Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: kevin3 on February 23, 2015, 12:33:01 PM
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Three Muslim girls have bought plane tickets, took a flight from the UK to Turkey, arrived and as far as anyone knows are well.
They did this of their own free will.
Their parents and various Muslim groups in the UK are blaming everyone from the Airport, border controls,police, the Government,
and Turkey for these girls actions, but not themselves.!!
Newspapers and Televisions are full of it, politicians are "alarmed " and " concerned " and right now UK police are in Turkey searching
for them to bring them home safely.
Meanwhile in Rotherham, UK.
One thousand four hundred white girls were kidnapped, tortured, raped, abused, drugged and passed around like pieces of meat
among gangs of Pakistani men, and some of these girls were as young as eleven. This was known about by police and Rotherham
Council. The police turned a blind eye, the Council covered it up, politicians and the local Pakistani community did bugger all.
Is one group of girls safety and wellbeing more important than the other
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I saw the father of one of the girls on television blaming others.
He said his daughter told him she was going to a wedding and that it was in a place a bit far away.
Excuse me but if my 16 year old daughter said she was going to a wedding I think I would have know whose it was and exactly where it was.
If not I would have certainly asked.
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3 bloody stupid girls have gone to join ISIS. Good !
There's no reason why our police should be in Turkey, or anywhere else for that matter, to look for them.
I think the father's only upset because of the Child Benefit and Tax Credits that he'll be losing now.
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These girls know where they are going and know alll about ISIS they must have seen the videos of them cutting peoples heads off and burning a man alive. They know of the cruelty of these people, they are not ignorant. They are A Grade students.
So, let them stay out there, get married to ISIS fighters have babies in very uncivilised conditions where the women that help them give birth only speak Arabic. They seem to think they are going out to help the fight.
Really they will be used to make more ISIS fighters and their A Grades will be useless to them there.
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I think the future for these girls is a quickie 24 hour "marriage" to a jihadist followed immediately by "divorce". And then another one. And then another one. And then another one. All approved by religious authority in order to satisfy the "natural desires" of the heroic fighting men. This will go on until either the girls beg for it to stop or the men tire of them when a fresh batch of girls arrives. They will then be disposed of - by turning them loose in a hostile foreign land or finding some sin for which they can be ceremonially executed.
Grim. I can't just shrug and say "Serves them right". They are very silly children but they don't deserve that.
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They'll be no use in Paradise then. Bang goes one career choice.
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I blame the parents. Would you let your children play with or even be involved in dangerous things like guns or drugs. So why would you let them involve themselves, particularly unsupervised, with something even more dangerous.. Religion. Especially one that is a rigid, unbending, unforgiving and backward looking. Mind you that applies to all religions to a greater or less degree.
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Remember, these are kids. Their minds are not fully formed. They are easily led by their peers.
Unduly influenced by masses of propaganda from social media, the mosques and uneducated and warped interpretations of their religion.
Facebook , Twitter and others need to review what they publish and allow on their sites.
UK airport authorities and airlines need to beef up their vettingg procedures for onward travel to suspect countries.
Turkey needs to do the same for incoming passengers.
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SueHugh I haven't forgotten that they are children. Which is why I blame the parents, for allowing religion to govern not only them as individuals, but also their family and by definition their children. Also in their public life, or rather their warped view of the wider society outside their religious group, both other religious groups or individuals, and especially towards 'non believers'. Following irrational, illiberal, narrow religious teachings, made worse by isolating the religious group from the rest of society. Producing a heady cocktail of ignorance, segregation, institutionalised religious bigotry and most worrying of all a climate of hate or fear, often both at the same time.
Your practical, and indeed rational, suggestions may reduce these events, but they will not stop it. We are dealing with religious ideology here, in this case of the most lunatic type.
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Remember, these are kids. Their minds are not fully formed.
Funny how their minds were well formed enough to tell their parents that they were going to a wedding, to get tickets, get to the airport, catch a flight etc
Stop making excuses for them and their parents.
They're gone. GOOD !
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UBT - forgive me but I don't follow your second sentence.
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Personally... phuck'em. Far more important things to worry about in life than [three personally censored adjectives and a plural noun].
Am I being harsh? Maybe.
Do I care? No, not a jot.
Its almost as though IS are the latest salafi boy band, and instead of hanging about outside concert venues, these impressionable young women are flocking to parts of Syria that your average, sane, individual would avoid like the plague (muslim or non muslim).
Old pal of mine is a "high heid yin" at the main Glasgow mosque and his opinion isn't that much different from mine. Interestingly though, his opinion on the young guys who go there is different - more that its a "shame" on their parents and that their "teachers" have somehow failed them.
JF
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UK airport authorities and airlines need to beef up their vettingg procedures for onward travel to suspect countries.
Turkey needs to do the same for incoming passengers.
What you've said is just so wrong in so many different ways. Seriously, think about it.
JF
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A 16 year old girl because she matures much quicker is equal to an 18 year old boy.
These "children" were adult enough to plan the journey to Syria to get tickets and money and keep all this secret from their parents. So, I would say that these are not the actions of innocent children with unformed minds. Their minds seemed to have been very well form, some would say advanced.
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They are well educated, wear fashionable clothes, have access to the internet and media,
and will have seen the beheadings, mass murders,slaughter of children, and the burning
alive of the Jordanian pilot. They have then gone ahead with their plans and if they had
a moral compass it was left in East London. They have put two fingers up to a life in a
tolerant democratic country. We should put two fingers up to them.
Their families should be in Turkey searching for them
The police should be in Rotherham searching for hundreds of rapist's.
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UBT - forgive me but I don't follow your second sentence.
H the 'them' in the sentence, should read 'themselves' (i.e. the parents), hope that clears up the confusion.
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Sorry JF but I am not wrong. It's understandable that they may have been radicalised. Children tend to choose heroes that are different than those of their elders. Some good , some bad.
So fight the means of radicalisation
Plug the exit and entry. One of the children travelled on her sisters passport
hugh
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Looking at this another way, these kids are already brainwashed, if we stop them leaving, perhaps they will turn to terrorism in this country?
I think the answer lies in stopping the brainwashing at source.
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And locking away your kids passports.!!
Just breaking on Sky News. " It's believed they crossed the border into Syria with known people smugglers 4 days ago "
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Agree Kevin - but can a child travel at 15 without the written consent of a parent? My kids could put their hands on their passports if they wanted to - but I was assuming that under 16s can't go anywhere with any airline without parental consent. In fact, they can't fly anywhere alone even with parental consent with a large number of airlines.
I tend to agree that we should "let them go" but they are not going to what they believe they are going to - as has been mentioned they are heading for a horrific (and possibly short) life.
But my point is purely about how they have even got there while families on here have failed to find a way to get their teenage son/daughter over to Calis alone...
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In the news a couple of weeks ago a British pensioner on holiday lost his passport and got home using his bus pass.!!
Last year a " serial runaway " lad of 14 was ending up all over the world on his own. Nothing surprises me anymore
regarding our borders, in or out, and each year our border chiefs award themselves huge bonuses ( of our money )
for total failure. >:(
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Don't worry though Kevin. There WILL be an enquiry. The head of the government department chosen as scapegoat WILL be given the chance to retire with a substantial pension and lessons WILL be learnt.
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Phew.! That's reassuring. I feel much safer now.
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I see that the families of these girls are now criticising the police,no doubt they will be holding a press conference with CAGE shortly. >:(
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And then the compensation claim for stress etc will no doubt follow :-\
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I see that the families of these girls are now criticising the police,no doubt they will be holding a press conference with CAGE shortly. >:(
The police gave letters to the girls at school and told them to take them home to their parents. Which, of course, they did not do. Not the brightest bit of thinking by the constabulary.
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How did the first girl leaving for Syria and ISIS not even make the news?
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Interesting question, Scunner. It seems that the first one to go AWOL was treated simply as a missing person at first. I don't know when the police started to believe she had gone to Syria. When they did think that, the police did not release the name. Why? Newspapers still refer to her as "missing 15 year-old schoolgirl" (see example below in link). The names of the two 15 year-olds who have gone to Syria recently are known; why not the first one?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/06/syria-bound-girls-hid-police-letter-families
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I don't think the police should be blamed for three young women being totally dishonest to their parents and families.
The blame culture that has sprung up in recent years in the UK totally p####s me off. It's always someone else's fault.
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Interesting question, Scunner. It seems that the first one to go AWOL was treated simply as a missing person at first. I don't know when the police started to believe she had gone to Syria. When they did think that, the police did not release the name. Why? Newspapers still refer to her as "missing 15 year-old schoolgirl" (see example below in link). The names of the two 15 year-olds who have gone to Syria recently are known; why not the first one?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/06/syria-bound-girls-hid-police-letter-families
Also had they released information once they knew she (the first one) had gone to Syria, it would surely have let all parents of children locally (and in the same school!) know and just maybe they would have paid more attention to what their children might be up to.
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how strange i regard myself as christian i thought religion evolved as a set of rules to live by .it now has become an excuse to alienate murder torture
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no thats wrong its always been an excuse for outrage just been elevated to a new level
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I have just got home, switched on Sky news and there, sitting in front of a commons select committee, chaired by Keith Vaz MP
are the families of these 3 girls and their solicitor seeking an apology from the police, presumably to clear the way for compensation.!!
They have run out of media organisation's to bleat to and are now sitting in the commons in front of a panel of apologists.
How desperately sad that the 1,400 young girls of Rotherham were not Pakistani. They would have been heard and cared for.
As I type the families have been replaced by senior police officers who are having to explain their actions. I am disgusted.
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It's just another bloody farce.
Cam-moron will no doubt spout the usual platitudes, "Lessons learnt, Heads will roll, Support minorities, Our Muslim Brothers blah-de-blah......
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I am disgusted.
This morning I heard an explanation of why the police had not told the parents that one of their daughters' best friends had run away to Syria and warned them to be on the look-out. The explanation was that it hadn't crossed their minds! We pay these people a salary? I am also disgusted.
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Update.
The police believe the girls stole jewellery from their families to fund the trip. Well well well.
In all their press conferences the families must have forgotten to mention this small detail.
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Yep. If the families didn't know wtf the girls were doing, I can't for the life of me see how they'd expect the police to know.
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Come on KKOB, somebody's got to take the blame. The police will do, save rocking too many boats.They can't win.
Given the choice of UK police
Turkish police
Russian police
American police
Chinese police
South American police ect, I know who would get my vote, for all their faults.
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Cynical ? Us ? Nah !
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" He said tongue in cheek."
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I have just got home, switched on Sky news and there, sitting in front of a commons select committee, chaired by Keith Vaz MP
are the families of these 3 girls and their solicitor seeking an apology from the police, presumably to clear the way for compensation.!!
They have run out of media organisation's to bleat to and are now sitting in the commons in front of a panel of apologists.
How desperately sad that the 1,400 young girls of Rotherham were not Pakistani. They would have been heard and cared for.
As I type the families have been replaced by senior police officers who are having to explain their actions. I am disgusted.
You know what ? Double Phuck the lot of them !!