Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: captainjon on February 25, 2010, 06:42:32 AM
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The daily Hurriyet Economic news carries an interesting article on Turkeys attitude to current visa policy.This article is by a major contributor none other than the Director of the european Union Institute think tank based in Ankara. Also followed by a number of reader views and opinions
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Do you want to give us a link? I can't find it
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Hi Eric,Sorry just spent the last Hour trying to find it.No joy,I noted the title of the individual but not his name so search comes up negative.Dont know if the article was pulled?It was refering to the recent practice by the government of removing visa for virtualy all states on the eastern borders including what the eu would include as eastern europe up to and including Russia.All of these states have large muslim populations.It then refers to Turkeys negotiations with the EU for membership and points out that a certain amount of egg will be on their face if the eu deal improves as these visas would have to be re introduced for border controls to satisfy the shengen agreement etc etc.So who is playing games and who is bluffing.Sorry will take more notice before posting similar info in future. It does rather make a point as to who might take up take up the slack as it were if brits and other europeans were constrained with visa costs, with the possible exception that the german community enjoys.
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is is possible to check your user history to find it. I would be interested to read this :)
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I think this may be it - but after speed reading I concluded it would be helpful if one of you three explained it to me???
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/97806/-opinion-turkey-39-s-visa-policy-has-turkey-given-up-its-demand-of-free-movement-in-the-eu.html
Ian
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Whatever it may mean, I think in the short term, we can guess who will be funding the revenue lost from the countries who now have thier visa restrictions lifted.......us Brits.
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I think this may be it - but after speed reading I concluded it would be helpful if one of you three explained it to me???
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/97806/-opinion-turkey-39-s-visa-policy-has-turkey-given-up-its-demand-of-free-movement-in-the-eu.html
Ian
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After wading through the article I would offer the following observations;
1. This Turkish Government is trying to align itself more to Middle Eastern Countries
2. The same Government is either not committed to joining the EU, or does not think it will gain membership.
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What it means is, in my opinion, that someone Turkish in Turkey sees how at odds their entry visa system is with their great desire to join the border free world of the EU. Further irony is drawn from the fact that non-European countries such as Russia, Libya and so on are having visa charges for their citizens scrapped.
Turkey is a country that wants to become part of the EU, but charges EU citizens to cross its border. A country that wants inclusion into the EU freedom of movement of labour, but refuses to allow non-citizens to work. The country that wants to be part of the single market, but charges something like 40% import duty/"luxury tax" on foreign cheese. If cheese is a luxury, that explains the enormous taxes on luxuries like cars and imported electrical goods.
Nilgün Arisan Eralp for President :)
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The article is saying an assessment of this apparently condratictory situation needs to be carried out.
I think Turkey is hedging its bets and it doesn't seem so focused on EU membership as it once was in the earlier days of this govt. Maybe this is really a cunning plan to deliberately jeopardise accession talks with Europe.
This sort of thing is great for European countries who don't want Turkey in the EU to grind down accession talks even more.
I wonder if this is more to do with Turkey accessing new export markets and developing new trade agreements which are currently denied to Turkey in Europe.
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I agree with you Eric...i also believe the "ordinary man/lady of Turkiye" doesnt want to go towards Europe either...im sure that in my life time ....Turkiye wont gain a European Status...unless it changes its attitude and views a lot.!!
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I like Eric's explanation most ;)
Ps Scunner and Nichola - you must try harder not to be too wordy for the average CBF reader like me who struggles with long sentences.
Please write 200 times - "I must be less verbose and remove all traces of dubiety and conjecture from my responses"
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so you don't want my analysis of the current power struggle in Turkey or why meat is so expensive which I was getting around to sharing with you all :P
But I agreed with both Eric and Scunner too...
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I think we should have a debating evening!
I know - Mozaic Bache lokantasinda :)
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ok you're on :D
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I think the Turkish government believes that no matter what it does that it is unlikely, in the current climate,to be allowed to join the EU. Two of the main players in France and Germany do not want Turkey in the EU. This view is also supported by the Dutch and the Austrians. The only real supporter to let Turkey join is the UK.
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Why are we asked to pay £30 per month when the reciprocal charges seem much cheaper - or am I missing something?
https://www.visainfoservices.com/Pages/Content.aspx?Tag=VisaFees_PAGE
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Is this right, a visa for a Turkish national going to the UK (1-2 years) is £215.00??
If so, seems a bit unfair that we are charged nearly double!
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Originally posted by peecee
Is this right, a visa for a Turkish national going to the UK (1-2 years) is £215.00??
If so, seems a bit unfair that we are charged nearly double!
Yes, and to set up a business in the UK allows a Turk a free work visa!!!!!
Why are the Embassy not fighting our corner a bit more for (that word the Turkish Government loves to use) "reciprocacy"?
Have a look on our Embassy website http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/
The first paragraph reads "The British Government attaches the highest priority to protecting the interests of British Nationals overseas."
Does anyony know what these people in the Embassy actually do??
Apart from drink tea, attend cocktail parties and amass a huge inflation proof pension.
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Does anyony know what these people in the Embassy actually do??
Apart from drink tea, attend cocktail parties and amass a huge inflation proof pension.
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they tend to eat a lot of little round chocolates wrapped up in gold paper......
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Longer term multiple entry (1 to 2 years) £215
Longer term multiple entry (5 years) £400
Longer term multiple entry (10 years) £500
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/visafees/
Turkish nationals to establish in business - Free of charge
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Looks as though the Turkish newspapers are starting to get interested
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=weak-pound-hits-overseas-home-purchases-of-britons-2010-03-09
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a couple of interesting comments at bottom of the article too.
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At least when you apply for residency you know you will get it.When a Turk applies for a UK visa he pays his money and may not get the visa,however much it has cost,and when he applies again he has to pay again.When you also consider how much a Turkish person earns here,it also seems unfair.The path to a UK visa for a Turk is a minefield and many do not make it,my husband was fortunate to get his first time,but many dont.......food for thought.