Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Rimms on August 16, 2014, 16:06:59 PM
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I have to state my case, I'm no shrinking violet when it comes to posting on social media sites, in fact my post here is like stating the fecking obvious. However, today we popped into a very well known Calis restaurant for lunch and sat near to a family of five, Mum & Dad and three boys aged from about six to twelve. Each of the family had their own computer tablet in front of them and we watched them eat lunch with hardly a word exchanged between any of the family.
Now, before anyone tells me it's their prerogative, I fully and 100% agree that it is.
But I must say that after growing up in a family whose parents worked shifts, we never really had many opportunities to sit and eat together, the exception was of course on holiday where we ate together and spoke constantly about the days activity and plans for tomorrow. I really felt that this family were missing out on a great opportunity to interact with each other which is something we crave with our own family who are either scattered around the world, or worse still, deceased.
I went through an era where it was frowned upon to watch TV on the odd occasions while eating a family meal, but at least if we did watch TV while eating, we could all comment on how Brucie or Bob Monkhouse were doing or laugh together at Tommy Coopers jokes, whereas this family had a private interactive TV each which effectively excluded others.
If this is the future, we for one find it very sad.
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So do i mate. ;)
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I hear you. However, on our holiday sometimes we enjoy using the wifi and catching up when we go for a meal or a drink at a restaurant. At home, every evening meal is sat at the table together and whilst on holiday, 95% of our time is spent nowhere near our phones/computers etc so ignoring my husband whilst catching up on facebook is great.....
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I posted this a few weeks ago and then stupidly reset my photo storage and wiped out all the links I have ever posted to CBF. So here it is again.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/Banksy_zpsd2fc752d.jpg)
[Banksy, 2014]
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Agree with Lynn. It's more about using the free wifi for a lot of people including us.
The future will be when roaming charges are affordable and we don't have to cram in input from the ether during our meals or when we should be chatting to each other
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Couldn't agree more Rimms.
I watched similar in June - sometimes people with a fork in one hand and a phone in the other.
Disgusting behaviour.
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Look, I apologised at the time ok!...I said I'm sorry
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But did you take a selfie of you making an apology ... and then having to apologize for taking a selfie?
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Good post George, I know exactly what you are saying, but unfortunately this is the world we are now living in. Just think, if there was no tinternet and no CBF there would be no tablets. See what I mean. ;)
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Surely rimms point was that this group were having lunch.
It's not the case that this is the world we live in, it's the world some idiots chose to live in.
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It's not the case that this is the world we live in, it's the world some idiots chose to live in.
So... because their particular lifestyle choices are different to yours, they are "idiots"?
JF
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Only 5?
Two years ago we had a family wedding in Olu, and one evening there were 14 of us having a meal at the Chinese Breeze. When I looked around the table only three people, who just happened to be the three oldest family members (including myself), were NOT engaged in some sort of internet tomfoolery or playing an electronic game. The two teenage girls were texting each other even though they were sat opposite to each other and less than six feet apart.
I mentioned the this fact to the gathering but not one of them chose to switch off and engage with the others in the old fashioned way so I just sat there and for the next five minutes made loud beep and boop noises. It didn't stop them >:(
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I just sat there and for the next five minutes made loud beep and boop noises.
Not at the table surely. That sort of thing should be taken to the toilet if completely necessary; certainly not at the table!
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So... because their particular lifestyle choices are different to yours, they are "idiots"?
JF
JF I know lots of people whose particular lifestyle choices differ from mine who are "idiots" including people who go up a mountain with the specific purpose of going back down on two planks of wood ;)
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It's not the case that this is the world we live in, it's the world some idiots chose to live in.
H, I hope you have noticed that I have resisted making derogatory comments about people who finish a sentence with a preposition. I understand such criticism does not meet with general approval across the internetted world in which we live.
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I shall not end a sentence with a preposition
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That's 10. I couldn't be bothered writing the 100 you might have asked for ;)
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(http://s27.postimg.org/iso55zi1r/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/iso55zi1r/)
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Sorry didn't mean to post pic again! Brilliant though! ;)
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Why cant the parents/people say 'OK we are eatıng now so all phones etc off'.
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What, and not let the little
brats loves have their own way? :-\
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Last week we saw a family of eight sat in one of the Italian restaurants on the front, this family had what I guess was a two year old (maximum) sat in a high chair at the table. The inevitable IPad was propped up in front of the baby on it's feeding tray, this of course gave the rest of the family time to enjoy their meal while the young one was being distracted.
We both reflected about the time when our children were a similar age, obviously no iPads around at that time but we spent the time teaching them how to behave in a restaurant environment and tempting them with new foods and even talking to each other! (How old fashioned is that?)
I'm sorry to sound so puritanical about this but I can only reflect on the holiday time I had with my own parents and brothers, even though the best we could manage was a tent in Cornwall, our holiday time was "all inclusive" if you get my drift?
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Don't even get me started on this one, I work in IT, I spend a lot of time on a PC, I have an amazing new smartphone that does all sorts of things I choose not to use! Tap, tap bloody tap everywhere and people staring into their handhelds and Tablets --arrrrggghhhhhhh Einsten was right, when technology takes the place of conversation we will have bred a generation of idiots!
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Einsten - who he? Not tapping hard enough.
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At the risk of having my head taken off, why does it appear that many children that appear to come from a more "middle class" background seem to have the ability to sit with their parents/grandparents in a restaurant/pub and be able to hold a conversation and also eat a meal in a proper fashion using the cutlery as it was designed and not with their fingers?
I know that this is a generalization but it is something I have noticed over a long period of time and I can tell by the type of eating venue I go to, in general the more expensive/upmarket the better the table manners and behaviour of the younger generation at the table.
Getting back to the original post the lack of any kind of "device" in these instances is quite noticeable against going to a more "popular venue where it is more common to see the kind of behaviour mentioned already. This is just another indication of the falling family values that have been gradually eroded over recent years, which I fine particularly sad.
I am not in any way saying that more "working class" if there is such a thing people do not have the ability to bring their children up being able to show table manners and the ability to eat out in a proper fashion but in general from my observation they don't.
Ducking now.......... ;)
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And DUCK you really should >:(.
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At the risk of having my head taken off,
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Ducking now.......... ;)
If you knew you were being offensive why did you blunder on?
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Colwyn I was making a point based on observation and not in any way blundering on and I cannot see where you thought I was being offensive. Some people take comments like this in a more serious way than they should and I cannot see where your comments add to this debate..........which is the section this was posted............
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I understood the point you were trying to make teetee and would probably have posted in the same way.
It will come as no surprise therefore that I agree with most of what you said.
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Oh that is a sweeping generalisation. Good and bad parenting, at meal times or whenever, is not something that is set or driven by class stratification. I've seen and heard plenty of middle class parents in restaurants with little or no control over their kids.
Still there is the other solution to middle class parents meal time dilemma, leave 'em at home. Just like the middle class saintly McCanns and friends did with theirs. Anyone want to take my head off on this factual observation?
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UBT it may be viewed by you as a sweeping generalization but this was an observation based over many years and in many places. I think you will find that your statement regarding good or bad parenting is a generalization.
I have also seen middle class parents with little or no control over their children, but then again I have seen considerably more other "categories" of parents with children who have had even less control.
What the McCanns have to do with this I cannot quite work out, you cannot use one example of one set of parents to label the rest.
An observation can be viewed in different ways, a fact is a fact...........
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I've seen some muddled thinking in my time, but your reply tops the lot, and you are not just confusing everyone about what you are saying, but confusing yourself more. I suggest that you check again your original post, where you yourself admit 'I know that this is a generalization'.
As to your final piece of homespun philosophical nonsense of 'An observation can be viewed in different ways, a fact is a fact'. I fell about laughing, but I can see why you keep confusing yourself over observations and facts, particularly with no recall whatever to evidence.
If you cannot work out what the Mccanns have to do with this issue then perhaps I can once again remind you what you said in your original post 'children that appear to come from a more "middle class" background seem to have the ability to sit with their parents/grandparents in a restaurant/pub and be able to hold a conversation and also eat a meal in a proper fashion using the cutlery as it was designed and not with their fingers?." In the case of the middle class Mccanns, they obviously do not.
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From my experience this is not a problem of class, it is a problem of parenting.
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UBT I think there are more words from my post than there are of yours.......but I must say that I am more than happy to supply you with a chance to have a good laugh, but I would be a little careful when falling about as you could hurt yourself ;)
As a matter of interest who defined that the McCanns are middle class?
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In newspapers August is known as "The Silly Season". It seems also to be case on CBF this year. I'm sure I've contributed to it. I know a trend when I see it; known for jumping on bandwagons; a dedicated follower of fashion.
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As a matter of interest who defined that the McCanns are middle class?
It might be their professional status as doctors that defines them as middle class, but more likely - and this is of course an observation not a fact - it has been the response of the Daily Mail, which would have crucified any member of the working class if they had left their children alone 'at home' whilst they went out to dine with their friends.
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Ah if it was reported in the Daily Mail then it must certainly be true and a fact!!
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Hmmmm, class discrimination, Daily Mail, CBF Member spat ---- have we somewhat drifted off the point a tad??
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You angling for a Moderator job JT? Of course, you've never been known to stray off topic yourself!
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All great comments about the new way of social interaction. Do you think someday someone will come up with a great idea (probably to be labelled as retro) that it's great for your health to actually speak face to face to other people at a dinner table - or anywhere. However I would like to add my own particular gripe to this topic which is people skyping or facebooking from the restaurant table and holding a 30 minute conversation - usually accompanied by phrases such as "yes we are on holiday .." , "..No just sitting here having a meal ." etc etc - all of which I have to listen to because of course they have to speak up as they are in Turkey! Appreciate I'm probably sounding old and curmodgeonly but I do feel that I have a right not to have to listen (or perhaps be part of in terms of the video) to other people's conversations - unless of course they are particularly juicy stories!!
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You angling for a Moderator job JT? Of course, you've never been known to stray off topic yourself!
Moi????? :)
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Getting back to the topic, I can understand people wanting to use the free wi-fi to keep in touch with their "other" lives whilst on holiday, but does it have to be ALL through the meal? On the other hand I'd prefer to have a youngster / child engrossed in their Ipad than running amok while I'm eating MY meal.