Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Eric on October 24, 2007, 11:01:28 AM
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I am hoping to have some positive news by the end of the week so watch this forum... ;):D
In the meantime we have instructed a lawyer from Antalya and Fethiye Architects Bureau have agreed to pay his bill but not his expenses. To this end we have been asked by the Turkish committee in joining them to raise funds to go towards this and any expert witness fees.
If you would like to make a donation please contact us and we will of course keep books to show income and expenditure.
Many thanks
Fi & Eric
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On Friday, me and my wife, along with Fi & Eric and Lyn & Mario decide to find what we could from the various nocks and cranies in our des res's in Üzümlü and try our luck at the Çalis; carboot sale today. To which end we managed to raise almost 300 YTL towards the fund to fight the Cement factory project. Also thanks to Margeret and Rod for their donation of plants grown with their own green fingers. If we can do it whats stopping everyone else from donating to the fund in what ever form it takes? It affects everyone, even in Çalis; and Fethiye, so please respond favourably and get your fingers out.
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Hi Fi & Eric, I would like to make donation but being in England for the winter (what a bummer!) is there anyway that us lot over here can make a donation? Nice to see you again Don & Tracey
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Is someone has PayPal perhaps you can donate to them through that?
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If anyone in the UK wants to donate I have a spare bank account I can use for this purpose. Contact me for details through my profile.
If in Turkey then I can arrange to meet anyone who wants to donate.
Thanks
Fi
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Can't help much with fundraising events, since we don't get over to Uzumlu very often, but we're happy to throw YTL100 into the pot.
We have a "bagman" in Uzumlu who could pay in YTL - I assume this is the more convenient option, rather than the UK account?
Peter & Jacquie
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Peterw, thanks for the offer and yes someone who can pay locally is preferable. Contact me through my profile and I can give you a contact number.
Thanks
Fi & Eric
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Hello All,
having just put a "lumpy" deposit down on a villa in Uzumlu we have been avidly following the "cement factory" saga on this site.To that end I phoned our agent who is dealing with the transaction (Villa Office opp.main mosque) to find out the latest news.
He catagorically told me that the cement project had been scrapped once and for all (some might say he would wouldnt he). However,speak as you find,I like him and trust him implicitly. It might be an idea to pop into the office for further verification?
Hope that I am correct on this,obviously - if not I am,of course ready to add to the fighting fund.Will be in Uzumlu 26th Nov- 3rd
Dec. My best regards to all.
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Scorcher, what great news!! All our fears are at last put to rest. This must be true if you got it direct from a local estate agent.
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Ah ,Mr Tippett,
Just for a second there-I almost believed you! I have of course,read and been intrigued by your past posts. At the very least,I must say,that you are quick off the starting block. Possibly you might have missed my caveat? Hope springs eternal...... My best wishes.
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Ok this is the latest news....not from an estate agent but direct from the authorities.
After lots of contact with the UK (yes the UK, Chris Tippett)Foreign Office Second secretary in Ankara...he did lots of investigations and asked questions on our behalf...we had confirmation in the form of an official document via the UK foreign Office, from the Turkish Enviroment Ministry that the cement factory had been refused because it was on forestry land. After speaking to the lawyer, we have retained, he thinks that because of the reasons for refusing the cement factory, the Lime kiln will go the same route.:D
Now we have to go through the courts so that not only it is refused by the Ministry but also the courts, so that Urantas will not just go ahead and build it and suffer the consequences(as is fairly normal in Turkey).
This means that we are winning but we want it all water tight for the future. We are also trying to look into the original quarry permissions as this has trebled insize over the last 2 years.
So the fund raising continues so that we can fund the legal side and then we all will hopefully be able to sit back, breath fresh air and enjoys our homes in the Uzumlu valley.
Many thanks to all that have donated so far it is greatly appreciated by those of us who are fighting the plans on the ground in Uzumlu on everyones behalf.
We have a special night planned for Friday 30th Nov in Uzumlu so if you are here then please get in touch for more details but I can tell you it will be great fun. 8) ;):D
If after all this is finished there is any money left in the fund then we will be donating it to a worthy cause in Uzumlu.
Finally, after being told numerous times by certain parties that us Brits would not be listened to by the Turkish authorities and that we had no right to get involved, all I have to say is "Look at the results" and say we did not help this protest! :D
Many thanks to all who have supported us in Uzumlu and the UK, but we still need those donations.
Fi & Eric
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Hello Firo,
Many thanks for the update.There has obviously been a huge amount of time and effort spent on this problem, "spurious" estate agents notwithstanding.Might you perhaps let me know about the "bun fight" on the 30th. I will be in the area with my No. one son(CID officer who,is not inclined to take prisoners),and, of course would love to be there!Hopefully Mr Tippett will grace us all with his presence and benefit us all with his wisdom and maybe,just maybe ,let us all know what side of the bed he gets out of most mornings.Am really looking forward to meeting as many of you as possible. If all else fails,we can always bore each other about dogs! For now, my very best.-Frank H.
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Dear Firo,I read your response with interest but I am now more confused than before. You talk about a 'special night' on 30 Nov, which I assume is to celebrate the Turkish Environment Ministry refusing the factory, but previously said that the issue still has to be resolved in the courts!!
My question is quite simple - Is the factory issue finally dead and buried? If not then is it not a bit premature to start celebrating?
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Hip Hip Hooray
Hip Hip Hooray
Hip Hip Hooray
Well done all of you, Dogan rang me to tell me the good news, need to get it all water tight.
Paul
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Where is it said that the 30th is a celebration?
Prehaps you shouldn't assusume so much again.
Fi
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Dear Scorcher,I go into the village every day to shop, I get out of bed on the left side and I certainly do not have the temerity to claim any great powers of wisdom. All I would claim, is that having lived in Uzumlu for the past 18 months, I am very painfully aware of the workings of the Turkish bureaucratic system. A court case could take years to resolve and as Firo has said Urantas could still go ahead and build anyway.
The Ministy decision is a welcome step forward but I am not yet ready to put the flags out.
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Eric, were you a politician in an earlier life? Please answer the following question YES or NO. Is the factory issue dead and buried? Your earlier reply to Scorcher, well intentioned as it was, is not clear on the matter and I fear may well have sent out the wrong signal judging by Batman's elated response.
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Dear Mr Tippett,
Fair comment.But I imagine,like yourself,have been around the block once or twice. So nothing but nothing "surprises" me anymore. Reality,I guess but, as they do say: "when in Rome etc." Do,please,keep the flags on "stand-by".See you there on the 30th? My regards . FH. PS-have faith.
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The situation looks pretty clear to me - we've won a battle, but not the war. I'd be only too happy to celebrate on the 30th if I was in Uzumlu. Sadly I'm not, but I'll be asking Scorcher to have a couple of drinks on my behalf when he's there.
Maybe I just have a low celebration threshold ;)
Peter & Jacquie
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Peterw has put it perspective. We have won one battle now we have to win the war.
The reasons for continuing are as previously stated. So YES we are winning but we want all the t's crossed before we celebrate.
We have been told that when we have the court ruling even Urantas would not dare go ahead hence why we are taking the next step.
Hope this is clear enough for you to understand Chris Tippett.
Fi
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Originally posted by Firo
Peterw has put it perspective. We have won one battle now we have to win the war.
The reasons for continuing are as previously stated. So YES we are winning but we want all the t's crossed before we celebrate.
We have been told that when we have the court ruling even Urantas would not dare go ahead hence why we are taking the next step.
Hope this is clear enough for you to understand Chris Tippett.
Fi
Firo I think you have done a tremendous job and whilst you have pointed out, there is very much still a long way to go, this news is great progress. Well done.
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Eric, were you a politician in an earlier life? Please answer the following question YES or NO.
Sounds to me that you are more like a politician than Eric & Fiona, Chris. Sit back and let others do all the hard work, then bark questions at them.
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Well said Chris. I have lived here
for 8 years. If they all think this is finished think again. Look at the quarry the other side of the Ova this was stopped by Ankara but within 3 weeks started up again under another licence and so it goes on..........
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Dear Scorcher,I go into the village every day to shop, I get out of bed on the left side and I certainly do not have the temerity to claim any great powers of wisdom. All I would claim, is that having lived in Uzumlu for the past 18 months, I am very painfully aware of the workings of the Turkish bureaucratic system. A court case could take years to resolve and as Firo has said Urantas could still go ahead and build anyway.
The Ministy decision is a welcome step forward but I am not yet ready to put the flags out.
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Voyager,
Please do not be so condesending in treating us like people who have said "well thats all over now", for goodness sake read the full post I made. We have won the battle not the war and we are not stopping until it is won hence the court case continuing.
As for quoting the quarry opposite the Ova we are fighting to stop the cement factory & lime Kiln first and foremost which is a totally different beast to a quarry. When that problem is put to bed finally then we will look into the problems of the quarries.
We are at least one step further ahead than you & Chris Tippett ever thought we would be.
Thanks once again for your support in your postings on the subject.
Fi
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(If they all think this is finished think again. Look at the quarry the other side of the Ova this was stopped by Ankara but within 3 weeks started up again under another licence and so it goes on..........)
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:(:(I am amazed. We have a great bunch of people working their arses off trying to progress this situation; and other people, rather than supporting and putting in efforts to help, pick holes and throw in negative comments. We are ALL hoping and supporting the same result, so come on Mr Tippett and friends, give them some positive thoughts and gratitude.
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Well done to all those involved and good luck with your continuing fight.
Mr Tippett was quick to jump in when I posted a picture of the proposed site (my picture) taken from his 'best friends'(and my friends)garden - asking if I had had the courtesy to ask permission to post it. Maybe he now might have the courtesy to thank those who have worked so hard to try and stop this development and in turn stop the inevitable reduction in house prices that would have followed.
I guess not though.
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Stoop..... I seem to remember the photos you posted of the proposed site were your own, taken 'FROM' your friends garden, not taken 'OF' your friends garden, so can't see why 'anyone' would suggest you needed permission to post pictures of the local scenery!!!
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Carlan - my thoughts exactly. Thank you.
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Originally posted by stoop
and in turn stop the inevitable reduction in house prices that would have followed.
You said it Stoop.
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I know I did. Your point is[?]
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Well done Fi & Eric and not forgetting the ever passionate Kamal who made some very special speehes at various meetings a BIG thank you to all.
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If I ever had to explain Brits abroad to someone using just one thread, this would have to be it.
The best and the worst all in one place :)
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Scunner, I could not agree with you more..........
.....Us Brits valliantly 'fighting on the beaches' and those pesky Turks trying to destroy us from their hillside vantage point.
The best and worst indeed.
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Chris, once again you brilliantly miss the point completely. If you were doing the fighting and the Turks were just sitting around I would agree with you. But it is the exact opposite 8)
Eric
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Mr Tippet, I hope you don't mind my asking, but why ever did you buy a place in Turkey? I may be wrong, and forgive me if I am, but I have yet to read a good word for the local people in any of your posts. "Pesky Turks" indeed, have they not made you welcome in their country and community? I have yet to meet a Turk with the same disposition as yourself, it is quite clear, I think, that you are not on their side, and, from your postings, it would seem you are not always on your own countrymans side either!!!
I just find it rather strange that you would wish to live in someone elses country but not wish to become a part of it.
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Well said Carlan, but I think you may have a long wait for an answer from our beloved Mr Tippett. I asked a couple of direct questions to him in a post on 14/10/07 on the cement factory protest page, as of yet I have no answers. Never mind though, if this project does get stopped I'm sure Mr Tippett will be well please when he sees the vaue of his beloved property start to increase after all he does seem to be tottaly driven by cash. Why not try buying a place in Bulgaria, I'm sure you could make more money there and leave the "pesky Turks" you obviously despise so much at peace.
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Scunner, I could not agree with you more..........
.....Us Brits valliantly 'fighting on the beaches' and those pesky Turks trying to destroy us from their hillside vantage point.
The best and worst indeed.
:P:PUmmm, I suspect that Mr Tippett is actually just winding us all up here......well, I sincerely hope so. Don't waste energy on him ! I suspect he is a really a very :)nice chap, just a little bored and likes to 'dangle the carrot' now and then ;) Thats the only way I can explain his comments.:-\
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Pookie, I have the same feeling he's on a wind up.
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Or maybe his house sale has gone through and he's left us?