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General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: mog on August 29, 2013, 10:59:55 AM
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having lived in Calis for 5 years, im not sure if i have actually met many of you, (Most likely as i rarely use expat bars.)
It does seem that many of you that use this forum come from "north-o the-border", i was wondering how you stand on the proposed referendum on Scottish independance.?
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I'm actually English living in Scotland and I think it is a silly idea :)
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I could not agree more despite their football being a bit iffy...
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They put it on before Match of the Day up here, if they put it on after nobody would stay up to watch it.
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I'm actually English living in Scotland and I think it is a silly idea :)
much rather it had been the Welsh, and give the English avote. :)
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Let them have it - it will save us English a fortune :)
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I consider myself British and hope to remain so. Should the vote go otherwise could CBF help those of us north of the border who seek asylum? England/Wales/Ulster/Turkey.
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I consider myself British and hope to remain so. Should the vote go otherwise could CBF help those of us north of the border who seek asylum? England/Wales/Ulster/Turkey.
NO!
Next question :)
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I'll be coming anyway. England first stop.
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I consider myself British and hope to remain so. Should the vote go otherwise could CBF help those of us north of the border who seek asylum? England/Wales/Ulster/Turkey.
i thought to claim asylum, you had to be in fear of your life, if you returned to your country. The only lives that feel threatened are the English in a Glasgow pub on a saturday night.
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I'll be coming anyway. England first stop.
LOL - we will re-build the wall asap then ;)
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I'll be coming anyway. England first stop.
LOL - we will re-build the wall asap then ;)
Make sure you get a decent quote. :)
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What a very shallow statement Stoop! You're very niaive if you think it's all about money. Can't believe the patheticness in your post. And Mog, I'm afraid you are living well in the past. Your comments about Glasgow pubs on a Saturday is exrememly immature and soooooooooo very outdated. It shows you just how closeted your views are when you think Scotland only consists of Glasgow (and it's pubs). For the record, Glasgow is jumping with Stag & Hens do's every Saturday, the majority of them from over "the border" and are welcomed and including better than you and your narrow mind could ever imagine.
If I courd be 4rsed to go on, I could write loads, but I really can't be bothered.
Further more, for the record, I do NOT want independance. We are a United Kingdom and that is what I want it to remain, not like some of you numbskulls who bump your gums without engaging your brain.
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What a very shallow statement Stoop! You're very niaive if you think it's all about money. Can't believe the patheticness in your post. And Mog, I'm afraid you are living well in the past. Your comments about Glasgow pubs on a Saturday is exrememly immature and soooooooooo very outdated. It shows you just how closeted your views are when you think Scotland only consists of Glasgow (and it's pubs). For the record, Glasgow is jumping with Stag & Hens do's every Saturday, the majority of them from over "the border" and are welcomed and including better than you and your narrow mind could ever imagine.
If I courd be 4rsed to go on, I could write loads, but I really can't be bothered.
Further more, for the record, I do NOT want independance. We are a United Kingdom and that is what I want it to remain, not like some of you numbskulls who bump your gums without engaging your brain.
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In that one rant you have just proved why most English couldn't give a toss if the Scottish go it alone.
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Toky, this was good natured banter. Up till now.
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Yes it was but I do stand by my comment that the Scots cost us money and that if they want independence then I would say let them have it.
I'm half Scottish myself and love the country and it's people but I won't let that cloud my judgement.
As for letting you over the wall JH - I'll open the door personally for you ;)
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I thought Glasgow was Scotland Toky, :o Everyone i have ever met or worked with down south were from Glasgow ;)
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Thanks Stoop.
Should the worst come to the worst I shall of course require top quality accommodation, full benefits and free access to all services.
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Thanks Stoop.
Should the worst come to the worst I shall of course require top quality accommodation, full benefits and free access to all services.
Only for the very best Malt!
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Just pointing out your lack of intelligence on the subject Stoop. Your posts are usually very interesting and informative, but you let yourself down in this one IMHO. And this is in the debating chamber after all, so in my experience of such, John H, good natured banter often leads to stronger sentiments. It would be a boring thread if it didn't occasionally. Mog, time for a geography lesson methinks!!!
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If I had a vote on who is good at banter then Toky would come top - wipe the floor with these jerks, kid!
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Who's guessed Colwyn's password :D
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Me lol
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Just pointing out your lack of intelligence on the subject Stoop. Your posts are usually very interesting and informative, but you let yourself down in this one IMHO. And this is in the debating chamber after all, so in my experience of such, John H, good natured banter often leads to stronger sentiments. It would be a boring thread if it didn't occasionally. Mog, time for a geography lesson methinks!!!
So enlighten me then with your superior intelligence on the subject. I have as much right to you to have an opinion on whether I think Scotland should get independence or not. My view is if they want it then let them have it. We might miss the odd one coming down with a chip on their shoulder but I'm sure we'll survive.
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If I had a vote on who is good at banter then Toky would come top - wipe the floor with these jerks, kid!
She might be able to give it Colwyn but she sure can't take it today ;)
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Handbags at 10 paces Stoop!!
:P
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Who's guessed Colwyn's password :D
I have difficulty in remembering it!
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Also English (well technically half Irish) but lived in Scotland longer than I have in England. I love Scotland and the people and it's a much bigger place than just Glasgow, although there is nothing wrong with Glasgow it's a great City.
I don't want independence and I only know one person in my group of friends and relatives that does. I have met and know all about Alex Salmond and I know what a bag of hot air he is. He let down a community here in my area very badly. He is only interested in one thing which is Alex Salmond getting his face in the press and on T.V. When he was our local M.P. he was useless. I know so many people who went to him, including us with issues and he talked a good story about what he would do and in the end did nothing. He got in power here with a promise of making the road from Peterhead (The major white fish port in the U.K) to Aberdeen, the Oil Capital of Europe. A dual carriageway. In twenty five years of his reign this never happened, he sat in his office in Peterhead,..doing what? Getting fat I think. Well he did claim £200 a month on his expenses for food.
I feel sorry for his wife sometimes, she often is seen the the local village in Aberdeenshire where they have a fabulous old mill home. She is kept well under wraps and is not given an airing. Oh Sorry, forgot she got taken to American for the Scottish Event in N.Y. with First Class Travel and luxury hotels all at our expense. I don't know whether it has anything to do with her being 17 years older than her husband, but I don't think this is an issue in this day and age and if Scotland did get Independence she would have to come out and stand by her husband's side. However, judging by the opinions I hear all the time I don't think we will get it.
I also think the English have idea that Scotland wants Independence and they get quite annoyed with the people living here, but the majority do not want Independence
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Thank you Jacqui. Whilst i do love the banter and enjoy a good wind up, my original question was a fairly serious one.
As i have lived here for so long i haven't had the chance to ask my Scottish freinds in the UK how they felt about it all, (the ones i could actually understand that is)
I also read somewhere that if you don't live in Scotland then you don't get a vote, which could well affect the outcome, as half of them seem to live in England. :) ;)
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Yes and English (half Irish) people like Jacqui and I do get to vote on what happens to Scotland :)
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Now, Glasgow in the mid 60s was "interesting" on a Saturday night, but its now it is a great place to be at any time day or night.
Independence for Scotland?? Where ever next, Yorkshire?.... ;)
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Toky dont mention handbags or Jackqui Harvey will be after one.
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As we are talking "Scottish" I think it would be a sporran I would be after... :) ;D
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I think that as the Scots have their own Parliament and make their own decisions on things like care for the elderly and university fees then they should go it alone. It appears that they are able to pick and choose the good bits that suits their "country" and in the meantime have a say over what goes on in England.
You are either with us or against us ;)
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Sigh, well history again, Scotland was the biggest single investor in the Darien Schemes in the 17th Century, some believed as much as four fifths of the entire wealth of the Country was lost so much so that Scotland was basically bankrupt with huge debts and the only way out of this disaster was to "sell the Country" which was in fact achieved with the act of Union.
There have certainly been times where Scots could argue that they have been exploited, the Industrial revolution through to the twentieth Century and the development of Oil and Gas but this is a biased view as a) the debts were written down as part of the Union and b) the oil and gas reserves were discovered and developed by the state as a Union
Scotland is a small country economically and with a very small population, it shows the fortitude of its educated people that as part of the Union it is able to "punch well above it's weight" within it, and command respect on a Worldwide scale. I would be concerned for the people in taking a step into Independence with no real long term surety of fiscal stability!
I have told any Scot who would listen to vote SNP to get a better deal and that has proven to work, devolution has been good for Scotland in my humble opinion and keeping Westminster aware of the power of a people is a good thing! But I do not feel it would benefit anyone for Independence to go ahead, (not a chance anyway from what I hear!).
The statements of costing England are not strictly true, over 26 years the balance between support and revenue have balanced about equal, albeit a lot of services are not included, but there is some need to support a people who certainly supported us in the manufacturing and export days of our Union quite dramatically! (I have heard that the last foundry in Falkirk has closed, please tell me it isn't so! )
As British I don't want us to lose Scotland from the Union, it is the Union that makes us all better off and I do care what happens to Scotland. It simply wont happen anyway --- I am afraid that Alex Sammond will have to look to be King of somewhere else!
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Now, Glasgow in the mid 60s was "interesting" on a Saturday night, but its now it is a great place to be at any time day or night.
Independence for Scotland?? Where ever next, Yorkshire?.... ;)
I lived in Yorkshire for many years between Huddersfield and Barnsley and I thought it already
was a Country with its own government?? :) I have always said actually that the Union consisted of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and ------- Yorkshire! :) Well being serious a better Union might be a Federal Government
and Regions, England being the South East and South West, Briton being the North and Midlands as someone in York has more in common with someone in Coventry than in Brighton!
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David Cameron has announced that he will not take part in television debates with Alex Salmond over Scottish independence. Instead, former New Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling will lead on this. Damn fine thing that an Englishman living in England should keep his nose out of Scottish politics? Perhaps, but since this Englishman has the firm conviction that Scotland should be governed from London (and hence by him for the time being), it may look like running away or hiding. I expect he realizes that showing his shiny face and glib platitudes on Scottish TV would be the strongest boost imaginable for independence supporters.
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Very good Colwyn :) Next he will be saying that as of obvious Scottish decent (Cameron) he shouldn't take part? Why don't we have the special envoy to the Middle East do it? Or is he still hiding in a lifeboat on his yacht?? Its all academic really, not going to happen and "King" Alex will have to look elsewhere for a throne! I was in Scotland recently (yes, in the bars in Glasgow --- again -- hic!) and was actually shocked at the level of hatred for the man (HRH King Alex of Scotland --- so he thinks :) !) and the lack of conviction that Independence would go anywhere --- except of course with the Students and you but that is normal as when you are young you get all excited with high ideals and nationality -- be no soldiers if they didn't!
Ahh, the exuberance of youth and high ideals --- two years ago I consulted on email archiving for a large University which would need a lot of data storage and one of the questions I asked was their " green" policy on power consumption -- the reply I got both amused and surprised me -- "Well, we had someone come here and tell us we would attract a lot better students if we were more "green" and advertised the fact --- but --- our own research showed we would get more and better Students if we burned live Panda's outside the Students Union on a Friday night" same perspective, hardly anyone really cares -- or wants Independence!
Che --- Up the Revolution!
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except of course with the Students and you but that is normal as when you are young
You are not mistaking me for someone who is "young" are you? Anyway, I didn't actually say I supported Independence. My point was about someone who claims to be a "passionate" supporter of the Union but who won't go into a public debate on the topic - so he couldn't come on this thread! I guess I would know a lot more about the pros and cons of independence if could vote - I would try to make certain I had a more informed opinion. As an disfranchised outsider I tend to lean to the independence option being better for Scotland but I don't have a soapbox for this issue.
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Just seem this post, personally i dont agree with independence, where would the money come from ? North Sea oil no, westminster will never let that go, that is what is keeping the whole country afloat, look at the likes on Spain and Greece, and for Stoops comment, cost england money, no dont think so, if not for the oil again engerland would also be in the mire but then again when it comes to money only a yorky could come away with a statemant like that.
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As the song says 'You can go your own way'
Be careful what you wish for,you just might get it.
The is greener on the other side,it just takes longer to
Go brown.
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Have to agree with you Dycedon the oil money doesn't benefit us at all, just makes everything more expensive here. It all goes down to England.
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Strange the way the English all think us folk in Scotland have decided we want to be Independent! It's Alex Salmond who has decided that. All the people I know are totally against Independence, however, this could be because he used to be our local M.P. and we all know him so well.
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You are right Jaqui, if people will take a look at the polls, the bigger percentage do not want independence, all the comments from the (english) people on here really dont know what they are talking about, it is very seldom on the news or papers doon the road so the opinions they have are ingrained into them as a superior race in the UK, so peeps have a trawl through some litrature about independence and then come back with your same opinions, as Jaqui says not ALL of us up here want independence as it will not work so watch this space 18/09/14, the big day.
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I've re-read the posts here and can't find a single English person who claims the majority of Scots want independence - let alone ALL the Scots! Perhaps people living in Scotland don't know very much about what people think "south of the border".
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Sorry Colwyn, I am English, but have lived in Scotland longer than I lived in England and it's my home and I love being here, my children and grandchild are Scottish. However, postings here seem quite hostile, just as if we all want to be away from England, which is not true. The assumption is us people in Scotland cannot wait for Independance. Just one example is Savoyboys posting which I have copied below. Perhaps living in England you don't know much about us North of the Border.
As the song says 'You can go your own way'
Be careful what you wish for,you just might get it.
The is greener on the other side,it just takes longer to
Go brown.
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Do you regard Savoyboy's little ditty as "hostile"? Good gracious me.
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I regard it as not knowing that all the people in Scotland don't want Independance. It's an assumption made by English people who have no knowledge of the situation here in Scotland. I feel, as I lived in England and now live in Scotland I do know that many people here feel hurt that the English tell us to go, and assume that is what we want. i.e. "Be careful what you wish for" however, the majority do not wish for Independance. The English are listening to Salmond and taking his view as what all people in Scotland want.
There are people on this Forum who are Scottish or who live in Scotland. I have not read any comments from them that they want Independance, all the comments are to stay as one Nation.
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except of course with the Students and you but that is normal as when you are young
You are not mistaking me for someone who is "young" are you? Anyway, I didn't actually say I supported Independence. My point was about someone who claims to be a "passionate" supporter of the Union but who won't go into a public debate on the topic - so he couldn't come on this thread! I guess I would know a lot more about the pros and cons of independence if could vote - I would try to make certain I had a more informed opinion. As an disfranchised outsider I tend to lean to the independence option being better for Scotland but I don't have a soapbox for this issue.
The "you" was a typographical typing with feet error :) should have been "young" :)
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"As the song says 'You can go your own way'
Be careful what you wish for,you just might get it.
The is greener on the other side,it just takes longer to
Go brown. "
As long as it's not Gordon Brown Jacqui :) :) Not surprised you like living there, I lived in Busby south of Glasgow for a while and really enjoyed my time there. My Daughter was very negative when her Husband was posted to Edinburgh, I spent a long time telling her that the Country was beautiful, the Education system better, the services more efficient and less Costly, the public transport in Edinburgh outstanding! (not too mention the delights of a pint of Heavy -- well OK that was for my benefit :) ) 3 years in she didn't want to leave!
What Scotland needs as does every state in the Union is a sea change of attitude and direction, a return to properly educating all our people, apprenticeships, make things (look at the Falkirk Wheeel what an engineering achievement!) and stop insisting every child wastes huge amounts of Public Money going to University just to have a piece of paper that says they have! Best way to do that is together not divided as a Union but a fair one which, without the SNP I don't believe Scotland would have got! Has it served its purpose now I wonder?
Of course we could all join our Royal Family and be --- German? They seem to have got it right there under Frau Merkel (no ribald comment anyone please!)
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I'm not a a Yorkie and resent that insult!
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Nide post John Taylor, you have hit the nail on the head, better together.
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The English are listening to Salmond and taking his view as what all people in Scotland want.
That is an absurd generalization. The notion that "The English" all think all people in Scotland want independence plain is silly. Clearly neither is true.