Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Anne on September 02, 2012, 07:20:51 AM
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On Friday evening my friend arrived in Calis with her sixteen year old daughter and her 70(ish) year old Mum. It is her Mum's first visit to Turkey but unfortunately she hasn't received the typical Turkish hospitality we all know and love. After spending a lovely evening in Joseph's Bar they were followed home to Poppy apartments by a man on a bike. On nearing the apartments he began to circle them, on his bike demanding 60 euros. She told him where to get off and luckily managed to get inside the complex in one piece. The lady who runs the complex told them that she had heard of this happening recently and thought the culprit had been caught. She immediately called the police and reported the incident for them. They are still waiting for anyone to arrive:(.
Last night , well early hours of this morning really, Billy and I were sitting in Ali's Bar with Loz and Gordon when a fight broke out in Maria's Bar. It was closed up for the night but the girls who sell the roses were sitting there as usual. Three of them decided to give another one a right good slapping. The polis arrived within seconds, they must've been just down the street. Did the take the culprits into custody? Did they hell, allowed them to run off, even though everyone was pointing them out. The poor girl who was the vicitim got a ride instead. I must admit though she could get a star part in the next blockbuster she milked it so well.
After saying our goodbyes Billy and I set off up Baris Manco, talking all the while about both incidents and how in the eight years we've been coming here we'd never witnessed any violence, been followed, or in fact had any cause for concern although we always heeded any warning to be vigilant etc that we read on here. That was about to change.
Just as we were crossing the road at the Akdeniz restaurant we heard a couple of motor bikes roaring up behind us but never paid attention as we're used to them speeding on by. Suddenly I heard a really loud pop and I do mean loud. Out of the corner of my eye I seen something flying past my face. Just a glimpse it was so fast but there all the same. Turning to Billy to say 'What on earth was that?' I found him ashen faced, trying to catch his breath and reaching to get his arm up his back, feeling around as far as he could. Something had hit him square between the shoulder blades. We crossed over and went into PJ's to have a look and thankfully found he'd been pelted with an egg but for that split second my heart was in my mouth. Just at that, Adam (shoeshine) came in. We'd not noticed him following closely at our back on the road up. He'd also been hit, just below his ear. He was shocked too but bless him more concerned for Billy. Eventually we carried on home. Billy said he'd never have believed an egg could cause so much pain but when we got into the apartment and I'd a closer look you could still see the imprint of the shell where it had broken with force against his skin. Unbelievable!!!!
So, in the space of just over twenty four hours, three seperate incidents have tarnished my rose tinted specs :o
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Anne, that's terrible, hope your OK this morning.
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I was really looking forward to going later today :( Will have to make sure we are on out guard I guess.
Hope Billy is OK and everyone else involved.
Stu
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Bloody hell Anne what time did this take place. Brian, Nigel and I were in PJ's til 2ish. Funnily enough there was a Turkish party at Akdeniz with the drums and squeaky pipe thingy blaring all night and people dancing their socks off. PJ's karaoke had to be inside all night as you couldn't here yourself think outside. Anyway just before midnight the police arrived and shut the party down. I wonder if yours and Billie's egg incident could have been some kind of "sour grapes"?
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So sorry to hear this and hope you are OK. Unfortunately we are hearing more and more of this type of thing and whereas before we could walk around quite comfortably now we have to be on our guard all the time. Such a shame for the holiday makers, the locals and for the bar and hotel owners who work so hard to make a living - an escalation in these types of incident could ruin Calis.
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Nasty, and such a shock. I hope you are both feeling better today. Little sods
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Must have been tramatic for you both ..hope you ok
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What a horrible (not forgetting totally cowardly) thing to do. Sadly people need to wake up to the fact that Calis is no longer a quaint little resort - it is growing and police patrols are needed and should be essential these days. Too many people cruising the streets in the wee small hours, in cars and on bikes looking for opportunities to rob, hassle or assault people. Locking a handful of people up could do wonders for the place.
I hope you guys are ok today.
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That is awful we hope you are both ok, luckily for you the egg/missile did miss your face, even an egg could have caused pain or damage, speak soon.
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Was there not some issue a few years ago and there was a campaign in emailing the
Governor Mugla and I seem to remember it did have some effect?
Perhaps somnething similar again?
Meldrew
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Thanks everyone. We are absolutely fine, have dealt with worse in me pub days lol
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Scunner is right, this side of Calis has been around for a long time and when Shirley and I had our do back in 2005, nobody wanted to believe us. Back then there used to always be three detectives on duty in Calis, as well as the police I don't know if that is the case today. When we are out there, we see two coppers come along Migro's road, on a moped, every night, a very inadequate force for a busy resort. Something needs to be done.
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I think Scunner is totally right Calis is no longer the quaint little haven it once was, I have only been going for 6 years but have noticed changes in those years.
Some people who were renting an apartment on our complex (first visit to Calis) let their 16 and 17 year old lads stay out on their own after they had all had a meal with an agreed time to be back home, when the parents were walking back they saw too separate Turkish men on mopeds talking on mobiles in different locations (I forget where she said but i think one was the newish concrete bridge)anyway it made her and her husband feel really uncomfortable so they came back for a few hours but went down to meet their lads much to the boys disappointment!Also my neighbour asked us one morning whether their dog had woke us around 1.30am it hadn't but the neighbour said he only barks like that when someone who should not be is around (he never makes a murmer at us) so my neighbour let him bark, they got a dog as a result of being burgled within days of moving out to Turkey, we said we were more then happy to have the dog bark if it meant it was scarying someone off!
Obviously this is totally different to being out and about and being targeted with eggs being thrown at you what can you do? Nowadays I am on my guard so much and would definetely not not have any security bars.
Glad you and your hubby are ok Anne :)
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Now as a resident, can I buy a gun?
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Yes.
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yes you can rimms. but you can only shoot a person threating you, turk or whatever nationality from the waist down. no rude comments please. ;)
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Sorry to hear of you bad experiences Anne. What a shock after all these carefree years. Take care and look after yourselves.
When we syayed at the Pelin, I was a nervous wreck walking back along the road, especially as most of the lights are out. I always carried a large stone in my hand just in case.
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yes you can rimms. but you can only shoot a person threating you, turk or whatever nationality from the waist down. no rude comments please. ;)
So if some scumbag rides up on a bike, grabs my wife's bag, demands money or throws a missile at me, I can shoot them from the waist down?
RESULT !
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I absolutely hate that Pelin road at nighttime so glad I am not the only one Toky, that is a great idea carrying a stone as you just never know and at least you would have a bit of a chance being armed. A few years back and this is not hearsay, people I know where going out and it was just starting to get dark, a Turkish man was sat on a moped at the end of that road with his oh what do I call it on here well you will all know what I mean doing you know what to himself, my friends friend was so shocked she punched him in the face as she was so cross that he could be sat there doing that, he had quite a job putting it away and staying on the moped and then for good measure she ran up and punched him again!then the shock sat in by the time they arrived at the bar they were both in shock and so glad that they had not been alone!
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Sorry I know this is a serious subject but ....Karennina I am still laughing at your last post .Brilliant ;D 8)
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Karennina, that was sooooooooooooooo funny. Have this mental image of him sitting on his moped and your friend hitting him.
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I bloody hate it when you are sitting on your moped, having a nice time and then some woman comes up and smacks you in the gob. Luckily mines a two stroke !
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OMG Anne.... >:(
Awfull for you both, soooo glad to hear Billy is ok....
we have learnt by things happening abroad and not just Calis , that when we walk in daylight and at night, we always try and walk where possible with the traffic coming toward us, then you can see whats happening, not always possible we know and sometimes with these sort of people it would not have made a blind deal of difference..
Take care of yourselves :)
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Rimms : :) :P : ???
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:o :o PMSL, so it was YOU Rimms!!!
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I'm not so sure it was. I remember being down near the Pelin sitting on my moped and would you believe it, just as I saw some English ladies walking towards me, I noticed my flies were undone. Feeling embarrassed and in a bit of a panic I was trying to pull my zip up and before I could, one of the women punched me in the face!
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And I applaude her. Men with their bits out need a good "boaby" bashing with my boulder!
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I have just PMSL at Rimms and Scuners posts :)serously it was lucky they are two strong minded women cos if I was on my own I would have been terrified about what he would have done next, the women that punched him is only small as well but she was just so enraged that he would dare to do it.
Many years ago when I was about 20 I went on a girls holiday to Benidorm one of the barmen at our hotel took a shine to me and my mate we nicknamed him monkey cos that is what he looked like, one night he called me behind the bar into a little store room and had got his you know what out, well I just could not believe the size of it it was absolutly ginoramus, in my shock as I had not been expecting this all I could think of to say was that cant be real probably not the reaction he wanted, he blantly stood there stroking it and just saying over and over again in his Spanish accent reeeeaall reaallll tis reaaall :)
sorry to hijack your thread Anne!!
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Is it just me? If I saw a woman sitting on a moped doing the same sort of thing, I guess it would take me 20 minutes to feel disgusted !
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Thats cos your thinking pretty girl Rimms, think about granny rose seller..
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Can she ride a moped. :o
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what a night ,we are glad to hear you have overcome the incidents
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As part of our village community watch we have made various enquiries re personal protection, below is the last information advice we were given.
Pepper spray is available to buy legally and to carry in puplic, you can get one from the hunting shop next to the fish market for instance, they cost around 25 Lira and would recommend anyone who feels unsafe to carry one for their protection or keep indoors.
Re shooting someone, not sure where it has been said it is legal from the waist down but we have enquired with the Jandarma and been informed if someone breaks into your house, only if they enter your bedroom is it legal to shoot them and they must also be armed with some sort of weapon to justify force used, it is not legal for members of the public to carry any firearms in public unless they are enroute to or from hunting or competition or for maintenance/sale and even then the gun should be in a case whilst transporting and you are supposed to have a hunting permit also, although it appears like most rules it is not enforced!
Forigners are also not permitted to purchase a handgun without a permit from the police with valid reason for needing one (apparently personal protection is not a valid reason) but can purchase a shotgun/rifle over the counter by showing the original and submitting a photocopy of their passport at the gun shop.
It is harder to get a permit to have a trailer on your car than purchase a shotgun here!! :D
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We actually find carrying a small metal torch with a bright beam on it usefull, they never like to know we can see there faces, and have always shone one at people coming towards us to make them aware we have it on us, so far so good :)
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Sorry to read this post Anne and we're so glad you are both ok but you must have been frightened. Hope to see you soon x
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Outrageous. I am glad you are ok but very sorry such a thing happened to you.
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Anne. Trainer told us about this, it also happened to him, he went after them and they got off, also heard there had been quite alot of fighting going on in calis, but they do their best to keep it quiet. a pity really, but the resort is getting bigger and attracting the wrong sorts. glad Billy is ok.x
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Anne and Billy, have only just read this. Hope you're both ok and enjoying the rest of your holiday.
There seemed to be a lot of men hanging around with pushbikes or motorbikes, just sitting on the pavements, between the old dolphin roundabout and Aydin Pide. We were quite un-nerved (well, I was!) a few times on our recent 5 week holiday. Walking home one evening, a bike drew up alongside me and my 17 year old daughter, and the guy said "jump on, i give you a lift!" We just looked at him! My husband, strolling behind, quickly caught up, and the bloke drove off. No harm done to us, but women on their own could have felt threatened.
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Not nice at all, glad you're ok. We keep hearing more stories like this and it certainly makes you more aware.
I have been 'egged' while walking along a quite road in Hampshire and I agree it is both frightening and extremely painful.
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We have been informed tonight that our house in Calis has been broken into, it seems strange as we were told that they normaly do it when people are staying there for easy pickings, cash phones cards
and cameras, so please be on your guard as this may be the start of a trend.
It looks like nothing was taken, but we have yet to visit and check for ourselves.
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where abouts is your house Steve ?
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We are on the atlas residence villa one, less than 100 mtrs from the Khan hotel
or 150mtrs from the new up and over bridge or the (upside down bridge)
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I would recommend that all persons should have a high lumens flashlight that can be used to temporarily blind an attacker. They are totally legal and their robust construction means they also make a useful weapon for defense. This is my one.
http://www.candb-seen.co.uk/flashlightstorches/cabs-flash502b-ultrafire.html (http://www.candb-seen.co.uk/flashlightstorches/cabs-flash502b-ultrafire.html)
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What sort of size are these Lucinda ?
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Sunlover they are quite compact and either on strobe or full beam will disorientate a person or simply shining it in the direction of a suspicious person will make them think twice. You can find it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpJrwG52c_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpJrwG52c_w)
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Try to take a photo of them when they first approach, with camera or the one on your phone. That should convince them not to start being a pest...
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Lot's of good ideas here but in our case, a couple of motorbikes (not scooters) racing up behind us didn't give us any chance to protect ourselves.
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Changed days indeed for Calis. It certainly isn't the place it was 10 years ago. I too have heard about all the fighting in Calis and whilst disputes between certain bars has been ongoing for years, the fact that they are openly fighting in the street, just shows that the fueding is no longer kept under wraps. Fighting, thieving, burglaries, muggings and and egging are not good for tourism BUT there are a lot of expats living in and around Calis all year round so this is worrying for everyone. High profile policing does help IF these rogues are suitably punished, which we know, they aren't !
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hiya ive only joined the forum tonight
we go to calis in 3 weeks and my mum has an apartment there
if i remember right (its been 3 years) is quite dark to get to my mums apartment so i will definitely be getting a taxi on a night now
not sure if its been built up around there since last time i visited
must admit im petrified now after reading this :( and i remember calis being such a lovely place
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Laura you should enjoy your holiday just as you did 3 years ago. These incidents, although disappointing, are relatively rare. I have known Calis for years and do know that some not very nice incidents happen - but I do not recognise the picture of Calis that ray1951 paints. It is just sensationalist rubbish. My view, I'm entitled to it :)
Calis is still the lovely place you remember - just relax and enjoy. Isolated bad incidents do seem to happen, but rarely. Come back and tell us how you found things in Calis :)
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I know its wrong but if you stay out in bars until 2,3 4am then expect to see some trouble - wherever you are in the world. People get too much ale inside them and the inevitable happens.
Been going to Calis nine years and not seen any trouble yet - or been followed. Mind you we tend to get home before or just after midnight. If it's late we always get a taxi.
Went to Portugal last year and stayed out until the early hours and guess what - drunks fighting.
Went to Chaing Mai a couple of years back - watched a late Prem game (ended about 4am) and saw someone getting chased down the street by some lad hold a machete!
Women on their own need to take extra care. NEVER walk home alone after dark (the same as in the UK I guess) and especially if it's really late.
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Laura you should enjoy your holiday just as you did 3 years ago. These incidents, although disappointing, are relatively rare. I have known Calis for years and do know that some not very nice incidents happen - but I do not recognise the picture of Calis that ray1951 paints. It is just sensationalist rubbish. My view, I'm entitled to it :)
Calis is still the lovely place you remember - just relax and enjoy. Isolated bad incidents do seem to happen, but rarely. Come back and tell us how you found things in Calis :)
Thank you hun
i will let u know how it goes!
does anyone know what the weathers normally like in early october?
i will have to tell my mum about this forum she will love it lol
xx
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We have now been out here for two weeks, and been walking along Baris Manco at various times. Not seen a hint of trouble.
A great many people walk up and down every day with no problem. It is only because the problems are unusual that anyone takes any notice.
Martin
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Scunner
i appreciate your words of comfort but am concerned about the 'relaxed' attitude of the authorities. When there are problems, the local police should act, sorry wrong word; should sort the problem out properly. We mentioned in detail the scrap discussed in an earlier thread(possibly between the boys at Scarlett and the B52) to the tour operator adjacent Josephs and he began talking about a fight between a waiter at Ali's and a local whose wife had been insulted. Didn't bother reminding him of the real topic as have had this 'off on a tangent' treatment before when asking about problems in the vicinity. The locals seem so keen at covering up what's going on that one wonders if they can be trusted. If something happened to my wife or myself next time we're out there would 'justice' be done or would they all cover it up to protect their own vested interests?
That said, we returned 14/9/12 from our 17 nights and had a quiet, relaxed time; we generally head back to our hotel around midnight. This was our 2nd stay in Calis this year, first came in 1995.
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Well we agree really - I too feel that there is not enough in the way of policing and also in results from effective policing. I seem to remember a bigger police presence 10 years ago than now, which is obviously disappointing. In the year of the battered white car being seen driving slowly alongside women and trying to get them in, we tried to urge ladies to think about the dangers of walking home alone in the wee small hours and I think it was quite effective. But I also spoke with local businessmen, hoteliers and the like to ask why next to nothing was being done in terms of policing - as such incidents could have a huge affect on Calis and with that to them as hotel bookings would suffer - and they genuinely (I believe) had no idea about any of it.
It IS irritating that as Calis develops, policing doesn't - and for me it is hugely frustrating because once again it isn't a major problem to address - it could be sorted out in five minutes. More police patrolling the main streets - easy. Sadly (and this is one of the greatest frustrations of Turkey) the bleedin' obvious is rarely addressed and sorted.
But all that said, I have to agree with Stoop - I'd rather walk home at 3am in Calis than 3am in Manchester or nightclub kicking out time even in my home town. There is a similar lack of police after midnight everywhere sadly.