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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: bikerchickblonde on June 20, 2009, 17:01:50 PM
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Just a word of warning! There were two break-ins at about dawn off the school road last week!
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Thanks for the warning.
Fi
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Apparently there were 4 places involved. I hope they catch the people concerned.
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Hi, anyone heard anything else relating to the breakins anyone caught etc.
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Think those four were earlier Rindaloo ...... these are two different ones! My house is like Fort Knox now!
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This was about three weeks ago at 4am-ish on a wednesday. So, there has been two more then? Or does the date conicide with the ones you mention? Not a nice thought and makes us relieved we have the dogs. I am hoping they will be a deterrent.
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These were about ten days ago, one next door to me and one behind me.... about 0600... it was light and in both cases the residents were in bed!
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Yes the one I know of was 4am and they were in bed. They were woken up by it. A neighbour thought he saw someone on a motorbike, eyeing up the place in the afternoon. Very upsetting. The Jandarma said there were 4 attempted/sucessful THAT night, but I am sure it was longer than 10 days ago. He thought he knew who did it but haven't heard of anything since. Which is disappointing, to say the least.
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Sorry to ask a stupid question, are they breaking through security bars?
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Just to advise that burglars still at large. 2 more breakins at Cadianda Villas at 3.40am today. Occupier of 2nd villa disturbed intruders who fled into darkness. Thankfully nothing taken and no-one hurt. Jamdarma have been alerted.
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The one I know of, there weren't security bars. But they ignored (or didn't spot) the Burglar Alarm. I hope they catch the rotters soon. Be nice if they got a pummelling.
BRING BACK THE STOCKS
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it was the same last year - as soon as the holiday makers arrived and people were in residence with open windows etc. Seems they like easy pickings ie: jewellery, cameras etc that are left around. Just because Uzumlu is a sleep little place doesn't mean you can drop your guard. Be careful peeps xx
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hopefully we will be spared. We leave two large dogbowls on the veranda and the dogs loose in the house at night! Thanks for the warning though.
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It happened to us 2 years ago 3 weeks after moving in and we had a dog !
Be aware as you are not settled and organised and dogs do not put them off all the time.
They seem to pick on new comers and tourists but hopefully the increased Jandarma patrols are helping to deter them.
Apart from that we hope you are settling in well.
Fi
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Thanks Fi
Fingers crossed. Gently easing into a different way of life....
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Are all these break ins after arriving by a transfer company? Are the transfer people giving out the information about new arrivals I wonder?
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Originally posted by Daffodil
Are all these break ins after arriving by a transfer company? Are the transfer people giving out the information about new arrivals I wonder?
It may well be a factor.
We stayed in Dominican Republic a few years ago & everyone that went out on organised trips from the holiday company had their safe boxes opened & emptied.It turned out the rep had a master key for rooms & safes & gave out details of who was out on daily trips to an accomplace.
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Originally posted by lanky
Originally posted by Rindaloo
The one I know of, there weren't security bars. But they ignored (or didn't spot) the Burglar Alarm. I hope they catch the rotters soon. Be nice if they got a pummelling.
BRING BACK THE STOCKS
[ I have two dogs and full security bars but still got burgled. Be nice if someone was actually caught. Percentage wise, Uzumlu must be the crime capital of Mugla. Come on Jandarm,s, must try harder./quote]
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They caught the ones that did our house and 4 others 2 years ago, :Dput them in jail and then released them before the trail :o. At the trail we were asked if we wanted to press charges, said yes of course and the judges siad well when we catch them again we will take it to trail.[:(!]
Needless to say have heard nothing in the 2 years since...
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'on the trail of the loathesome swine':D
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Are these breakins oppotunist through open windows/doors or forced entry? Has anyone been attacked by the burglars? Seems sad that a country with recorded low crime seems to have bigger issues than is thought, just looking through the posts on the forums clearly shows there is current issues with burglary and sex pests (Calis) in the area. perhaps it is a wider issue and the crime stats are not as efficient as the real picture. Not good if they are letting go the suspects before trial hope this is not the norm lax approach to such matters, I hear increased police patrols made but it would be nice if they actually caught and jailed these people.:-\
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Ours and others on the same night were forced entry (through very easily opened patio doors as we now know).All the houses were occupied at the time, one of them having a phone and laptop taken from his bedside table as he slept next to it!
Our dog barked and we shouted at the dog to shut up and that must have scared them as they only grabbed stuff within feet of the door. We now listen to the dog if she barks...leason learnt.
They were builders that had been laid off after the May building stop deadline and were from Eastern Turkey. Speaking to the head of the Jandarma at the time it seems that the big times for break ins are May for the reason above and Oct/Nov as seasonal workers are laid off for the winter.
We fitted alarm, grills (make sure that the screw heads are welded so that they cannot be unscrewed), door & window bolts and got another dog.
It's a horrible feeling to have only 3 weeks after arriving in a new country to start a new life but we are now secure so less worried. I think that it is a major problem that the authorities need to address.
Be aware and take care with your security wherever you live.
Fi
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Thanks for update Fi.
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A lot of houses which get burgled in Ovacik are as you say new arrivals or visitors. Unfortunately they are inclined to leave lights switched on all over the house and garden. It looks as if this acts as a beacon for thieves who can then easily spot fresh pickings. Hopefully best to try to keep a lower profile.
I've just bought a PIR sensor device with an alarm in Migros for about 30 Lira it's battery operated so it's easy to fit. It won't keep them out but hopefully it'll scare them off before they can steal anything whilst we are asleep.
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Having been a victim of the latest spate of burglaries - which I believe has now reached 17+ for the month of June alone - I am very disheartend that the Jandarma are no nearer to catching the thieves. Being wakend to find an intruder in your bedroom is a terrifying experience which I would not wish on anyone else.
The recent increase in crime rate in Uzumlu is damaging for the village and many locals are as keen to put a stop to this as we are. One local businessman has offered to raise our issues and concerns with the Mayor.
Would anyone be interested in getting together for an informal chat to air views and give ideas on how best to take this forward?
Property owners who are non-resident can post their ideas on-line.
Glenda Dingwall
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I am sorry to hear of your problem......I also experienced a similar situation in Turkey several years ago. As mentioned the use of motion sensor alarms is a very good idea and I now have four covering all movement areas and they are very inexpensive. They will not stop a break in but you sure as hell will know about it if you are there and the chances are the thief will be away PDQ.
It would be interesting to know how access was gained so you can prevent it happening again.
As for catching the thieves they don't usually hang about. A mobile I had stolen was fenced in Istanbul and was found being resold in Antalya but no prosecution was made as they never caught the actual thief.
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We live in Uzumlu too. We are very aware of the breakins in the area. We will do antthing to help in anyway.
I have 3 dogs that roam the grounds 24/7. We are hoping that it is putting anyone off coming to close.
If we can be of any help please let me know.
clairelynne
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Hi Glenda sent you a e mail re these break ins and listed my thoughts/needs for the informal get together, which I think is a great idea, please let me know via here if you have not received it. Andrew
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My husband saw a male on a motorbike with a red basball cap on, don't know what he was doing up here!!!! He hung bout near our villa for a coulpe of minutes, desturbed the dogs & then merraly went on his way!!!!!
By the time pete got to gate to find out What he wanted he'd gone. We are keeping a look out for him again & neighbour informed.
We need to do something about this. There are enough retired x police men in uzumlu to surly come u with something....
My husband is a retired police man, He is willing to do anything to help
ANYONE ELSE GAME!!!!!!!
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Hi Claire, I think that Glendas (Dinger) proposal is a start to try and deal with this situation, at least we can then get a real picture of events collated. I am back out there permanently in August, but have given my thoughts to Glenda for now, as a ex police officer myself, I also would like to think we can do something ourselves to help stop this continuing situation.
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Hi Claire, Any other description other than the red cap, as it rings a little bell!
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If things are as bad as they are sounding on this thread. Which is worse than I thought it was. I think we need to make a fuss in some way, to publicise our dissatisfaction and also to make prospective thieves realise that we ARE on the alert and looking to catch someone.
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Originally posted by nicko
Hi Claire, Any other description other than the red cap, as it rings a little bell!
Well hes a pretty dumb burglar if he wears a little bell on his cap! Only joking Nick. Serious subject
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Thanks to those of you who have responded. There are also some residents who are not on the forum that are interested in meeting up so a get together would be worthwhile. Hopefully a few more will want to join in and a date and location can be arranged soon.
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If you see him again try and take a picture. I have my iphone at the ready. We live in Sokak 530. I am usually at home during the week whilst husband and son are working on the boat. My dogs seem to know "local" cars and scooters and only bark at strange ones
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Nicko. Peter said that he was probably about 20/25 years old, he could see dark hair from the bottom of his cap. he didnt see a lot as when he got to the gate the lad had gone.
Sardar our friend has spoken to the jandarma about what we saw, and is asking them what they are doing about it....
We very rarely see the jandarma where we live, Sardar has asked them to patrol up to our house and the houses around us!!!!!! well see.....
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Hi Claire, thanks but the bell just stopped ringing.
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Let us know if you organise something and we'll attend.
Fi
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I think now, more people in the area appreciate the scale of the problem. I have been burgled, and along with many others, i think some kind of meeting to discuss ways of addressing the problem can only be a good thing for all of us.
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If you are having this meeting could you post minutes,as we seen some cagey looking characters when we were over in May.Could have been from the houses being built at the back of us but who knows.We are over in two weeks.
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We went to calis last night (3rd) on our way home about 10pm ish there was a road block near the cement turn, there was at least 8 jandarma stopping ALL the traffic and searching them.We were stopped jandarma had a quick glance at us and we were moved on!!!!!
Im sure that ALL should be properly searched not just the turks.
Im sure most will agree that we have nothing to hide and would not have a problem being searched the same as the turkish.
No one knows who is responsable for these break'ins, It could be anyone and for the jandarma to catch them everyone should be treated the same!!!!!!
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We got stopped too on the way back from the quiz night and got waved on after they looked at us, I think thats enough, they know who they are looking for and its not three Englishmen and two English women on their way back from a night out,How long would you like the queue to be? Well done the Jandarmer for doing something that is if they are looking for Burglars?
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Those road blocks are common during the day or evening. But seeing as the break ins are at around 4am, I wonder if they are doing much good as I am pretty sure they wont be doing checks on the road at that time. Has anyone seen id checks done at 4am??
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The Jandarma are patroling on foot during the night as well as in vans. We are on the outskirts of Uzumlu in Bucak & don't seem to have had any problems here. We have done as much as possible to deter thieves as we would have in the UK.
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We have certainly seen the Jandarma at night on foot or in their vehicle. Which is reassuring. We have 3 dogs and extra security. Haven't resorted to bars, yet. But I don't thikk the daytime road checks are necessarily going to stop the break ins, as I suspect it is someone temporarily, or permanently resident.
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You should be OK Rindy.......You have the ultimate deterrent! When the burglar gets a ferret up his trousers he wont hang around long OR come back:D :)
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ROFL!!!! Maybe I should put a "Dikkat Gelincik" sign up.
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I dont think the daytime or early evening roadblocks in anyway deter would be burglars, but at least it is a sign that someone is admitting there is a problem in Uzumlu. As for our cars being searched, it is only right that we are all treated the same, no matter what length the queue grows to
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Yes. I must admit I wonder what the Turks think of us being waved through. Though it has been pointed out that they know what they are looking for and we aren't IT. I think we should be stopped as so many ex pats drink and drive.....
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The Jandarma definately seem to be more active at the moment - they were 'camped' outside our villa for 2+ hours in the early hours of this morning. Has anyone heard of any more break-ins since the 5 reported last weekend?
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Everyone should be stopped as it may not be Turks doing the breakins it could be any nationality & I think pointing the finger at Turks only is wrong.
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Originally posted by kevin burton
Everyone should be stopped as it may not be Turks doing the breakins it could be any nationality & I think pointing the finger at Turks only is wrong.
I agree finger pointing gets no one any where ,i saw ten people the other day all with black hair and wearing red caps!!!!all thieves i think not ;) we all should be increasing our security but until we know for sure random accusations in my opinion does not help ,and again i agree a meeting to discuss the situation is a good idea 8)Regards Calvin
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I agee Calvin, it's very easy to get on this Forum and point fingers at everyone. The Jandarma are doing their best to deter and catch these thieves. They have brought in extra men and are doing extra checks and patrols which wouldn't happen in the U.K.
One of the reasons they don't stop foreigners is because most Ex pats here can't speak Turkish and so cannot answer even the simplest questions. Most of these Jandarma are army conscripts and don't speak any language which is foreign to them.
If I went into the local Police office in my former home town and started telling them how to do their job I know what their answer would be.
These men are doing the best they can, let them get on with it.
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I think Calvin knows too much about these break ins....
Calvin where were you between the hours of midnight and 4am each night last week?
And why do you have 8 tvs in your house
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If there's that much concern, why don't you set up a watch scheme? If enough people are up for it you might only need to do one night in 14 or something. You don't need to be confrontational or put yourselves at risk, two guys walking around together at 4am with torches should be enough to make them scarper from a safe distance.
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Originally posted by saoirse
I think Calvin knows too much about these break ins....
Calvin where were you between the hours of midnight and 4am each night last week?
And why do you have 8 tvs in your house
naughty! naughty! :)
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only joking sir
hopefully see you about the village next week
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That will be good safe journey! Calvin ps need 8 digi boxes!!!!!
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Didn't want to see my post them guys?
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Originally posted by Scunner
If there's that much concern, why don't you set up a watch scheme? If enough people are up for it you might only need to do one night in 14 or something. You don't need to be confrontational or put yourselves at risk, two guys walking around together at 4am with torches should be enough to make them scarper from a safe distance.
and probably get shot at by the young recruits :( these are things hopefully that will be brought up at any meeting that is arranged.i think any Neighbourhood watch set up should only be done with the consent of the Jandame. :)
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Quite a few people are interested in meeting up which is great. Just need to agree when ... What about the Wine House on Wednesday or Thursday night at 7.30pm? Let me know what best for everyone and we'll go with the majority.
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organising times and dates on a public forum not a good idea ;)
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That's for the discussion meeting Tinx, they aren't heading out with torches then :)
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ok picture this, lets all be in the Winehouse on Wednesday night and let everyonre know our houses in the town are unoccupied.
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Burglars know who lives in each house?
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Ok - take your point........ Anyone reading this who is interested in attending the meeting, please e-mail me with a preferred date and time and we'll take it from there.
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Originally posted by Scunner
That's for the discussion meeting Tinx, they aren't heading out with torches then :)
We will carry burning torches and pitchforks
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They wont recognise the people, just the oppertunity.
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Don't forget the Winehouse Quiz again this Friday, 3rd July starting at 9.0pm. As normal proceeds to the Animal Shelter. We'll have to start sorting out some questions pretty quickly, these two weeks in between quizzes seem to pass to fast. Life is just one social whirl in Uzumlu there's no time to rest!!! Phil and Pat
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Should be there this week Phil
And you wouldn't do that would you Tinx ;)
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HAHAHA
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The buglaries are rife in Uzumlu at the moment, only trying to help.
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Don't make it this Weds as it will clash with our quiz night at the Cadianda.
Thurs ok with us.
Fi
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Hi just to let you all know that our villa was broken into last night, we are out on the Cadianda road, we are very,very upset over the whole thing, we chose Uzumlu for its peace and quite and to say we are dissapointed in the whole thing is a understatement, what we do not understand is why there are so many breakins,
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Really sorry to hear that
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Yes, that is horrible. Do you have any idea when they got in?
Best wishes to you. X
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between Sunday night and monday morning, they have taken lap tops,camera and other small bits, obviousley what they can fit on a moped
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Cadavanti, I'm really sorry to hear this. Can I ask how they gained access? Did you have any security measures in place i.e. window locks, lights alarm?
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Sorry to hear that Cadavanti - we know how you feel and it's not a good feeling. Obviously this problem is not going away!
The get together to discuss the increaing crime / burglaries in the village and what we can do to help ie: share ideas on security etc. is being held on Thursday 9th at 7.30pm in the Winehouse. The more of you who can attend the better for us all.
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It is not wise to publish date & time of meeting on a public forum as you are giving the burgalars an open invitation to rob the empty houses while you have your meeting.
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Its a good idea to take all 'nickables' to the bedroom when you go to bed, and lock the door. Maybe have window alarms downstairs too.
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sorry but can not make the meeting, would have liked to come along but unfortunatly can not make it, I see the topic is about to finish but feel it should run a little longer to let more people aware of whats going on
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Thanks for your comment Kevin - this was pointed out before. However I feel it's no different than everyone confirming their attendance at quiz nights or other functions on an open forum.
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Originally posted by cadavanti
I see the topic is about to finish but feel it should run a little longer to let more people aware of whats going on
It will not finish as long as people contribute to it. Don't worry.
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yes thursday is good choice. cos on wednesday bbq night in grape garden...
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Having been burgled myself, i will be pleased to attend the meeting on Thursday. For me, it could have been on any night of the week, as seeking ways to stop this happening to us again, takes precedance over quiz nights, bbq,s or morris dancing in the square.
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My following comments will not help our situation, but it is not just Uzumlu that has the problem. We were in Kas yesterday, talked to an expat their and they have a similar problem with break-ins. The same sitaution is happening in certain areas in the UK caused by the economic crisis and a influx of transient labour. How we can protect ourselves, property and possessions in the end will be left to the individual. As yet no-one has been hurt as far as I know, the more vigilent we are the more likely we are to confront the robbers face to face. I have been in this position once before and I was supprised at the action I took, luckily the robber was not armed. The robber has more to lose than you when confronted and what action they take could cause you harm. Also if you were to cause the robber serious injury action could be taken against you, we are under Turkey law and are living here through a visa, whch could easily be revoked.
We are on a transfer run the night in question. hope that a solution to the problem can be found.
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I think you will find under Turkish law that self defence is not taken to mean that you are guilty as appears to be the case in the UK.I for one wont hesitate if I catch some scum in my house.4x2 round the head springs to mind.
WW
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"As yet no-one has been hurt as far as I know, the more vigilent we are the more likely we are to confront the robbers face to face. I have been in this position once before and I was supprised at the action I took, luckily the robber was not armed. The robber has more to lose than you when confronted"
Err more to lose than you what if he takes the one thing you will NEVER replace your LIFE, remember he is far more desperate than you.
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Thankfully in Turkey burgulars are not drug users to the extent they are in the UK so they do less damage to property and to people in comparision to the UK. But that is not to say being burguled is not distressing; of course it is and people need to protect their property both when in it (especailly sleeping time) and when it is empty.
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Originally posted by wickwilly
I think you will find under Turkish law that self defence is not taken to mean that you are guilty as appears to be the case in the UK.I for one wont hesitate if I catch some scum in my house.4x2 round the head springs to mind.
WW
Only 4 x 2 ? you must be getting soft in your old age Willy ;)
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I was burgled when i moved out here in 2007. Luckily my dog, who sleeps in the house, alerted me to someone being there (but she is going deaf now!!) and they did scarper. But they got in the house.
They aren't the prettiest things around but I did have bars put on all the lower windows/doors. Better to be safe than sorry.
I live on the Cameli road where 6 houses where 'done' a few weeks ago. No neighbous to speak of, very quiet. I'm sure they looked and thought 'too much hassle'.
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Hope the meeting is productive tonight Glenda, if I can be of any assistance on our return in August put my name down. Also as the topic seems to be heading on self defence I remember the Chief of Police stating that you are lawfully allowed to use pepper spray against intruders, this was in reply to incidents in Ovacik burglaries and reported in Land of Lights, when a simular meeting was attended by the local Mayor and Chief of Police, not sure what interaction has been made with the local mayor and senior police officer on this but may be worth some form of contact re this issue and on their response to the problems.
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Thanks to those of you who attended last nights meeting, a special thanks to Mets at the Winehouse for arranging for the Mayor and other local businessmen to come along. Hopefully we have managed to put our concerns across in a firm but positive manner.
The information we received from them as to the steps they plan to put in place is encouraging. However, because of the nature of some of the information given to us, it would not be prudent to publish it on an open forum as you never know who might be reading it.
For Uzumlu residents and holiday home owners wishing to know more detsil, please contact me by e-mail.
Glenda
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Thanks for arranging it, Dinger. When we have the follow-up meeting, maybe we should all email and phone other residents of Uzumlu to let them know of the meeting. I hope lack of communication was the reason for a cosy turn out last night.
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Unfortunately the break-ins are continuing.
In the early hours of this morning there was an attempted break-in at the villa behind us. The people staying there must have scared them off by putting lots of lights on when they heard someone trying to get in!
However, the villa across from us was not so fortunate and the people staying there were burgled while they slept. :(
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So sorry to hear that ... we got the impression from the Jandarma that the thieves had been caught. It could of course be different people doing it. Were these incidents reported to the Jandarma?
I am trying to arrange another meeting with the Mayor for later this month and really hope as many residents / holiday home owners as possible will attend so he knows for certain that we are looking for some answers as to why we appear to be no further forward.
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Hi Dinger, yes a report has been made to the Jandarma.
Please let us know when the meeting with the Mayor is going to be, thanks.
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Hi any more about this new bout of breakins?
Its worrying not only for people there, but people back in britain.
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Please be advised, that the break-ins continue, with two properties on the Olive Garden complex, being burgled sometime last night. The usual property of wallets, cash, ipods etc, with the addition of tv's, were stolen, and the Jandarma have taken details from the owners.
The break-ins again occured in the hours of darkness, with the owners being in occupation, but unfortunately, no sounds were heard. These scumbags at this burglary forced downstairs windows with a screwdriver, or similar object, and made their entry through these windows. Please inform your friends, neighbours to buy additional lock protection, for these windows, patio doors, as this seems to be their favoured point of entry.
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Assuming these windows open inwards, why not place something, empty efes bottle, on the inner sill so if they are forced open the object will fall to the floor and smash or make enough noise to scare them off, I would assume if they saw the object they wouldn't try.
Failing that get window grills fitted!
Tinx
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2 of the apartments next door to us were entered on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, these are turkish owned/occupied and not in a tourist area, money and phones stolen. The windows of both apartments were open so not exactly a break in. It is happening everywhere, not just to holiday villas/apartments. Be on your guard.
Baz
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Further update to the burglaries at Olive Garden this morning. The two apartment owners, after having reported the matter to the Jandarma and having made statements, were informed by the Jandarma, that they strongly suspect someone from the village is responsible.
At the suggestion from one of these apt owners, I would like to throw open to comments, the idea of a reward for the arrest and subsequent prosecution of those responsible for the burglaries. His idea would be those that have been burgled, and for anyone else who feels they would like to contribute, to put forward a sum of about 100tl, which together in the Uzumlu area alone, would amount to in excess of 3000tl. If the Jandarma are correct in their assumption, that someone from the village is responsible, then someone else must also surely know who is responsible for these burglaries. This reward would be a tempting sum, for someone to come forward with a name or two. I do not know if this action, is totally legal in Turkey, but as said before, it is at this stage, just a suggestion. I look forward to any comments/suggestions.
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I would have thought if anyone knew who did it they would let you know for 100ytl, 3,000 seems a bit extreme.
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We and any one else be they Turks,Germans who look like they may have somthing to steal are prey to these people. where do they fence this stuff? and what have the police done? As its no good marking your kit with marker pens which show up under infa red as it would seem the police don't some at this from that angle.Unfortunalty it will take a loss of life for this to be stopped, and I don't think this is a one man crime way.
how many tomes have barman asked you where you are staying? you in all innocence tell them, they could then phone their mate to clear you out, while he the barman keeps you at the bar.
On a lightly note if one of the thieves is looking at this I could do with new LCD big screen tv.
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It would seem from the minimal amount of replies, that the reward scheme is a non-starter. In this case I can only hope, that those that have not been broken into (yet), have taken advice from others, re- their personal security, and not come on here, bemoaning their fate.
I also feel that the word should be spread around the village, that local businesses will suffer due to the rife crime wave re-burglaries, in that Brits and others I have spoken to are afraid to leave their properties, for fear of being broken into. Those I have spoken to, have said thay will eat in their homes, and use local amenities minimally, until those responsible, have been caught, or offered up, by those in the know. Friends of those recently burgled, have already stated, they have no intention of returning to this village in the future, and feel their holiday has been completely spolit, due to the actions of these toerags.
I and others, think more pressure needs to be put upon local people to name names to the Jandarma, and stop this rot, before it deters any more tourists and residents from enjoying, this once idealic village.
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Woodies, whilst appreciating your logic behind a reward scheme I think it would cause a lot of antaganism in the village. How do you know that Ali/Moh'd/Rashid down the road won't report someone to the Jandarma because he doesn't like him and wants him to be visited by the Jandarma?. And to suspect someone is completely different from being able to prove it.
If I was doing all these breakins I wouldn't go advertising the fact.
At the end of the day whilst most people think it is local it could be people (and there has to be more than one) from Calis, Gunlukbasi etc having a scout round during the day and then coming back at night. Nobody really knows.
I for one won't boycott the village because of this. Most of the village people here are good, honest folk who, I think, are as disgusted by this as we are.
Perhaps it's better not to advertise your movements, where you're staying etc and tell your guests, rental people etc. not to be too 'open' to friendly waiters or whoever.
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There is one more thing I would like to add and this will probably get people up in arms :o These breakins only ever happen during the tourist season so I suppose it's reasonable to assume the tourists/guests are the main targets. Surely it's the responsibility of the house owners to warn the 'guests' of the problem, tell them lock away all valuables and provide a safe for them? After all, if I'm staying in an hotel I don't leave valuables lying around my room
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Because of the high level of corruption in officialdom, i dont think the reward suggestion would work. I feel a boycot of all shops, restaurants etc, for one month, would achieve far greater results. If the locals really do like us being here, and are all honest folk, you would not need to bribe them to help us. I dont think a boycott is really going to happen though, as it would take all us foreigners pulling in the same direction. If i sound a little sceptical, how many people attended the meeting with the Mayor at the Wine House recently. It seems quiz nights and barbecues take precedence over protecting ourselves.
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Just a thought,but what happens if all the Turkish businesses in Uzumlu boycott all British people for 12 months for acting so bloody daft.?
Just another thought.British burglars take holidays.!!!
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That's a pretty ridiculous post. I am sure burglaries take place where I live, and I'm not going to use the Scottish newsagents or bakery near my house until something is done about them.
Ludicrous.
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We have a few retired policemen in the village would they be interested in visiting houses to advise on security?
Just a thought !!!
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Where did this mention of a business boycott come from? If you read my post properly, you would see I merely said that persons I have spoken to have mentioned that they will use the local businesses less, due to the fact that they will be protecting their properties more, by staying home, to hopefully prevent the burglars. Thats not a boycott, merely a reality. No-one but the burglars, are hurting local businesses, by tourists not wishing to return. A fact that local business people need to realise, and hopefully have some input, to resolve this continuing problem.
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If you read the replies I think you will find it was Lanky that suggested a boycott not Woodies.
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Originally posted by twinkle01
We have a few retired policemen in the village would they be interested in visiting houses to advise on security?
Just a thought !!!
Why should you need to be advised as to what security measures to take in your own home by policemen,it should be plainly obvious to us all,lock your doors & windows at all times & secure your valueables out of sight at all times,preferably in a safe.
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If all our houses were properly secured with window bars, window locks,alarms,padlocked gates etc and people slept without leaving doors open then the burgulars would not be able to gain access.
Your security and the security of any guests is down to the individual home owner. If your villa is secure then you can feel secure enough to go out and enjoy your holiday or daily life.
The idea of boycotting local business is just plain silly. It's not their fault.
Fi
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I understand totally where you are coming from Firo, and those security measures put in place should make individuals feel safer, but the miscreants will still not be caught. What happens to those, who for whatever reason cannot afford all the security you suugest? I still think the solution to this problem, is a joint effort from all concerned, including local businesses. Through their own network of contacts in the village, they can put the word out, that continueing burglaries, can only, ultimately damage everyone that lives/works here.
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There is no guarantee that these lowlifes are locals. When we, and 6 others, were burgled 2 years ago they caught the perpetrators in Eastern Turkey where they came from.
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another forum member had things stolen last year from Uzumu - and it was discovered that they were builders working on a house nearby. Just a thought but there is a lot of building work going on in Uzumlu at the moment....lots of builders from outside the village.
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I have 2 dogs, and full security grills all around, and still got burgled. My internal doors were locked, so they just kicked them in causing much damage. I feel i have done as much as possible to make my home safe, to no avail.I do not blame the Jendarms for the lack of results, what we need is a police presence in the village. Until that day i would consider any idea that might help to find the lowlifes who are taking the shine off living in Uzumlu, no matter how silly that might seem to some.
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How did they get through the security grills to be able to kick your internal doors down?
We had grills fitted and insisted that they welded the screw heads at the time so that the grills cannot be unscrewed and therefore removed. If anyone has grills and hasn't done this then I suggest you get it done and it makes the grills impossible to remove and gain access.
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Its so sad to read this topic, what is happening here our homes sound like they are becoming prisons ,security grills, bars, padlocks alarms,and dogs.We were not living like this back in the uk. Its such a shame that this is happening in our lovely little village..:(
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Exactly Suec, I could not agree more. Once our homes have become like mini Fort Knoxes, then what? The suggestion that the purpetrators of these burglaries come from the village, is direct from the local Jandarma themselves. The reasons we chose to live in Turkey are no doubt varied, but I would bet that value for money, and peaceful existence come near the top of everyones list. The bottom line is that these burglars NEED to be caught, and that will require the help and assistance of everyone.
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Kevin I only made the comment about the policeman as some times another pair of eyes can spot things we can't.
Has this become a forum to slag each other off ??????
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My security grills and security doors were properly fitted, with no screw heads to undo. Obviously i dont wish to advertise how they got in, suffice to say that they did. By the way, my neighbour is a retired policeman.
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Originally posted by twinkle01
Kevin I only made the comment about the policeman as some times another pair of eyes can spot things we can't.
Has this become a forum to slag each other off ??????
He hardly slagged anyone off! You gave your thoughts and he gave his. Hence "forum".
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I just wonder how some of this reads to the many Turkish members of this forum? :-\
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I dont quite understand Kevin. What some of this are you referring to?
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Woodies.I am SURE you do'nt quite understand!!.You've suggested "spreading the word around".Local businesses "need to understand".Your assumption that "local businesses" know who it is but are'nt saying.If they are not local they are from another part of Turkey!!Your "reward scheme".(you missed out dead or alive.)I'm waiting for you to start picking the lynch mob.Lankys threatened boycott of Uzumlu businesses and his knowledge of "corrupt officialdom".The general assumption that the thieves are Turkish.YOU are guests in THEIR country.Uzumlu was thriving centuries before YOU and YOUR MONEY arrived.Do'nt be so bloody insulting to thousands of locals who make most visitors welcome.Turkish members have to read your threats and insults.
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Kevin, i would like to know if you have been burgled. Myself and others who have, have been have been through a very upsetting experiance. It has changed our perception of Uzumlu sadly. Uzumlu was not thriving before the influx of foreigners, just ask to see the butchers ledger of unpaid bills. Now he has a very good supermarket in the village. We do not want to insult the locals, we just want to get Uzulu back to what it was when we fell in love with it.Have looked into lynch mobs, and unfortunatly they are illegal.
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Well Kevin, now we are getting down to the nitty gritty.I have never once said the burglars are Turkish, only that the Jandarma believe them to be from the village. That does'nt for one minute make them Turkish, I am merely quoting the Jandarma. The suggestion of a reward scheme was first sponsored by a retired British CID officer, who stated their great success in the UK. No mention has ever been made of a 'lynch mob' merely your imagination running wild. The mention of local businesses getting involved so as not to hurt their business in the future, was muted by a local business man himself. I only wish for no other individuals to suffer further burglaries due to these scumbags, but if it is to be that complacency rules, then so be it. Just look at the escalation of burglaries and robberies in Spain, where people have secured their properties as Firo suggested, only to be robbed and burglared at knifepoint, because access to their properties is now too awkward. Once AGAIN, the bottom line is these toerags need to be caught, if YOU can think of any way to assist the Jandarma, so that this village reputation is not hurt any further, please let us ALL know, rather than coming on here 'rubbishing' others suggestions,(Twinkle01), to prevent/capture those responsible.
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Yes i've been burgled.Yes i've been the victim of crime.And yes it's upsetting.But I did'nt accuse everyone in the West Midlands.I did'nt try and starve the businessmen of the West Midlands into offering up someone,anyone,that I could take my revenge out on.At best you are talking daft,and by some you could be seen as would-be Colonial Rulers.You are suggesting that every Turkish person in Uzumlu has inside information on these crimes,but they are holding out because the victims are foreign.It's insulting.And Lanky,Cadianda was'nt built with the money from Brits with second homes in the village.Show a bit of respect to the locals,and their feelings,and they may show you some.
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Just who have I accused Kevin, please come on this forum and advise everyone, as you can easily see, I have made quite clear, it is the JANDARMA, that have said it is SOMEONE (no nationality involved) from this village. I have NEVER advocated boycotts of any business, merely repeated a local business mans words, in that if the burglaries continue, tourists will cease to visit, thus damaging THEIR businesses. As for talking daft, I and others have made suggestions to possibly resolve this problem (reward scheme and retired police views), you have suggested NOTHING, but negative comments to our ideas. If you do not agree with the Jandarma and this local business person, that is your perogative, but to suggest I am like a Colonial ruler, I merely think it is you, that needs your head examining. It is easy to come on a forum such as this and be negative. this ultimately leads to further negative remarks from both sides, which will not resolve this problem. As stated before, I would like to hear YOUR suggestions, to resolving this burglary situation, rather than being completely unsupportive of others ideas.
As an aside, I will in the next few days contact a number of insurance companies, which I would think would cover some of those burgled, to hear their views as to a possible resolution. Apart from beefing up our own security, you never know, they may suggest a reward scheme, God forbid!
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Kevin, i dont think i have ever said Cadianda was built with British money, but Uzumlu has certainly benefitted from us being here. By the way, i live here, this is not my second home. So i feel, as this is my home, that i am quite entitled to seek ways of protecting me and mine. I have several Turkish friends, and they all would like to see an end to this crime wave in the village, and welcome suggestions as how to go about it. We that live here dont have the luxury of a dedicated police force like you did in the West Midlands. Name calling is not constuctive, but to compare a crime in England to one here, bearing in mind the facilities of both, can only mean that talking daft is reaching epidemic levels.
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just came across this thread.very interesting !i didnt realise there was such a problem in uzumlu.its a shame it s a beautiful place.Scunner is so right lanky you cannot boycott local business...stupid!its not the butchers fault your house or anyone elses got burgled so he should not have to pay the price.i dont have a solution to this problem but its been said just be careful when letting people know when you will not be home.it happens everywhere and being a small village its maybe more highlighted.dont know how many properties have been visited by these people or how long its been going on but its a real shame ...its so tranquil up in uzumlu.Beautiful place.Hope you all get it sorted.
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Unfortunately its not a case of not being at home and the property left unattended, they prefer to go in when people are there!!!
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Woodies, On page 11 you suggested that 'someone in the village' must know who is responsible for the burglaries and a reward may cough up a name/names.
You also said that local businesses will suffer as a consequence not using shops/staying in for meals/tourists not coming etc.
On page 14 you stated that it was a local business man who suggested a reward.
My question/comment is :- if it is local businesses who will/are suffering why don't THEY put up the reward? After all, being a local Turk with knowledge they could get the reward and help their business ;)
Before you ask yes I have been burgled. Sh*t happens whether here, UK or anywhere.
We suffer individually, they suffer collectively so why is it that the Yabanci should put up the money?
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Originally posted by peecee
We suffer individually, they suffer collectively so why is it that the Yabanci should put up the money?
I think it is that we are seen as a money tree with more wealth than locals & we will miss the money less than them.
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Peecee, you really do need to read the posts properly. On page 11 I stated that a property owner recently burgled, had suggested the reward scheme, never once a local businessman. The local businessman referred to, again stated, that "if the burglaries continue, they will ultimately damage his business,by tourists no longer wishing to come to Uzumlu". As to whether he and other businesses are prepared to propose a reward scheme, this is as yet to be seen. Perhaps the answer has been provided by Kevin.
Still awaiting answers from insurers, as to their suggestions.
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Apologies for misreading the posts Woodies but that doesn't answer the question. Why are we expected to put up the money. Has there been any suggestion that ALL concerned contribute?
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There have been three more breakins in Uzumlu in the past few weeks, but the victims don't seem to want to tell people on the forum! I believe the jandarma are aware and we now have police on bikes patrolling the village. The breakins are still happening so please do not become complacent!
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There have been 4 breakins in 3 days 1 couple have been broken into twice in 36 hours, i think the reason nothing has been posted on the forum is that they are holday makers and they dont have computers.
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I don't understand why these people havent been caught yet?
With the amount of you being broken into and at the rate at which you are being broken into for a relatively small village it doesn't make sense, they havent been caught.
Have any of you stayed up and kept watch for a couple of nights, because that is what it is going to take, a motorbike can be heard a mile away at night time and they will just lay low til the police have gone or will have had it away on their toes.
Andy
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You're right Alan, they should be caught by now.
It does seem to me that it is the tourists who are being targetted. Would it not be sensible to advise renters/guests that there is a 'spate' of burglaries at the moment. We don't have to say it's a crime-hotbed but perhaps a notice could be put in the houses advising them to be vigilant, lock everything, do not leave valuables lying around and, most of all, do not divulge where they are staying or which house So easy to mention in passing 'oh, we're staying at Villa Blogs' 'we're going on a boat trip tomorrow' etc. etc
Also,
It's only fair to let them know of the problem as it is them losing stuff, the village is getting a bad reputation and eventually people will think 'too much risk going there'.
Perhaps notices can be put in the restaurants as well?[?]
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At the quiz last night we were asked by the Jandarma to let people know the direct line to the Uzumlu Jandarma.
They want us to keep watch for any cars,vans,bikes etc parked up suspically ,make a note of the registration number, take a picture if you have a camera nearby and let them know directly. If you call Fethiye then it takes time to get back to the local officers so call them or go see them directly.
Their tel number is 0252 6655001.
I suggest you all put this in your mobiles and a copy should be left with the sensible instructions suggested by Peecee for those of you who rent out your villas and apartments.
There are only a small number of Jandarma in the village whereas there are hundreds of us so please be aware of strange vehicles or people hanging around and pass the details on. They are taking this problem seriously and they want our help to stop this crimewave in the village.
They also suggested if you live in an area of a few houses and neighbours you might want to think about clubbing together to hire a night watchman.They could vet him for you.
Think neighbourhood watch.
If we all help each other by being watchful and reporting any suspicians we could all feel a lot happier and safer in our homes.
Fi
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Hi all,
Is this problem ongoing or has it just started this year. Is it relative with the numbers of properties in village or high.
Thinking of buying in village but do not want to lock myself in every night!
Should this put me off!
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No the problem has mainly been this year. There were problems in previous years in May & Oct and the Jandarma said that this was migrating workers.
IMO it should not put you off Uzumlu as long as you take the sensible precautions here as you would anywhere else in the world.
Ovacik & Calis have had similar problems so it's not exclusive to Uzumlu.
Fi
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Thanks
Colin
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Hi everybody, we were broken into back end of June, we were broken into again this week, this time they took television, cd player,new laptop small items of jewlery,sun glasses and some money that our guests had left hidden they ransacked the bedrooms
I have said in my last mail we chose here because of the peace and tranquility, we are now concidering selling
We are also contacting the british consul to see if they can bring any presure to bear
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So sorry Cadavanti to hear that you have been broken into yet again, it really does seem like the whole break in thing is getting out of hand here in Uzumlu and its such a shame. Like you we came here for the peace and quiet of this lovely village. Who ever these thieves are they dont seem to be put off by the presence of the jandarma , or anyone else for that matter. The risk of getting caught is very slim so why should they stop, so were does it go from here ....
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Cadavanti, Sorry to hear about your burglary, what time of the day/evening did this last one occur?
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Hi
between the hours 2030 and 2230 on tues,
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It has been noted on the forum a few times that we have ex police officers in our comunity ,would it be an idea to ask their advice on home security ,and possibly for them to check on same as i am sure they have some good ideas how to make all our properties safer.Calvin
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we are going to invest in a security system that will be linked to a contact in Turkey and the uk, the system will also record anybody inside the house once the alarm i8 trigered, we are also going to put additional locks on windows and doors, if that dose not work then i do not know what next
how long has it taken to be paid out by the insurance for other victims? mine seems to be taking a age
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Sounds an effective idea. Would be interested in knowing how much electricity costs to run the system.
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most of the units are on battery with a life of 2 years, the main unit will be just like having a dvd recorder pluged in, also some of the external cameras/sensors can be solar, once we have sorted the system out I will put a post on with more details
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why not just put security lights around the house 25tl each as soon as someone walk into the area it covers, the light goes on,they turn around and leave,also put stone around your villa,when someone walks on it you can hear them.just a cople of tips.
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we have lights all around the villa that are on a timer set to come on as dark commences, as we were out when the breakins ocurred stones or chippings would not of helped in this instance
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Have the break-in's stopped since the Jandama increased security??
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i am afraid i do not know if there have been anymore break ins
We have seen increased patrols up our way, however we have no feed back from Jandarma or any other official
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The old saying comes to mind (no news is good news) :)Calvin
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At last i think i have found the real reason behind the spate of breakins in Uzumlu. The other day i was in Fethiye shopping with my wife. We went into this quite large modern shop, and was served by a very polite young man. He spoke perfect English, and asked if we lived here, we said we lived in Uzumlu. He asked if we enjoyed living here, we said yes, except for all the burglaries we have been having. He had heard about this, and went on to explain the reason behind them. Apparently it is the fault of the Turkish government, who do not give them enough money when they are out of work, or do not set a high enough minimum wage when they are in work. Therefore these young men (or women) have no option but to rob people. This young man was very sincere, and believed what he was saying. Perhaps i could suggest that all budding burglars be sent to the UK, where the government there will throw money at them, leaving us in Uzumlu able to sleep safely in our beds.
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lanky good thoughts:D
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What did they do to make ends meet before the expensive houses went up? Not a jot of sympathy from here I'm afraid.
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Originally posted by lanky
Apparently it is the fault of the Turkish government, who do not give them enough money when they are out of work, or do not set a high enough minimum wage when they are in work. Therefore these young men (or women) have no option but to rob people.
The biggest load of bull (bloody hell, that`s polite for me) I`ve ever read and believe me I`ve read some in my lifetime
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Needless to say, we left the shop almost in a state of shock. Lets hope not too many think along the same lines as he does.
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the only problems I can see with alarm systems are that electric supply failure may set them off (yes i know they have battery back up). and who will respond to alarm goung off, police? more likely turk with a gun will shoot alarm to shut it up. If it is still the uk from which most own/ rent villas etc. And Turkey still considers it wants the income from us, the government should do something about this, even if the local people don't vote for the party in power. vistors / Guests of Turkey should be respected as those in turn respect the host nation.