Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: Lucy on June 16, 2010, 20:00:26 PM
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hi i was just wondering if anyone has had one of the new visa stickers? i came back from a week in the uk on monday and the visa sticker now says
180 gun icinde 90 gun gecerli muteaddit giris visesidir. Turkiye sinirlarindan ilk giriste sure baslar. calisma hakki vermez
multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work.
i aws just wondering if anyone knows if i can go again after 90days and get a new visa or if i have to remain outside the sountry until the 180days is up.
thanks
Lucy
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Ooh
Oooooh
That's interesting, it didn't used to say that...did it?
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The new visa I got coming back from Meis on Monday still says Multiple entry visa valid for 90 days.Nice new design though :)
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If that is read as it sounds that has really buggered up Visa Hopping:-\
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Yes it will have - a clever way of doing it too, without affecting the tourist side of things. They must really want that residency money...
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Just checked my sons visa he came here on Friday last week, says the same as Lucy's
Mark
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is this true then 90 day visa ,but then cant return for 180 days??
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I read it as 90 days in a 180 day period, or 90 in and 90 out.
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Looking on the bright-side, it also means that it's valid for 180 days which is handy for those that leave and return frequently anyway.
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For the real tourists they get a better deal, being able to have say, 3 x 1 month holidays in a 6 month (approx) period for the same £10 visa, which before would have cost 2 x 90 day visas £20.
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There are so many grey areas here that even with Turkeys penchant for moving goal posts it is unbelievable. This needs clarification urgently or someone is going to get back from a visa run to Meis or wherever to be told Sorry you cant have a new visa for three months but you have just got time to get to Dalaman and sod off!
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Or be refused entry to Kas!!!
But having said that, the information from Lucy & yabanci seems to suggest that the visa stamp you get at Dalaman and the one on return to Kas are completely different - what level of grey area does that create??!! Someone is going to find themselves in huge difficulties I think.
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Perhaps they are two different visa stamps out now.Mine was a 15 Euro one.
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i came back via Dalaman on friday, 10pound multi entry visa it now states, Quote, Multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days duration begins on the date of entry to Turkey holder has no right to work''there is a printed stamp mark right across this new information stating multiple entry visa void for 90 days, what this means i just do not no, but that's how its stated word for word on the new stamp, any light on this subject would be much appreciated.
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Has anyone encountered the situation at Dalaman where the official insists on taking a £10 payment even when you are returning within 90 days? The guy behind the desk was suddenly unable to understand English and the queue behind us were getting impatient so I ended up paying £10 but Jean was let in without a charge even though the entry dates on our passport stamps were identical.
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It is beginning to look as though it is 90 days and you are out for 3 months unless you have residency.....or peraps I should seek assylum in Russia or Syria then I would not need a Visa:-\:(
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Has anyone encountered the situation at Dalaman where the official insists on taking a £10 payment even when you are returning within 90 days? The guy behind the desk was suddenly unable to understand English and the queue behind us were getting impatient so I ended up paying £10 but Jean was let in without a charge even though the entry dates on our passport stamps were identical
I don't understand that if you had a valid visa, why did you go to the visa desk and not straight to the imigration desk for it to be stamped?
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This is a bit sneaky isn't it.As far as I know there has been nothing about it in the newspapers here.Seems to me IMHO that the govt here are trying to squeeze as much money as they can from ex-pats. Not everyone can afford the high price of 1, 2 or 5 year visas since the hefty increases last year.
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But on the other hand they are not wrong to tighten up the abuse of the tourist visa system by permanent residents. If it was happening in the UK, there would be an outcry. It is a visa for tourists, simple as that - you can't argue.
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
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Has anyone encountered the situation at Dalaman where the official insists on taking a £10 payment even when you are returning within 90 days? The guy behind the desk was suddenly unable to understand English and the queue behind us were getting impatient so I ended up paying £10 but Jean was let in without a charge even though the entry dates on our passport stamps were identical
I don't understand that if you had a valid visa, why did you go to the visa desk and not straight to the imigration desk for it to be stamped?
he didn't say he did - perhaps it was immigration that sent him away to pay the fee?
Watching this one with interest perhaps Starman can clarify the situation - or Linda1953 :)
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Originally posted by Scunner
But on the other hand they are not wrong to tighten up the abuse of the tourist visa system by permanent residents. If it was happening in the UK, there would be an outcry. It is a visa for tourists, simple as that - you can't argue.
indeed Kieth but ,if as a lot of tourist that visit Turkey have an early week or two in lets say May and a late break in September, they will not be allowed back in under the 90x90[?] rule unless its as Baz said 90 days in 180 day period, but i just can not get the idea of out hosts giving away over a million tenners ;)in fact if its the former, our lovely forum member Jenny1 could in theory (depending on her dates)may not be allowed into Turkey in September on a holiday already booked,(do not panic Jenny just using your situation as an example hope you did not mind ;))as you say if it was happening in the UK[?] if,:Dwe can always claim asylum:Di bet that would go down well here:D
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Whilst I agree in principle that if you want to live here you should obtain residency, it seems that this xenophobic government does not want expats here, why else would they double the residency costs?
If they need money that badly why didn't they put the tourist visa up by a pound? (it has not risen for 13 years) That would have created millions of pounds in extra revenue!
WE are not here for free medical care/statehandouts/employment/asylum etc. WE contribute to the economy all year round.
Also a point to consider, every member of every household will have to obtain residency. The government will have you by the bits and be able to charge what they like in the future.
If this years increase is anything to go by, people who are on fixed incomes will be priced out. That is over and above the drastically reduced interest rates.
Rant over........for now!
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by Scunner
But on the other hand they are not wrong to tighten up the abuse of the tourist visa system by permanent residents. If it was happening in the UK, there would be an outcry. It is a visa for tourists, simple as that - you can't argue.
indeed Kieth but ,if as a lot of tourist that visit Turkey have an early week or two in lets say May and a late break in September, they will not be allowed back in under the 90x90[?] rule unless its as Baz said 90 days in 180 day period, but i just can not get the idea of out hosts giving away over a million tenners ;)in fact if its the former, our lovely forum member Jenny1 could in theory (depending on her dates)may not be allowed into Turkey in September on a holiday already booked,(do not panic Jenny just using your situation as an example hope you did not mind ;))as you say if it was happening in the UK[?] if,:Dwe can always claim asylum:Di bet that would go down well here:D
multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work.
The way I read it is that you can come and go whenever you like during the 180 day period as long as your total number days in the country does not exceed 90.
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As i said Tony i can not see our hosts giving away all them Tenners ;) go compare go compare what a great advert:D(sorry off topic but could not resist it)
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(http://)the abuse of the tourist visa system by permanent residents
I think that is a bit OTT! In the event of this actually happening-just think the people employed by the companies doing visa trips will probably no longer have a job. 75% of the passengers on the Meis ferry will probably not make the trip...the restaurants will no longer have enough trade to survive.....the Duty Free shop etc etc. We may be using the present system to our advantage but it is not a one way trade we are putting something back.
How about all the people at the UK airports buying their Duty frees to be able to drink it here at a lower cost....is that not equally an abuse of the Duty free system?......No it is not an abuse it is using the system to their advantage to their benefit exactly the same way Please do not read this as a tourist v Ex pat rant we all have our place but to state we are abusing the system almost sounds as though we are benefit cheats. :)
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Am totally lost on this!
Can I no longer go for a 4 month stay? (doing Meis run after 90 days)
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Originally posted by saoirse
Am totally lost on this!
Can I no longer go for a 4 month stay? (doing Meis run after 90 days)
Again, the way I understand it is that after 3 months (90 days) in the country you are not allowed back until the 180 days deadline on your visa has passed.
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Yes you can, only you have to take a 4, 5, 6 month residency
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Well I don't think it's OTT Brian - it's a statement of fact. The tourist visa system is being abused by people that aren't in any way tourists. It may surprise some to know that I am not with the government on this, I do think the use of the tourist visa system by permanent residents is not right, but I also do not think there should be any charge for residency for British settlers. The benefit to the economy is quite simply enough, and it is short sighted to make people pay to become resident. The difference between those settling in Turkey and those settling in the UK is that there is no possibility of the British becoming a drain on public resources - if you can't make ends meet you won't be getting any social security! Hence you must be putting into the economy or you are drinking from rivers and eating grass.
Your argument about the jobs lost if the abuse of the tourist visa system simply is irrelevant. It's a fairly insignificant number of jobs based around the abuse of a government system. If it is wiped away they will have to find other ways to get people to use their boat/duty free shop etc.
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Diverbaz - GB described the situation perfectly, my apologies for not doing it myself. :)
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180 gun icinde 90 gun gecerli muteaddit giris visesidir. Turkiye sinirlarindan ilk giriste sure baslar. calisma hakki vermez
multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work.
The more I read it, the more I can not see a reason once you have stayed 90 days, you can go and get another visa and come straght back. It is to the advantage of tourist coming within a 6 month period more than once, but for less than a total of 90 days.
Now I have confused myself even more. I am glad we have 3 1/2 years left on our residency.
mark
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
Yes you can, only you have to take a 4, 5, 6 month residency
So you come on holiday in May as a tourist, and return as a tourist in September, but you have to become a resident[?] this sounds like a episode from Yes minister, Humphrey where are you to explain this one:D:D
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thanks mate-the plot thickens
I am still of the opinion it is to encourage the use of Res Permits and ends the visa run scenario but am hopeless at understanding Turkish red tape
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"multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work"
Perhaps I'm being thick but I understand it like this....
On the day of your next visit they give you a 180 day clock and it starts ticking. You can come and go as often as you like for the next 180 days as long as the total of your stay(s) does not exceed 90 days. Once you have reached 90 days you have to wait until your clock stops ticking before you can come in again. On the next visit after that you get a brand new clock and you go around again.
Before you ask - they aren't real clocks :)
OK I am being thick!
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I think thats right. I reckon you cannot apply for a new visa until that 180day period expires
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Originally posted by SteveJ
"multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work"
Perhaps I'm being thick but I understand it like this....
On the day of your next visit they give you a 180 day clock and it starts ticking. You can come and go as often as you like for the next 180 days as long as the total of your stay(s) does not exceed 90 days. Once you have reached 90 days you have to wait until your clock stops ticking before you can come in again. On the next visit after that you get a brand new clock and you go around again.
Before you ask - they aren't real clocks :)
OK I am being thick!
that is my take on it as well
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Originally posted by BM06
So you come on holiday in May as a tourist, and return as a tourist in September, but you have to become a resident[?]
Not as I read it!
You buy a visa when you arrive in May. It is still valid in September provided that your May and September stays don't together exceed 90 days?
It's getting complicated this.
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Originally posted by BM06
i came back via Dalaman on friday, 10pound multi entry visa it now states, Quote, Multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days duration begins on the date of entry to Turkey holder has no right to work''there is a printed stamp mark right across this new information stating multiple entry visa void for 90 days, what this means i just do not no, but that's how its stated word for word on the new stamp, any light on this subject would be much appreciated.
I think that this means that overall it is an 180 day spreadover visa but is void after the 90th day spent in Turkey.
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So the "three month" visa is now a "any three months in six" visa? That will mean a reduction in the number of tourist visas being issued. I think.
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Originally posted by Scunner
So the "three month" visa is now a "any three months in six" visa?
In a nutshell, yes. ;)
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Jesus Scunner you have me more confused!!!
All I wanna know is can I renew after 90 days or do I have to wait till end of 6 month period before getting a new visa. We are simple people in Uzumlu Scunner, please spell it out for me-type slowly!!!!
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But they didn't tell anyone!
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Originally posted by saoirse
Jesus Scunner you have me more confused!!!
All I wanna know is can I renew after 90 days or do I have to wait till end of 6 month period before getting a new visa. We are simple people in Uzumlu Scunner, please spell it out for me-type slowly!!!!
I don't know, Mr Scorsese. I'd assume you won't be able to renew after 90 days otherwise the 3 months in 6 idea simply wouldn't work?
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Just imagine the "red tape" traffic jam after the rush for residency has started. : :)
Your 90 days will probably be up before your application is processed.:P
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but good news for us tourist types. I hope they've told the Visa Police at Dalaman :)
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I think you are right Scunner......(in all honesty I am lost and will just limit time there to 90 days to be safe!)
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But what about people like saorise? Spending 3 months in the Turkish summer sun, then can't go to Istanbul for a nice weekend 10 weeks later?
It's beginning to sound a bit silly and a bit sensible all at the same time. How do they manage to do that :D
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Originally posted by SteveJ
but good news for us tourist types. I hope they've told the Visa Police at Dalaman :)
Don't hold your hopes up, inter-departmental communication is not a thing that happens here very often, if at all! :(
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So as the story goes so far lets try and put a positive on the topic, if the multi entry visa now last for 180 days, with a 90 day multi stay within that period, you can renew your visa after your stay of 90 days in one block,as usual[?] like Baz said its a benefit for the tourist who have two or three holidays a year,it does not say you can not renew your visa after a 90 day stay in one block, just that you can now return as many times as you like over a period of 180 days not exceeding the 90day limit, so the visa trips should not be a problem.[?]
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And what about our 'permanent' tourists who may well have one of these in their passports but didn't read it? They go to Meis next time as normal after 90 days, only to be refused entry on their way back due to their 90 in 180 already being used up? This could be very seriously bad for people.
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You can do it if you work out your dates carefully enough....
7 days in March - 180 day clock starts
30 days in June
31 days in July
22 day in August. - 180 day clock stops
Next trip in September gets you a new 180day clock.
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I don't think they will issue you another visa until the 180 days have expired.
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The crucial question is, what happens once you have used all 90 days in 180. Can you not come back for 90 days or can you buy a new 90 days in 180 visa?
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Originally posted by pasha
I don't think they will issue you another visa until the 180 days have expired.
But then, some sort of records/computers will be needed at the visa stamp windows. There are none presently as anyone who wants to buy a visa can buy one.
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by pasha
I don't think they will issue you another visa until the 180 days have expired.
But then, some sort of records/computers will be needed at the visa stamp windows. There are none presently as anyone who wants to buy a visa can buy one.
But you then have get past the passport police who scan your passport in their computerised system.
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Yes you are right. So you could not only be thrown out of the country but also wasted a tenner. Bad day that.
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BM06 - what would be the point in introducing a new rule if, as you seem to think it changes nothing? Although it doesn't specifically say that you can't renew your visa after 90 days I think that it is implicit in the new wording.
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Yeah think you are right. It will no doubt stop regular long term holidaying-lot of planning needed now for us non residents
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Originally posted by SteveJ
BM06 - what would be the point in introducing a new rule if, as you seem to think it changes nothing? Although it doesn't specifically say that you can't renew your visa after 90 days I think that it is implicit in the new wording.
It is implicit, "duration begins on the date of entry to Turkey" that being the first day of your 180 and not subsequent days in that period.
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Steve, the change being multi visits in an 180 day period, rather than 90 days, like your earlier post(dates March to September)saves you a tenner? i think.
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"The crucial question is, what happens once you have used all 90 days in 180. Can you not come back for 90 days or can you buy a new 90 days in 180 visa"
If you spend your 90th day on the day before your 180 day visa runs out then you only have to wait 1 day before you can get another visa. If you use up the 90 days in the first 90 days of the 180 then yes -you have to wait another 90 days.
simples (I think) :)
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BM06 - it is good news for those of us who holiday in May and September as it will save us £10 each. In your previous post you said "you can renew your visa after your stay of 90 days in one block" I don't believe that this is the case.
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I have just phoned Carole & Tayfun regarding the visas.The representative informed me that they are not doing the Maes trips anymore.
Must say that the rules on this are very ambiguous, especially as there has been no information given via the newspapers.
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Another scenario to ponder, someone arrives for a couple of weeks holiday on the 28th June. They want to come back for Xmas 0n 18th December.
180 days are up on 25th December - does thay mean they have to go to Meis on Xmas day??
Or will there be some leeway as they can see that the person is a genuine tourist and grant them another visa?
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It may even affect the housing market to foreigners (although its already bad enough) as some may not wish to buy in a country where they will be so restricted in comming to their holiday home
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Pasha - In your example they will have to plan the dates of their summer holiday by counting 180 days backward from the last day of their Christmas holiday and start their summer holiday on whatever date that is(i.e. after June 28th)
or they could just blag it on their way out at the airport. :) What could the Turkish Authorities do, deport them?
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the Turkish authorities really do specialise in shooting themselves in the foot
I mean such restrictions will just mean many people will simply have to plan more and spend less time (and money) in their country. Absolute daft way to go about things
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Originally posted by SteveJ
Pasha - In your example they will have to plan the dates of their summer holiday by counting 180 days backward from the last day of their Christmas holiday and start their summer holiday on whatever date that is(i.e. after June 28th)
or they could just blag it on their way out at the airport. :) What could the Turkish Authorities do, deport them?
This person has already booked both dates. :-\
I'm pretty sure that if the visa only has a few days left (and not gone over the 90 day limit) they will ask you how long you are staying and grant a new visa - as they do now.
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Pasha - I suspect that they will have to buy a new 180 day visa on 18th December because their last day in Turkey will be not be covered by their existing (starting on 28 June) visa.
Hopefully things will be clearer by December ;)At the moment we are all trying to best guess what the new rule means for us, tourists and residents alike.
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hi
myself and my husband came into turkey on the 1st may this year and we were given the normal visa stamp saying multiple entry visa for 90days...
our concern is that we are here until the middle of oct, so what hppens next?
we have done this for 4 years now, and go to greece for the day to renew the visa at the end of july for the following 90 days...
i am concerened now due to gettimg the correct information as to what to do... how do we find this information and where???
jo
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You will be Ok for this year as they will issue one of the new visas at the end of july.
Next year however, under the new system as I understand it, you will not be able to stay for the six months in the summer unless you buy a 6 month residency.
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Jo - I'm trying desparately not to look like the "font of all knowledge" on this subject because nothing could be further from the truth. :)
You would have to abide by the restrictions of your current visa and renew it as you suggest. You should then get a new 180 day visa and the "90 days in 180 days" rule will apply.
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I am just on my way out of the office as I just got back from lunch at the consulate. I will get my team to phone our contacts at the airport tomorrow to get clarification on this.
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i have just been in touch with the UK embassy in Ankara, they were about as much help as a chocolate teapot, they did not have a clue what i was going on about, just out of interest fees for the other way round, 6 months single or multi entrance visa 68pound,2years 230pound,5 years 420 pound,10 years 610pound, i get the feeling they love the tourist here, but do not want you here on a permanent basis, unless you pay a ridiculous amount of money for a little blue book,(which you pay for anyway)sad but true iMO.
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Is there anyone in Fethiye who could go and have a chat with the Pasaport Polis at the harbour?
If I was over there, that's what I'd be doing now.
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thanks to everyone that replyed, will be very interested in what starman finds out..... i hope that we can renew as normal.... for this year at least..... BUT will have to re think for the coming years, as we are not willing to become residant.....;-(
jo
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Hi, A friend of ours has just telephoned the British Consulate in Marmaris and was informed that the new visa is a standard visa issued to all nationals coming into Turkey. British people have special dispensation. The interpratation of the visa for British is that you are now only allowed to come into the coiuntry once during the 90 day period as opposed to coming in say, April then going home and coming back at end of May whilst the 90 days is still in operation. i.e. single entry as opposed to multiple entry within the 90 days. The 180 days before re-entry to the country will not apply, though at the discretion of the border authorities, if they believe someone is trying to avoid a residency permit then questions may be asked and suggestions made that a residencey permit is purchased.
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spanner - works - throw :D
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In the above I meant to say the new visa is issued to all nationalities not nationals referring only to British - sorry for any confusion.
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with all due respect that makes even less sense!
Can only come in once during the 90 days???
So if someone goes for hols in July they cant go back for a hol in August????
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i hope so!! feel much happier now ;-)
thanks enigma
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:o that can't possibly be right
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sorry, it's the sun/heat affecting me - you can of course come back within the 90 day period but would have to purchase another visa for that visit as it is only for single entry.
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so basically nothings changed
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This visa is similar to what they do for other nationalities of B group countries and seems to have gone global for all countries but wont get 100% info for tomorrow but this is the advice we gave to someone today if it makes any sense.
It depends on the date of your entry to Turkey.For example if you enter Turkey as of today (17.06.2010) then you would have to apply for a touristic residence permit before you leave.But if you leave Turkey before 90 days,then we have to look at how many days you've spent in Turkey before you leave. For example if you leave the Turkey 2 months after you enter Turkey,you would have 30 days left till 6 months regulation is due.(Remember that we had mentioned before that You are allowed to stay 90 days in total in 6 months when you enter Turkey).After you come back from Algeria,you would have to apply for touristic residence permit because you would have only 30 days remaining till the expiration of your allowed stay limit in 6 months, after your first entry to Turkey.But you would need another 90 days to complete your duties here till the 6 months regulation is due.In order to have you stay here for another 90 days within 6 months after your first entry,we would have to apply for touristic residence permit.You are not allowed to spend 5 months in Turkey within the 6 months after your first entry even if you re-enter Turkey during this period.
Has I said, I hope to get clearer information tomorrow because I manage a company that processes over 1000 work and residence permits per year and this new info is critical for our clients.
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That's blatant discrimination that's wot that is.
I don't want special dispensation, I didn't ask for it, I want the first one back - the one that saved me a tenner.
I'm starting a protest group "Against Recent Special Dispensation".
Anyone else want to join ARSD?
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I might if I knew what the hell it all means
Either after a straight 90 day stay you must leave for 90 days OR you can leave get a new visa and immediately return for another 90.
Which is it?
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Starman - at what point did you think that that would clarify things? :D
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Taken from ther website of
THE CONSULATE GENERAL OF TURKEY
London - United Kingdom
Canadian and Norwegian citizens currently pay the most to enter Turkey at point of entry - paying 60$ for a 90 day entry visa. Americans pay $20, as do the Australians and the Russians. Buying a visa at a Turkish consulate before you travel will cost you more - American passport holders will pay $45 for a single-entry visa and $150 for a multiple-entry visa. British ordinary passport holders pay £10 in sterling at the border, or can obtain a six-month entry visa for £66 (£207 for one year) or a multiple-entry visa for up to five years for £207 from the Consulate General for the Republic of Turkey in London.
What's with the five year £207.00 visa? - one of those will do me!:P
BTW the Germans don't pay anything! :-\
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Originally posted by starmanTM
you would have to apply for a touristic residence permit
What the bloody hell is a touristic residence permit?? Is it like a tourist visa and like a residency permit but actually neither?
I might have to go and lie down.
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AND :D
What did Lucy get (her post started this topic) - she didn't pay £66 or £207. She paid a tenner and got a visa stamp quite different to what Yabanci got.
I fear we are no further forward :-\
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Originally posted by BM06
i came back via Dalaman on friday, 10pound multi entry visa it now states, Quote, Multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days duration begins on the date of entry to Turkey holder has no right to work''there is a printed stamp mark right across this new information stating multiple entry visa void for 90 days, what this means i just do not no, but that's how its stated word for word on the new stamp, any light on this subject would be much appreciated.
Having read this a couple of times it suddenly dawned on me that they may have used standard visas meant for other nationalities and overprinted them for the Brits and mistakenly used the word "void" instead of "valid".
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Keith - budge up a bit and stop knicking all the blanket.
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Originally posted by pasha
British ordinary passport holders pay £10 in sterling at the border, or can obtain a six-month entry visa for £66 (£207 for one year) or a multiple-entry visa for up to five years for £207 from the Consulate General for the Republic of Turkey in London.
So for £207 you can buy a one year entry visa or for £207 you can buy a five year multiple entry visa.
This is getting ridiculouser ;)
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It seems at the moment none of us have a bloody clue what is going on! I for one am just sitting tight until this gets cast in stone and will then decide if my bit of paradise was a mistake or not.:(
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Thanks to all contributors on this thread - you've certainly brightend up a boring afternoon in Nuclear Reprocessing for me. A splendid summers evening in prospect here in Cumbria so I'm going home now to mow the lawns and have a cold beer. I might come back later to find out the latest rumour! :D
Regards, SteveJ
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....and I'm off to decapitate a few Efes. :D
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And i have just backed the winner in the gold cup at 20/1 get in:D
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Just got this back from Turkish Embassy in London still baffled
Yes.you right, If he spends 90 days from his first entrance date in Turkey , He can come back to Turkey 90 days after his departure date.
From: Mark Jarvis [mailto]
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:16 AM
To: LONDRA BAÞKONSOLOSLUgU; LONDRA BAÞKONSOLOSLUgU
Subject: 90 day visa
Dear Sir/ Madam
I notice on arrival at Dalaman airport my son has a new style visa stamp in his passport which reads.
180 gun icinde 90 gun gecerli muteaddit giris visesidir. Turkiye sinirlarindan ilk giriste sure baslar. calisma hakki vermez
multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work.
Can you please explain what this means, does it mean a person spending 90 days in Turkey on a visa, can not come back into Turkey unless they have left the country for 90 days.
Thanks
Mark
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Karokemark that seems to confirm the change-max 90 days in then 90 days out
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Well it does confirm it 100%
So knowing what we do, let's call it 50% :D
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noooo Scunner!
That fits with the 180 day rule-max of 90 days in any 180. Cant get new visa till end of 180, hence if you do 90 days straight you are out for next 90-simples!
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Yes that's what I meant it confirmed :)
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hi everyone thanks for the replies. looks like there will be a lot of people getting residency this year and wahts the bets that that gets put up again. Scunner i got a 10pound cisa but mine didnt have an exta stamp on it like yabancis
LUcy
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Please dont think that the turkish consulate say is set in stone as it is not. What they say and what actually happens are 2 different things. Like I said, I will try and find out what I can tomorrow and if still not convinced will call the ministry involved.
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Given that the news from Mark seems to get to the bottom of things I'm going to close the membership for ARSD. Bit of a bummer really as I had great plans for the AGM!
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We wont know what will happen till someone's new tourist visa run's out..
untill then.... it's just another visa scare...
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Originally posted by pasha
Taken from ther website of
THE CONSULATE GENERAL OF TURKEY
London - United Kingdom
Canadian and Norwegian citizens currently pay the most to enter Turkey at point of entry - paying 60$ for a 90 day entry visa. Americans pay $20, as do the Australians and the Russians. Buying a visa at a Turkish consulate before you travel will cost you more - American passport holders will pay $45 for a single-entry visa and $150 for a multiple-entry visa. British ordinary passport holders pay £10 in sterling at the border, or can obtain a six-month entry visa for £66 (£207 for one year) or a multiple-entry visa for up to five years for £207 from the Consulate General for the Republic of Turkey in London.
What's with the five year £207.00 visa? - one of those will do me!:P
BTW the Germans don't pay anything! :-\
This is a con from the consulate. The money you pay goes towards there new years party fund. They say you can get a visa for 6 months or 5 years but if you went ahead and got one then you would get a visa but with a little piece of paper stabled to the visa warning you that you have to register at the foreigners police within 30 days which basically means you have to get a residence permit and pay AGAIN.
Anyone who does it this way is stupid or has no care for money.
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Is this a record for posts in a twenty four hour period Keith?
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Originally posted by SteveJ
Given that the news from Mark seems to get to the bottom of things I'm going to close the membership for ARSD. Bit of a bummer really as I had great plans for the AGM!
I really wanted to be a member of ARSD, but the wife gave me the bums rush. ;)
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I am thinking this sounds like they might just have used the wrong visa stamp.
It wouldn't be the first time.
I have someone arriving lunchtime tomorrow so will check their stamp then
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That's quite a strict way to treat lunch guests
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Got confirmation from the passport police.
It is all a load of tosh. They might have run out of stamps and used other ones but the tourist visa rule remains the same as it has always been for the last few years.
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Thanks, your a star man, and that explains the over stamp.
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Well done Starman and thank goodness we have someone who can get the correct information. Big sigh of relief all round...
Fi
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Thanks Starman. We can stop panicing now.:D :) ;)
Don't know why Carole & Tayfun have stopped doing the Visa trips though!!:(
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Turkish Consulate in Dublin says there is no change (though official sources arent always reliable)
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Originally posted by scouser2
Don't know why Carole & Tayfun have stopped doing the Visa trips though!!:(
Because there are richer pickings now the season is under way, watch what happens at the end of October!
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Thankyou Starman for the confirmation.
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Originally posted by pasha
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Originally posted by scouser2
Don't know why Carole & Tayfun have stopped doing the Visa trips though!!:(
Because there are richer pickings now the season is under way, watch what happens at the end of October!
They won't be getting my money then.
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Originally posted by pasha
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Originally posted by scouser2
Don't know why Carole & Tayfun have stopped doing the Visa trips though!!:(
Because there are richer pickings now the season is under way, watch what happens at the end of October!
How cynical Tony anyone would think you had lived here for 13+ years ;) ;)
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Can someone explain to me why these stickers were printed! Starman when you have 5 mins to spare please email the Turkish Embassy in London to explain what tosh means.
Mark
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Mark, does your sons Stamp have a printed stamp going from bottom left to top right,which as i can only guess canceled the former 180 day stamp? which could have been a printing error?
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There are many different stickers for different nationalities. It does happen often that they run out of a certain sticker and use other ones in its place.
I have no idea what these new stickers look like as I have not needed a sticker for over 10 years.
What I am curious about is, the person that got one of these stickers, what currency is printed on the sticker? Is it dollars, GBP or Euros?
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Starman, mine was 10GBP issued last Friday early hours in the morning 00.30am
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Interesting. So they may have plans for it in the future if they went to the trouble of printing of those stamps. Could anyone scan a post a jpeg of it for me?
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by pasha
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Originally posted by scouser2
Don't know why Carole & Tayfun have stopped doing the Visa trips though!!:(
Because there are richer pickings now the season is under way, watch what happens at the end of October!
How cynical Tony anyone would think you had lived here for 13+ years ;) ;)
13+8 to be exact.:P
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hope its all cleared up now ...maybe mix up because your passport has to be valid for 90 days after you get your visa stamp
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Actually, your passport should be valid for 6 months (183 days) when you enter the country. ;)
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Originally posted by BM06
Mark, does your sons Stamp have a printed stamp going from bottom left to top right,which as i can only guess canceled the former 180 day stamp? which could have been a printing error?
his and his girlfriends have a printed stamp just random, they always stamp over the sticker when you go in and out.
Mark
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Originally posted by karaokemark
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Originally posted by BM06
Mark, does your sons Stamp have a printed stamp going from bottom left to top right,which as i can only guess canceled the former 180 day stamp? which could have been a printing error?
his and his girlfriends have a printed stamp just random, they always stamp over the sticker when you go in and out.
Mark
Mark, is there a printed stamp on the visa, from bottom L to top R not the rubber one that the customs use[?]:D see my post on 2nd page of topic fore the wording ;)
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by karaokemark
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Originally posted by BM06
Mark, does your sons Stamp have a printed stamp going from bottom left to top right,which as i can only guess canceled the former 180 day stamp? which could have been a printing error?
his and his girlfriends have a printed stamp just random, they always stamp over the sticker when you go in and out.
Mark
Mark, is there a printed stamp on the visa, from bottom L to top R not the rubber one that the customs use[?]:D see my post on 2nd page of topic fore the wording ;)
no just the usual rubber stamp
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Well i a'int got a scoobie mate ;)
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Yesterdays visa stamp confirmed as ninety days in 180
The currency is definitely pounds sterling.
Starmans guess that there may be plans afoot to raise more funds in the future could be correct........
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Customs police in Kas (so I have been told) have been saying for months that there will be changes sometime this year to visa arrangements for UK passport holders and it will effect the Meis trips. So we can only but make of this as the possible crackdown which I would think many of us have been expecting.
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Originally posted by hubblebubble
Yesterdays visa stamp confirmed as ninety days in 180
The currency is definitely pounds sterling.
Starmans guess that there may be plans afoot to raise more funds in the future could be correct........
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If that's true, you'd have thought that they'd have tipped Selo off about it, wouldn't you? Instead of letting him go ahead and invest all that money in the new ferry. ;)
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i think it has been on the cards for a long time now and said so in the past.
but thought this post was a wind up as a friend came over from rhodos the day before yesterday with a normal stamp. and something like this, i believe ,will be more coordinated with more publicity.
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Carole and Tayfun are not doing the visa trips anymore..perhaps they have seen this coming to.
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Talked with Tayfun yesterday and it has nothing to do with the Visas. It is a question of economics....2-4-6 people going and he is losing money every trip and obviously can't guarantee a full bus load every time. You know it makes sense as Del Boy would say:D
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My current visa was bought in April (the old style one) and I went in to Turkey in May on the same visa. I am returning in July for four weeks so will need a new visa, will this be ok am I allowed to return again so soon am little worried as I have been reading these pages and dont understand it at all, but will be on mo own in July so do not want to be refused entry! Have looked at son's visa he purchased in May and it is definetely differnt to my old style one. Any help greatly apprecaited on this subject.
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my wife has a visa stamp 90/180 over this is a printed stamp saying, multi entry visa valid for 90 days, which i presumed canceled the 90/180 bit, which was confirmed by starman in an earlier post, and i think Stuart's post has got to be spot on there would have been more publicity. for a bit of POM the Turkish embassy site in the UK has no mention of it, and i spoke to the UK embassy in Ankara on Friday and they did not no what i was on about.
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I am not sure anything more can be added to the posts on this.The wife has spoken to" Late breaks", ie Meis Express,who in turn spoke to the passport police at kas.The short answer is they know nothing of any changes to the Visa.But this is not unusual in politics, particularly in Turkey. So we have to wait and see.But anyone who is close to a visa run might be well advised to get a new one while you can.That would give you six months if you are counting the 90 days you would get on the newer stamp next time.
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I went today and got the usual stamp and am back home in Turkey -)))
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I came to Turkey (arriving at Dalaman airport) on 28th May 2010 and was issued the 90/180 days visa. I didn't even notice until a couple of days ago I automatically assumed I was issued the usual 90 day visa glad I checked my passport! Thats when I started searching around online for some information and to be honest I'm even more confused as some people have been saying they are getting these new visas, and some are saying they are still getting the old ones. I am returning to Turkey in a couple of days (1st July) so will have to see what happens when I arrive. I am hoping these 90/180 visas are some sort of mistake. If anyone has anymore information they could give it would be greatly appreciated!
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Have checked my passport. Some stamps are marked in Euros, some pounds and one in dollars. All cost me the normal 10 pounds.
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Is there still no definitive info on these new visas?
I am a member of 3 different forums and its incredible that no one can get any definite info on this matter.
I have had contact with Irish and Turkish consulates and they know nothing. Its bloody frustrating!!!!
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i thought starman had give the answer here.....
starmanTM
Helpful Member
Turkey
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Posted - 18 June 2010 : 07:38:10
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Got confirmation from the passport police.
It is all a load of tosh. They might have run out of stamps and used other ones but the tourist visa rule remains the same as it has always been for the last few years.
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thanx mate-note to self "read the posts before yapping
(my only concern re that is this is also currently happening at Bodrum and Antalya)
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My sister in law flew in ysterday into Istanbul and she got a normal 90 day visa. No 180 day thing. As stated before, there is NO change in the entry rules at all.
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Even though no changes have been made, it does beg the question as to why these stamps have been printed in the first place if there is no intention of using them. Or did the authorities just have new dies etc made and stamps printed for fun????
No changes yet, but I bet there is something in the pipeline. This is not just one man deciding to print a new stamp, this will have been a commitee of some sort working out the design and deciding when to implement the changes etc etc.
Time will tell!!!!!
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I suspect you may well be right, and in the not too distant future there wil be a huge number of expats seeking residency. I just hope the authorities will have the infrastructure in place to handle the rush :)
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Wasn't the explanation that the 90 in 180 day visa is one handed out to other nations, and whoever was on visa stamp duty simply ran out of the normal ones for British arrivers?
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Originally posted by Scunner
Wasn't the explanation that the 90 in 180 day visa is one handed out to other nations, and whoever was on visa stamp duty simply ran out of the normal ones for British arrivers?
Someone said they were for Russian tourists, if they were would they not be written in Russian and not English?
Mark
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I've just done the Rhodes run, visa is same as it's always been - Rhodes was cheaper than i expected, most restaurants charging 2 euros for a large beer :-)
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Russian tourists dont need one mark,they are on free entry (they are building a power station for turkey).Very few countries east of turkey now need a visa all the way from syria up to Russia.No prizes for guessing where large numbers of muslims live.Also Indonesia is now on a free entry no visa situation.With the exception of germany every country west of turkey seems to be paying for the visas.
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i think your being a bit harsh there mate...of the top of my head i dont think french and new zealand pay for visas and its a tit for tat situation based on what countries charge turkey for visa entry.
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i think your being a bit harsh there mate...of the top of my head i dont think french and new zealand pay for visas and its a tit for tat situation based on what countries charge turkey for visa entry.
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Italians dont pay, czechs dont pay amongst many others that dont pay. Being a muslim country has nothing to do with it.
When Britain stops charging Turks for visas then brits wouldnt have to pay for a visa.
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https://www.visainfoservices.com/Pages/Content.aspx?Tag=VisaFees_PAGE Totally agree starman nothing to do with race or religion,but i do not see how its a like for like charge, (see link)it was about 10 years ago, but the last 7 years, the comparable increases have not run on a level coarse, why? i do not know the answer, perhaps you can shed some light on the astronomical rise over the recent period?
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Have a read of this it seems to be true about 90 days in & 90 days out,but it does say they are seeking official clarification.
http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/kalkan-news/85964-new-turkish-visa-regulations-from-july-2010
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Originally posted by chewyturk
I've just done the Rhodes run, visa is same as it's always been - Rhodes was cheaper than i expected, most restaurants charging 2 euros for a large beer :-)
Rumours eh i just love em ;):D
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\This is what I was told months ago, and I posted a reply to this subject some pages back, and the information came from the harbour
police in Kas.
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Originally posted by kevin b
Have a read of this it seems to be true about 90 days in & 90 days out,but it does say they are seeking official clarification.
http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/kalkan-news/85964-new-turkish-visa-regulations-from-july-2010
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by chewyturk
I've just done the Rhodes run, visa is same as it's always been - Rhodes was cheaper than i expected, most restaurants charging 2 euros for a large beer :-)
Rumours eh i just love em ;):D
Why when some people hear information they do not want to hear it is classed as a rumour.
Fact my sons visa said 90 days in 180 days
Fact they did not print these for fun something is changing
Fact they were not printed for Russians or they would be in Russian
Interesting reading from the article from the Kalkan times or is that rumour because we do not want to have change.
Mark
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I can't see where BM06 sees the rumour in his quote - is it just a rumour that Chewyturk found Rhodes cheaper than he had expected or the rumour that most restaurants were charging 2 Euros for a large beer?
Anyway, the general feeling is that a change is on the way...
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As i said the article states in the 1st paragraph Rumours and in the second that we believe the rules have changed, and then after the red letters, we are trying to get confirmation from a RELiABLE source, as i said before the British embassy in Ankara has no knowledge of this nor has the Turkish Embassy in London, it is not the law at the moment, as has been said before on this topic, it would have been reported in an official publication, as would any law change, if as i have noticed most of Turkey's rules or laws on tourist and visitors are like for like ie you change the law or rules for us, with return in kind, as the UK has no immediate plans to change the muti entry visa system for the Turkish visitors or students, i cannot see the reason for them to, at the moment, i also think it would be economical madness for business and trade, its not all about expats on visa runs.
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Why economic madness though? For tourists it's way better than the current system. It means the May & September visitors (for example) don't need 2 tourist visas for their two trips, this one will cover both.
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Mark, fact my wife has one of those stamps and a printed stamp over it clearly states valid for 90 days only FACT. and on a lighter note i have been a Tukish citizen for just over five years, so i can assure you it does not effect me personally, so its not something i do not want to hear, i just like to deal in facts, ps there are no visa for Russians.
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Economic madness for Turkey, less tenners.
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Not sure if a stamp has been posted and I can't be bothered to check back, so here is a large scan of my daughter's passport, visa stamp given 4th July 2010:
(http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/90180.jpg)
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i am attempting to get a photo of the the wifes stamp, but i have not got a scanner, scunner. :))
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http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/travel-advice/travel-advice-turkey?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4 This is dated today? still trying to scanner, scunner.
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http://www.turkishconsulate.org.uk/en/visa.asp?PageID=2#2 This is also dated today hope this clears the subject up. still trying to get the photo scunner, but i must admit is seems strange, but i will get the photo on one way or another. :))
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Economic madness for Turkey, less tenners.
Less tenners but more residencies!!! Even with the likelyhood of people leaving, it would take more than 8 people to leave for every person who would take out residency before losing money. I don't see that many leaving, yes there will probably be quite a few, if 11 in every 100 stay and buy residency, they will make the same money.
Even the link you have posted BM06, states no right to reside on the 90 day visa.
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Also into the equation is the expenditure into the economy that foreigners add. KDV (VAT) on supermarket purchases, duty on petrol etc. so it is easily argued that Turkey needs to try to keep it's foreign settlers. Once again though, it has to be said that the tourist visa method of permanent residency is an abuse, so my view is that a reduction in residency permit costs (or scrapping the fee altogether) may be the way to tidy things up.
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Baz When i said bad economics i was referring to the tourist visa, 25 million UK tourist visited Turkey in 2008, lets say 10% are multi trip tourists ie 2.5 million tenners far out way the residency revenue, so in my opinion bad economics, but then again this is Turkey and it would not surprise me in the least,they are some times prepared to take 2 steps forward and 4 back.
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Another rumour ????
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It's the genuine tourists who gain, well the ones that come 2 or 3 times a year if they can time their holidays within the 180 days. Before anyone jumps on me, most tourists come for a week or two, those that stay months at a time are really short term residents.
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OK then - a scenario (cos I'm so confused!):
What do we do if, for example, we bought a visa in early March (in time for the Easter hols - yes, I know it's not until mid April next year!)and used it for two weeks; then came back to Turkey and used it for a week at the end of May; and another four weeks in August. It would expire early September, and we would have used it for 7 weeks, (49 days).
Could we then purchase a new visa in October, for our usual one week end-of-season visit, which would run for another 180 days? It's all a bit confusing.
By the way, I've just checked our passports and hubby and I have the "normal" 90 day visa which we purchased end of March, and used again for a week at the end of May. Obviously, we need to buy a new visa when we arrive later this month, as our 90 days has expired.
On the other hand, our daughter didn't come with us in March, and her visa (issued at the end of May) is one of the new 180 day ones. We wont need to replace her visa at the end of July for our 4 week holiday, as, on our going home date, it will only be 88 days from date of purchase. Can we then use this same visa for our week at the end of October, under the 180 day ruling?
I'm very confused (it doesn't take a lot! :o )
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As i said economic madness, losing all them second tenners, ie a tenner in May free in September, approx 2.5million tenners a lot of money, but i do agree its a loophole and they may have just closed it, it seems. until i see it on an official govenment site i will assume the status quo.
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we come out several times a year most school holidays will we still be able to do this? I am soooooo confused. :-\
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Went on a trip to Meis today not requiring a visa until next month but was advised to actually renew it today as the 90 day visa is being replaced by the 90/180 day system and it would not be possible to renew if I waited until the due date in August. We were also given a petition in Turkish and with an English tranlation to petition our embassies against this new system which seemingly does not apply to all countries and therefore discrimiates.:-\
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Brian have you seen busybee post under the heading, Well its finally over? because it seems she was told something completely different today?
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A tourist/holiday visa is just that - it isn't a visa to live permanently in 3 month chunks by daisy chaining tourist visa you
If you wanna be more than a tourist buy a Residency" Simple peeps...
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How to add even more grist to the confusion mill.
Please.... can anyone subscribing to this topic who actually have access to one of these new 90 / 180 day visa stamps which is overprinted with a rubber stamp look carefully at the overprinting.
I have been shown two examples by a neighbour.
Both " overprints "are identical, in that:-
Neither says Valid
Neither says Void.
They both say Volid.
The second letter of this debatable word is definitely an o, if you compare it with the rest of the overprint typeface.
So is everthing clear now:(
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you can no longer live in turkey on a visa. You are only allowed to live in the country for up to 3 months per year. All Brits (no other european countries have been subject to this new legislation) must buy residency permits. It has gone through Parliament and that is it. Must be the British Government. The last visa run is October 2010.
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why couldnt you go in august to renew - why have you had to go now? If the last visa runs are October I dont see why you have had to bring your trip forward??
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now I am confused! how many topics are running[?]
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OK all other visa topics locked now so trying to get my poor brain round all this and sort out my holidays and length of stays,
previous threads:
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Originally posted by loz
"We came out on 11th May, returned 3 July =52 days.
So we were intending to return Mid September for 60days or 2 months, that means we can't as it is using more than our 38 days remaining out of 180 days, WHAT A BALLS UP!!!
Do you get the feeling we are not welcome?"
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Originally posted by dalyansam
Your first 180 day period finishes on 6th November, so after this date you should be able to apply for another 90 day visa. As you have used 52 days already if you delay your visit until the end of September, your remaining 38 days should take you up to when you could leave Turkey e.g Kas to Meis, to get your 2nd 90 days worth...clear as mud or what! check this out - it might work!
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Originally posted by loz
Thats the whole point, the Visa run has finished 10th October (just leaving the Country is now not an option), if it was possible to to do the visa run you still had to have no less than 65 days left to qualify, therefore, if we come out on 15th September (wanted sooner rather than later) we can stay until 23rd October on our 38 days remaining out of 180.
Now assume that when we enter Turkey for example 15th September, totally unaware of this 90/180 day rule we would in our ignorance believe we could stay until 14th December, we get to the airport on 14th December to leave and are then faced with a fine for overstaying our 38days out of 180.
Now isn't that as clear as mud!
And this link, If I purchase a 5year multiple visa for £400 does this mean that my holidays are sorted for the next 5years:D[:o)]
http://www.turkishconsulate.org.uk/en/visa.asp?PageID=16#16
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so if i come to Turkey for a month get a visa stay 1 month ,go to the tropics for a week return for 2 months spend Christmas in Honolulu ,i have to get a new visa when i return whats difficult about that ,Visa Las Vagus ,huh,huh.
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The whole thing is madness and will put tourists off comming-for example if I come out for 1 week mid Jan I cannot have a 3 week holiday here in July!!!! (would exceed the 180 day visa limit)
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Originally posted by blueeyedbird
you can no longer live in turkey on a visa. You are only allowed to live in the country for up to 3 months per year. All Brits (no other european countries have been subject to this new legislation) must buy residency permits. It has gone through Parliament and that is it. Must be the British Government. The last visa run is October 2010.
wrong
this applies to Ireland too
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http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/advanced-search?post http://www.turkishconsulate.org.uk/en/visa.asp?PageID=2#2 i really do think that if such an important subject as this, at least one government would let you know? both sites are updated on a daily basis,allegedly?the UK site as far as i can make out was updated in August 09?:D
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Originally posted by lord berry
so if i come to Turkey for a month get a visa stay 1 month ,go to the tropics for a week return for 2 months spend Christmas in Honolulu ,i have to get a new visa when i return whats difficult about that ,Visa Las Vagus ,huh,huh.
as I read this you will not be returning as you have used your 90 allocated visa out of a 180 day.
You can only come as a tourist for 90 out of 180, (3 months out of six), YOU arrive in September(23rd)/October, stay a month, go to the tropics for a week in October return (31st) for 2months to Turkey for Christmas (December 29th used up all 90days), then swan off to Honululu, now that is the problem unless you are staying in Honululu for 3 months to enable to return to Turkey, as you have used up your allowance of 90 permitted days out of 180 days, therefore, see you in March/April.
Now you can see the problem?
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Does anyone know, or have access to a list of any other countries affected by this change in visa requirements? Or is it only for the British, and if so, isn't that discriminatory, and why?
Reason I ask, is to clarify how it would affect people of other nationalities, married to a British citizen, but travelling together as a couple for their holidays, on their individual national passports...[?]
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Why is it discriminatory? If it is the British only who are using the tourist visa system to get round purchasing residency, then it is in direct reaction to that. I'm not aware of any other nationality doing this in any great numbers.
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Apparently the British Consulate in Fethiye know nothing about any visa changes for the British and at present it is still as it has always been!
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No surprise there then
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Just another thought on this, many many people do not read this forum or any other, they will possibly not know anything about this and go on their visa run in October, only to be told when they return that they cannot enter Turkey for 90 days. I would say please pass the word on to any expat you know, so the info can be passed around before the 10th October and then there will be no surprises for anybody.
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Many people don't read this forum Baz. I think "many many" is an exaggeration.
;)
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Originally posted by saoirse
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Originally posted by blueeyedbird
you can no longer live in turkey on a visa. You are only allowed to live in the country for up to 3 months per year. All Brits (no other european countries have been subject to this new legislation) must buy residency permits. It has gone through Parliament and that is it. Must be the British Government. The last visa run is October 2010.
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this applies to Ireland too
oh sorry didnt realise there are loads of irish living here......what about germany then eh?
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I often repeat myself, I say, I often repeat myself:D
On the embassy note, I copied this from another forum, where many many people have read it:D
In response to a query regarding the 90 days in 180 days visa, this is a quote received today, 15th July, from Deniz Kiymaz (Consular Assistant) at The British Consulate in Izmir:
"I contacted passport police at Izmir Airport regarding your query. They confirmed that the regulation has been slightly changed for visitors inline with European immigration laws. You can only stay in Turkey for a total of 90 days in a period of 180 days. If you use your 90 days at one time then you cannot re-enter Turkey for another 90 days. If you are planning to spend more than 90 days in 180 days in Turkey, you need to apply for residency permit at nearest Foreigner's Police department."
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Originally posted by blueeyedbird
oh sorry didnt realise there are loads of irish living here......what about germany then eh?
He didn't say there were loads of Irish living there, he said it applies to the Irish too. You do sound a little aggressive.
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I have been reading this topic and been interested in some of the comments that have been made. The theme is now heading towards the Turkish government victimizing the Brits.I wonder if anyone has actually considered it from the Turkish side and checked what a Turk needs to do to get a tourist visa to enter the UK. The fee is a minimum of 68GBP, the applicant has got to show that they can support themselves in the UK, they are interviewed and have to provide biometric samples and information.A high percentage of applications fail. It is not a matter of just turning up at Gatwick and just paying 10GBP.
Once the visa has expired then the Turk is thrown out of the country or he has to repeat the whole process again and it is highly unlikely that the average Turk will get an extension. The Turks make it easy to get into the country because they need tourism revenue. As Scunner said earlier there is a big difference between being a tourist and a resident. The vast majority of Turks have little or no chance of getting residency in the UK where a Brit is very likely to get residency in Turkey. I have not heard of anyone being refused residency.
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So please excuse me if I have this wrong but I am rather OLD,I had the new visa stamp when I entered in June (6th0 so when I return in September do I have to purchase a new visa, I have only used 30 of my 90 days.
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Have to say I have been reading these comments with interest. Yes the Turks have to pay a lot more than we do for their tourist visas but as stated the Turkish Government does need the revenue which is not such a big consideration in England. They go through stricter tests than we do because so many of them do not return after their visa expires. Yes, this is true, as a Turkish friend of ours has several friends on tourist visas in England that expired over a year ago and they have disappeared over there. If they are found they are deported but only if they are unlucky. Many of my Turkish friends who managed to get a visa to England have be able to renew their visa for other visits and some of them got them for 2 years with multiple visits. I also believe but not 100% sure but if a Turkish tourist has an accident that they receive free treatment. We don't even with a residency.
I also agree that we must obey the law but we were going to get our residency in March but because of the very large increase in fees we couldn't afford to do it. Surely once we have had a 5 year residency the next one should be reduced in price and then I am sure that many Brits would be happy to get one.
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Sorry to post 2 comments so close together but have just read Diverbaz 1 comments and need to ask If its bringing Turkey in line with European Immigration Law, how come the Germans do not need a visa at all??
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Originally posted by friar tuck
So please excuse me if I have this wrong but I am rather OLD,I had the new visa stamp when I entered in June (6th0 so when I return in September do I have to purchase a new visa, I have only used 30 of my 90 days.
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If you go to Turkey on 1st September you will only have 4 days left on your original visa (I don't think you will only want to stay for 4 days) then you will need another visa.
Now assuming that your original stay was for 2 weeks (14 days stamped exit visa on passport), this leaves you 166days remaining out of the new 180day rule.
You will still need a new stamp on entry (£10) in September.
(it is still a bloody debacle)
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Yes but he can't have a new one on arrival as they have to expire before a new one is issued, otherwise expats would be able to get a new one each time the 90 days is up (irrespective of the 180 day bit) and it would be a nothing story...
:D
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Do the turks pay for a visa to go to Germany[?]
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So are you saying or reading it that the 65 day rule is being scrapped? God it is never ending,even the official government sites are not at all clear.
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It is written (so I heard) that in order to prevent people getting to 90 days and simply going to Meis and buying a new visa on their return, that each visa must expire (i.e. be 181 days from issue) prior to the issue of the next. Otherwise it would be no problem and the Meis hop could carry on as is.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Why is it discriminatory? If it is the British only who are using the tourist visa system to get round purchasing residency, then it is in direct reaction to that. I'm not aware of any other nationality doing this in any great numbers.
Sorry, Scunner, but that's not an answet to my question, just an opinion you have formed about the British. I just think that it would be fairer if all other countries that require tourist visas (and some are outside Europe) should be subject to the same rules. Otherwise nobody knows where they stand, and people will have to bombard their various Embassies or Home Offices to find out. As for it being mostly Brits who are to quote you " If it is the British only who are using the tourist visa system to get round purchasing residency" then you need figures to back up what you are saying. Brits are not the only people who are doing this in Turkey. This rule should apply to all foreigners who have to obtain tourist visas to enter Turkey. This is all I'm saying.
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I don't need figures to back up an opinion. I don't know how many metres high Kilimanjaro is but my opinion is that it's quite a high mountain. If figures are important you surely must have some to back up your own opinion that it is discriminatory against Brits?
I have been on the day trip to Rhodes many times and across to Meis a few times. I have never noticed, overheard or spoken to anyone other than Brits on either crossing route.
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Every country in the world has rules and regulations on visas. The UK does not treat all nationalities the same. If you come from the USA you do not require a tourist visa to enter the country. Therefore why should Turkey be any different to any other country.
I am not 100% sure but I read somewhere that it is not necessary for Turks to have to pay for visas to enter Germany and Holland.I think there is a reciprocal agreement with Dutch and Germans entering Turkey.
At the end of the day the law is the law and if you do not like it then you can always leave.
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At the end of the day the law is the law and if you do not like it then you can always leave.
Oh that's alright then. UK owners on our complex, any complex, non complex homes, who were encouraged to buy by Turks, now can only spend 6 months in the property they paid their hard earned cash for...unless they apply for residency. Great innit.
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I don't think I agree with Mr Peedoff on that one :)
Just because it is the law doesn't make it right - it is legally correct but it will definitely cause problems to many - and this is in the wake of interest on savings plummeting, electricity prices rising, same for meat, and of course a doubling of the cost of residency in 5 odd years. This is why I think that the compromise should be a vast reduction in the residency costs to move people from island hops to legal residential status. Maybe even to scrap the fee altogether, or just charge for the book.
The British who arrogantly lecture the Turks on how they are the saviours of the local economy are entirely wrong. Nobody starved before it became a hotspot for fleeing Brits. I remember when seeing a Brit was something of a novelty, especially in winter. Seeing a new car in Calis was almost unheard of, seeing a car in January was quite rare :D
The whole point is this. Life is more comfortable for all in the area, Brits and Turks, in 2010 compared with 2003. What may happen is that the official figures that presently are brought out to show how many foreigners made Fethiye their home will soon enough show how many have left. Addressing the residency costs now will keep a good number of people from leaving - because once they've gone they've gone and they won't be coming back.
When that happens we'll return to 2002 where there was only enough winter trade for one bar to open. Not the end of the World and I'm sure everyone left behind will cope - the Turks are without doubt the most resilient and adapting people I have met - but I'll tell you something, if it heads back to 2002, all those BMW X5's will have to go back :-\
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Originally posted by loz
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Originally posted by friar tuck
So please excuse me if I have this wrong but I am rather OLD,I had the new visa stamp when I entered in June (6th0 so when I return in September do I have to purchase a new visa, I have only used 30 of my 90 days.
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If you go to Turkey on 1st September you will only have 4 days left on your original visa (I don't think you will only want to stay for 4 days) then you will need another visa.
Now assuming that your original stay was for 2 weeks (14 days stamped exit visa on passport), this leaves you 166days remaining out of the new 180day rule.
You will still need a new stamp on entry (£10) in September.
(it is still a bloody debacle)
I thought I had this straight in my head, but with each post I get more confused; the way I thought it would go FT is that you would have a period of 180 days from 6th June, that would be to the 2nd December 'ish (too late in the evening to check my sums !!) - you used 30 days up and would therefore be able to re-enter a total of 60 days between whenever you left Turkey until 2nd Dec.(i.e. 180 days after the initial issue of the visa ), is this correct ??,
PLEASE HELP as I am in a very similar situation we came out on the 5th June for 30 days and are returning for 2 weeks 27th September, I assumed by other posts I have read that our visa would still be valid and we would have 60 days left to use [?][?][?]
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im not too sure so do not quote!
BUT I think also Indian visa the same They are doing it to combat Terrorism Too many people entering and leaving the country on tourist visas to make terroism Maybe Turkey is following these other countries
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a further up date ......
http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/kalkan-news/86109-update-on-new-turkish-visa-requirements
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Totally agree with Scunner's last post.
Like a lot of expats I have money in the bank and use the interest to live. I also pay the Govt. quite a bit in tax for the privilige. Certainly more than the cost of the residency permit per year.
The way things are going here at the moment, cost of living rises etc., IMO turkey is heading for the same cost of living as UK. Before anyone starts on about council tax etc the cost of running my car is about the same as UK council tax. On average 500/600tl per month.
Like everyone else I've felt the pinch of interest rates dropping and there is no sign of them shifting. And the bank believes if they did it would only ever go up to 10%.
If I'm going to be poor I'd rather be poor in the UK where I, at least, would have the benefit of health care etc. Here you're entitled to nothing.
The cost of residency is going to have a catastrophic effect on pensioners who, perhaps, only have their pensions to live. 2/3 years ago it was adequate, now it isn't. And, of course, they've invested in houses here that they can't sell for love nor money.
Financially the Govt are shooting themselves in both feet. And, as Scunner says, the Fethiye we all know (and have spent a LARGE amount of money in) will die. As will Bodrum, Marmaris and all the other expat areas.
Some people will just not be able to afford the new residency costs. If there is a petition going then I for one, will definitely sign it. And contact the UK govt. and ask them what the hell they are doing to help expats. Reciprical my arse[:(!]
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You can not have one rule for all when it comes to tourist visas. Every country has different entry rules for different citizens. Some have to pay and some dont. Some get 90 days and some get 30 and some can not even get VOE visas and have to get them at the Turkish consulate to be able to fly to Turkey in the first place.
Also Istanbul airport is still giving the normal 90 day visas to Brits and none of the visas issued as of yesterday state the 180 day rule. Just like many things, the Turkish authorities are still perfecting the art of confusion.
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IMHO, I think you should all stop speculating as to why/what/how and stop moaning, accept the new ruling as you aint gonna change it ! Most of you have abused the tourist visa system for years so should be grateful you got away with it for so long ! If you all want to live here....stop trying to buck the system and pay for your residency. Good God, if you heard about a load of foreigners in the UK doing something similar there would be an outcry. The politics behind the requirement for a tourist visa for different countries is just that, political. It's not an affront to Brits !! What makes me laugh here is that so many of you state you contribute to the local economy....how's that then ?? Many of you illegally rent out apartments and villas without paying taxes, therefore actually taking business away from pensions and smaller Turkish hotels. Black economy thrives here, there are quite a few people doing a little something on the side so you cant have it all ways can you ? Tourism wont be affected here, just the ex pat who doesnt want to/can't pay residency. That mens the Nil and Bamboo bars will be empty......
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sorry, before you all get grumpy, I didnt mean to slander the Nil and Bamboo bars !! I meant all the seafront bars in Calis once the summer season is over >>>>>>
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Originally posted by baklavalover
IMHO, I think you should all stop speculating as to why/what/how and stop moaning, accept the new ruling as you aint gonna change it ! Most of you have abused the tourist visa system for years so should be grateful you got away with it for so long ! If you all want to live here....stop trying to buck the system and pay for your residency. Good God, if you heard about a load of foreigners in the UK doing something similar there would be an outcry. The politics behind the requirement for a tourist visa for different countries is just that, political. It's not an affront to Brits !! What makes me laugh here is that so many of you state you contribute to the local economy....how's that then ?? Many of you illegally rent out apartments and villas without paying taxes, therefore actually taking business away from pensions and smaller Turkish hotels. Black economy thrives here, there are quite a few people doing a little something on the side so you cant have it all ways can you ? Tourism wont be affected here, just the ex pat who doesnt want to/can't pay residency. That mens the Nil and Bamboo bars will be empty......
I have to agree baclavalover with all you say
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baklavalover I don't thnk this is a new ruling at all, I think that the Turkish Government are just closing a loop hole. This is why there have been no announcements to the embassies, they are just going to apply the law that is already in place. NOT everyone breaks the law over here by having a little black market number, in fact I help with the carnival and the many people that I have meet doing this are putting a lot back into Calis and the poor childen not taking away. I total agree with Scunner and Preece statements and feel nobody will die if we all go home but the area will be poorer because of so its time the Turkish Government saw as as a help to there ecomony not a neccessary evil to be tolerated but not encouraged.
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There is an article coming in tomorrows (Tuesday) Fethiye times..... Did i make a comment about this in Feb??? and was told not to listen to the man in the string vest who had drunk 15 Effe's!!!!!
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I also agree with baclavalover. This system has been abused for so long. End of the day it costs 400 pound a year for a residence. If you compare it to border jumping 4 times a year and add on the visa cost, travel costs to the ports, cost of travel to get across, money you spend on food and drink for the day, losing out on the exchange rate for euros, spending on duty free booze that you would not normally buy on a normal day then the cost is not that much different.
Foreigners in the UK have to go about this legally through Croydon and dont have the border jumping luxury where you can pop over to France for a few hours and come back with a new visa.
Should count it lucky they have been allowing it to happen for so many years.
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Totally agree if you reside in Turkey then have a residency permit, we did, now we are back in the UK and will be penalised for having a property in Turkey that we want to visit throughout the summer months (May June and maybe September/October also New Years various weeks/months) this will not now be possible under the new 90/180day rule.
I am not now resident of Turkey I am resident of UK, all my papers state this, why the hell should I have to be forced to buy a residency for a holiday home that I will now probably use for upto 4 months total out of a 12 month period!
Angry! YES! [:(!]
(beginning to think I should have bought in Spain)
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Just another slant on the new visa,
It reads on the visa that you can have 90 days in the country in a 180 day period, so you have a new visa , you have 180 days to use the 90 days. There is nothing on the visa that says you cannot have a new visa after the 90 days have been used. Just means an infrequent visitor has longer to use the 90 days.
I hope that is clear enough to understand what I mean.
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If that is the case, why are the likes of Selo worried? Get Visa 1 on return from Meis, 90 days later get visa 2 on return from Meis. No change.
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This is all very confusing we will not know the truth until it has been published as TRUE... But the link provided (Page 22) states.
we would stress that until such time as an official announcement has been made, any views expressed on KTLN should be regarded as unconfirmed.
Long term residents
In the KTLN Kalkan Survey* sample, around one third of long term foreign residents did not have formal residency, but chose to do 3 month visa runs.
If you are amongst that number, our understanding is that you will no longer be able to do this. Your options appear to be clear: either you spend 3 months here and 3 months abroad (possibly back in your original country), or you apply for your residency (ikamet).
If you currently have a 3 month visa issued before 14th July 2010, you will be able to get one of the new visas, which will allow you a further 90 days stay, in a period of 180 days, from the date of issue. So most people reading this, (in mid-July), will have at least 3 months to get things sorted out.
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Exactly, I think people may have just jumped to the wrong conclusion, it's the pessimist that lives with us that live here:D
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Well 23 pages of wrong conclusions does no harm for the CBF stats :D
Could be. Is Selo and expat too then? ;)
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"This is why I think that the compromise should be a vast reduction in the residency costs to move people from island hops to legal residential status. Maybe even to scrap the fee altogether, or just charge for the book."
Tourist visa 1 month, Single entry. £10.
Visitors visa 3 month. Multiple entry.£30/£40. Renewable(eg Meis)
Residency permit £200.
Now all I have to do is get elected Prime Minister of Turley.
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Now all I have to do is get elected Prime Minister of Turley.
Ah but this is about visas to Turkey:D ;)
Keith, Selo got the information from a travel agent waving an allegedly "official document", maybe he was winding Selo up:D
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Probably a print off from CBF 8)
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
Now all I have to do is get elected Prime Minister of Turley.
Ah but this is about visas to Turkey:D ;)
Oops! Of course, I meant to write Prim Monster of Turkey.
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Oops! Of course, I meant to write Prim Monster of Turkey
Prim and Proper I hope:D ;)
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It seems ok that we should be able to stay here with more than just a tourist visa, but then the government should make things fair for us, by making the residency a fair price, and allowing us the chance to work to earn the money to pay for residency if we want to.
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There is nothing to say foreigners can not work in Turkey. You just need a work permit. I have one myself so they are not impossible to get.
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Voices Newspaper had this article on their website today....
http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4201
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Originally posted by amca
"This is why I think that the compromise should be a vast reduction in the residency costs to move people from island hops to legal residential status. Maybe even to scrap the fee altogether, or just charge for the book."
Tourist visa 1 month, Single entry. £10.
Visitors visa 3 month. Multiple entry.£30/£40. Renewable(eg Meis)
Residency permit £200.
Now all I have to do is get elected Prime Minister of Turley.
I totally agree with you amca. To be fairer to all, a residency fee should be applicable to all who purchase property in Turkey, BUT it should be low enough to enable property owners ie. retired folk, to be able to pop over to Turkey whenever they like. A lower residency fee would enable everyone the choice of residency if they wish, or if they only visit occasionally, or stay in hotels etc, and nobody would then be breaking the law, if that's what many of us have been inadvertently doing. If it is NOT about money, then reducing the residency fee will do the trick, and keep the tourism business going too. 8)
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Back from Meis today with the old 90 day visa?
Please read article in www.turkishlocalnews.com which has delved into the problem.
I appologise if this has already been mentioned in the previous 24 pages. I do nove the time to read as it is eating into valuable visa time.
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Yes, you will be able to get the 90 day visa up to the 9th October, but then possibly not be allowed back into the country for 3 months on your next trip. So I would pack a bag next time to take with you to the UK.: :)
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Thankyou Diverbaz.
I think your interpretation needs official clarification.
Does anyone know if the Meis visa door will be closed soon, or is that option always going to be open.
The difficulty I feel is going to be the amount of residency applications all coming in at the same time, and rather difficult if you are stranded in the UK or elsewhere.
The delays at passport control on the inspection of the 180 day visa, to ensure that the new rules are being adhered to will I feel cause a great deal of delay/irritation to waiting holiday makers/residents.
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Originally posted by hamilton
The delays at passport control on the inspection of the 180 day visa, to ensure that the new rules are being adhered to will I feel cause a great deal of delay/irritation to waiting holiday makers/residents.
They could always introduce a law that ensures you have to travel in flip flops there will then be an abundance of fingers and toes for the passport police to count on. ;)
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Regarding checks at Dalaman and other airports - passports are electronically scanned on arrival so visa dates should show up very quickly.
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Yes but one thing that doesn't show up at all is your intended departure date. Without this there are very few relevant calculations that can be done.
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Agreed it does nothing to help the individual know the important visa dates - but my reply was in answer to the possible delay at passport control.
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How much is a one year Residence permit?
How much is three months stay in England?
No contest.....
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Depends on who your staying with ;)
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I have been told tonight that due to the fact that it only applied to 3 airports and after intervention by the British Consulate it has been deemed as illegal and dropped. ALLEGEDLY:D
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and here is the Fethiye Times version of things..
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6250-turkish-tourist-visa-law-to-change-for-63-countries.html
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We were told verbally that the visa rules have changed and, as the wording says, people are now free to visit for up to 90 days in any 180 days.
As I said yesterday, they were told nothing about renewing after the 90 days, just that "real" tourists have 180 days to use their 90 days. Everything stated after that in FT is their take on it.
Someone needs to ask the authorities the specfic question "can the visa be renewed once the 90 days are used?" and before someone says why don't I do it, I'm on residency, let someone who it affects do it.
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Surely the message is no,once your 90 days is up you have to leave for 90 days.
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I did forget to say the price for 1 year visa is 430 gbp isn't it funny they put up the prices for pertmit recently prob knowing this was going to happen.
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so in theory then, you could come for a week, then return for the last 83 days of your visa and then get a new one, effectively giving you a 173 day stay?
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Don't know if this has been posted yet...
http://www.landoflights.net/local-news/visa-hop-to-stop-watch-this-space-4528.html
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so reading that H it would seem that if a person came on holiday at easter for two weeks they could then come back in the summer so long as they were within the 180 days from the start of the visa entry date. is that correct as if so thats fine for me although I see the queques getting through airport system will lenghten. what a waste of time. if the turks want or need extra cash in they should sack a few/ or alot government people.
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I would just like to say that I have just been on the Antalya consulate website the price for a year Residence permit is 370 pounds unless of course Vonny is taking into account the etc such as photo copies photos etc.
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Originally posted by saoirse
so in theory then, you could come for a week, then return for the last 83 days of your visa and then get a new one, effectively giving you a 173 day stay?
I don't think so - you can only stay 90 days in any 180 and then would not be allowed a new visa until a further 90 days have passed. Within the 180 days you could come and go as many times as you like until you have used up 90 days.
That's how I read it anyway.
Good for the 'two weekers' twice a year but not for those living there on tourist visas.
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but if thats the case then why have a 180 day period on the visa?
The system you are describing is 90 days out of ANY previous 180
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How I read it was that your visa lasts for 180 days but you can only be in the country for 90 days within that 180. Once you have used up your 90 days you must leave for 90 days before you can return again - or if the 180 days are up (say for example that you use your last 7 days in the last week of your 180) then you should be able to go out and come back in for another 90 days in the next 180.
So technically if you come and go as you please within the 180 day period and only use your allowed 90 days then you would have been out of the country for 90 days within your 180 day period. If you stay the whole 90 days in a row then you would have to leave until your 180 days have expired - ie 90 days.
Make sense?
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but if its a max of 90 days during the 180 day period of the visa, and doesnt say when during that period the 90 must be used, whats to stop you taking 7 at the outset, followed by 83 at the end
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Nothing but you would still only have been in the country 90 days out of 180. That's what they want I think. 90days in and 90 days out in any 180 day period.
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but thats exactly the crux of my query
is it ANY 180 day period or the 180 day period of the visa-big difference
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The price is what was in the Fethiye times article today but apart from that i do not know the price.
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Stoop I agree with you in that my understanding is that overall you must spend 90 days out of Turkey in every 180 day period. With the first 2 visas you could spend 179 consecutive days in the country. By getting a visa on day one and leaving then coming back 89 days prior to the end of the 180 day period and then getting a further visa which would allow you the next 90 days. Whatever way you do it you have to spend 90 days out of the country.
If you live permanently or visit for long periods then it has to be residency.A number of people that I know are really being hard done by this change as they come in May and leave in October.They will either have to cut their holidays shorter or buy residency.
The impact of recent changes will have a major impact on the economy both in terms of existing expats and potential new expats. If changes were made to the house purchase process to ensuring everyone who purchases a property has residency then I existing fragile housing market will totally collapse. This combined with the change in the car buying process will have serious consequences for the economy of Fethiye which is reliant very much on the foreign community.
The new rules are more beneficial to tourists who may come twice a year as they have only to purchase one visit.
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After your 90 visa days have expired you have two choices either leave Turkey or submit an application for residency. It appears that you can stay in Turkey during the process of obtaining your residency even though your visa has expired. I assume that your residency will be dated from the date of application and not receipt? I feel unless something is done to speed up the process and not forgetting that 63 different Countries are involved it could take a considerable amount of time. A long time without your passport at hand could also cause other difficulties in cases of emergency?
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In Istanbul if you apply for a residence you are without your passport for one day. The whole process takes up to 5 working days. Maybe the other emniyets should take a look at the Istanbul system as they process many many more residences then any other province.
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Relatively ages ago it was announced that this was all to be processed entirely in Fethiye. Now an influx from the citizens of 68 countries is expected, I bet those plans are no closer :-\
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Originally posted by saoirse
but thats exactly the crux of my query
is it ANY 180 day period or the 180 day period of the visa-big difference
I think your passport is stamped with a 180 day visa and you must not stay more than 90 days on that particular stamp.
So - you have to be out of the country for at least 90 days whilst that stamp is in force on your passport.
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I see
so my scenario of if you go for a week in mid Jan you cannot have a 3 week holiday there in July is correct
Total madness-what other regular holiday destinations are there where you have to get the calendar out to see if you are allowed back for a summer break!
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Well you can't disagree with that. This seemed like a good deal for holidaymakers when it was first announced but as we delve in more it does seem to be exposing great potential problems ahead. We've all flown into Dalaman before, how on Earth will a first timer know anything about this or it's implications if they return later in the year?
We've been discussing it for weeks and between us we can't really work it all out :-\
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I stongly believe that anyone who owns property and resides here for MOST/ALL of the year should take out the legally required Residence.
But what I do believe should happen is that after a 5 year residence has been completed we should be entitled to certain benefits such as a reduction in residence charges....a reduction in Medical Bills and a right to work in certain jobs connected with the tourist trade
Being able to work legally would generate more Tax's give a better holiday experience to tourists and bring much needed money into Turkey...It would also flush out all the people who are illegally working taking the money and contributing nothing at the expense of people that do.
Take away the cost of renewing a visa every 90 days from the total of a years residence and it doesn't seem quite so much extra to pay...but I do feel that the timing has been planned just as the residency as increased over 50% and if as some people imply it is only aimed at us Brits..then isn't that discrimination.
Ian
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seems pretty clear to me the change is designed to stop the visa rat runs to meis etc and make residents get residency.
the passport police in fethiye are gearing up for the influx of applications and the rush has started already. they are even building a new annex next to their office for the increase in work load.
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Nowhere has any official stated that you have to have 90 days out of the country. It says 90 days in 180. Very few "real tourists" spend 90 days straight off, although they do pay for 90 days, so could this be for "real tourists" to get a better deal to use their 90 days and when you have used your 90 days you can apply for a new visa. Where does it say you can't apply for a new visa until after the 180 days?
Could this also be the reason no advance notice is given as it doesn't really affect anybody, just gives "real tourists" a better deal.
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Ok Stuart it's designed to stop the visa runs, we get that - but what happens to the first time visitor in May who returns with a still valid visa in November (to see her Turkish waiter boyfriend of course) and is stamped through (due to 180 day visa still being valid) but unknown to her and unspecified to passport control, it runs out 4 days after she arrives, and she is over for a week?
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It is stamped with a 90 day visa,
but clearly states only 90 days out of 180
get a visa stay 20 days go out of Turkey for 2 months (60days)
Return, buy another visa (The second visa is for 90 days) but you have used up 20days therefore you can stay for 70 days (or any amount lower than) or 14days and return return again upto the allocated days remaining on the 2nd visa.
Enter Turkey 90day visa (stamped 90days out of 180)
holiday stay 21days
21days = 69days left out of 180
return for another holiday 2months later (your 1st visa has only approx 7 days left to run,
buy 2nd visa on entry, you now have a total of 69days out of you 180 remaining.
You still have to buy a 2nd visa, the first visa is not valid for 180day, it is only stating that out of 180days you have 90days.
saoirse:
you come out on 15th January, for 1 week you have 83 days left (out of a possible 180.
You come again in July buy a visa (£10) you can have your 21 days no problem, you have 83 days left from your January visa, and your new one will start again with 90 days from July.
It is a mess, A Turkish friend phoned the consulate, the explanation is as I have described.
(Still a complete Farce, for people who have a property and want to holiday for long stints yet are not resident of Turkey.
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Ian.. after 5 years residency you can take the citizenship exam..pass it then you can work.\pay into the national nhs. no more residency fees etc etc/
think seriously about starting up turkish lessons in your establishment this winter. as am sure there will be a lot more people about with an incentive to learn to speak turkish..lol
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quote:
Originally posted by loz
get a visa stay 20 days go out of Turkey for 2 months (60days)
Return, buy another visa
Can you buy another visa though? You appear to be 100 days early?
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you still have to purchase a 90 day visa for the 2nd run, you visa will not last 180days, only you 90 days out of 180,
you can only stay for a maximum of 90days out of 180.
You are not just buying a 1st visa for £10 and having is for the full 180days, it is as it says on the web a 90day visa.
EDIT:
To make matters worse:
Officials have told my Turkish contact that you still need to purchase a 2nd visa.
Fethiye Times official has told them that they will only need 1 visa.
Talk about right and left arms.
What is the saying "TIT" This Is Turkey. Welcome...lol
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You assume
;)
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Nobody wants to understand my post, they just want to carry on scaremongering. ;)
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I do not personally know anyone who has passed their citizenship exam. Have had some friends apply two and three times with no success. Their Turkish was very good. Does anyone have friends that have passed??
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So its the same as its always been then[?]
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quote:
Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
Nobody wants to understand my post, they just want to carry on scaremongering. ;)
It's typical that there are two ways to take it and nobody in officialdom steps forward to clarify and put the whole thing to bed, which would take about a minute.
I personally think you are right Baz but Selo doesn't and he knows more about visas than me and indeed perhaps even you ;)
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Because he heard it from an estate agent travel agent:D
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quote:
Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
Because he heard it from an estate agent travel agent:D
With all due respect, if my livelihood was entirely taking people on visa runs in my boat that cost me a bloody fortune, I'd want to learn a little more about what is ahead than what a local travel agent told me!!!
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Baz,I think it could be as simple as you've said, its to benefit tourism,it entitles visitors to come to Turkey for a period and stay for a total of 90 days in any 180 days not as,at present 90 days, they have simply extended the validity of the visa.
We await confirmation from officialdom
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Just to add another negative for tourist company's, what about all the holiday reps 90 in 90 out[?] do not think so do you ;)[?]
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Beats the recent "90 days in, banned for 5 years" policy ;)
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:D 8) ;)
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The British Embassy site has information, again it is only verbal, so could be interesting to watch "their space"
http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-turkey/visitors-who-overstay
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So the passport stamp still shows 90 days but you must not use more than those days within 180 days from that stamp.
If you arrive after 170 days with only 10 days left on your visa but have not stayed more than 80 days then you would be allowed in but would need to purchase another 90 day visa if you want to stay longer than 10 days.
So when does the 180 days start for the second visa? After the original one runs out in 10 days or immediately?
I can see some big arguments at passport control.
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So the British Embassy join in the scaremongering on their site. Why didn't they just say something "enquiries have been made to the Turkish Government we await a reply to clarify the position" instead of putting hearsay on the web site.
Oh! and they heard it from a policeman, must be right then:(
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An article that explains it well:
http://talkaboutturkey.blogspot.com/2010/07/turkish-visa-changes-could-mean-extra.html
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quote:
Originally posted by stoop
I can see some big arguments at passport control.
I had a bit of an argument the last time I came through Dalaman with an old 90 day visa - that is if you can have an argument conducted entirely through shoulder shrugging and finger pointing. Having had a week in Istanbul in May I did not need another visa for our June holiday. The passport control guy went through my passport four times and couldn't find a new stamp. So he gave it back to me shaking his head and pointing back to the Visa point. I handed it back pointing at the May visa. He peered at it closely and then at me, and then, finally, and reluctantly, put a stamp on it.
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quote:
Originally posted by stoop
An article that explains it well:
http://talkaboutturkey.blogspot.com/2010/07/turkish-visa-changes-could-mean-extra.html
No, that's an article that makes assumptions and guesses like the rest of us.
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So the UK embassy web site, has only been told orally,and are awaiting conformation of a law that effects UK citizens on holiday in Turkey, it really does take the biscuit, as scunner said this should be confirmed or denied in a matter of mins,its either law or its not.
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quote:
An article that explains it well
http://talkaboutturkey.blogspot.com/2010/07/turkish-visa-changes-could-mean-extra.html
And the official source was, oh!! it's a copy of what is in Fethiye Times, again must be right:(
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Come on guys. If the British Embassy have posted it on their site there must be some substance to this. I think it's a little more than scaremongering or a rumour started in a bar.
Time will tell and if it happens it will be good for those that only do a couple of trips a year. We normally go June/Sept so it would be ideal for us. For those that live there without residency - well the tourist visa was never meant for that was it?
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The main question is nothing to do with people living in Turkey without residency, or people who only do a couple of trips a year. The question is, can you buy another before the first has expired. With that answer, all questions are answered. It is still totally cloudy for the holidaymaker who returns to Dalaman just inside the 180 days but will depart just outside.
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Two disclaimers on the same article, but we must beleive it eh! stoop.
The only thing concrete at the moment is that there is a 90 day in 180 day visa. All the rest might have come from a bar on the seafront where a couple of guys were having a quiet drink and didn't know what to talk about.:D
Please note that as yet this information has only been given to the British Embassy orally. We urgently are seeking clarification from the Turkish Government. New information will be posted here when we have it.
Disclaimer: Please note that this information was provided by the Turkish Security Police Directorate (Foreigners Department). Although we do our best to ensure that the content is correct, we cannot take responsibility for Turkey's immigration policy or the application of it. If you have further queries, please contact the relevant Turkish Foreigners Police Department in the area where you reside.
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The main question is nothing to do with people living in Turkey without residency, or people who only do a couple of trips a year. The question is, can you buy another before the first has expired. With that answer, all questions are answered. It is still totally cloudy for the holidaymaker who returns to Dalaman just inside the 180 days but will depart just outside.
Thats basically what I said about 10 pages ago ;)
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Hi everyone. Can anybody help please. I came in on the 17th May, intending to stay until late October. I now don't know what I can or can't do. Because my Passport has the old style visa, does this mean I can go to Meis or Rhodes one time....i.e.....in the next couple of weeks, returning with the new style Visa or do I have return to England after the 90 days? In other words, is it only people who came in on and after 14th July who are affected by this change? Many thanks in advance for any advice.
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Originally posted by Scunner
The main question is nothing to do with people living in Turkey without residency, or people who only do a couple of trips a year. The question is, can you buy another before the first has expired. With that answer, all questions are answered. It is still totally cloudy for the holidaymaker who returns to Dalaman just inside the 180 days but will depart just outside.
Well the answer to that has to be YES otherwise some people who have not used up their 90 days will not be allowed back into the country or might outstay their visa allowance. How it will be policed will be the problem as far as I can see.
We are going round in a circle here so the best thing is to just wait and see what happens. Unless someone knows where to get the official answer from (without disclaimers).
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Originally posted by koukla
Hi everyone. Can anybody help please. I came in on the 17th May, intending to stay until late October. I now don't know what I can or can't do. Because my Passport has the old style visa, does this mean I can go to Meis or Rhodes one time....i.e.....in the next couple of weeks, returning with the new style Visa or do I have return to England after the 90 days? In other words, is it only people who came in on and after 14th July who are affected by this change? Many thanks in advance for any advice.
God knows!
Sorry I have no idea.
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well Stoop going by the "info" guarded though it is, on the UK govt website the answer is a firm NO. One would have to wait until after the 180 days to get a new visa-making my farcical example of 1 week mid Jan means no 3 week holiday in July correct!
what a way to attract tourists and especially repeat tourists
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Look at the Fethiye Times this week. It tells all!!!
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For God's sake, NO IT DOESN'T
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quote:
Originally posted by koukla
Hi everyone. Can anybody help please. I came in on the 17th May, intending to stay until late October. I now don't know what I can or can't do. Because my Passport has the old style visa, does this mean I can go to Meis or Rhodes one time....i.e.....in the next couple of weeks, returning with the new style Visa or do I have return to England after the 90 days? In other words, is it only people who came in on and after 14th July who are affected by this change? Many thanks in advance for any advice.
As the new rule did not start till after the 17th of july, one would assume that all visa's issued before that date are valid as stamped in your passport and the 180 day rule should not apply. The 180 day rule came in after the 17th July any visa that is stamped with the old 90 day visa after that date needs clarification. I would assume that that there should be no problem renewing your visa if the old one is dated before 17th july, but this is Turkey and clarification is required.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
The main question is nothing to do with people living in Turkey without residency, or people who only do a couple of trips a year. The question is, can you buy another before the first has expired. With that answer, all questions are answered. It is still totally cloudy for the holidaymaker who returns to Dalaman just inside the 180 days but will depart just outside.
I would think that if you arrived with a week or so left on your 180 day visa (not having used your 90 days)and you could prove that you had a return flight booked after it's expiry date that they would give you the new visa.
It probably would depend on wether the customs officer was in a good mood or not!!!! 8)
Another thing that has to be clarified - people have been receiving the new style visa for a couple of months now do the new rules apply from the date it was given or from the "official" date - July 14th?
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Yes possibly, but since when has the rules of entry to and exit from a country been based on the mood of a passport checker?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mrs Bouquet
Look at the Fethiye Times this week. It tells all!!!
I was looking for help......not rudeness!!!
Thank you to all who have tried their best to help me! The rules clearly are NOT clear!
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Thats what we love about Turkey,the weather and the fact everything is unclear,
even when its clear.
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quote:
Originally posted by koukla
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs Bouquet
Look at the Fethiye Times this week. It tells all!!!
I was looking for help......not rudeness!!!
Thank you to all who have tried their best to help me! The rules clearly are NOT clear!
I agree - that reply doesn't help anyone and especially as the Fethiye Times article DOESN'T tell all. Not a helpful response at all.
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Does anyone know if there is a list of places posted on here you have to go in Fethiye to complete the application?
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for any other Irish considering Res Permits prices are
1 year 647tl
2 years 1269tl
3 years 1890tl
4 years 2512tl
5 years 3134tl
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Originally posted by Scunner
Yes possibly, but since when has the rules of entry to and exit from a country been based on the mood of a passport checker?
sometimes depends on how individual authorities interpret the law.
i had a friend, nice old boy lived in kaya for many years, sadly now deceased, he loved his english car and used to take it out of the country for six months at a time leave it in greece then bring it back to turkey for 6 months. he was told at marmaris to get a residency permit as he wasnt a tourist, he dutyfully did.
i was with him the next time he picked his car up from kos. when we got back to maramaris he was told he wasnt a tourist, didnt have tourist rights and they gave him two days to get his car out of the country for good.
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Originally posted by saoirse
for any other Irish considering Res Permits prices are
1 year 647tl
2 years 1269tl
3 years 1890tl
4 years 2512tl
5 years 3134tl
Ah, but this is for Southern Ireland or persons holding a Southern Ireland passport.
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Yes Loz, also known as "Irish" lol
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Just to clear up the point about the Irish passport. This could equally apply to those from Northern Ireland as under the Irish constitution anyone in Northern Ireland has the right to an Irish passport.Equally anyone from the UK who has an Irish parent can also qualify for an Irish passport as they are entitled to dual nationality. Before anyone goes off on one you may hold an Irish passport or a UK passport but not both. So you cannot have 180 days on each passport.
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quote:
Originally posted by loz
quote:
Originally posted by saoirse
for any other Irish considering Res Permits prices are
1 year 647tl
2 years 1269tl
3 years 1890tl
4 years 2512tl
5 years 3134tl
Ah, but this is for Southern Ireland or persons holding a Southern Ireland passport.
there is no such thing as a Southern Ireland passport
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My partner and i have lived here for two years.The first year we had residency the past year we have done visa runs.On our first year i went to a turkcell shop to buy a 5tl sim card,i was told they needed my passport.I only had a copy of it on me which they wouldn't accept so i showed my residency book to be told no thats no good we need your passport.
As i know you need residency to buy a car what is the point of spending all that money if i couldn't use it to buy a 5tl sim card
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So does anybody know the correct price for residency ,because we are being given different prices everywhere ?
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Kim, its 40 pound for the 1st month and 30 pound for every month you apply for after that, plus 138ytl for a little blue book (worth about 3 pence) according to the UK embassy web site,residency fees for 2010.
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thanks alot thats what we were quoated
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Have just been told I cannot apply for a Residency Visa until two weeks before the existing tourist visa expires but that the Visa and passport will be back in 3-4 weeks time which means we cannot leave the country and has bu**erd up flights which had been booked to replace non existant KTHY Flights. I am 99% sure when we took out our original residency we started the process as soon as we arrived on a tourist visa and did not have to wait until two weeks before it expired.:(
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Perhaps it is to stop a rush of applicants all at once - could this be forward thinking?
Have to say not impressed with the British Embassy remarks - thought they were in place to help us foreigners receive correct information:
Quoted from website:
Disclaimer: Please note that this information was provided by the Turkish Security Police Directorate (Foreigners Department). Although we do our best to ensure that the content is correct, we cannot take responsibility for Turkey's immigration policy or the application of it. If you have further queries, please contact the relevant Turkish Foreigners Police Department in the area where you reside.
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You're right Brian. When we moved here we also applied for residency straight away, we didn't have to wait till the last 2 weeks of the tourist visa. What a pain in the a** about your flights:(
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Originally posted by Denise40
Perhaps it is to stop a rush of applicants all at once - could this be forward thinking?
Have to say not impressed with the British Embassy remarks - thought they were in place to help us foreigners receive correct information:
Quoted from website:
Disclaimer: Please note that this information was provided by the Turkish Security Police Directorate (Foreigners Department). Although we do our best to ensure that the content is correct, we cannot take responsibility for Turkey's immigration policy or the application of it. If you have further queries, please contact the relevant Turkish Foreigners Police Department in the area where you reside.
They can only report on the information they have received from the Turkish authorities. Would you rather they said nothing at all?
Obviously they have to put the disclaimer on otherwise they would leave themselves wide open to the UK blame and claim culture.
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I was just under the impression this was the one place we would receive clear and definate information.
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Originally posted by tribalelder
Have just been told I cannot apply for a Residency Visa until two weeks before the existing tourist vsa expires.:(
Who told you this as we have contacted several agencies doing visa application & none have said this.We were also told it is done in Fethiye now taking 3-4 weeks & also told done in Mugla, collect in person 7-10 days do who is correct.
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Mrkeith if you look under Residency Application Assistance I have put details of how to go about going to police stations and government offices for your residency (post on the 26th of April).I have also put on there the documents you need to have copies of.
We did the application ourselves in 2007 and I am not aware of any changes to the system.
There is a charge at the PTT for the residency booklet which is also something you have to have the cash for,not only the residency fee ritself.
You need 10 passport photographs
3 copies of your passport photo page
2 copies of the page where your last tourist visa is located
(2 for the passport police and 2 for the Muhtar)
Make sure that you have enough time left on your passport for the number of years residence you want otherwise you may only get the number of years left on your passport.
1 copy of your passport photo page
1 copy of your bank statement or pension statement to prove that you have enough money to live in Turkey.
1 copy of your deed/tapu or rental contract.
Your passport
Cash for residency and also for the visa book itself which in 2007 was 70lira plus a small fee.
Your existing residence permit if renewing.
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small book is 138 lira now. Also rules differ from province to province. Also you do not need a tapu or lease.
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Starman sorry to disagree but when we appiled for residency they insisted on a copy of the Tapu. I remember it well because I had to o back to the house to get it.
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This application was for Ovacik area which I would think would be much the same as most of Fethiye.We were given to understand that the visit to the Muhtar was to register that you live in your property if you have not done so already.If you have already registered with the Muhtar it may not be necessary to have your tapu or rental agreement but I would still take it as a precaution.(I am not surprised at the increase in the fee at the PTT!)
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Kevinb....this information was given by Ataktranslation and yes it is being done in Fethiye....... As you rightly say it takes 3-4 weeks but as you can only start the process 2 weeks before your old Tourist visa expires you are then in limbo for a couple of weeks afterwards which is where I get caught on my flights!:(
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So, if you have the new-type visa does that mean two weeks before the first 90 days are up, or the 180 days?
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Originally posted by tribalelder
Kevinb....this information was given by Ataktranslation and yes it is being done in Fethiye....... As you rightly say it takes 3-4 weeks but as you can only start the process 2 weeks before your old Tourist visa expires you are then in limbo for a couple of weeks afterwards which is where I get caught on my flights!:(
I was told by one company you can request your passport back from Police for emergency travel like hospital appointment or for family death in UK.
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When we renewed last year we needed out tabu and we were already register with the Muhtar. We also needed another photocopy of his registration. I know things cam change Year to Year but it seems like you have to prove more and more on each registration although you have proved it the year before.
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Neither of which apply in my case Fortunately :)Your passport is not much use if you do not have a valid visa stamp in it which in my case It would have expired and I would not yet have the Residency visa:(
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Can I ask a question people talk about a Residence Permit and a Residence Visa are the the same? different? Please enlighten me.
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Same.
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different.
residence visa you get from the consulate and it gets stamped in your passport. Biggest con the consulate has going because once you have it, you have 30 days to apply for a residence permit once in Turkey and fork out loads of money again.
Residence permit is the little blue book with all your details otherwise known as an ikamet tezkeresi.
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
Starman sorry to disagree but when we appiled for residency they insisted on a copy of the Tapu. I remember it well because I had to o back to the house to get it.
We processed nearly 3500 residence permits in 2009, out of 3500 (three thousand five hundred) maybe 2 of them was with a tapu and none with a rental lease.
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Why did the Muhtar insist on proof of address and the tapu when we applied then? He never charged us for his services.
Also I would like to mention that I was told that once you have residency if you change address or marry,divorce or die the authorities want to be notified . Probably there are fines incurred if you do not tell them.
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Just been on the Meis trip today with friends who were doing the visa run, they were given the usual 90 day visa and told they can go back to renew as usual in 90 days time, I have residency so didnt get a stamp personally
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quote:
Originally posted by Julesp
Just been on the Meis trip today with friends who were doing the visa run, they were given the usual 90 day visa and told they can go back to renew as usual in 90 days time, I have residency so didnt get a stamp personally
This could prompt another 30+ pages of posts!
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quote:
Originally posted by amca
quote:
Originally posted by Julesp
Just been on the Meis trip today with friends who were doing the visa run, they were given the usual 90 day visa and told they can go back to renew as usual in 90 days time, I have residency so didnt get a stamp personally
This could prompt another 30+ pages of posts!
I know!! Thats why I posted it, It is all true though:D
But when friends asked on the way over the boat captain originally said they wouldnt be able to do again without the 90 day away rule. But when he handed passports back at the end of the trip he looked at the visas and just said Its Ok for you to come back in 90 days, so looks like no one knows whats going on!
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Originally posted by Daffodil
Why did the Muhtar insist on proof of address and the tapu when we applied then? He never charged us for his services.
Also I would like to mention that I was told that once you have residency if you change address or marry,divorce or die the authorities want to be notified . Probably there are fines incurred if you do not tell them.
Correct, you do have to change your status within 15 days. Fine is neither here nor there though. You may have to go the muhtar route in Fethiye but most provinces, the muhtar doesnt want to know about the foreigners living in the area and they do not take any registrations from them. This is how it works in Istanbul, Izmir, Bursa, Kocaeli, Samsun, Sakarya, Ankara, Antalya and Tekirdag which are all the provinces we have done residence permits in.
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Just done meis visa trip today, same as julesp, stamps and stickers the same as last four, told when we picked up passports see you in october. also told people will know if all this scaremongering is true when meis express stops doing runs and there is something from official governing bodies, have to say im quite surprised at my fellow forum members falling for bar effes chit chat. lol
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How is it Efes chit chat? I have scanned and posted the new 90/180 visa in this topic. It isn't rumour, it's in the passport.
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Well....there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer so do I try the Meis trip or just bog off back home????
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Well I'd say that in the absence of a definitive answer if it were me, I'd be on my way to Meis to get one of the remaining original 90 day visas.
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One quick question Des, you say they are the same as the other four, are the visa stamps in Euros or sterling?
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The visas were I think in sterling and same as the old 90 day entry visas of the last few years but I didnt buy one myself so cant double check. But definately people were told no probs for October
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Returned from a Rhodes trip yesterday and was informed at Fethiye passport control that visa lasted for 90 days then you had to leave the country for 90 days.Was also informed that this ruling officially came into effect 2days ago.Did do a posting on this a short while ago but it appears to have been swallowed in cyberspace. 8)
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OMG....this just gets worse and worse. I have people conimg to stay here with me in August and September, all booked and paid for and now I don't know if I go to Meis, whether the Visa I get will be actually worth the sticker it's written on. If they sudenly change their minds I could be fined and/or deported. I'm recovering from a long illness....this is not helping!![?]
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BMO6 all sterling, no problem at all.
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Thanks Des.
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Originally posted by koukla
OMG....this just gets worse and worse. I have people conimg to stay here with me in August and September, all booked and paid for and now I don't know if I go to Meis, whether the Visa I get will be actually worth the sticker it's written on. If they sudenly change their minds I could be fined and/or deported. I'm recovering from a long illness....this is not helping!![?]
Do'nt wish to upset you any more than you are,but when your current visa runs out you cannot renew your visa at Meis,you have to leave the country for 90 days,its 90 in 90 out.Sorry if I sound so blunt,its going to hit a lot of people hard,and cause all sorts of problems.
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Like Busybee(posted 20 July)I would be interested to hear from anyone who has applied for Citizenship & what exactly is involved.When my current Residency Visa expires in December,I will have lived in Turkey for 6 years.As the prices for renewal have doubled,if possible I would rather apply for Citizenship,I class Turkey as my home now & I think this is the way forward.I travel all over Turkey in my campervan & can usually get by with the language.It's OK getting by like this but sitting in front of a panel of officials is something else.Any replies would be gratefully appreciated.
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has anyone thought of getting another duplicate passport having "lost the main one" that way good with good timing still do the Kas trip or better still rhodes, someone else may have already mentioned this put my life is to short to wade though 37 pages
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http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/travel-advice/travel-advice-turkey?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4 This is from the UK embassy site dated today updated on the 17/7/2010.
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If I get a visa end of july stay for 4 weeks return back to uk then come back to turkey at the end of october for 1 week will I be refused entry?
because I am still confused.......that means that my 90 day visa would have expired.
so, does that mean that I have to spend 90 days out of Turkey before returning even though I have only had 28 days holiday. sorry but I am hearing conflicting answers :-\
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Originally posted by c1
has anyone thought of getting another duplicate passport having "lost the main one" that way good with good timing still do the Kas trip or better still rhodes, someone else may have already mentioned this put my life is to short to wade though 37 pages
I can't believe thats a serious question C1. If caught you won't need to worry about getting back into Turkey within your 180 days because you would probably be locked up for them.
I am sure that the immigration chaps will soon be on to you on entry to both Turkey and the UK.
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Hi everyone - im new to the forum. We are looking at buying and moving to Fethiye later this year after falling in love with the place. I must say im a little confused by the visa. Does anybody know how much the different visas are? We were looking at buying an investment visa. Also, while im on here has anybody recently moved to Turkey? Bought a business or creating one? Would be really grateful if anyone has experiences to share.
Thankyou in advance
Debbie
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I'd be interested to know what an investment visa is? I'm not sure I've heard of anything called that in all my time out there...
My advice on buying a business or creating one is...don't!
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I second that!!
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Originally posted by Scunner
I'd be interested to know what an investment visa is? I'm not sure I've heard of anything called that in all my time out there...
My advice on buying a business or creating one is...don't!
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I think it depends on the business... some work.. some dont.
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We must leave this topic to return to the visa topic but it's maybe a good new topic - 'Businesses in Turkey involving British owners that are successful and didn't turn anyone over'. I guarantee it won't get to 37 pages long like this one :D
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Originally posted by koukla
OMG....this just gets worse and worse. I have people conimg to stay here with me in August and September, all booked and paid for and now I don't know if I go to Meis, whether the Visa I get will be actually worth the sticker it's written on. If they sudenly change their minds I could be fined and/or deported. I'm recovering from a long illness....this is not helping!![?]
koukla, it will depend on which of the visa stickers you currently have in your passport. If it is of the old type, I think you will be able to get one more tourist visa but if it is one of the new ones (90/180)then you would have to consider applying for residency or going out of Turkey as you approach the 90 days quota.
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A friend of mine checked her passport yesterday after i sent here the many links to the visa saga and she entered Turkey 30th May 2010 at Dalaman and has the 180 Visa Sticker....Needless to say she is livid as she does not live here but comes for many holidays and has booked and paid for all her flights for 2011...Her visa (the 180th day) runs out in the middle of her holiday in June...Can she do the Meis/Rhodes trip for a new Visa on the 181st day?? :(
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Hi came back from England on the 15th, didnt have the internet for 7 days so when told I posted the news about visa,s on the Uzumlu forum, now had time to read this link... Every country does things for money,so regardless of reasons and whys and wherefores we have no choice, if I want to live here I have to buy residency. Extra money from me as well as paying for a visa will be paying a notary, I could go two ways....either my partner writes me a letter to say I rent off him(as were not married) and then get residency, if the notary dosent except this then we will have to pay a solictor to have my name put on this property as co-owner then I have a tax number then I can buy residency, so it was cheaper in my circumstances to do the Meis run, and its having a knock on effect to cost me more. If thems the rules then thems the rules.
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Ps. Will be seeing Notary on Monday hopefully if hes not too busy with all the extra work so I will give progress report.
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It would seem that the "type" of Visa sticker put into your Passport on arrival in Turkey depends on the when and where your point of entry was.
The post by Vonny Posted - 22 July 2010 : 06:28:49 records the case of an entry into Dalaman on 30th May , and the visa sticker in the passport is the 90 / 180 day variety. For the expiry ( the 180th day ) date of the visa to be in the middle of June it would have to have been issued in December 2009.!
If it is just the expiry of the 90 days allowed (even if used all at once) to be in the middle of June the issue date cannot be later than the middle of March 2010.
If this sticker was put in the passport on the quoted date of entry, there appears to be a mistake in the calculation: the 90 day "allowance" would not be used up before 28th August!
The latest Visa sticker in my passport was placed there yesterday at Kas. It is the old 90 day £10 type.
The boat owner said he would still be doing the Visa runs to Meis in October this year.
I asked the Policeman handling the documentation if I could renew the visa with a run to Meis in early October and he said "yes - why not".
So once again it is a case of " wait and see ".
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Originally posted by vonny
A friend of mine checked her passport yesterday after i sent here the many links to the visa saga and she entered Turkey 30th May 2010 at Dalaman and has the 180 Visa Sticker....Needless to say she is livid as she does not live here but comes for many holidays and has booked and paid for all her flights for 2011...Her visa (the 180th day) runs out in the middle of her holiday in June...Can she do the Meis/Rhodes trip for a new Visa on the 181st day?? :(
Nope. You must leave after 180 days. Your friend would still be in Turkey on day 181. Essentially the only way to renew will require at least 1 overnight stay if you leave on day 180.
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Originally posted by starmanTM
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Originally posted by Daffodil
Why did the Muhtar insist on proof of address and the tapu when we applied then? He never charged us for his services.
Also I would like to mention that I was told that once you have residency if you change address or marry,divorce or die the authorities want to be notified . Probably there are fines incurred if you do not tell them.
Correct, you do have to change your status within 15 days. Fine is neither here nor there though. You may have to go the muhtar route in Fethiye but most provinces, the muhtar doesnt want to know about the foreigners living in the area and they do not take any registrations from them. This is how it works in Istanbul, Izmir, Bursa, Kocaeli, Samsun, Sakarya, Ankara, Antalya and Tekirdag which are all the provinces we have done residence permits in.
I wonder why the muhtar's in the other provinces do not want to know about the foreigners living in the area but they do in Fethiye?
I am surprised you say that if there is a fine it does not matter.I would not like to be fined for something if I could avoid it and many may not know that you have to tell the authorities about change of status.
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It might be worth mentioning that if there are going to be a lot of visa applications then there will probably be a delay in getting your passport back. So, if planning any trips abroad in the future probably good idea to apply earlier rather than later
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with people doing multi entry, I can see longer and longer lines of people at the passport checkin while brain of Turkey works out how long you have stayed how long you are allowed to stay in each and every case. I think this law is a sledge hammer to crack a nut and is there to stop expats miss ? using the old loop hole. UK tax man/ benefits people will be interested in people buying visa's as well.I can't understand the Turkish logic at the moment seems we are geting mixed messages on alot of different fronts.
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My latest feeling is that we may have two visa systems in future - the original one for known rat runs such as Meis & Rhodes and the new one for the likes of Dalaman and Antalya. Before anyone claims this it is not possible, we already have vast differences in the official rules regarding duty free allowances between those two groups - and this may be the way it plays out, in order to make sense of all the ambiguity and keep most arriving travellers content.
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why not just have a simple allowance of 180 days in a 1 year visa-makes permanent residents get res permit yet allows normal tourists and regular visitors ample time here without having to get the calendar out to check the 180 day date.
The current proposals are Basil Fawltys approach to tourism, with winter visitors falling foul of the 180 day rule when they eturn in peak season-crass stupidity
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The wording on the British Embassy site has changed, but they have still only had it "orally".
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what has it changed to diverbaz?
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Sorry, I got it wrong, I was looking at todays date rather than last updated date.
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I contacted the Consulate in London in the hope that I would get something a bit more authoritative than the Meis boatmen.
The Consulate responded this morning ...... I am none the wiser.
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Farmer : I am talking about 2011 she will get a new visa on her return to Turkey Dec 2010 hence the expiry date in the middle of her holiday....... Has the below been posted yet?? I was forwarded this by a friend...
We were advised by Meis Express to campaign against this and email the following to the Minister in the Turkish Government besir.atalay@icisleri.gov.tr with the following
Sayin Bakan
Yeni uygulamaya başlanan vize rejimi biz Türkiye'de yaşamakta olan yüz binlerce yabanciyi dogrudan etkilemektedir. Bir çogumuzun Türkiye'de evleri var bir diger çogunlugumuzun ise uzun vade kiralanmis konutlari söz konusudur.
Bundan başka Türkiye'ye yilda 3-4 hatta daha fazla sayida giriş çikişlar yapan ülkelerimiz insanlari bulunmaktadir.
Herhangi bir uyari yapilmadan aniden başlatilan bu uygulamayi protesto ediyor ve derhal kaldirilmasini talep ediyoruz.
Saygilarimla
Date
Name
Address & Email
Which translates to
New visa regulations are affecing hundreds of thousands of local foreigners who own houses or hold long term rental agreements in Turkey. This also affects those wishing to come to Turkey 3-4 times a year. We protest that these changes were without warning. Please cancel this decision.
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"We protest that these changes were without warning."
I seem to recall this was brought up and posted by someone in April and he was shot down. Also Lance (although I can't find the thread) says he mentioned it even earlier.
{A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}34822
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Originally posted by Daffodil
I wonder why the muhtar's in the other provinces do not want to know about the foreigners living in the area but they do in Fethiye?
I am surprised you say that if there is a fine it does not matter.I would not like to be fined for something if I could avoid it and many may not know that you have to tell the authorities about change of status.
I have never had to register with the muhtar in the 18 years plus I have been living here and have lived in many different places in Turkey including calis although when I lived in Calis it was mainly populated by mating frogs (amphibian variety). Also regarding the fine, I meant in the context it was only a small amount like 20 lira and most of the time they dont enforce it. Also it does state very clearly in black and white and in English about changing status in the back of the RP. Page 23 article 5. I do hope people do read the inside of the book when they receive it to take in all these details.
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I can remember Calis when it was very undeveloped too. It was a lot different from what it is today.The work on the beaches has made a lot of difference and it looks lovely.
We dealt with the Ovacik muhtar as we lived in that village, and on applying for residency we visited him for the KONUTTA KALANLARAAIT KIMLIK BILDIRME BELGESI (FORM 5).This has our photographs on the front of it along with our details and the signature of the muhtar along with an official stamp.On the back are pinned copies of our passport photograph page and also the page showing our last tourist stamp. I understand that this is necessary in the residency process.
I am at present living in a country with mating frogs (of the human kind). They call the Brits the "Roast Bifs".
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Well I say if that they are going to harmonise the visa rules for all 63 countries then they should really do the samething for the residence permit process has every province has different procedures. If they want everyone to get RPs then they should harmonise that.
Sorry to hear about your mating frogs.
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I have a correction to the information supplied by Ataktranslation -they have now updated the information I was previously given. It seems you can apply for Residency at any time in the life of a Tourist Visa but only in the last two weeks of the life of a current Residency. That would seem to solve my problem re flights. Apologies for the misleading info but don't shoot me I was only the messenger :)
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I came to Turkey for a short stay
The sun was shining so I though hey!:D
I will stay for the rest of the year
Drinking lovely Efes beer!
A trip to Greece was a plus
To get a visa was a must!
I don't want to go back after 90 days
So I'm thinking there must be ways!
I am going to apply for that little blue book
Don't think they will let me off the hook!
So I will now become at last legal
Might make me feel rather regal!
No more breaking the law
By coming in through the back door!
They can have my hard earned cash
Hoping I am not being far too rash! :o
In 12 months this all may be clearer
Or the visa cost will be dearer!:(:(
Good luck to everyone hope you get sorted
And no one finds themselves deported! 8)
Cos every thought it was mythological
But its not it just Turkalogical!![^]
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Haha!! Very good!! It has literary merit!
Right so Ive decided to take the trip to Meis but can't find out from Meis Express where they pick up and drop off!!! Does anyone know please??
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
Nowhere has any official stated that you have to have 90 days out of the country. It says 90 days in 180. Very few "real tourists" spend 90 days straight off, although they do pay for 90 days, so could this be for "real tourists" to get a better deal to use their 90 days and when you have used your 90 days you can apply for a new visa. Where does it say you can't apply for a new visa until after the 180 days?
Could this also be the reason no advance notice is given as it doesn't really affect anybody, just gives "real tourists" a better deal.
I hope you're right and then we can stay our usual Apr - June and get a new visa for Sept and October
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Originally posted by Scunner
My latest feeling is that we may have two visa systems in future - the original one for known rat runs such as Meis & Rhodes and the new one for the likes of Dalaman and Antalya. Before anyone claims this it is not possible, we already have vast differences in the official rules regarding duty free allowances between those two groups - and this may be the way it plays out, in order to make sense of all the ambiguity and keep most arriving travellers content.
absolutely spot on keith, i spotted that days ago, thats why i renewed visa (meis) 3 weeks early than i had to, so they could sort it out in all official departments.
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Originally posted by lizdev
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
Nowhere has any official stated that you have to have 90 days out of the country. It says 90 days in 180. Very few "real tourists" spend 90 days straight off, although they do pay for 90 days, so could this be for "real tourists" to get a better deal to use their 90 days and when you have used your 90 days you can apply for a new visa. Where does it say you can't apply for a new visa until after the 180 days?
Could this also be the reason no advance notice is given as it doesn't really affect anybody, just gives "real tourists" a better deal.
I hope you're right and then we can stay our usual Apr - June and get a new visa for Sept and October
Not much point of even mentioning 180 days if you can get a new 90 day visa as soon as the last one runs out.
As I see it the new rules will allow you to stay 6 months of the year (2x90 days in 2 separate 180 day periods). If you want to stay any longer I think you will need residency.
At the moment I think its possible that the different points of entry have not been supplied with the new information (maybe even the actual stamps) but I think this will change sooner rather than later.
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A message from my daughter via email today who is a Turkish citizen by marriage, I asked her just to make a few phone calls to see if she could get further infor and this is her reply, although not sure about the last bit about solicitor:-
Right then, bit of a wild goose chase.....
Spoke to someone at the embassy who says it is correct for the new rules and that you must apply for residency before your 90 day visa runs out.
Then spoke to someone at the Ankara Consulate who wasn't sure and said she thought that had always been the case and that you would have to get residence anyway but she gave me another number to call and that is : 0090 312 412 3248.
Now i have tried that number and it just rings off so perhaps you could try in the morning there as maybe its not open all day or something.
But over all it looks like you have to do it. But everywhere i have read it STRONGLY suggests that you should speak to a solicitor and pay them to do it for you as they will get it cheaper and easier than trying yourself. This is because as you know rules change from day to day.
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A 3 Month Tourist Visa is what it says A 3 month Tourist Visa, to reside here it is law that you apply for Residency. Cant see what the fuss is about really, surely before coming to live in a Foreign country you would have done your homework.
Methinks if these new rules come about they are just closing the loopholes in the system, imagine the uproar in the Uk if foreigners could just take 30 min boat trip then return for new cheap visa and stay for 3 months: :)
And Im not talking about illegals or europeans in Uk Thats another topic
quote]Originally posted by Denise40
Spoke to someone at the embassy who says it is correct for the new rules and that you must apply for residency before your 90 day visa runs out.
Then spoke to someone at the Ankara Consulate who wasn't sure and said she thought that had always been the case and that you would have to get residence anyway but she gave me another number to call and that is : 0090 312 412 3248.
Now i have tried that number and it just rings off so perhaps you could try in the morning there as maybe its not open all day or something.
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It isn't just about the 1- 5 years residency if you are actually living here for good and you know Turkey is your home but lots of people have enjoyed coming to their holiday homes for a few months in the year, these people are not residents but could now find it difficult to come over whenever they wanted. And everyones situation differs from the amount of time they spend here and may be effected finanically with these new rules!
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Originally posted by Denise40
It isn't just about the 1- 5 years residency if you are actually living here for good and you know Turkey is your home but lots of people have enjoyed coming to their holiday homes for a few months in the year, these people are not residents but could now find it difficult to come over whenever they wanted. And everyones situation differs from the amount of time they spend here and may be effected finanically with these new rules!
Nothing in the new rules(assuming what we know is correct) will stop home owners from staying a few months a year and coming and going within their limits. They have based this on 360 days (one year give or take a day or two). 180 days is 6 months and in those two periods you can stay a maximum of 90 days per period (90x2 = 180 days = 6 months).
I agree it might cause a problem for those who want to stay for say May June July and August as this would mean they would have to leave the country sometime in July or early August as they would have used up their 90 days. If the rules are as we think they would not be allowed back until their 180 days have passed which would be October sometime.
In my view a better method would have been to have each year as a stand alone 365 days and no matter when you first arrive you have a maximum of 180 days before you have to leave - but it must be before the end of that calendar year.
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by Denise40
It isn't just about the 1- 5 years residency if you are actually living here for good and you know Turkey is your home but lots of people have enjoyed coming to their holiday homes for a few months in the year, these people are not residents but could now find it difficult to come over whenever they wanted. And everyones situation differs from the amount of time they spend here and may be effected finanically with these new rules!
Nothing in the new rules(assuming what we know is correct) will stop home owners from staying a few months a year and coming and going within their limits. They have based this on 360 days (one year give or take a day or two). 180 days is 6 months and in those two periods you can stay a maximum of 90 days per period (90x2 = 180 days = 6 months).
I agree it might cause a problem for those who want to stay for say May June July and August as this would mean they would have to leave the country sometime in July or early August as they would have used up their 90 days. If the rules are as we think they would not be allowed back until their 180 days have passed which would be October sometime.
In my view a better method would have been to have each year as a stand alone 365 days and no matter when you first arrive you have a maximum of 180 days before you have to leave - but it must be before the end of that calendar year.
RUBBISH
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If you really want to come and go as you please without residency It is possible to buy multiple entry tourists visas from UK for 1 year More money But hey!!What does anyone expect for a tenner these days
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Originally posted by desmartinson
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by Denise40
It isn't just about the 1- 5 years residency if you are actually living here for good and you know Turkey is your home but lots of people have enjoyed coming to their holiday homes for a few months in the year, these people are not residents but could now find it difficult to come over whenever they wanted. And everyones situation differs from the amount of time they spend here and may be effected finanically with these new rules!
Nothing in the new rules(assuming what we know is correct) will stop home owners from staying a few months a year and coming and going within their limits. They have based this on 360 days (one year give or take a day or two). 180 days is 6 months and in those two periods you can stay a maximum of 90 days per period (90x2 = 180 days = 6 months).
I agree it might cause a problem for those who want to stay for say May June July and August as this would mean they would have to leave the country sometime in July or early August as they would have used up their 90 days. If the rules are as we think they would not be allowed back until their 180 days have passed which would be October sometime.
In my view a better method would have been to have each year as a stand alone 365 days and no matter when you first arrive you have a maximum of 180 days before you have to leave - but it must be before the end of that calendar year.
RUBBISH
That's rich for someone who thinks this is all the result of 'Efes chit chat'
Wake up and smell the coffee - you will need to get residency if you want to stay longer than 90 days in 180.
oh - and this is how to reply using the quote system ;)
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Originally posted by Julesp
If you really want to come and go as you please without residency It is possible to buy multiple entry tourists visas from UK for 1 year More money But hey!!What does anyone expect for a tenner these days
Sounds like a plan. I take it you could then just go on the boat trip to renew after your 90 days are up? Am I right in thinking you can get a 5 year multiple entry visa? Cost?
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I agree with Stoop-having each year stand alone and choose when to use your 180 days would be much more flexible. Some people prefer to use their holiday time in the summer months and some in the winter months. We are retired and live in Turkey for half the year - preferably in the winter/spring/autumn. People like us are contributing to the local economy when there aren't any tourists. I don't see why we should have to pay out for residency when we are only there for half the year - I know you can apply for 6 months residency but the red tape and paperwork looks horrendous and who would want to have to do that every 6 months?
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So if the Meis visa run is about to end why are Latebreaks/Meis Express putting up the price of their visa trips from 80 to 90 lira from August 1st[?]Their new ad is in this weeks LOL.
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Stoop"Am I right in thinking you can get a 5 year multiple entry visa? Cost?"
http://www.turkishconsulate.org.uk/en/visa.asp?PageID=16#16
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Originally posted by yabanci
So if the Meis visa run is about to end why are Latebreaks/Meis Express putting up the price of their visa trips from 80 to 90 lira from August 1st[?]Their new ad is in this weeks LOL.
Maybe because Carole & Tayfun are no longer doing the runs so no competition = higher price or are they just trying to get as much as possible in revenue before the runs end in October if this new law is in force.
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Originally posted by amca
Stoop"Am I right in thinking you can get a 5 year multiple entry visa? Cost?"
http://www.turkishconsulate.org.uk/en/visa.asp?PageID=16#16
I met someone a few years ago who had one of those, a year one I think, when he arrived at Dalaman airport proudly displaying his passport with his new visa the pasport official there told him it was not valid and insisted that he buy a 90 day tourist visa.
So if you were looking at this option I would do some research before parting with my cash.
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Philrose...i was speaking to someone today who said exactly the same thing...they bought a 1 year visa..on arrival at Dalaman had to buy a 90 day visa as the 1 year one "wasnt worth the paper it was written on " :o :o :o...this was 5 years ago. :o
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I take three holidays in Calis between 1st May and mid October which is 176 days. If I take a total maximum of 12 weeks, 84 days, am I going to be affected [?] I normally do May and July on one visa then get another in September. Puzzled Ken :-\
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
Philrose...i was speaking to someone today who said exactly the same thing...they bought a 1 year visa..on arrival at Dalaman had to buy a 90 day visa as the 1 year one "wasnt worth the paper it was written on " :o :o :o...this was 5 years ago. :o
We either all know someone or the same person:D the one I know got their visa from London, they didn't realise that they were sold a "single entry visa" hence on their return had to purchase a new visa before heading down the residency route. (Caveat emptor).
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by desmartinson
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by Denise40
It isn't just about the 1- 5 years residency if you are actually living here for good and you know Turkey is your home but lots of people have enjoyed coming to their holiday homes for a few months in the year, these people are not residents but could now find it difficult to come over whenever they wanted. And everyones situation differs from the amount of time they spend here and may be effected finanically with these new rules!
Nothing in the new rules(assuming what we know is correct) will stop home owners from staying a few months a year and coming and going within their limits. They have based this on 360 days (one year give or take a day or two). 180 days is 6 months and in those two periods you can stay a maximum of 90 days per period (90x2 = 180 days = 6 months).
I agree it might cause a problem for those who want to stay for say May June July and August as this would mean they would have to leave the country sometime in July or early August as they would have used up their 90 days. If the rules are as we think they would not be allowed back until their 180 days have passed which would be October sometime.
In my view a better method would have been to have each year as a stand alone 365 days and no matter when you first arrive you have a maximum of 180 days before you have to leave - but it must be before the end of that calendar year.
RUBBISH
That's rich for someone who thinks this is all the result of 'Efes chit chat'
Wake up and smell the coffee - you will need to get residency if you want to stay longer than 90 days in 180.
oh - and this is how to reply using the quote system ;)
is the coffee i need to smell at bostans?
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lol
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Hi I am a new member and regularly visit for extended stays.
Little confused by all the discussion on the subject of Visas. The new visa is pretty clear- stay 90 days in 180 from the day of entry. after this you leave and can only come back on the 181st day.
Reverse the situation and think of a Turkish visitor to the UK, would we want them to be able to stay for as long as they like by just going to a non EU country for the day say Jersey and renewing their visa for another 3 months. If you want to stay as a resident to a country you must expect to have to pay the price for residency. If we do this then we can legally apply for other benifits such as a telephone, TV, Car etc, after all we are guests in Turkey and should work within the framework of their laws.
I will simply plan my holidays around the time I am allowed and make the best of the time i have in thi great country.
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Originally posted by clampit
Hi I am a new member and regularly visit for extended stays.
Little confused by all the discussion on the subject of Visas. The new visa is pretty clear- stay 90 days in 180 from the day of entry. after this you leave and can only come back on the 181st day.
And where on the visa stamp does it say that[?]
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Ive just returned from turkey and have read the legal document regarding the new visas its 90days in 90days out 180days be careful not to over stay as there are various fines and three month bans if you dont get things right when coming and going to and from turkey.It does not affect us holiday home owners but its really taken affect on alot of people who now have to leave turkey due to finances.
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Michael, Can you post a link to the legal document you have read regarding the new visas, thank in advance.
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Steve i dont have a link i was at the solictors regarding another issue and she showed me the new visa requirements.I do know that there is a three month cooling off period as such and then you must obtain a residentcey visa or leave the country for 90days.
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Ok Michael thanks for the info.
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Bleedin marvelous, a solicitor now has the "official document" a travel agent and a policeman, but the british government has still to receive anything.:(:(
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This all seems to of been done very underhand,and from what i know of other things that have gone on makes you wonder what else the powers that be can do.
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by clampit
Hi I am a new member and regularly visit for extended stays.
Little confused by all the discussion on the subject of Visas. The new visa is pretty clear- stay 90 days in 180 from the day of entry. after this you leave and can only come back on the 181st day.
And where on the visa stamp does it say that[?]
180 gun icinde 90 gun gecerli muteaddit giris visesidir. Turkiye sinirlarindan ilk giriste sure baslar. calisma hakki vermez
multiple entry visa valid for an intended stay of no more than 90 days per period 180 days. duration begins on the date of entry to turkey. holder has no right to work.
Seems pretty straight forward to me :)
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Where does it say you can only come back after 181st day? does not seem pretty straight forward, we all know what the visa says its what is does not say seems to be the problem, where does it say you can or indeed can not renew after completion of the said 90 days, officially?
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Blueeyedbird tells us in her post of 18 July 2010 : 11:04:06 that " it has gone through Parliament and that is it". Will she please quote the reference for this. All Turkish legislation is available both in printed form and online. We can all then look it up and confirm the details for ourselves.
Oh, and a further thought on what the new Visa stamp ( as so clearly scanned by Scunner ) actually says.
It clearly says MULTIPLE ENTRY VISA VALID FOR AN INTENDED STAY OF NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS PER PERIOD 180 DAYS. DURATION BEGINS ON THE DATE OF ENTRY TO TURKEY. HOLDER HAS NO RIGHT TO WORK.
"An intended stay" is clearly what it says. One stay. As in an apple is one apple.
An Orange is one orange. Etc. Not a number of bits of an apple that add up to a whole apple, etc.
I will buy the first person who posts a definitive answer with what the new Visa sticker actually means a whole bottle of Efes Mind you I will refuse to pay if it costs me more than 5 TL!
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So farmer - if it's for one stay up to a maximum of 90 days then how can it be 'multiple entry'?
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Stoop, as you quite clearly stated the visa stamp states multi entry[?] how can you multi enter without multi leaving:D:D i would still like to see something on an official site iE our Embassy in Ankara, Turkish consulate,London. i just can not understand a country that relies on tourism as much as Turkey does, dictating when a UK tourist, or the other so called 61 countries can spend there holidays in Turkey, it just seems crazy to me.in my opinion the 90 in 180 is a positive rather than a negative, the multi trip tourist can come and go as they please, as you can not reside in Turkey without a residency which has been the law for as long as i have lived here, why don't the authorities or the powers that be enforce the law thats already in place[?] i just can not see how this will benefit Turkey whatsoever the law for residents is quite clear, imo why change somthing thats not broke[?]
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Turkey is bringing the rules in line with other countries. After all there are hardly any countries in the world left now that allow visa running. You certainly can not do it in the EU or North America. The weird thing is that they have not published anything in the official gazette yet, AFAIK, a major change like this would have to be "made legal" in such a way.
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BM06 - Make you mind up. On one side you say it's a positive rather than a negative as the tourist can come and go as they please but prior to that you say you cannot understand why they want to dictate to tourists and later you cannot see how it will benefit Turkey. Confused? I am.
Maybe (like you ?) they think this is a good thing for tourism as it allows multiple entry for any 90 days in 180 and as such for the normal tourist or person who visits their home a couple of times a year it is an advantage.
As for the people who should have residency - maybe this is the only way they can 'flush them out'? How can they otherwise tell who is a legitimate tourist and who is staying on a 90 day visa when they should have residency?
One thing I do think is that the authorities need to bring out a written explanation of the new rules and regulations so that the foreigner knows exactly where he or she stands.
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Stoop, As you say i can not make my mind up whats going on:D i wish the Turks and the UK embassy would print something official,and make there minds up as to whats going on:D
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Stoop, As you say i can not make my mind up whats going on:D i wish the Turks and the UK embassy would print something official,and make there minds up as to whats going on:D
I understand and agree fully ;):D
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i think its always been the law that you need residency to reside here.
what is not being understood understandably is the method being employed to impliment the law to close the loophole.
i spoke to an english journalist who is funding a test case to come in from rhodos today or tommorow, and she what they do to her visa renewal.
the consulate in istanbul are onto the case but things have been put on the backburner due to an imminent visit from the uk. pm.
one thing i think is for sure is that the days of visa hops are over.
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Did the Meiss visa run today and visa issued was the same old visa. Nothing about 90 in 180 days! So will be able to go to Meiss again in October - no problem.... as yet
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I think they might have a few full trips over the next few weeks :)
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i wouldnt be too sure about whatever visa stamp you get, they will probably impliment the new rules on the date and not the type of stamp.
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There has often been slight differences between visa rules/stamps etc, I believe this is due to the fact that Kas is in Antalya province and Fethiye in Mugla province.I believe stuart is probably correct in his post.But I do see a possible problem for people who came through dalaman early May/june, who received the new 180 day stamp when and if, they try to renew with a visa run to Meis or wherever and the customs take an arbitary decision to refuse.Even though the final date is mid Oct
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Here is a copy of a post from a very good friend of mine who lives in Izmir.
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As one of those who has just done a Visa run (haven't got round to applying for residency yet) I thought I'd share my experience:
Visa due to expire on 20th July so headed to Samos on 18th July. No problem exiting. Upon returning handed over my £10 and passport and they stuck a visa in it. Headed to the police entry. The police lady got confused and started to talk to her friend about UK passport holder not being allowed back in after 90 days ie trying to retroactively apply the policy. I used some of my best Turkish arguing skills and pointed out that surely it should only apply to the new visa I even showed that the new visa was a 3 month entry and didn't state 90 days in 180 days. They told me that I would have to apply for my residency but let me through.
I loved the fact that the rules had been implemented without any prior advertising and that the police who control entry didn't seem to understand how to apply these rules but eventually let me in based on my say so that I would apply for residency, they also gave me the old style visa so maybe I could get away with one more border run but I won't be trying. Residency here I come - again.
Got the song from Genesis playing in the background....land of confusion.
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I have just found out from a very good source that this new ruling is going to be quietly dropped. Also the main reason for all the confusion is because one ministry went ahead and made a drastic change without informing or consulting any other ministry and has caused a bit of infighting between them.
The foreign missions of all the effected nations of this ruling have been working together to give a single statement to the Turkish authorities about their concerns.
The source of this info does not come from a "friend" in a bar over an efes before anyone says that.
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I have just found out from a very good source that this new ruling is going to be quietly dropped. Also the main reason for all the confusion is because one ministry went ahead and made a drastic change without informing or consulting any other ministry and has caused a bit of infighting between them.
The foreign missions of all the effected nations of this ruling have been working together to give a single statement to the Turkish authorities about their concerns.
The source of this info does not come from a "friend" in a bar over an efes before anyone says that.
Hi Starman. Do you know if an announcement will be made to this effect? I am a bit worried as I entered Dalaman on 11th July and was given one of the new visas. I was wondering if anyone who entered around the time that I did should do a trip to maes to see if we could get an old style stamp. It is so confusing.
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I doubt an official announcement will be made as apparently they want to drop it quietly but also to let the people know at the bottom of the chain (passport police). Also was told that all those on the current 90/180 days will be allowed to visa jump.
As I said, this is in the internal channels at the moment so could take a week or 2.
Also was told that it was expected to be dropped, not that it is definet. Turkey has to sort this out itself and doesnt want to be seen to bow down to outside pressure.
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Only in Turkey eh? I wonder what visa Mr Cameron has in his passport?
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Thanks for a quick reply Starman. I will just sit tight for a few weeks.
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Only in Turkey eh? I wonder what visa Mr Cameron has in his passport?
He wouldnt have a 90 day visa as he does not need one. His passport grants him visa free entry into Turkey as would Erdogans if he came to the UK.
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Now official, you may carry on with your border jumping.
http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-turkey/visitors-who-overstay
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A visitor's visa valid for 90 days is issued to British Citizens at the port of entry on payment of £10 (English notes only) . British diplomatic/official passport holders must apply for a visa before travelling to Turkey.
We recently received reports that Turkish immigration procedures for British visitors (and the nationals of 62 other countries) had changed from 14 July. The change meant that British visitors were being issued with visas which were valid for a stay of up to 90 days within a 180 day period. Visitors with this type of visa had to wait until the 181st day before applying for a new visa.
Following these reports, the British Ambassador called on the Turkish Minister of the Interior on 22 July to seek clarification. The Ambassador raised the difficulties that the implementation, without warning, would cause many British people in Turkey, and to the citizens of other countries affected. The Minister said that no change in rules would be taking place.
The Ministry of Interior has now confirmed that the proposed change has been delayed. All ports of entry have been informed and visa procedures will revert to those in place before 14 July. British nationals will once again be able to enter Turkey on 90 day visas.
We are following up with the Ministry of Interior to establish if a new implementation date is proposed and what action, if any, those with 180 day visas need to take. New information will be posted here when we have it.
Staying in Turkey beyond the date of your visa is taken seriously by the Turkish Authorities. If you overstay you will be fined upon departure. Fines vary according to the length of time you overstay. If you overstay and are fined, you must apply for your next visa at a Turkish Embassy or Consulate overseas before you travel. You may also be banned from re-entering Turkey for a period of time as follows:-
* Overstay 1-15 days - no ban.
* Overstay from 16-90 days - banned for up to three months.
* Overstay for more than 90 days i.e. from the 91st day, banned for up to six months.
Disclaimer: Please note that this information was provided by the Ministry of the Interior and the Turkish Security Police Directorate (Foreigners Department). Although we do our best to ensure that the content is correct, we cannot take responsibility for Turkey's immigration policy or the application of it. If you have further queries, please contact the relevant Turkish Foreigners Police Department in the area where you reside.
British Consular Services Turkey
26 July 2010
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Well there is always good and bad news when a topic comes to an end, the good news, my wife can now go to Meis and renew her tourist visa:(the bad news i thought i had got rid of her for 3 months ;):D
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People should note that it states that it has been delayed not that there will be no changes in the near/distant future.
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but at least if they do change it that they should give a bit more notice and handle it properly so people can prepare. Maybe if they announce that it would happen as of jan 1, 2011 and give people a heads up at least 4 months prior just like any normal country would.
This whole thing was a giant c0ck up and the person that did this should be taught the basics about communication.
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God love em....only in Turkey could this happen. Glad we didn't rush into getting residency.
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but at least if they do change it that they should give a bit more notice and handle it properly so people can prepare.
Even with more notice there will be the same outcry again.
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Yep, it'll give 'em time to hike the Residence Permit prices a bit more.
Cynical, Moi ? :D ;):D
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:D:D:D
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Ok so the 44 pages of speculation was fun, but all good things must come to an end. This will be locked now as you can refer to the revised situation here: {A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}36760