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Property For Sale in Calis Beach & Turkey => Buying Property in Calis Beach, Fethiye and Turkey => Topic started by: savoyboy on May 22, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
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For 2 months we have asked to have
Swimming pool finished
Last week we were told it will
Be done.
Guess what, you've got it not
Done.
Arrrrr :(
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So I asked and said please but no
Chance.
I emailed and told them Ozlen
Will be phoning tomorrow and email came
Right back saying that we are waiting
For pumps to be delivered.
Mmm but did not say when lo.
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My neıghbours new pumps were ordered and delıvered next day by courıer.
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Still waiting for swimming pool
Pump.
Arrrrr !
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Sounds a bit fishy to me. What have you done about it?
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You will probably find that everything required by your builder needs to come from Istanbul but if you pop into your nearest pool maintenance supplier you may well find the pump you require on their shelf.
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But the property was bought with a pool included - he's waiting for the builder to complete the job.
Sometimes, I have found that things don't get done because credit limits don't allow. Just saying.
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As night follows day, so builders give you bull.....
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It's just never-ending cr*p with these jokers! :(
Hope you get it All sorted soon Savoyboy :) - Did you get your Tapu signed over OK?
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Still waiting Ozlen to get back to me about if she has manged to get Tapu singed over in my name.
And still waiting for pool to be finished,just needs pump and some other work done on the pool.
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And Manzara Construction scoff at the very idea they are in financial trouble...
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Still waiting Ozlen to get back to me about if she has manged to get Tapu singed over in my name.
And still waiting for pool to be finished,just needs pump and some other work done on the pool.
Why hasn't the Tapu been transferred to you yet? Manzarra either: Owe money they have borrowed against your property & are not in a position to repay it or, they are being unbelievably obtuse to the damage they are creating for all future prospects/projects! >:(
It's a pity you didn't post all the problems Manzarra have created for you in the one post, that would make it easier for people to see just what a bad bunch they really are :(
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No money is owed on property.
So I will e- mail Ozlen to ask her if Tapu has been put In my name yet.
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Builder has a cash flow problem,the same as me.
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Good luck to you mate,be very careful, cef may just be right ,check this out yourself ,do not under any circumstance trust the builder.
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What reason is the solicitor giving for the delay?
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No money is owed on property.
So I will e- mail Ozlen to ask her if Tapu has been put In my name yet.
Hi Savoyboy, I should have included a question about the 'Habitation cert' in my previous post (doh!) Has this been obtained yet? & how long ago was the planning permission granted? Habitation cert is time sensitive & blooming expensive to get if there are outstanding payments to be made or planning permission has lapsed!
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Ill have ask about that one.
Think it's safe to say that what ever
Can go pear shaped will do so with me and I'm
Sure the builder has got a few more
Surprises for me.
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Solicitor does not answer my emails
Unless she wants to.
I have sent 3 emails this week
Asking if the Tapu has been put in
My name.
Will try again tomo.
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As long as you haven't paid in full........
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I have just got answer back from builder.
I asked has the Tapu been put in my name and habitation been sent ?
And the answer from builder for word for word was a hour ago was 'my answer to both of your questions is NO"
Should I be worried ?
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I have sent email to builder asking if there is any good reason the Tapu should Not be put in my name
And habitation should not be sent.
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I would be Savoyboy. Have you paid all the builders money,? have you paid the solicitors fee,?Keep all your contract,receipts & paperwork safe. MANZARA CONSTRUCTION. One to avoid I think. Keep chasing the solicitor and keep all E mails.
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Thanks Kevin.
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I have been told by builder that my pool will finished on Monday, a friend is going to look on Tuesday,will
Keep you up updated.
Ozlen is in court so will have to wait to find out why Tapu has not been put in my name.
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I have sent email to builder asking if there is any good reason the Tapu should Not be put in my name
And habitation should not be sent.
I have been told by builder that my pool will finished on Monday, a friend is going to look on Tuesday,will
Keep you up updated.
Ozlen is in court so will have to wait to find out why Tapu has not been put in my name.
Is that all they said in their reply?, didn't Manzara answer your question re: Tapu & Habitation when they replied to you?
As important as the swimming pool is (along with all the other things they have not completed as per your agreement!) you paid for it & obviously want what you paid for, in good working order, but please don't lose sight of the biggest issue - Tapu & Habitation - No Tapu = you don't legally own diddly squat! No Habitation = serious expense & headache getting it paid & sorted, especially if the planning permission has lapsed!
Habitation Certificate = Simply put = That the building complies with planning permissions & is finished to the required standard (ie: that it's Legally built). Habitation cannot be granted if the builder has not paid SGK for their workers.
Don't let yourself be side-tracked from the most important issues Savoyboy (they're very good at that!) One simple question - When are you getting your Tapu with Habitation signed over into your name???
Best wishes
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Well said CEF.
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Thank you, I will ask builder and Ozlen again.
And builder said No to both questions and that's all.
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Good news we have a swimming pool
All but a bit of cleaning and filled with water.
But with this builder more bad news came today and
More Stress on the way for me.
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Peter, this is on FaceBook I hope you and others can read this.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200930499640207&set=gm.585439684810375&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200930499640207&set=gm.585439684810375&type=1&theater)
Large copy of letter, Peter why not try to contact this person on FaceBook
(http://s19.postimg.org/8b4prhmcf/manzara.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8b4prhmcf/)
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(http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/manzmirage.jpg)
Bit small but basically says, Manzara Construction have not paid their staff/site workers SGK contributions (similar to our employers National Insurance contributions in the UK) and as is the way in Turkey, habitation certificates will not be issued until this bill is paid.
Therefore they have kindly decided that the 50 owners on this particular complex can pay it for them - and they have to pay 2000 TL each or they won't be getting any living permission for the properties they bought (with a promise of full living permission).
Fairly terrible.
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I do apologise, it was much smaller and more difficult to read on Facebook, it is obviously easy to read here :)
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A very Sad state of affairs and a real shame.
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Thank you Keith.
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Will they wait till all have paıd before they apply for Habıtatıon certıfıcates or wıll they do ıt as each apartment pays.I would be wary cos ıf they waıt tıll all have paıd ıt could be a long waıt and they have your money. If you pay the money ınto the bank how do you know that they wıll use ıt for the certıfıcates.
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I agree with Quackers! You need some sort if assurance that your money will be used for the certificates.
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As far as I recall there is no possibility to apply for individual habitation certificates on a complex of individual units. The application is made for the entire project for all properties. Therefore, it could be a long way off. 50 x 2000 TL will be very difficult to obtain and the feeling from some will be that they should not pay and will not pay. Getting 50 people to sign and return something is near on impossible, so asking 50 people for 2000 TL (that they have already paid in the asking price) is not going to be child's play.
To be honest, 100,000 TL (£ 34,000) sounds like a lot but it is nothing to a developer (a single stage payment on one villa). You can read into that what you like.
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I'm really sorry to read the latest news Peter :( It's out in the open now, Manzara do have financial problems :(.
It's time to Push Very hard for your Tapu to be signed over into your name ASAP. They can sign over the Tapu now & sort the Habitation out afterwards, it's a quick trip to the Tapu office, does anyone have your POA?
Is your property on a complex & do you know how long ago the planning permission was granted?
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Ozlen has my P O A.
That was a very strange 48 hours.
On Monday Ozlen told me that builder will pay my tax and I will have Tapu by end of wheel.
On Tuesday Gamze from Manzara told me if you don't pay us 13 thousand TL you will not get your Tapu
Put in your name and you will have to wait a very long time.
I emailed Ozlen and was told you have the right to go to court
With this. Part 1.
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If anyone wants to hear Part 2 say now.
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What can Ozlen do who has POA,do to help ?
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Can Ozlen take money out of my bank account if I ask her ?
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If anyone wants to hear Part 2 say now.
now
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I'd like to hear part 2 savoyboy. not sure if i can help but someone might if they hear the facts.
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Can Ozlen take money out of my bank account if I ask her ?
That would depend entirely on what you gave POA to allow...
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Part2.
Well I think Olenwas shocked as we were.
Having been down this road before I know there is no way I'm going to start shouting.
So I asked Ozlen is there a deal to be done here ?
How about a we each pay 50/50 ?.
Let me know if you want part 3.
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Part 3 please
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Coming soon,5 min
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Sorry took so long CBFs phoning me.
I digress.
The builder agreed to pay 50/50 and will pay next week.
That's good of them a.
So I have to find out what P o A Ozlen has.
And try and pay my bit.
Think I've been sold down the river on this one.
I have asked Ozlen to over see this.
I will pay the money to her and she will deal with builder.
Wish me luck.
Peter
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On Tuesday Gamze from Manzara told me if you don't pay us 13 thousand TL you will not get your Tapu
For what?
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13 thousand TL for purchase Tax.
Does this sound right Keith ?
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I didn't think you paid that to the builder
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13 thousand TL for purchase Tax.
Does this sound right Keith ?
It's not impossible
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"QUOTES Savoyboy:
Ozlen has my P O A.
That was a very strange 48 hours.
On Monday Ozlen told me that builder will pay my tax and I will have Tapu by end of week.
On Tuesday Gamze from Manzara told me if you don't pay us 13 thousand TL you will not get your Tapu put in your name and you will have to wait a very long time.
I emailed Ozlen and was told you have the right to go to court
With this. Part 1.
What can Ozlen do who has POA,do to help?
Can Ozlen take money out of my bank account if I ask her?
Part2.
Well I think Ozlen was shocked as we were.
Having been down this road before I know there is no way I'm going to start shouting.
So I asked Ozlen is there a deal to be done here ?
How about a we each pay 50/50 ?.
Let me know if you want part 3.
Sorry took so long CBFs phoning me.
I digress.
The builder agreed to pay 50/50 and will pay next week. That's good of them.
So I have to find out what POA Ozlen has. And try and pay my bit.
Think I've been sold down the river on this one.
I have asked Ozlen to over see this. I will pay the money to her and she will deal with builder.
Wish me luck.
Peter
13 thousand TL for purchase Tax.
Does this sound right Keith ?
I didn't think you paid that to the builder (Littlereddevil)
It's not impossible (Scunner) END QUOTES:"
Peter, this fiasco is a car crash not waiting to happen, it's being planned & you are being conned!
What is this money for - Purchase Tax or Habitation? Why are you even contemplating paying anything? Manzara are too fond of threatening their clients :(
Ozlen said your Tapu would be signed over at the end of this week, then Manzara told you you won't get your Tapu or habitation for a very long time unless you pay us 13.000tl! Ozlen is then shocked! You then offer to pay half the amount demanded & they say yes!!! Why would they first demand you pay 13.000tl & then agree to pay half themselves? & what the heck IS this money for?
IMO, you need to ask some straight, simple questions & get guarantee's that any further monies will be used for whatever they are supposed to be used for (when of course you find out what that is!) & only handed over to the appropriate official (Not Manzara) when the Tapu/Habitation is signed over.
Ozlen should know, but can certainly find out very easily what value the council will put on your property. You pay 'purchase tax' on the amount the council declare it's value to be. (Of course legally it should be the actual amount of money you have paid for your property but in reality I can't see that's going to happen) I think I read that the purchase tax has been increased to 4% (someone can correct if this figure is wrong) Both buyer & seller should then pay half each, but here again in reality & taking on-board who you are dealing with it's likely you'll have to foot the 4% yourself. Your neighbours would be able to tell you what value the council put on their properties & whether they have their Habitation Certs from Manzara.
The Habitation cert is the sole responsibilty of the builders! :( That said - Ozlen should also be able to find out how much is owed (if any?)before the authorities will sign it off.
Too much smoke & bl**dy mirrors going on :( :(
Habitation Certificate - How much is it going to cost you?
Tapu - Transfer Tax - How much is it going to cost you?
I think the total of the above is what you'll be paying to get this finalised Peter. Please get Clear answers (in writing) before you start drip-feeding these vultures.......
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Was this house bought through the solicitor?
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No though agent.
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In Life we make our Own mistakes and those that say don't do this we don't listen and after thought is all well and
Good,and we like how you breez though life doing everything perfect.
I'm not like that.
I see somthing I want and like and I bumble and fumble, but I get there and most of you walk all over me and think your clever.
I have no one in life I dislike .
I'm happy.
You may turn me over and think your clever,that's nice but we will rember you and think that you were not nice.
But in the end you may have let me down.but you have let yourselfe down
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Poetic
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It was never ment to be that,just the truth.
I know I have Made mistakes in Turkey.
But somtimes I really don't need you rubbing my face in it.
I never had a bad day in Turkey and I love every moment I'm here.
I love all your help you have given me.
And those of you that think you are clever and have never made fools of yourselfe
Like I seem to do.
I wish you well and always need your wise words to tell me that I have made a fool
Of myselfe and I have been turned over yet again..
And you are so clever tell me this.
Thank you.
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Thanks Suzpuzz.
Your nice.
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Savoy,
I'm not gong to trawl through 6 pages again as I have read all the posts. I honestly thought most posters were trying to be helpful. If this came across as rubbing your face in it then I'm sure it wasn't meant.
You see some of the members have been through bad times as well. Some even worse than your predicament. This gives them a reminder of what swines some builders can be and what they try and get away with.
I honestly think most are trying to point you in the right direction having had to find out the hard way themselves which direction that is.
Good luck. Like many in the past you are due some I think.
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I agree with Stoop, I think everyone feels a massive sense of anger and frustration for you and for what has happened to you. You certainly don't deserve it. Shame on you Manzara.
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Savoyboy, I agree with Stoop and Lotty. I think there's been a lot of sympathy and help for your plight on here. You should feel supported. I know I've been reading every post as they've appeared and thanking my lucky stars it wasn't me but I haven't been feeling anything other than sympathy for you. Read the posts again and take heart from them. This is the sort of problem that people will bend over backwards to advise on when they can. You and everyone else on your complex are the innocent victims in this. In fact, if Manzara hadn't got into financial trouble themselves I'm not even sure you'd be having a problem because they seem to have been pretty honest up until then.
Best of luck. Hope you get it sorted.
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I also agree Savoyboy. One problem with asking for advice or comments is that people will offer their advice in good faith, however when you are faced with a situation and you have a solicitor or other who is directly involved offering conflicting advice then it makes things difficult as you don't know which way to go.
I really hope things turn out well for you and can only imagine the stress you must be going through. Best of Luck.
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Awh Peter, nobody on here has anything but sympathy for the situation you (through no fault of your own) find yourself in.
If anything I have posted (in good faith) is partly to blame for your heartwrenching posts, I'm truly sorry :(.
I look at your situation from a different angle, I've lived through a similar scenario & know only too well the anguish & worry, the hope & fear you are living.
The info I posted last re: Tapu & Habitation costs, is to the best of my knowledge accurate & correct based on the info you posted. If, you have been told something different by someone? tell us what's been said, someone will be able to offer an opinion/advice. There are many members here who know the property process very well, you will, I'm sure, only get honest advice & help from them.
Myself & other's have nothing to gain from you & sincerley have your best interests at heart.
Honest info & feed-back will not always be what you want to hear, it's sometimes impossibly difficult to accept the Real situation you find yourself in.
Keep strong Peter, not everybody looses the battle, you are still in with a chance but you do have a fight on your hands.
Take good care, best wishes x
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Thank you.
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Anita does not like my strange sense of humour when I just now sent my builder a email
Asking is it true that I'm being charged 40 thousand TL for air.
She says we are at war with them and this does not help.
What do you think ?
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I know she is right, but I think I'm aloud to take the p out of them as they are doing the same to me.
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Please Vote on a yes or No to take the p out of my very nice builder.
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I agree with Stoop, I think everyone feels a massive sense of anger and frustration for you and for what has happened to you. You certainly don't deserve it. Shame on you Manzara.
I agree. I have read this thread as it develops and have been very dismayed and angered. I am sure we all hope this turns out happily for you in the end. Best wishes. xXx
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Just quick update, still waiting to find if Tapu is put in my name yet.
I have sent emails to Ozlen and builder asking to get it done today.
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I too have read your posts and feel really sorry for you. I hope you get your deed today.
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No chance of getting Tapu today,just asked them yet again today.
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Just saying.
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No chance of getting Tapu today,just asked them yet again today.
Hi Peter, did they tell you that you would get your Tapu this week?
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Yes Cef,I was told Tapu would be put in my name last week.
To day I'm told Tapu will be put in my name next week.
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Really sorry to hear that Peter :(
Have you been given any reason why they have let you down again from Manzara or Ozlen?
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No Cef,
Just that it was not done, by builder.
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Their cavalier attitude to the worry & stress they cause makes my blood boil >:(
Peter, were you promised Manzara would transfer your Tapu to you if you paid the 13000tl (or 50% of this, negotiated through Ozlen) they asked for? Did you transfer more money & who did you transfer this money to?
I'm sorry to be asking so many questions I'm just trying to get a clear picture on your current situation.
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I have asked Ozlen yet again to
Get the Tapu put in my name
Not sure what else I can do to get
This done.
I will ask agent to phone her and
Ask her.
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Wow what a mess!!! these builders annoy me!! my family had a similar situation in spain a good 8 years ago and it put a huge strain on the family!
Hope everything turns out ok mate you have my thoughts and prayers with you throughout all of this!
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I have asked Ozlen yet again to
Get the Tapu put in my name
Not sure what else I can do to get
This done.
I will ask agent to phone her and
Ask her.
Same old BS then :(
Who's your agent Peter?
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Dick Turpin, by the sounds of it, but at least he wore a mask as he ripped you off !! Stick with it Peter, it just HAS to come right in the end !!
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Well the update for today is that the builder who signes the the Tapu is I believe is in hospital having
A operation.
So Anyone else in the boat we will have to wait till he comes back to work.
I'd like to say some words about this but I won't .
The fact that no one else can sign a Tapu should not surprise me.
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Can anyone tell me is it normal to have only one person in a house building
Company that can sign a Tapu.
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Still waiting to get house put in my name.
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Its gettıng stupıd now. U must be really cheesed off.
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Has anyone given you an update on when the builder will be fit to return to work?
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I asked on Tuesday and was told they done know when he will come back.
Yes I'm getting cheesed off and look forward to the end of this.
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Surely there must be someone else who can sign your tapu off.
Have you contacted the tapu office to enquire as to the procedures when something like this happens?
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I am afraid that is probably just an excuse and he is not in hospital. It seems to be the standard excuse here when a builder/worker does not turn up. It is always him/his mother/his child/grandfather/grandmother etc etc has been rushed to hospital/having an operation. 99% of the time its utter bullsh*t.
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Totally agree Eric, and the remaining 1% of the time? He has weeed off with your cash !! >:(
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Don't think there is anyone you can turn to at the Tapu office Anne.
Think that is what a Solicitor job is to if a push to get things done.
This is turning in to the never ending story.
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Builder comes back to work on Monday
I have told office that he can do
My Tapu and that I will let Ozlen know
So he can get on and do it.
Here's hoping.
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Fıngers crossed.
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Good Luck,hope it get sorted :)
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No luck today.
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Builder came back to work yesterday and sent e mail saying
'accounting cannot pay tapu cost at the moment
So we cannot transfer the Tapu on your name'
2 weeks ago I was told by builder that I would have to pay 1300 TL if I wanted the house put in my name.
So I said I want my Tapu and said I would pay 6500 TL and builder will pay 6500 TL,which builder said ok to.
I have not given this money yet and thinking to tell the builder that he has a week to put the Tapu in my name or I will withdraw my offer of paying half of Tapu .
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What does Ozlen say about thıs farce?. It is despicable that they are treating you like this. I hope they have no debts or loans on the villa. It wont do theır future business any good behaving like this.
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Trying to get hold of Ozlen,think she is in court.
No debts or loans on villa.
I think I am one of many that is in this situation.
In the end if a builder does not have any money there are few places to go with this.
I know what I have to do and I don't like it one bit.
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Please please don't hand over any money to them
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Tell them to meet you at tapu office and that once villa is in your name then you will pay the lot.
I know it's not the best solution but I'd rather have my tapu than a few thousand liras in the bank.
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Good ıdea Anne ıf he ıs ın Turkey.
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Anne
I'm with you on that and I know Ozlen will do just that.
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I have been told by agent and by Ozlen that it would be best to pay the money and get the Tapu
Put in my name as soon as possible and those in the same situation as me please do it Now,as the wolves are at the door.
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Don't pay till it is in your name though!!!!
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Ok Anne
Thank you.
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If you're not there to go yourself can you get Ozlen to go with them to the tapu office? She's very good and very thorough. She might charge but it'd be safer. Or alternatively put the money in her client account so that she can pay them when she sees the tapu in your name. There must be a safe way of doing this. I hope you get it done soon. Good luck.
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We are told yet again we might get Tapu next week Monday or Tuesday
Heres hoping.
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I'm curious... who is your agent and what are they doing to help your situation?
Incidentally, have you verified (independently) the amount of purchase tax you're being asked to pay?
JF
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Peter this is becoming extremely painful to watch, I can't begin to think what you guys must be living through. This was a part exchange deal - do you still hold ownership of the apartment you were 'trading in'?
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Painful! It's giving me an ulcer just reading these posts so can't begin to imagine what it must be like for Peter.
I have found some of it a bit confusing though - was this 13000TL part of the agreed price or an unexpected extra.
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A extra cost, I was told if I want the Tapu
I had to pay as builder has no money.
Ozlen told me to just pay the 13.000 TL
And let her pay the money to them when she
Does the Tapu.
Keith builder sold our house without us knowing.
We only found out when we went to pay council tax
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What I have said here is only some
Of the things builder has done to
Us.
We were surposed to swap houses
When we had Tapu,builder had other
Ideas like paying of money he owed
With our house.
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Remind us all who the builder is please. Sounds like people need to keep well clear.
Good luck with sorting it. What a nightmare!
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Peter, you are making things very very confusing.
You had a villa and used this in part ex-change for the new villa Built by Manzara construction, this is the only very clear information that you have provided.
So lets see if the replies you give will help you or more so others wanting to purchase a home by the same construction company or inform them to keep clear.
1. Which estate agent did you use, or did you go direct to Manara Construction?
2. Ex-change of your previous villa to Manzara. You state he sold the Villa, to do this YOU MUST have signed the Tapu over to him/his company, if not then the villa is still yours, or did you give POA to your lawyer or agent to sign away your Tapu in your absence?
3. The extra money requested, is this because you have insisted on putting the cost of the new Villa on the Tapu? other than what the lawyer or Tapu office is advising?
Yes it does hurt to read this thread, a prime example on how not to do it. Peter this is your 3rd purchase, when you make your 4th then contact Keith or Cenk first.
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Peter, Savoyboy, I have just gone over your post again.
This is important, please think carefully.
You Solicitor, did you employ her or did Manzara? is the solicitor Manzara's solicitor. I think this is the case, please please please contact a solicitor of YOUR own and one that works for YOU and YOU alone. PM me but get it sorted now from your own solicitor. Peter I am fond of both you and Anita but this time you need a slap!!!
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Peter, I have emailed you, Facebooked accepted you and sent private message, pm'd you on CBF what are you up to?
Have I hit the right note and both you and Manzara using the same Lawyer?
everyday you have given us an update on this case but since I asked the question you have gone quiet, have you taken action if the above is the case?
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Update on what now is a very boring story.
Builder told me yesterday that Tapu wil be put in my name on Tuesday 30 of July.
Ill just wait and see what happens.
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This is anything but a boring story Peter, it's a horror story we'd all rather not be reading. I wonder if Manzara Construction are aware of how many people are reading this story, and how many found us while researching builders in Fethiye to buy property from. We get over 12,000 referrals a month to CBF from Google searches alone.
All the best of luck for the 30th, I hope they are true to their word (finally). Please let us know, there are a lot of people with their fingers crossed for you.
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I agree with Scunner. It's not boring at all but terrifying. It's very frustrating to read too. Any company can have problems financially but constantly breaking their word and letting their existing customers down is going to be the thing that will close them down eventually. Let's see what happens on 30th. If they keep their word then there might be some hope for their future. Good luck savoyboy.
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Hi this is the invisible lady here, as my post can not be seen it will not matter that I state the obvious.
Never use the same solicitor as the builder. As Peter is aware of this and refuses to confirm, I will, as I am invisible ;)
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;D Not sure whether he did or not Loz because it's not clear on here. The only thing I would say is that, as he's using Ozlen, I hope not because I think of her as very trustworthy and efficient and I'd hate to think that she'd be underhanded like that. I'd be surprised too.
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Thank you all.
I don't think the builder gives a fig on who says what or who reads what about them.
Lets not forget I'm paying 13.000 TL to get the Tapu put in my name.
So lets see maybe it might happen because builder wants money.
Im sure there will be some more surprises to come for me.
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It's not a question of being honest - I can tell you from personal experience that Ozlen is beyond honest, she can be trusted with your life.
It's a question of conflicts of interests. Ozlen will do what is possible for Peter in the circumstances - but the circumstances (may be) that she is the lawyer of the builder. With that comes a duty of care to them too, which is the basis of Loz's advice above.
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I don't think the builder gives a fig on who says what or who reads what about them.
Oh trust me they do - they threw all the toys out of the pram last time someone shared their experiences of Manzara on here and Facebook!
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Totally agree with Keith re. Ozlen.
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Maybe I should've said it's the buyer the builder does not
Give a fig about.
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Yes, get your point Keith. Very good advice Loz.
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But do we know for a fact that Ozlen
Is builders lawyer ?
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Well as she is YOUR lawyer you are in the position to ask.
Did you sign your lawyer POA to sign the part ex-change property to the builders name? surely if her main allegiance was to you then a lawyer would have informed you. You are paying her bill so you should be aware.
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Will wait till Tuesday to see what happens
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...and?
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SAVOY BOY , HELLOOOO! ARE you still with us ???? :angel: :angel:
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Celebrating :)
Or
Commiserating :(
Come on Pete, tell us it's the better of the two :o
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Still waiting to hear from builder and Ozlen.
Shame !
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Builder just emailed me and said Tapu will be done some time after Byram,does anyone know when Byram is finished ?
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8th aug
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Thank you terrie.
Both the builders (owners) are out of the office till August 12 and Tapu will be done some time after
This,can't give me a date yet.
Think owners have gone on Holl
So I'm paying 13.000 TL if I want to get the Tapu in my name and I have to wait untill time can be made for
The builders to go to Tapu office. Nice.
Still never found out why it was not done on Tuesday.
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So I said I want my Tapu and said I would pay 6500 TL and builder will pay 6500 TL,which builder said ok to.
But now you are paying all of it...?
No surprise you were let down again.
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Yep Keith arrrrrrrrrrrrr
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I will not be surprised if house is sold on in the mean time.
Nice earner for the builder.
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I will try and go and see Ozlen on Friday,but she has not answered my emails so she may
Be on Holl,or very biss at work.
Not sure there is anything more I can do.
As always builder has the upper hand.
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Peter, you have a choice; sit there, do nothing & wait for the worst to 'happen' to you or, do something pro-active like at least getting someone who's 'independent' of this fiasco, to find out what the situation really is for you. That's actually Very easy to do & will not cost you very much & if the situation is as bad as you fear, will at least save you handing over even more money.... I know it's scary..... but you really do need to 'bite the bullet' before you - some of us, have a breakdown.
The 'lawyer' you are using is usually in France for several weeks at this time of the year & incommunicado.
The 'builders' are still just giving you Bull---
PS: Just seen your latest post Peter which suggests you are or will be in Turkey on Friday? Please.... get somebody to check the situation out for you now.
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Hypothetically talking.
*If* a construction company is to go bust, the issuing of title deeds to customers slows and eventually of course ceases completely. The bank will generally be owed large amounts of money and will seize all assets. Properties paid for but not transferred in title are assets of the company, not the client - whether or not they have paid in part or full. The bank will take the properties and sell them to help recoup debts owed.
In these situations Peter, the people who react earliest to the possibility are the only ones who stand a chance.
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This is all just a load of bull ****. Please get yourself another lawyer ASAP and I recommend Şule Beder
http://www.sulebeder.av.tr/
By the way Bayram starts on 8th August most people back at work on the 12th
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Would I have to wait until after Bayram to buy one too? Nah, thought not.
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I will go to builders office on Friday,if buillder has poa and he is away I can't see what I can do till
He gets back on the 12 August.
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I see your point Keith.
I wounder how meny other people are in the same boat ?
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Quote Savoyboy: " I wounder how meny other people are in the same boat ?
Don't just wonder Peter Phone Sule.........
http://www.sulebeder.av.tr/
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We saw Sule yesterday as people say not cheap but she gets on with the job in hand, only first visit but she,s stirred things up for us go on Peter get in touch with Sule , NOW.!!!!!!
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Interesting that on the Sule link attached that the English and Irish can purchase in Turkey, no mention of the Scottish and Welsh!
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Interesting that on the Sule link attached that the English and Irish can purchase in Turkey, no mention of the Scottish and Welsh!
The Turkish are obviously fussy who they let in Simon. ;)
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Obviously NOT, they let you in, did they not ?? ;) 8)
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Wish us luck tomorrow maybe Tapu day
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Good luck Peter
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Good Luck...
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Best of luck Peter
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Good luck, and if it's not tapu day make it Sule day. ;)
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What are the odds on Peter being told ; " so sorry, person to sign your Tapu over still on Bayram holiday, maybe one week later, he will come " ?? !! Sorry Peter, but you are being "led up the garden path", in a garden which you do not even legally own !! Well, someone had to say it !! >:( CHANGE YOUR FECKIN' LAWYER, my friend.
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Fingers, toes, legs, arms, eyes, in fact EVERYTHING crossed for you! x
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Don't fall over Lotty!! ;D
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Good luck!we wait with baited breath :)
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Good luck, I hope you get your tapu today.
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Best of luck Peter.
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/Drum roll...
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Come on then, we cant wait, is this the end of the saga??
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Does anyone know if he got his deed?
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My guess would be No! :(
although he could still be out celebrating :)
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I really hope he did!!!
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Somehow I don't think he has been celebrating as surely he would have been shouting it from the rooftops by now after all he has been through!! I really hope that I'm wrong and that he is still so hungover from excessive partying that he hasn't had the energy to even turn on his computer, never mind log on to CBF!! Lets hope we hear some good news soon.
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Peter, this is really annoying, you posted on here every day sometimes more than twice when you needed advice. members, myself included have advised you, the best I gave was hiring your own Solicitor, yet you have not replied. Not only out of nosiness, it is concern for other buyers using this construction/developer or lawyer.
Peter, SavoyBoy, where are you?
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Sorry have been very biss.
Still waiting for Tapu !
Arrr
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What a nıghtmare for you.
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Have been told today that I get my Tapu next Thursday or Friday.
Will keep our fingers crossed.
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Is there any reason to believe this will happen more than the last few promised dates that came and went?
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Nop.
No reason at all.
Only hope.
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Well good luck from us Peter, I will get Mrs Scunner to pray for your turmoil to finally end next Thursday or Friday.
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Wow thank you, that should do it.
Who knows this could be the time
It gets done.
Cheers
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Peter I really hope that this time it will happen and you will be the legal owner of the property you have paid for. If it should not happen please contact the other lawyer mentioned in this thread.
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Let us know and we wıll have a beer to celebrate with you. Everythıng crossed for you.
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I sincerely hope that this time it happens ???
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Wow thank you, that should do it.
You'd be surprised what a prayer from Mrs Scunner has achieved in the past :D
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Days on end of alcohol-free living for example. ;D
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Fingers crossed!
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I really hope, and fingers crossed for you Thursday/Friday, but should this not happen PLEASE contact the other mentioned lawyer to work for you.
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Thank you all,a big help.
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Thank you all,a big help.
judging by the time of the post, still no good news... barstewards..
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I think he meant next Thursday/Friday.
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Yep,Hoping I'll be ok now I've got a Scottish Dame praying for me,
guss what I sent a yank of to westminster
Abbey to light a candle for me,and a one to saint Paul's.
Gosh I need all the help I can get now.
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Really surprised at this as had always heard your solicitor was red hot and capable of getting blood out of a stone
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She is, and honest as the day is long. I suspect the problem here is that she's in a difficult situation as she appears to be working for savoyboy and the builder at the same time. That'd be a tough call for anyone. I don't suppose this practice will ever be banned but it should be. You can't do it in UK. I bought a flat from my sister about 3 years ago and my "usual" solicitor was already acting for her. I had to talk him into acting for me and he only did it because she was my sister, she said it was ok and she moved across to one of his partners. One solicitor representing both sides, can't be good news.
Savoyboy, Ozlen's brilliant but this is a job for Sule.
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Ozlen is Not working for builder !
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:-[
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Oh that's interesting. Loz was asking earlier in the thread. Maybe I missed your answer. I assumed no answer meant yes.
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Well if that is the information you have you now have the info to ask who their lawyer is, and name them, the more info out there the better. Also, if that s the case why is she not giving you more information and pushing for a result?
I was given the information that Manzara were her main client.
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Does not look I'm going to get my Tapu this week.
Agent phoned builder and was told maybe next week.
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Well if that is the information you have you now have the info to ask who their lawyer is, and name them, the more info out there the better. Also, if that s the case why is she not giving you more information and pushing for a result?
I was given the information that Manzara were her main client.
What she said. 100%.
Does not look I'm going to get my Tapu this week.
Agent phoned builder and was told maybe next week.
Ok, maybe not the most polite way to say it, but you are having the pish ripped out of you. Go and see Sule else you'll be doing this thread from now till Xmas... 2018!
Its up to you, take advice, or dont,
Good luck whatever,
JF
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I feel so sorry for you . I hope you dıd not gıve them the 13.500tl they wanted . Please speak to Şule.
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I too, am very sorry you do not have your deed yet. I really hope they get it sorted soon.
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You can lead a horse to water...you must be pretty thirsty now Peter. Having seen the pain these situations cause, nobody has more sympathy for you than I Peter.
But you are not listening. You were advised exactly what to do weeks (around 3 promises?) ago and you have not accepted that advice. You need to ask WHY this big, secure, professional company won't simply hand over this insignificant (to them) little piece of paper (from hundreds they have sold).
As every day goes by, others have positioned themselves to the front of the queue to try and ensure that if only a few get their paperwork, they'll be one of them. You are going further and further back in said queue, despite the advice of people who really do understand the process and situation better than you.
I wish you every success in getting what is rightfully yours (you paid for it, that normally means you bought it), but this topic is like Groundhog Fortnight and you insist in keeping it that way while your investment slips through your fingers and you stand watching it go - so with some regret I must say that this will be my last comment on the topic. Good luck, with every day that passes you need just a little bit more.
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Thank you Keith.
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So sorry for the stress you are being put through but are you as laid back as you seem or have you just given up? You have been given good advice on here and some replies have been aimed at "getting some fire in your belly".
Get in touch with Sule - what have you got to lose? OK it will be more money, but if in the end if you get a result it will have been money well spent. Fight for what is rightfully yours, don't let is slip away.
Hope the next post from you it to tell us about positive action on your part. Sule is excellent - go man go.
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C'mon, please don't give up Savoyboy? Fight for what's yours, Marggie is so right as is Scunner, it's frustrating for everyone that you seem to have just accepted defeat, . . . get ANGRY!
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I 110% agree with the 2 women above. Just go with the womens intuition and get some fight behind you because like Scunner rightly said your going further and further backwards each week and your bank balance seems to be getting less and less!!!
You wrote on here to vent your fustration and I also assume to get help so take the help with everything you have and do something about it mate!!
All the best and good luck
Dave
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The builders Lawer is Koray Hayvaci.
Ozlen helping 7 of us at this time get our Tapu.
I believe a bank is stoping builder getting our Tapu which I'm told builder has been paid and waiting for some stamp
To say everything's ok,I'm told next week Tapu will be done.
I still believe Ozlen is the best one to be with.
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Dear CBF members who quoted on this forum that I am working for the builder (Manzara) at the same time with my client Savayboy.
I am Ozlen, the lawyer, mentioned.
According to Turkish laws as a lawyer for me to work on behalf of someone I should hold a power of attorney signed by this person or legal entity in the presence of a public notary.
I want from who quotes in this forum that I am working for Manzara, please let me know in which public notary of Turkey and with which reference number this power of attorney is issued.
If there is no such power of attorney then those please apologize for writing this in this forum.
To act on behalf of both sides is not legal under our laws and I have never done or not will do any illegal acts while I am executing my qualification. Most of the members of this Forum already know how trustable I am.
It is very easy to write such things but you need to think about how this will affect this person's reputation.
Peter I will email you personally about this. You should contact me directly or tell your complaints directly to me. You also know that I am doing my best to get your Tapu and I guarntee that you will get your tapu.
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As I have just said Ozlen is the best person to get my Tapu and that's why I am still with her.
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Sorry Ozlen. Added 2 and 2 together and got 5. Savoyboy, you have an excellent lawyer there.
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hopefully all will end well for you savoyboy
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There you go now, a solicitor "guaranteeing" you will get your Tapu.
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Sadly, Savoyboy, we're going through the same traumas trying to get our Tapu :( and although our builder is not the same as yours, they use the same tactics i.e. " you'll get your Tapu...soon, maybe next month, maybe sometime... " (maybe never unless you take them to court). So frustrating and that is putting it mildly!
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I am Ozlen, the lawyer, mentioned.
Peter I will email you personally about this. You should contact me directly or tell your complaints directly to me. You also know that I am doing my best to get your Tapu and I guarntee that you will get your tapu.
The burning question is 'WHEN' will Savoyboy, actually get his Tapu?.
Hopefully Savoyboy, won't have a heart attack with all this stress & worry before this happens :(
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I have been informed by my current lawyer that Manzara have gone bankrupt. Has your solicitor told you this?
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Saw that they have made a couple of posts on their Facebook page on 8 Aug
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Manzara-Construction/154609714629811
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8th August 2012 I think HM
Last one I can see was an advert for one of their projects with this as a reply:
"Jens Schwarz-Nielsen Dear Manzara, I have stood up for you when people were talking bad about you. I have put up with broken promises and sloppy workmanship (like I am now due to actually paint my apartment which is currently white-washed so rain goes straight into the wall). But I wasn't upset about any of that.
I am now!
I have just received a letter from you telling me that I have to pay extra to get my Habitation Permit because YOU haven't paid you Social Security contributions!
You know what, not this time. This time I will not stand up for you, or accept you dodgy business methods. This time I shall see you in court and this time I shall share my experience with others."
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This link helps to understand the process & what's involved in getting a Hab cert, Savoyboy.
http://voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5913
Not having a Habitation certificate for the property, is Not the reason you haven't been given your Tapu, the habitation cert is nothing to do with actually having paid for & the fact that you should already have your Title Deeds/Tapu signed over & put in your name (costs involved are 4% Tax at declared value, not the actual cost of the building to you).
Even if/when you get your Tapu, you are probably going to have to address the Habitation problem as a separate issue :(
Best wishes & very good luck.
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Cef, you are a mine of information!
As you know, we are going through similar agonies to Savoyboy, but with DeskaGlobal, not Manzara. I have just been informed by our lawyer that we do not have our habitation certificate because Deska does not have the money to pay. We do not know how much this will be. Looks like we'll have to get together with the owners of the 5 other villas built by Deska at the same time as ours and pay up - we'll have to get their contact details from the Tapu office presumably - none of them live in Turkey and 3 owners are Russian and don't speak a word of English.
The document re getting a Habitation Certificate is daunting! Don't think we could get all that documentation ourselves even with a Turkish translator - we'll need to do it through a solicitor and by the look of it, some will only be available from the builder and other offices.
We'll find out tomorrow what loans Deska has taken out against our Tapu, how much money they owe to SGK and which documents are wanted by Belediye - a never ending nightmare. To get our Tapu and habitation certificate, we must pay their debts!!! (if we can afford it).
Like Savoyboy, we have been led up the garden path and shamelessly lied to time after time.
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Do you have the other owners email address (russian) and I can find you a russian speaking translator. We used him for the sale of the villa next door when I was POA.
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Quackers! You are amazing! Unfortunately I don't have their email addresses - have only "passed" by one of the three families as we're usually not there at the same time. The woman had young children and did not reciprocate my wave. Maybe Sule (yes, taken your advice) will be able to get contact details from the documents she will look at tomorrow. We have contact with Martina and Michel, the German couple who may be at their villa now, but if so they are due to go back soon. Needless to say they too are having problems e.g. 4 days of their holiday with no electricity and they have been back and forth to belediye offices etc. We'll get back to you if we need Russian translation, thanks. I'll also be in touch by pm re other matter.
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Way to go Artymar! :)
Totally agree that Quackers is 'one of the best kind' :)
Good Luck x
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Good luck Artymar
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Wishing both Savoyboy and Artymar good luck.
It's time that the Turkish and the British Govt got involved to stop these daylight robberies.
I would not like to be in Artymars builders shoes....it's bad enough to rip off British Citizens, but to cross the Russians? just asking for trouble.
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I asked again what builder needs 13.000 TL for and what it's paying.
Builder told us Tapu maybe done after Wednesday !
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Thank you Mary
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I would not like to be in Artymars builders shoes....it's bad enough to rip off British Citizens, but to cross the Russians? just asking for trouble.
r
And one person in one of the Russian families works for the Russian government, I believe. Maybe he can bring some heavy guns or maybe Sule will do the job instead - here's hoping.
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At least, after today, you will know what you are facing and how much you will need to pay. Good luck to both you and Savoyboy. Sending positive thoughts.
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Thanks, Marggie. We'll know a bit more after today, but not the full extent. Fingers crossed.
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I asked again what builder needs 13.000 TL for and what it's paying.
Builder told us Tapu maybe done after Wednesday !
Any news on this Savoyboy? Finger's etc, still crossed for you.
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Still waiting for Tapu,and 13.00 TL is for house tax.
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The builder is just stringing you along, trying to get more money from you, holding up the Tapu as a carrot. What does your lawyer say?
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The lawyer made a post here Arty
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Still waiting for Tapu,and 13.00 TL is for house tax.
Sorry SVB but it's not clear who's given you this info, builder, lawyer, agent?
I think the 'Property Purchase Tax' is now 4% (paying the Tax should be split 50/50, but that's obviously not going to happen!) who & how are you being asked to pay these further monies to? & are you being guaranteed that this money will only be paid (to the correct officials) on receipt (& not before) of your Tapu?
If it was all as easy as this, why wasn't it done when you were there recently (again) in person?...........
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I hope this issue is now sorted. Have you been to Manzara offices and spoken to them? We bought one of their first projects in 06 and had no probs at all and certainly not with the builders. Even 4 yrs later, they replaced a couple of double glazed units for us but we did go their office and not via solicitor or estate agents.
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Where is the Manzara office? One in Tasyaka is empty.
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Round the back , upstairs , well they were 2 weeks ago ..
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Good news today we have our Tapu.
Thanks to Ozlen.
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Well she did promise you she'd get it :)
I must say many people feared the worst including me with the news and stories coming out of Manzara, Well done Ozlen and congratulations Peter, it must be a massive relief for you guys and a great weight lifted - you can enjoy Christmas fully now.
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Great news Savoyboy,
when will you be posting out our party invites.??
;D ;D
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Congratulations Peter, fantastic news & such a relief for you :)
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Lovely to hear your good news, Ozlen is a true professional
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Well done Savoyboy. Its great to see a good news tapu story for once.
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At last. Congratulations
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Yeah.... great news a happy ending for a change :D :)
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Oh that's fantastic!! What a relief! ;D ;D ;D
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I'm all choked up for you Savoyboy. You've had a really rough time and we've all been on that journey with you! Now you can RELAX and enjoy! x ;D ;D ;D
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Can you let us have your address so we can pop round to celebrate!! Very good news at last!!
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Splendid :)
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Excellent news; very happy for you :D
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Brilliant.. Lets hope you can eventually move on from this...
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Soooooooooooooooo pleased for you. You must be one happy chappie!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well I've been reading this saga from the start but never posted before.
Really pleased for you, a happy ending after all. Now to relax and enjoy yourselves. :)
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Crack open the champs! Well done!
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Marvellous news - so relieved for you and delighted too.
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Fantastic news. Very happy for you guys. ;D
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Great News..a Merry Christmas to you!
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Fantastic news Peter, chuffed to bits for you ;D
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Congratulatıons ,now its tıme to chıll.
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Been watching this thread with interest and am very happy for your successful conclusion. Count my lucky stars every day that our experience was so easy and straight forward, even though we jumped in with both feet. I cannot understand why, if a relatively small local builder can get it so right as in our case, why does a large company like Manzara cause so much hassle. >:(
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Because they got far too big, far too quickly.
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Because they got far too big, far too quickly.
Keith I asked a mutual freind a few years ago, why he did not sell Manzara houses, he replied they are growing far too fast with the banks money and it will end in tears.
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Just a update we have our Tapu as said and awaiting habitation,just hope we will get it soon.
Manzara have said we will have it in a few weeks,wonder if I should believe them ?
With roads and foot paths and gardens being done now looks like we have a nice place to live,we are told all
Work will be finished by April.
It would nice to get habitation and move on now !
Thanks everyone for all the help you have given us over the past.
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After the long wait I am sure it will all be worth it ....enjoy ;D
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Fingers well and truly crossed for you, savoyboy.
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We are still waiting for our habitation.(it's coming shortly I'm told)
We have just spent a small fortune on hopefully getting ride of damp and had the house painted properly
With 4 coats of really expense paint.
Will let you know if damp comes back.
After paying 1000 TL to have some earth and what small grass we have reseeded and £900 for years Maintenance
Grass has mostly been taken over by weed and stands 3 foot high,swimming pool is green and was in danger of overflowing and pump house is full of water.
Maintenance man does not answer phone,messages or emails.
Anita is over hopefully trying to make some sense of above.
Think next year we will be looking for new maintenance man.
Sometimes I wonder is it a good idea to pay the whole years
Maintainace money in one go.
And I for one would like garden as small as is looked
After all year round.
Not when I just come over.
But I suppose that's one of the problems of not
Being there all the time.
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What is wrong with these people. We hear these things all too often. Savoyboy, our thoughts go out to you. Lets hope you get some closure on this, and find a good maintenance company. I am sure there are some out there, who are willing to make a reasonable profit and not rip people off all the time. >:(
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You seem to have had terrible luck with your property, I admire the fact that despite all the problems, you haven't turned tail and run. I would probably have been sectioned by now.
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I would suggest you hire a new maintenance company and offer to pay in arrears. £900 ! In my opinion, that is absolutely ridiculous. We have a good size shared pool here and a gardener/handyman who works 6 days per week, even through winter. Our pool in the season is cleaned and treated every day and is immaculate, our gardens are well kept and well illuminated at night and the hefty sum for all of this 50tl per month.
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Sounds good Rimms,we will make sure we don't pay the £900
All in one go next year.
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You seem to have had terrible luck with your property
Terrible luck?Peter may have made some decisions that didn't work out as planned, but he got his Tapu out of Manzara (with Ozlen's expert help) so can consider himself one of the luckiest men alive!
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A2Z property services are our management company and do a very good job we pay 60tl a month on a complex
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Yep I'll go alone with that Keith,all in all with the Tapu and getting the house build the way we wanted,with the
Underfloor heating and tinted windows,and I'm happy with the luxury of it all.
Yes we had a bumpy ride most of the time but the end result is better than we could have every hoped for.
Would I even try to get a house build off plan agiain,No way !
And we have found our missing Maintenance man,he has had personal problems and he will put everything
Right I'm told.
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Rımms ıs that 50tl per property on the complex or 50tl for the whıle complex. Most pay 50%begınıng of the season and balance near the end of the season. Would you pay ın arrears ın UK.
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Savoyboy, sorry to pour cold water on your Tapu, but my understanding is that you'll find it almost impossible to sell your property without the Habitation - which is the really difficult part to get. We have our Land Tapu (like you) but even with Sule's best efforts, we're still waiting on our Habitation. We do, however have our own electricity supply, so our builders, Deska Global, can no longer threaten us with turning our electrics off!
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We have our Land Tapu (like you)
I'm pretty sure it isn't a land tapu he has.
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I thought there were 2 parts to the Tapu: the Land part and the Habitation….
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No locally there is generally land, then Kat Irtifaki then Kat Mulkiyeti (please excuse any spelling howlers Cenk etc) - I would imagine Peter is holding the Kat Irtifaki one, which in my understanding is (vaguely) a tapu for a property that has been legally approved and built, but has not been signed off for living in (hence the requirement for habitation certificate/living permission). Slightly more positive than a land tapu.
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I'm pretty sure, then that we have our Kat Irtifaki one in that case, still not the full Kat Mulkiyeti. Seems though, that we can still occupy it.
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Probably - the crosses in the boxes on the tapu will normally tell you (but not always) - there was a time when nobody seemed that bothered by living permission - but things became tougher. If it helps, there must be hundreds of occupied properties in the Fethiye area that have no living permission. But as you correctly pointed out, these days a property without living permission is very difficult to sell. Not impossible by any means, but expect to get a pretty poor price.
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:'(
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No need for tears - if you have Kat Irtifaki your biggest worries are gone. Whatever happens, you own it - that's the biggest hurdle cleared. The process for moving on to full tapu are in my opinion often dark, secretive and involve cash only transactions. But most importantly, it can be done.
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Seems a sorry state for anyone to be in over Easter.
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Don't worry Peter, I'll be fine ;)
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Does this mean we can get electric and water put in our names or does it mean if we can't we just keep
Getting cut off ?
Till we pay,last time I paid most of the other 3 houses bill to get turned on,Manzara seemed to enjoy
Telling me I'd paid others electric bill.
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Good to hear your be fine Keith.
Hopefully what does not kill us makes us stronger a.
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Just a update on Crystal villa
We are still waiting for our
Habitation .
We wonder how long we can be left
Waiting for it ?
We are 4 villas without habitiaton
And paying the electric is a real pain
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And getting worse - I think the difference between construction electricity rates and residential is getting significantly wider?
Thanks for the update Peter.
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When we owned a flat in Tasyaka, our original Tapu was Kat Irtifaki but we were able to get the water and electricity in our own names.
We later upgraded the Tapu to Kat Mulkiyeti, fortunately the hab certs were in place, we just didn't have a copy from the builder, but sorted it at the Belediye.
As I recall a lot of running around to upgrade Tapu, and cost us around 500 TL, we were helped by our Turkish friend otherwise we would have been lost.
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We have phoned manzara today and spoke
To Ramazan (part owner with his brother)
He told us that we will have habitation
In 2 weeks.
We look forward to this happening
This time.
Manzara office is open !
So we will wait and see what happens.
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Fingers crossed for you.
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This week we have to pay electric company 2000 TL to have a new electric meter to get of builders electric
So 4 Villa's 2000 TL each seems a lot for cable and road works
Has anyone else have any had to do this.
I'm pretty sure this is another case of builder not wanting to finish a job.
House behind us has just got habitation so I believe that this has to with that .
Which would I hope mean we will get habitation soon.
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What a dreadful situation to be in. I sure feel for you. It's terrible Turkish law doesn't help you.
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We have an apartment on a Manzara complex, although I think we were lucky as they were completed and paperwork issued just before there problems started.
However, we have been on builders electric for 3 years since completion, due I believe, to the fact that Manzara never paid the electricians and they managed to put some sort of stop on changing electric over.
Recently when the roads were being renovated, as a complex (and because some sort of deal had been done so we could change electric) we all decided to get all the cables laid (the old ones were not big enough) and I think that we all paid about £80 each (x 20). This did not include meters - just roadworks (very little as already being dug up) and cable laid.
Hope this helps in some way.
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Is the house behind you also Manzara construction? If not, cannot see how it is relevant.
This payment to Electricity company is to them, for work they have to do, presumably not to another third party? Has every villa, the 4 of them, been told it will cost 2000 lira each to get onto mains electric and so off builders supply?
What does your original agreement with Manzara say about electricity supply? If nothing, not sure you have a leg to stand on. Did you have a lawyer originally who can help? If you bought direct from Manzara, obviously you have no recourse to an estate agent. Sorry cannot give happier info about this..........................
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This week we have to pay electric company 2000 TL to have a new electric meter to get of builders electric
So 4 Villa's 2000 TL each seems a lot for cable and road works
Has anyone else have any had to do this.
I'm pretty sure this is another case of builder not wanting to finish a job.
House behind us has just got habitation so I believe that this has to with that .
Which would I hope mean we will get habitation soon.
I thought Maclarke's post was very useful for you Peter :) Any news on yours yet?, it's taking forever &costing you loads more dosh :(
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We have no habitation certificate so have been paying builders electricity and water rates. Our builder has disappeared so no chance of getting it. We are up to date with our bills but yesterday electricity meter man came turned off communial electric and gave us a n bill. My turkish neighbour explained that all bills were up to date and this is the first time we had seen the bill. He turned it back on and told us to bill this bill. When I looked the payment date was 4th October, so was not even due. Then we visited our friends a few doors away only to be told that their communial electric had been cut off. They were told it was because the meter was in the landowners name and it had to be in one of the owners names. If the bill is being paid what difference does it make whose name the meter is in? Has any one else had this problem pauline
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Don't know why the above heading is on my post but nothing to do with us psuline
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Yes I believe the communal electric bill has to be in one of the owners name,
According to our maintenance man,
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Yes it is correct.The land owner or builder does this until everything has been sold and signed off for habitation then an owner has to put the bill under their name.If you do not at some stage the the land owner or builder can cancel the account as long as it is zero otherwise it effects other accounts under their names if one is not paid .IE one complex owes 1000tl elec bill and the land owners name is still on it then when he has a bill say for his home then the electric company could turn and say to him that he needs to pay it otherwise they can cut him off for unpaid bills even though it is not his address.This is also the same for water,phone line,internet and so on.
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That's very interesting info Mac thanks :)
Maybe the authority's are finally getting round to enforcing the (fairly) new Habitation Certificate laws?
Having their own electric cut off ;D may well explain the continual demands for more cash from some of their victims.......... :(
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A friends villa near me had his electric cut off because of unpaid bill . I paid the bill for him but Aydem would not put it on till he comes and changes the property into his name . He has had it for 3 years so looks like they are catching up with properties that have not bothered to put utility bills in their name when they get the Tapu. I think its as Mac2010 says Aydem may have chased the builder for the debt as Aydem have always accepted late payments after cut offs before.
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Today found out we cannot get X on Tapu because Tapu with X has not been issued the person dealing with Manzara title deed transaction there are expenses related with it.
If anyone knows what this means it would be most helpful.
Bare in mind we have paid all taxes and have our Habitation.
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Unless I am misunderstanding something Peter, having or not having a cross in the box doesn't matter - as long as you have your habitation certificate.
I'd get your paperwork checked out but seems you are fine.
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Today found out we cannot get X on Tapu because Tapu with X has not been issued
Is it the Kat Mulkiyeti box you're referring to? If it is then I wouldn't worry too much - as far as I'm aware this gets updated whenever a new tapu is issued, e.g. when property sold.
Saying that, I do remember reading something (a few years ago) that you could be fined for not having it updated - anybody know more?
JF
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Yes Keith I have Tapu and Habitation Certificate and have had it checkected and is ok.
But still im told I have to have the X and pay what is owed by Manzara.
All very confusing.
Think I'll wait to find out what is owed and try and get more advise.
Cenk and Olga from Interturk say I need it.
I'll let you know how much office is asking for.
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If Cenk and Olga say you need it, you need it!
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Just an update and maybe a chance to get some advice.
4 houses on our block,2 Turkish owned houses that I'm told are not willing to pay to get the x on Tapu
And told don't care about it.
And 2 English owners (me being one of them )
That are wondering if we are missing something ?
Is the X so important then ?
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As I said previously, is it the Kat Mulkiyeti box you're referring to?
JF