also for people just starting their lives over there.. Too many changes now for our liking...
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It is to be hoped that the doctors will refuse to treat any AKP supporters.
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Make no mistake this is entirely and directly a result of the good doctors and medical people helping people who came to Taksim and other 'flashpoint' areas around Turkey in the Gezi related protests of last year.
My brother is a doctor and the very thought of one standing around on a mobile awaiting Government approval as a man lies face down in the sand on Olu Deniz beach after a bit of a parachute mistake is quite frankly inhumane.
Death before protest against us - it is simply repulsive.
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It's absolutely ridiculous. It isn't just about government refusal but about doctors not being allowed to treat patients outside their licensed premises. My husband is a gp here and yes it means that he won't be able to treat the man lying face down in the sand. He needs to call 112 and wait for them.
It also means that he wont't (offically) be allowed to do house calls and/or examine patients in hotel rooms.
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His need to rush this law in is frightening.
He's preparing to crush any dissent, whatever the cost.
( and Gul signed it )
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As expected there seems to be a bit of conflicting advice about these changes. From what I understand it will have absolutely no impact on tourists or expats, unless that is they get involved in anti government demonstrations. If you get taken to hospital you will be seen immediately and if involved in an accident but lucky enough to have a doctor passing at the time, that doctor is able to treat you until the ambulance arrives.
The legislation seems to be a blunt instrument, but that's how they do things here.
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Maybe so - but what sort of a government passes a law that forbids emergency medical help to people who are specifically protesting against it? In some ways, that's even worse.
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A Turkish One !
I agree, it's totally wrong, but they don't mess about here, if the government don't like something it quickly becomes illegal. You won't find the Turkish government paying child benefit to immigrant families for children who are still resident in their native country, like the UK does for instance.
The problem to me seems to be that a lot of legislation here is very blinkered, the introduction may attempt to solve one problem but often creates many more.
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Also the protests were peaceful right the way from the start - the police attacked protesters in Gezi Park and then those who came to show their digust at their treatment. So this law basically says, if you come to protest peacefully, and our police attack you with gas/water cannon/rubber bullets, you will not only get hurt, but we will ensure you stay hurt.
Barbaric.
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Maybe so - but what sort of a government passes a law that forbids emergency medical help to people who are specifically protesting against it? In some ways, that's even worse.
A government that feels it is not in control.
This type of punitive behaviour happens everywhere in many aspects of life. I bet there aren't many people who haven't experienced the unreasonable dictates of bosses in the work place. Confident people, managers, governments don't need to behave this way.
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The difference is that we work for bosses - we do not work for governments. Incredible to believe but governments work for us!
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Or the governments families. !
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Incredible to believe but governments work for us!
Unfortunately I don't believe this to be true; more like themselves, their bank balances, the bank balances of their friends and anyone else that helps them line their own pockets.
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I have asked before, in another thread, but why, oh why does none of what Erdogan has done, is doing, or contriving to do, ever get the slightest coverage on the News channels in the U.K. ??
If someone farts out of key in deepest, darkest Timbukwhatever, all the bloody news agencies in the world are clamouring to get "first dibs" on the story, but, send armed police into the streets to beat up, and kill your own countrymen/women, or, single handedly turn his governments back on blatant theft/backhanders, and nada, zip, zifir, nowt !! Why? Does he have something on world news agencies ??
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I dont know why either....In the height of Gezzi the BBC sent their reporter, which was televised in the UK. To get into Turkey, as an official reporter, film and report probably is no easy feat. Most of the reports come thru a third party, Twitter, internet news stations, social media, which he condemns, with a vengeance. Al Jazzera manages it? When any reports do reach outside of Turkey, he slams them with ludicrous explanations. He is Turkeys ruler, changes laws, to suit his power path and basically says to the world, this is Turkey and its got nothing to do with you. The outside world takes note, watches and tread on eggshells, for fear of upsetting this unique country in the East. IMO
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Al Jazeera is unique in that rather than send in a news anchor to a country when something is happening they actually employ people/citizens of the country who live there. This is why their reporting often has the edge on most other news channels.
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Thankfully, if an accident occurs during a demonstration or protest a doctor can provide assistance until an ambulance arrives.
Doctors have to obtain authorization AFTER the ambulance service has arrived.
http://www.yellali.com/news/article/41/turkey-s-new-controversial-medical-legislation-and-what-it-means
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I live in the hope (probably false hope) that whoever ousts him and his gang
does an Ataturk, changes all the laws and gives them 6 weeks to do it!
JT