Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Highlander on March 27, 2011, 09:54:53 AM
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I fully understand "the damned if we do and damned if we don't" argument, but I would have been perfectly happy for the police to get their batons out and to have waded into the violent element at yesterday's march in London. The mindless violent thugs came looking for trouble and that's exactly what we should have given them. Of course the do-gooders would have moaned about police brutality but the majority in this country, I beilieve, would not have objected.
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There were 4500 police there yesterday so I'd like to know why didn't they just move in and arrest and cart them off.
I have seen the coverage and they were a relatively small crowd of people (about 300) dwarfed by the rest of the quarter of a million people that were there to peacefully protest.
I hope the media coverage gives as much air time to the issues and the reason for the need for an anti cuts march as it will to the trouble and violence...
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I was absolutely amazed Nichola:(. The police seemed merely to casually walk up to where the thugs were causing criminal damage and when they got there, just let the people walk away.
I suppose the "infiltration" was always going to happen but it did, as before, detract from the peaceful protest.
(agreeing or disagreeing with the mrach is for another topic and not this one, I hope)
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Originally posted by Highlander
I suppose the "infiltration" was always going to happen but it did, as before, detract from the peaceful protest.
:D 8) :D
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easy, spray them with indelible ink and pick them up later.
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I too am disgusted with the apparent apathy of the police nowadays.At the protest,where were the go and grab squad?Sitting behind monitors watching pictures sent to them?What a surprise that everyone was watching live law breaking,and there were no actual real police there to prevent it.The police have been neutered by past politicians.
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I can't understand why people march anyway. Nothing ever changes. Politicians will never take any notice of what the people want!
I agree with Tinx. Arrest them later then castrate them so they can't breed:D
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I'm a actually with sannyrut on this one, the state of apathy has been present in Liverpool for a long time, but I never thought they would allow themselves to be filmed in London , not doing there job, the criminals are laughing at the system, and who can blame them,
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The march which had a very serious message was still very much a fun day, with families, community groups, music and plenty of aughter.And as one of the half million or so at yesterday's march, I do get kissed off when the message of the march is dminished in part because of the stupidity of a few hundred tw*ts from the lunatic fringe.
I am not sure who is worse, the loons for their juvenile 'attacks on capitalism', or the news editors of both the press and tv, for giving them the newspace or airtime that they crave?
As to the Old Bill, same old, same old I'm afraid. There appeared to be plenty of them every few yards along the route of the march, where they were not required and the job was easy, as the march was being well stewarded by TUC Stewards. Yet where the policing job was required they continued to be bystanders..easy life on overtime rates.
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If the press and tv had not shown the footage, how would we have known that the police apparenty failed to do their jobs.
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sandgrounder Posted - 27 March 2011 : 15:06:08 I can't understand why people march anyway. Nothing ever changes. Politicians will never take any notice of what the people want!
Sandgrounder perhaps you've not felt strongly enough about an issue to make your voice heard, particularly making your voice heard on behalf of others. Thankfully there are people who will get up out of their armchairs to make a point to politicians, not just a very important right in a democarcy, but perhaps a duty as well.
Sometimes you are going to win the argument with the politicians, sometimes you are going to lose ... but it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all
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Highlander I'm not suggesting that they do not report it, but they should get it in perspective in their coverage against the main event which was a successful and peaceful march by probably half a million people. Sadly yobs kicking in windows is a regular weekend occurance on many high streets these days, but you don't see those making the front page or the main item on the news.
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Could be that the police want the march to be more successful,this time around they are also in line for job cuts.
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usedbustickets - I would say that the reports I saw did put the violence in proper perspective. So we will have to agree to disagree on that aspect I fear.
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Originally posted by usedbustickets
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sandgrounder Posted - 27 March 2011 : 15:06:08 I can't understand why people march anyway. Nothing ever changes. Politicians will never take any notice of what the people want!
Sandgrounder perhaps you've not felt strongly enough about an issue to make your voice heard, particularly making your voice heard on behalf of others. Thankfully there are people who will get up out of their armchairs to make a point to politicians, not just a very important right in a democarcy, but perhaps a duty as well.
Sometimes you are going to win the argument with the politicians, sometimes you are going to lose ... but it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all
Do you really think that Cameron and Clegg will take any notice? They will take just as much notice as Blair and Brown did when they held the Aces!
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The Government has, so far, made u-turns on withdrawing funding to school sports partnerships, anonymity for rape suspects, employing the leader's personal photographer as a civil servant, withdrawing Bookstart funding for young children, closing down NHS Direct and the sale of our national forests. In all of these the role of public protest was crucial. So, yes, protest sometimes does work.
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Originally posted by Colwyn
The Government has, so far, made u-turns on withdrawing funding to school sports partnerships, anonymity for rape suspects, employing the leader's personal photographer as a civil servant, withdrawing Bookstart funding for young children, closing down NHS Direct and the sale of our national forests. In all of these the role of public protest was crucial. So, yes, protest sometimes does work.
I think the "U-Turns" were more down to internal pressure rather than public pressure:D
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Another Government u-turn is on the way. HMG are to announce a new funding scheme to replace Educational Maintenance Allowance for the poorest 16-19 year olds. The scrapping of EMA was, arguably, an even worse attack on public education by this rotten-to-the-core government than the massive increase in undergraduate fees. Condemnation of this plan was part of the great student protest movement of a few months ago. I hope the protesters think they have won a significant victory (even if Sandgrounder may say it was all about behind-the-scenes mutterings).