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General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Highlander on March 03, 2015, 13:23:01 PM
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The unbearably tragic case of Becky Watts says to me that her killers must, repeat must receive the Death Penalty.
Now whether or not this country should have the Death Penalty has been debated on here many times before.
What I am interested in is whether or not people think that it is high time we had a referendum on this important issue.
If a political party offered me that at the fore-coming general election then I would consider giving them my vote.
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her killers must, repeat must receive the Death Penalty.
Why?
If there was to be a referendum tomorrow I would say no. Lock people away for a full life sentence, the cost of that simply being an expense we have to shoulder in order to be a civilised country. If one innocent person was murdered by the state due to a failure of either the political or legal system then that would be one person too many.
JF
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OK.
But do you consider it is as important a matter that it should rightly be the subject of a referendum.
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Yes, sufficiently important that there is no referendum - why take a step back? All just, in my opinion of course...
JF
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I don't believe in the death sentence, so I would be a "No" too.
I do believe that life should mean life. Once the sentence is passed that is it. The person will be in prison for life and in cases of a horrific murder like the poor young girl today, I would say solitary confinement.
As I said on F.B. We only have to look at Ian Brady, who now has been in prison since the sixites and all he wants to do is die, but he is not allowed to and is tube fed. He is suffering and has suffered for many decades and this the way it should be.
I think the Death Penalty would have been too easy for Brady and years of wanting to die is his ultimate punishment.
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Someone murders another person and they have opted out of the normal boundaries of a civilised society so should not be given any compassion or further thought,expense,burden on that society .I for one would vote yes and be first in the queue to do the job ,just my humble opinion of course.
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There should be a referendum, but not on the death penalty. Even though there are a number of individuals who are just not fit to live in a "normal society", reinstating the death penalty would just be a backwards step that makes us no better than the likes of Saudi Arabia and many "Third World" countries that we often criticise for their barbarity.
There are many aspects of the EU that we as a nation would like to "discuss" with those that kowtow to Brussels on our behalf.
We also need a referendum on what should be done with foreign terrorists living in the UK and those returning from "Jihad".
Another one is to decide what we should do for those nationals and foreigners living in the UK who are apologists for ISIS.
How about one on the state of our banks that pay ridiculous bonuses to management and staff for making huge losses ?
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...and be first in the queue to do the job
Every time there is a particularly horrific murder, or act of terrorism, the shouts of "bring back the death penalty" are heard, usually followed by Steve's remark of "being first in the queue". The question I would ask is why aren't you asking for the return of the death penalty at other times? If it's so important why wait till the various candidates for state sanctioned murder pop up in the press as a result of their crimes, why aren't you campaigning for it when there isn't a horrific crime given prominence in the news?
I can understand the knee-jerk reaction to horrific crimes, for many years I was totally pro the death penalty. Maybe its an "age" thing, but I've come to realise that its not the answer - even the arguments relating to costs don't add up. In the western world the only country still killing prisoners is the US and they've come to realise that it actually costs more to kill someone for their crime(s) than it does to lock them up for life.
Not having a go at you personally Steve, its just you were the first to say you'd be first in the queue.
JF
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First in the queue to be first in the queue that's a first !
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But there may be others ahead of you, they just haven't said they're in the queue...
JF
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But there may be others ahead of you, they just haven't said they're in the queue...
JF
[/quote I have always thought that the Death Penalty should be re-instated, and not just for murderers either, my Facebook posts will explain my feelings, I am 100% in support of any campaign to re-introduce the ultimate punishment, for rapists, armed robbers ,and acts of treason .
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We're debating this on CBF, not Facebook - although I must ask, is there anyone else you'd like added to your list of potential execution victims... speeders, TV licence dodgers?
JF
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I would never want the death penalty back - I simply think we should make prison harder. I remember on Benefits Street, Fungi was always happy to be returned to prison because he was fed, looked after etc. We should treat our criminals as criminals - as they do in USA. We could also do well to take lessons from the likes of Australia - we are simply too soft.
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We should treat our criminals as criminals - as they do in USA.
But 32 US states, plus the military, still have the death penalty. So, you only want criminals treated in the way that 18 or so US states treat their criminals. Bit of a difference.
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I think what Lynne was referring to is the fact that American courts give convicted criminals long prison sentences and in the case of murder, life means life and not 10 years.
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Oh right.
So, shall we adopt some of their other great policing and judicial traditions ? Like tasering and shooting a tramp to death because he won't get up off the pavement. Sentencing a 16 year old lad to 55 years in jail because he DIDN'T commit murder during a robbery. Making sure you're armed when you go to do your weekly shop. etc
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No there shouldn't be a referendum. Even if it was a yes. Whom do you assign to be an official murderer on behalf of the majority voters whom aren't always right anyhow.
Murder is murder, sanctioned or otherwise.
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I don't watch very many films but I did watch one that I found very powerful a few weeks ago. I'd recommend it to all, whether for or against the death penalty.
Peirrepoint - The Last Hangman Starring Timothy Spall.
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Oh right.
So, shall we adopt some of their other great policing and judicial traditions ? Like tasering and shooting a tramp to death because he won't get up off the pavement. Sentencing a 16 year old lad to 55 years in jail because he DIDN'T commit murder during a robbery. Making sure you're armed when you go to do your weekly shop. etc
No, we don't have to take the whole menu. Why should we?? However, their justice system for sentencing murders to life (whole life) is one I approve of.
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We're debating this on CBF, not Facebook - although I must ask, is there anyone else you'd like added to your list of potential execution victims... speeders, TV licence dodgers?
JF Tut Tut, I always thought that you were better and wiser than that remark shows JohnF!!
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Gordon, ask your carer to show you how to do quotes properly. ;)
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We're debating this on CBF, not Facebook - although I must ask, is there anyone else you'd like added to your list of potential execution victims... speeders, TV licence dodgers?
JF Tut Tut, I always thought that you were better and wiser than that remark shows JohnF!!
"Better and wiser" in what way? You entered a debate on CBF quoting views held on a different web site that many folks have no access to, what did you expect?
Join the debate properly or bugger off.
JF
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My point is the decision to abolish the death penalty was taken by 650 people (the state) in 1965. I have not checked, but I would be hellish surprised if the proposal to do so appeared in any of those 650 peoples’ manifesto for the General Election of the preceding year.
In passing, some believe that it was a failure of the same political system that sent one person too many to their death in Iraq.
Clearly, it is not possible and/or feasible to have a referendum on every issue but I do believe that the issue of the restoration of capital punishment important enough to be one such.
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We're debating this on CBF, not Facebook - although I must ask, is there anyone else you'd like added to your list of potential execution victims... speeders, TV licence dodgers?
JF
Christs sake don't confuse him, Facebook and CBF are the same colour, I have given up trying to tell him the difference. as for quotes, we don't even go there. we are still at the copy and paste stage.
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Loz put him on the "naughty step" ;D until he promises to learn how to do quotes properly.
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I rarely come on here now, this one caught my eye.
I am for the death penalty, last month in Portsmouth we heard of a returning (Ex)? isis member, his friends died in Syria, what was his sentence? 4 bloody years!!! what is the point.
Many were up in arms over the release of the Bulger boy killers, by all means lock them up for the duration of the sentence, then give them the death penalty.
As for armed robbery, if you go armed and end up killing a person, you intend to use the weapon, Death penalty.
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Christs sake don't confuse him, Facebook and CBF are the same colour, I have given up trying to tell him the difference.
There are so many times I have sat back and thought you must have (as my mother would say) the patience of a phucking saint. Actually, she never said phucking, I just added that for effect.
JF
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I'm deeply effected.
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Well if we are going to have referenda (see that and I didn't even go to grammar school ;)) let's try the following subjects:
Public floggings for crooked bankers, 20 lashes a day maximum, for the duration of their minimum 10 years with no parole prison sentence. See I am a liberal. We should also introduce retrospective legislation too for historical banking abuse
Return of the stocks for tax dodgers given firm jail sentences, five days in the public stocks and 1 day off. Stocks to be placed near public areas, to ensure maximum benefit for the hard working people on PAYE.
Re-introduction of the rack for failed senior HMRC officials and Civil Servants.
Re-introduction of the birch for anyone caught wearing skin tight trousers showing their underpants and/or arse, or worse still men over forty wearing a baseball cap backwards.
Liberal application of clips round the ears or kicks up the 'arris - without fear of prosecution - for the new offence of using the words like 'kinda' or 'you know what I mean' or calling a celebrity by their first name e.g. Simon (for that arse Cowel) as if you are amongst their close circle of mates.
Re-introduction of banishment - like we used to Botany bay etc. - for failed PC local government officials (elected or executive) only modernise it by sending them to failed states like Somalia, Nigeria, Syria, Libya and of course those well known regime change destinations Afghanistan and Iraq.
That's enough refernda for now.
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Christs sake don't confuse him, Facebook and CBF are the same colour, I have given up trying to tell him the difference.
There are so many times I have sat back and thought you must have (as my mother would say) the patience of a phucking saint. Actually, she never said phucking, I just added that for effect.
JF
John it is your fault, CBF on Facebook! CBF as a forum, We do not go there now, I long ago gave up explaining the address bar and the Google search box,
Hanging, some days I wonder which of us will survive. but then again I would not be without him, he does not hide behind kind words if your bum looks big it looks big, what you see is what you get.
Usedbustickets I am with you all the way on this one, but you missed out on the the ones that start the sentences "Basically" "obviously"
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Well if we are going to have referenda (see that and I didn't even go to grammar school ;))
That's enough refernda for now.
You clearly didn't UBT ;)
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Basically, wearing white socks with sandals would be treated in the same way as indecent exposure.
Obviously, those of Gordon's ilk would get special dispensation provided the offence was only committed whilst topless on a dolmus.
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That's enough refernda for now.
Them of us what did go to a grammer skool at least learned how to use a spelcheker.
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Basically, wearing white socks with sandals would be treated in the same way as indecent exposure.
Obviously, those of Gordon's ilk would get special dispensation provided the offence was only committed whilst topless on a dolmus.
Does the phrase " Awa 'n' byle yer heid " ring any bells ?? ;-)
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See, Ah done a kwote, nae bother ata' !! ;) ;D
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Haud yer wheesht! : :)
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Fine .
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Clearly, it is not possible and/or feasible to have a referendum on every issue but I do believe that the issue of the restoration of capital punishment important enough to be one such.
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I know it's hard to accept, but we have to put our trust in the "650", as we were the ones who put them in charge .
Personally, I would have liked a referendum as to whether the Scots should have had a referendum for independence. I would have voted no by the way.
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We can't bring death penalty back as that outstanding up right politician jack straw signed it away along with other "rights of choice" to euro land. Only by leaving EU I think would we the British people have the right to decide on this and other matters.
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And the sooner the better.
The EU must be one of the most corrupt and unaccountable organisations in the world. Yes, even worse than FIFA.
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My eternal thanks to H and KKOB, the self appointed Forum Spelling and Grammar Police, for spotting my error. I feel suitably corrected and admonished (there's another word they use a lot in Grammar Schools).
Only 7 out of 10 for effort this time, must try harder.
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( Institute for the hard of understanding and learning ) ? ;D
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My eternal thanks to H and KKOB
You're very welcome UBT. H and I will always be available to guide you through the complexities of the English language and point out any errors that you make along the way. ;)
By the way, my middlename at Maidstone Grammar School WAS Admonished ! ;) For the first year though, they had me convinced that my name had been changed to Bend Over Boy !
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:o :o Really :o :o