First visit to Oben's

[Jacqui Harvey]

After 10 years we decided to give Oben's a try.  So, two G.&.T's two beers, free starter of bread and garlic butter with small meze.  Two main courses and two free coffees 79TL.   So around £20.00. and I would say the best Piri Piri Chicken I ever had.
Good service, good food. Lked the way the kitchen was behind glass so we could see it, it was lovely and clean.   Hated the earwigs that seem to drop from the overhead greenery.  I have a thing about earwigs.
Note the little gay guy who was at the Letoon 10 years ago works there now and remembered us. He is a really nice guy and it was lovely to see him again.
So, would recommend Oben very highly and will go again, but will sit under the wooden ceiling next time.   

[Highlander]

That little "gay" guy as you describe him is Efe

[Jacqui Harvey]

So why the unhappy face John, because I did not remember his name from 10 year ago?    I doubt he knows my name either, but I don't think that matters a fig.  

[Highlander]

Jacqui - not that you did not remember his name.

I just thought that it was unfortunate that you chose to describe Efe as that "little gay guy". You might have said the really nice little fella that worked at Letoon.

Perhaps it's just me  

[kevin3]

      Seconds out,  part two.             

[Jacqui Harvey]

John, calling some gay in this day and age is not a derogatory term, why should it be? 
Of course, years ago it is a word that would not have been used in a description, but we have moved on now.  We are enlightened and a lot of gay people are very glad of this.
So basically, gay, is not a dirty word.

[kawasakikid]

40 - 30

[Bluwise]

I haven't been to Obens or Letoon and never met Efe.  Can I ask how tall is he and how does anyone know that he is gay?  Does he share details of his personal life with customers or are there other factors?

[Jacqui Harvey]

I had never met Julian Clary or Ryland either.... but something tells me, I cannot quite put my finger on it,  they may be gay 

[Bluwise]

Yes, that's my point - if someone is 4 foot 6 and performing in a way commonly described as "camping it up", they are hardly likely to be offended by your description.

I understand H's reaction too.  I cringed when I read the description - not because I was offended but because I knew I was supposed to be and was waiting for the backlash.  You can't describe people by using the most obvious features that sets them apart from the majority of those around so next time someone describes me as "that big lass with the bright green nails", I'll remember to be offended.