Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Olu Deniz Discussion Forum => Topic started by: ytokgoz on March 19, 2009, 00:48:18 AM
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hello all,
as some of you know i have been working on a project oludenizguide.com over 400 years ... now i made a new design of it and have a fresher look for the website.
I am just testing the website at the moment and would like you to visit the site and tell me everything what you dont like about it, what you liked about it, grammer mistakes, missing or wrong pictures and what else would you like to see on it.
Also there is a forum about only oludeniz, like hotels, restaurants etc. For whom had stayed in any of oludeniz hotels or eaten in any oludeniz restaurants i would appreciate if you write your comments in the forum for tourists to see it.
I have asked Scunner for permission to put this post on CBF and also as cbf is a sister website to oludenizguide i put a link on calis page of the site.
Just to clearify some things;
1) it is not in competition with cbf at all as cbf is in calis and for everybody, my forum and website is for oludeniz and for tourists who would like to learn about oludeniz. I am not copying anything just trying to promote oludeniz, my hotel(lycian dreams, as you can see from adverts) and other good businesses.
2)Will i earn money from it? yes i hope so but dont think too much.
3)I am not travel agency. All the emails to hotels for bookings go directly to hotel owners and they reply
4) all the emails about dalaman transfers goes to reliable companies in fethiye and they come up with the cheapest but quality prices and i offer it to your service
5) all the emails for car hires goes to few car companies and they offer me a cheap but good price
in conclucion; i made this website, please support and promote it to everybody who would like to learn about oludeniz...
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
in conclucion; i made this website
Then you must have made this one as well... http://www.africaaway.com/
If you are going to steal someone else's code/website then at least do it properly. Not only did you steal their web site, you haven't got the basic knowledge of html/css to remove the references to their products from the code.
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<H1 class=visit_africa_title>Quick Link to Hotels in Oludeniz</H1>
Its people like you who give honest & hard working web developers a bad name.
JF
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yes u r right jf,can you teach me how to steal properly than? as it sounds like you have quite good experience about stealing websites?I wouldnt imagine to change the css tags which users can not see, but if you even know these you must be pro too. Perhaps you can show me your portfolio of stolen web sites? I am sure you would like to show me? or perhaps you would like to send it to me as private message?or meeting in oludeniz and show me from your laptop? whichever.
You sound like you are a web designer kind of thing and yes i have downloaded it from africa away template, as it is a ready made dreamweaver template(.dwt) & css on the internet found around.it is not the code that counts right now because the designs keep changing all the time and cant have the time to design new again right this time.
finally you may want to read this article "Pablo Picasso, the first living artist to be featured in the Louvre, influenced the artistic world in a uniquely original way. So why is he known for saying "Good artists copy, great artists steal"?
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visit this link http://www.sitepoint.com/article/copy-great-designers-steal/
any way thank you for you comments finally and would like to have the pleasure of meeting you personally with my cousins :)
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just remembered, also the logo is from free logo company at the link
http://www.templatesbox.com/free-logo-templates/index.htm
before you said, but they give logos for free
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Why do your cousins need to meet John F.??
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Hi ytokgoz it looks good to me for telling people about the area. I think you need to get a lot more hotels etc on board?.
But 100% better than I could do how about getting local restaurants and bars to offer discounts when booked though your site this will increase there business and maybe you can earn from it to?
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
yes u r right jf,can you teach me how to steal properly than? as it sounds like you have quite good experience about stealing websites?I wouldnt imagine to change the css tags which users can not see, but if you even know these you must be pro too.
I have good experience; from both sides of the fence. I have worked for copyright holders identifying design work and code being used without their permission and also I'm quite happy to be inspired by someone else design/code. However copying is not the same as being inspired.
A recent example - client wants "terms & conditions" for a hotel booking website. Solution - take one from an existing site and create your own using their content as a guide. Result is a unique document, over which you hold the copyright.
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You sound like you are a web designer kind of thing and yes i have downloaded it from africa away template, as it is a ready made dreamweaver template(.dwt) & css on the internet found around.it is not the code that counts right now because the designs keep changing all the time and cant have the time to design new again right this time.
Why cant you have the time to create a new design? Isn't that what its all about? If web designers simply stole each others designs wouldn't the internet be a very boring place?
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finally you may want to read this article "Pablo Picasso, the first living artist to be featured in the Louvre, influenced the artistic world in a uniquely original way. So why is he known for saying "Good artists copy, great artists steal"?
Hmmm... there is serious doubt that he actually said that, a point highlighted in that article. Also, the main focus of the article is how there is nothing wrong with taking someone elses design and being inspired to create your own from it - it does not recommend or condone stealing other peoples work.
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any way thank you for you comments finally and would like to have the pleasure of meeting you personally with my cousins :)
Tea and scones? Or am I missing the more sinister undertone to your last comment?
JF
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ytokgoz
certain comments on your post come across as untoward, JF as tried to explain to you in a nice way and this is how you respond (joking or not)
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oh my god here we go again - I don't know either JF or ytokgoz and have not looked at the website either so am not an interested party in this but just a member of CBF that does get fed up of people being so horrid to each other on here and not giving each other common courtesy.
sorry puma but you pulled ytokgoz up when in fact JF's comments were not particularly friendly to start with and I think ytokgoz did a good job of explaining himself - I don't think he said he was a web designer just that he had had a go at designing his own site - I wouldn't have the foggiest idea where to start so if I could get a template etc. for something I was trying to do that great! I do appreciate for the money-making web designers out there this does them out of a fee but we are all entitled to have a go.
Sorry don't really want to get caught up in the debate just hate the bickering and back-stabbing that goes on in this site sometimes, particularly if you are not with the in-crowd.
Had my rant - apologies if I have upset anyone - rant over.
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karen and pauline the comment i was refering too was posted by ytokgoz "would like the pleasure of personally meeting you with my cousins." not very nice whether joking or not,you just do not post in that manner
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so it's ok to accuse someone of stealing and of "giving honest & hard working web developers a bad name", I think the fact that the cousins comment had a smiley at the end may have been a hint that it was a joke.
sorry really don't want to get into this I usually don't comment but do believe that JF started it with his comments.
End of discussion for me but of course you are entitled to your views too.
Have a good evening. Karen
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hello all, especially john, i am reading this website somewhere 1 hour north of izmir calls bergama. i left home this morning about 10 oclock and still driving. thats why i am just writing a short and late reply and late.
i have been trying to organize a dog show in fethiye and visiting some important people in turkey about dog shows.
i really dont want to have an arguement but i will if have to ..
john f, i think you are right and wrong, so it depend on other people ,but
generally speaking i would like people to support this my website as it is not commercial, more like information of the area. yes how will i earn money i have got a hotel and more people come to area and know the area more tourist will come.i feel like cbf should stand by each other at most times instead of stabbing at their back.
yes people please shoot and tell your comments in manners please.
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Just looked at the website Yusuf (not that I know anything about websites!), first impression: easy to view, find your way around, good info given, a good start :). A couple of 'small' phrasing suggestions maybe (after I've slept & re-read those parts, it's late! :)).
I liked the sound of 'La Mare', may give it a try sometime soon, if I get 'mates rates' I'd even accept a glass of Krug lol ;) 8).
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Hi Yusef, looked at website and very good, maybe needs a few more hotels and restaurants, know your hotel is lovely and the food at your restaurant is great, but you, the family and Kate work hard so deserve it. he website isn,t a money earner in itself and good for you for doing it, too many people love having a go over nothing.
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Hi Yusef, good luck to you, I know how hard it is to keep a business going, unfortunately we failed and have had to move back to England, I had a lot of support from the ex-pat community and made some really good friends along the way, however, there are always going to be sad little group of people with nothing better to do with their time, its astounds me why the ex-pat community cant support each other, just ignore the negative comments and good luck to you!
Janice
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Janice - sorry it didn't work out for you. Generally if you ask for feedback you will get it on CBF- in this instance Yusef asked and he received. He got found out along the way which is unfortunate but what is the point in asking for comments if you only listen to the good? I have always found his posts enjoyable reading and thought him a valuable member but this post left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Originally posted by Janice1971
.... however, there are always going to be sad little group of people with nothing better to do with their time, its astounds me why the ex-pat community cant support each other, .....
Janice
So why than? why ex-pat community cant support each other? i know some communities in fethiye very good at supporting each other but some not, so why? i am not expat so i cant answer.
Scunner shall we move this question to a new title?
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I am stunned at this - what on earth is wrong with using a template to build a website! You either pay for the software or there are a number of hosting companies that offer you free templates when you buy their hosting facilities.
I have build a couple of websites using various templates ( for my villa & our complex), it has given me huge pleasure in doing so. I don't want to pay £100 to £500 to get one built & I want to control on what goes on it and I want to make the changes to it myself. In fact the one for the complex is quite complicated as it includes availability calendars & now slide shows, since I have worked out how to do them.
Ytokgoz the site looks good, I really like the layout & the info is clear, I like the way you navigate from page to page & it has made me think of how I organise my pages. Well done at having a go.
Regards
Lorraine
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
i feel like cbf should stand by each other at most times instead of stabbing at their back.
You stole someone else's web site. You got captured. Now how do you equate that to being stabbed in the back?
JF
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Originally posted by lmaddy
I am stunned at this - what on earth is wrong with using a template to build a website!
Absolutely nothing - but there is a difference between using a template and ripping someone's site.
How would you feel if you came across someone else using *your* website for *their* complex? Not too chuffed I expect...
JF
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I like your new site Yusef.....im sure you can build on it, it will expand when more people visit the site...good luck, you deserve it for trying to promote the area, along with all the other forums.
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here we go again....
nasty comments breed nasty comments, there is nothing like giving negative feedback and these comments are nothing like giving negative feedback.
ytokgoz member you have asked for some help- advice is read the posts who have replied, take on board the feedback, ignore the petty bickering of those that like to complain and cannot give feedback in a constructive and understanding manner, and remember techno guys get very personal about people using cyber space as if it was affecting their cyber family. Sometimes people have got realise their are more serious injustices in the real world than using something off the internet.
Good luck in what you are trying to acheive
David
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ytokgoz I have just had a look around the website and think it is very good.
Paul
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Very clean looking website.
What is the problem using the templete as I can't see one & as for stealing someones website well I would only see that as a problem if some of the text has been cut & pasted.
Good luck Yusuf.
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Ytokgoz a good website. Clear and precise and easy to navigate. My only suggestion is that perhaps fonts and pictures could be slightly larger ? My Mum was looking at it at had troble reading some of it.
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Originally posted by cef
I liked the sound of 'La Mare', may give it a try sometime soon, if I get 'mates rates' I'd even accept a glass of Krug lol ;) 8).
LOL Cef.Are these Richard Branson mates rates your on about? ;)
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Originally posted by davidzz
here we go again....
nasty comments breed nasty comments, there is nothing like giving negative feedback and these comments are nothing like giving negative feedback.
ytokgoz member you have asked for some help- advice is read the posts who have replied, take on board the feedback, ignore the petty bickering of those that like to complain and cannot give feedback in a constructive and understanding manner, and remember techno guys get very personal about people using cyber space as if it was affecting their cyber family. Sometimes people have got realise their are more serious injustices in the real world than using something off the internet.
Good luck in what you are trying to acheive
David
Well said David....good luck Yusof.
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Originally posted by yabanci
Originally posted by cef
I liked the sound of 'La Mare', may give it a try sometime soon, if I get 'mates rates' I'd even accept a glass of Krug lol ;) 8).
LOL Cef.Are these Richard Branson mates rates your on about? ;)
:D LOL, I'm sure Richard B only drinks Crystal [^], not Krug :P:D.
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dear all,
thank you very much for all your upport, i would like to have all comments but in good manner.there are even ways of saying bad things in many ways without argumentetive. about la mare..last week i had a new chef and i am thinking of opening the restaurant about 28th of april. i would like to make a CBF night and try this chef. of course the mates rates. i am doing it before the seaon so that tourist wont be around when we are eating so you cna have mates rates....
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Can you try out your chef before cbf night? ;)
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well if you are all ok next day i will hire him, if not i will cook him...
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
dear all,
thank you very much for all your upport, i would like to have all comments but in good manner.there are even ways of saying bad things in many ways without argumentetive. about la mare..last week i had a new chef and i am thinking of opening the restaurant about 28th of april. i would like to make a CBF night and try this chef. of course the mates rates. i am doing it before the seaon so that tourist wont be around when we are eating so you cna have mates rates....
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Can you try out your chef before cbf night? ;)
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
well if you are all ok next day i will hire him, if not i will cook him...
ROFL!!!!! :D
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what does rofl means?
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Roll On Floor Laughing :)
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rofl means 'Rolling On Floor Laughing'
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Snap!
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
what does rofl means?
Hi Yusof,
rofl means "roll on floor laughing" as in "I am rolling on the floor laughing at this funny thing".
Good luck with your web-site Yusof, I don't think that using that template is a major crime & there is so much freeware on the internet that it is difficult to come to terms with someone being upset about the use of a "template".
I wish you well & look fwd to meeting up with you when I am holiday in calis next month.
Cheers,
Dave
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Originally posted by davidzz
Sometimes people have got realise their are more serious injustices in the real world than using something off the internet.
David
Standard reply, it is heard so often. Does it mean that we should only care about Darfur or Gaza? Major crime and not petty theft?
I think the point being made is that this is not a website made from a freely available template but a site that has either been paid for by the owner or one that the owner built himself. In that case it is indeed stealing. If not there is not a case to answer. If I bought and paid for something (no matter how trivial) and someone else came along and took it I would expect others to think that was wrong.
Apparently not!
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Standard reply, it is heard so often. Does it mean that we should only care about Darfur or Gaza? Major crime and not petty theft?
well done for highlighting some of the injustices in the world i think people forget about the plight of the people in these places and are more concerned with trivial matters and petty bickering.
you have every right to be upset if someone took something you had paid for and did not return it to you and expect others to be sympathetic and angry with those who done this to you. The word stealing is used to describe an act of taking something with no intention of returning to the owner. With regard the topic in discussion i wuld presume the original owners still have the site so it has not been stolen. What has happened is that yusof has used information from another site and this has caused people to sit in judgement of wether this should be allowed. It is important to differentiate between humanitarian issues, physical crime, mental crime and copyright and not treat them the same. Some things are more important than others.
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Lets get started on the party nite Yusof, 28th? is it:D
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LOL!