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Flights, Airlines and Airports => Flights to Dalaman and Turkey, Airlines and Airports => Topic started by: BernieTeyze on September 25, 2016, 18:36:46 PM
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F book are saying Monarch goes into administration at midnight..any truth in This? Friends with flights on 13th...
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Blimey, I hope that's not true Bernie. It would be a shock!
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Monarch are saying on twitter that there is no truth in the rumours. Make of that what you will ;) but hopefully all ok.
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Maybe they are, maybe they aren't - but to be perfectly frank, if someone on Facebook told me the sun rises in the east, I'd get up early just to check.
I've never seen an online community with such a large intellectual and credibility deficit as Facebook, and thats me being polite...
JF
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But also, if it was true they would be instructing staff to deny everything...
Hope they're OK, we need as much airline competition as possible in the UK.
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They're strongly denying it in the MEN.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/monarch-airlines-strongly-denies-rumours-11936873
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Saying on Twitter that some US planes are flying over to replace Monarch flights tomorrow.
Yes Monarch staff denying it but then again the staff are usually last to know these things - I've been there!
Hope they are wrong as we love to,fly with them.
The rumours aren't going away though.
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Breaking: rumours coming from Manchester Airport suggest Monarch Airlines may declare bankruptcy tomorrow
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Well the Manchester Monarch flight coming into Dalaman at 12.50 today is showing as arriving 5 mins early on Dalaman's web-page.
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Monarch announced on BBC news this morning all flights normal
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Sounds hopeful! I just hope the social media frenzy hasn't damaged them beyond repair!
We are looking to next summer and unless we can get a great deal with EJ we will be back with monarch!
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"Over the weekend, there has been negative speculation about Monarch’s financial health.
Monarch is trading well and is expected to achieve an EBITDA of over £40m at the end of this financial year (October 2016). This is despite a difficult period for the holiday industry due to terrorist incidents, Brexit and the resulting devaluation of sterling.
Our flights and holidays are operating as normal, carrying Monarch customers as scheduled.
To weather tougher market conditions and to fund its ongoing growth, Monarch expects to announce a significant investment from its stakeholders in the coming days."
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Flying with them next week, I hope
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Good old Facebook. I'm looking forward to THEIR demise. ;)
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Hopefully it will have resolved itself by mid October for my return flight to UK. Although . . . . ;)
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Hopefully it will have resolved itself by mid October for my return flight to UK. Although . . . . ;)
Thinking the same Lotty..we are due to fly back to UK on the 14th.
Thing is we have been here since mid August ( on 90/180 day visa) lol :)
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Just booked and paid for flights to Naples for next year from Leeds! Was thrilled to be able to go from our local airport , now not so thrilled! Hope the no smoke without fire adage is not true in this case !
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I know there's me saying friends going 13th, when I'm there n back November for new Grandboy! Don't know which way is up at moment :)
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I fly home with them on 10th October and I have flights booked for May and September 2017. My daughter has worked for the for 16 years and still does but at the moment I'm saying nowt except the gob****es on social media should keep it shut. Rumour mongering can bring companies down >:(
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I'm saying nowt except the gob****es on social media should keep it shut. Rumour mongering can bring companies down >:(
Well maybe their chief exec Andrew Swaffield should "keep it shut" as he was the one who came out in June and said they needed £35m of extra capital to see them through the winter.
Architects of their own (social media) downfall methinks.
JF
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According to this mornings local Manchester news, Monarch have got until midnight to sign forms that allow them to sell holidays. If this is not signed they will not be able to sell them. There was no mention of flights being affected.
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Its a bit more than just forms - its their ATOL licence that's due for renewal by 30th September. Apparently the CAA have some reservations over Monarchs finances, which means they have to balance the effect of refusing to renew it (even if Monarch come up the money to do so) against the impact on passengers already on holiday and those who have booked for future flights.
It seems that almost half of all operators licences are due for renewal tomorrow, lets hope we don't see anyone else in Monarchs position.
JF
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It's worth a reminder to check the ATOL details when booking a flight. I had a sleepless night last year, when I booked with monarch and then realised I hadn't checked!, when I checked the website it said SOME flights were ATOL protected but not who h ones!! my ATOL certificate landed in my in box over night, phew !
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But if you book with a credit card, you claim from them.
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A few years ago we booked flights with a company that went bust. We had paid with our credit card and we got a full refund. Luckily we were in the U.K when this happened.
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Looks like Boeing may step in now to rescue Monarch Airlines.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/09/monarch-rescue-deal-to-go-to-the-wire-as-deadline-looms/
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£ 160 million paid apparently so alls well meantime.
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More info here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37628348
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Pat on the back for Monarch at DLM today,separate check in desks for priority and online bookings.
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When we went to Portugal this year with Monarch our flights were delayed by just over 4 hrs. Was not happy at all.We were told by someone that we would be entitled to €400 euros per person under the EU rules.Anyway we put in a claim when we got home thinking that if Monarch did go bust our claim would go with it.Yesterday we received 2 cheques for £351 the equivalent of €400.00 I presume. So quite pleased about that.
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That'll help Monarch stay in business
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I,m hoping they put the flight later on 6th. I'd like a few more hours with grandbabies ;D
I,m writing this with a burst pipe flooding my lounge.. : :)I kid you not.
Kadir is here now...I, m in Turkish mode..no stress for me, no siree ;) ;D
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So the great EU make sure you get €400 back for a for hour delay! Probably more than the flight cost originally!
I'm all for airlines being accountable for delays but forcing them to fly you for free is a bit over the top IMO.
Basically we will all end up paying as they will just increase prices to cover their costs. It won't affect the Eurocrats though as they will just put in an (over inflated) expense claim for their flights!
Madness.
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I wonder if people who transport goods for a job would think this is fair - so you have to deliver a load of turnips for £200 but if you are 4 hours late you instead have to pay the turnip farmer £400. Who would undertake such a risky deal?
No wonder Monarch are in difficult times. Who'd set up an airline under EU regulations these days...
And I voted remain. ;)
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So the great EU make sure you get €400 back for a for hour delay! Probably more than the flight cost originally!
I'm all for airlines being accountable for delays but forcing them to fly you for free is a bit over the top IMO.
Basically we will all end up paying as they will just increase prices to cover their costs. It won't affect the Eurocrats though as they will just put in an (over inflated) expense claim for their flights!
Madness.
So Stoop are you saying that airlines who have delays of 4hrs or more should not be liable to pay compensation to passengers.Ok we were just going to Portugal for a holiday. But what if I was say a business person having to be in Portugal for a very important contract meeting that could involve millions of pounds and 100s of jobs and because I wasn't at the meeting the contract was awarded to a competitor.Its the airlines fault but no compensation.We could have been going on a cruise and because of the delays we missed our connection so lost our cruise.There are many many reasons I imagine this EU ruling was brought in and not just to compensate holiday makers.
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But what if I was say a business person having to be in Portugal for a very important contract meeting that could involve millions of pounds and 100s of jobs and because I wasn't at the meeting the contract was awarded to a competitor.
If it was that critical, I would have taken an earlier flight.
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We could have been going on a cruise and because of the delays we missed our connection so lost our cruise.There are many many reasons I imagine this EU ruling was brought in and not just to compensate holiday makers.
Yes what with people going on cruises not being holiday makers of course.
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So if the earlier flight had been delayed four hours you would agree that compensation should have been paid ;)
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But what if I was say a business person having to be in Portugal for a very important contract meeting that could involve millions of pounds and 100s of jobs and because I wasn't at the meeting the contract was awarded to a competitor.
If it was that critical, I would have taken an earlier flight.
Nobody in business would expose themselves to the potential for a 4 hour delay putting 100s of jobs in jeopardy. As KKOB says we take an earlier flight or even more likely, arrived the day before.
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So the great EU make sure you get €400 back for a for hour delay! Probably more than the flight cost originally!
I'm all for airlines being accountable for delays but forcing them to fly you for free is a bit over the top IMO.
Basically we will all end up paying as they will just increase prices to cover their costs. It won't affect the Eurocrats though as they will just put in an (over inflated) expense claim for their flights!
Madness.
So Stoop are you saying that airlines who have delays of 4hrs or more should not be liable to pay compensation to passengers.Ok we were just going to Portugal for a holiday. But what if I was say a business person having to be in Portugal for a very important contract meeting that could involve millions of pounds and 100s of jobs and because I wasn't at the meeting the contract was awarded to a competitor.Its the airlines fault but no compensation.We could have been going on a cruise and because of the delays we missed our connection so lost our cruise.There are many many reasons I imagine this EU ruling was brought in and not just to compensate holiday makers.
No - what I am saying is that compensation should be proportionate. €100 per hour seems excessive to me. Maybe it should be limited so so much an hour based on the flight cost. Unless, of course, it is proven that the airline have been negligent.
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We have been on cruises in the last couple of years. The tour company book you on the airline and from there you are pick you by coach to the cruise ship. So, if the flight was delayed the ship would, in all probability wait for you. Leaving the cruise ship there is a convoy of coaches going to the airport.
We have never got a flight on our own to join a cruise.
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I would be very interested to know how many of you that seem to think its wrong that I got €400 compensation would not have put in a compensation claim at all knowing you were entitled to that compensation. All passengers were advised to do that by Monarch themselves when
they issued to every passenger a whopping £5 voucher for food and drink.The plane was full so I'm guessing about 300 passengers.What was ironic about our flight delay was that the Monarch flight to Ibiza was also delayed for over 3 hours. The excuse was the same as we were given which was"Technical Problems".The actual truth was that they did not have enough cabin crew to take off at the correct time. They had to contact other crew members on their day off to come in or they would have had to cancel the flight.How do we know this. Because one of the crew who came in on his day off told us.Actually he was quite happy about it as he was getting about £300 for coming in on his day off plus 2 extra paid days off.The EU did not bring in these compensation rules for no reason.
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If someone offers me €400 for spending a few extra hours hanging about an airport then yeah, I'll have some of that thank you.
However... thinking back over the past twenty or so years (easily 1,000+ flights), I can only think of about a dozen or so occasions where we've had delays of over four hours, seriously :) but then again we rarely use charters and one of those times where we did have a delay was a charter out of Dalaman. Just like IP addresses and dodgy usernames I remember crap like this.
Longest we ever had was about ten years ago, in the days when independent travel in Cuba was a bit hit and miss and we ended up with a forty odd hours delay at Santiago de Cuba over Xmas - that was a hard one!
Too often these days airlines treat passengers like sh1t when it suits them to cancel or delay flights. The EU regulations in respect of compensation for delays is a good spur for them to remember that passengers are customers, not just numbers on the balance sheet.
benim iki kuruş :)
JF
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I would be very interested to know how many of you that seem to think its wrong that I got €400 compensation
Not wrong for me.
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I received compensation for a Thompson 5 hour delay but they didn't notify us of our rights
and treated us pretty poorly. I shouldn't think many on that flight claimed.
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My point to jamesuk is not about legislation or rights, it is about the repugnant opinion that he was not concerned about the possibility that 3,000+ Monarch employees may lose their jobs - he reserved his concern for himself - if Monarch went bust, would he get his claimed 400 euros. In fact, he would pocket 13 eurocents for each full time, professional career thrown on the scrapheap.
No apologies from me, that is totally repulsive.
We would all like to spent £200 on a flight and get 400 euros back (and the flight) but this really, truly, will cost the loss of all the 3000 jobs at small airlines like Monarch, and thousands more across the EU.
So when you get you 400 euros, for delays we used to hate but accept (and ultimately we got there!!), please think about the people, and the families you ruined - take the euros, they're yours - but spent half a minute thinking about the families of employees of airlines like Monarch who may well now signing on.
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I don't blame you at all for claiming. I just think the amount paid for the delay you suffered was excessive. That's my opinion anyway.
Not your fault at all but the systems.
As I said earlier - prices will just keep on rising to cover these costs or airlines will go bust.
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Everyone's problem
We want 400 euros when we are delayed a few hours, we want maximum possible competition, but ultimately the 400 euro in your pocket pushes an airline closer to the wall.
But get your claim in...
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This was my nightmare experience with Monarch a few years ago. Arrived at 10am for a departure at midday. We were called to gate at 11am but at 12 midday, informed there would be a delay and to return at 4pm.
Returned at 4pm to be told that there was a fault with the plane that required a new part. The part was due to arrive from Leeds (although no aircraft was coming from Leeds) and it was due at 5.30pm, it would take a couple of hours to fit and we would be off at 8pm. Returned to gate at 7pm as instructed. 8pm came and we were told that the part was on the plane and we were simply awaiting the paperwork to be signed off.
Then nothing. Took to the plane around 10pm, held on the coach for 20 minutes looking at a plane and hammering the doors as we were near to collapse with the heat, only to be returned to the airport. The staff had switched off all the lights and gone home so we were left with security staff only at this point.
Finally we were informed at around 11pm that we were going to be returned to East Midlands on a plane that had just arrived. Once the passengers were off and the plane was refuelled, we would be off. I can only assume that this plane was the Birmingham flight that was also delayed arriving at Faro which landed around 11pm.
At East Midlands, we were forced to wait approximately 1.5 hours standing in a queue for coaches. They hadn’t even managed to get the coaches there to meet us.
The whole thing was a horror story from beginning to end.
I took my money from my claim - but ironically, used it to buy more flights with Monarch!!!
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My point to jamesuk is not about legislation or rights, it is about the repugnant opinion that he was not concerned about the possibility that 3,000+ Monarch employees may lose their jobs - he reserved his concern for himself - if Monarch went bust, would he get his claimed 400 euros. In fact, he would pocket 13 eurocents for each full time, professional career thrown on the scrapheap.
No apologies from me, that is totally repulsive.
We would all like to spent £200 on a flight and get 400 euros back (and the flight) but this really, truly, will cost the loss of all the 3000 jobs at small airlines like Monarch, and thousands more across the EU.
So when you get you 400 euros, for delays we used to hate but accept (and ultimately we got there!!), please think about the people, and the families you ruined - take the euros, they're yours - but spent half a minute thinking about the families of employees of airlines like Monarch who may well now signing on.
So if you and your family had been offered the compensation even though the delays were purely Monarchs fault because of their mismanagement you would have said No thank you I didn't mind being kept hanging around an airport for over 4 hours. And spending more money on food and drinks that are all at inflated prices.You keep it and if it happens again keep that compensation to. Yea right. As for me not caring that's a bloody insult Scunner and totally out of order.How the hell was I and the other 100s of other passengers to know that Monarch could have gone bust. We didn't. What about if they had been making millions in profits every year. Would that still be wrong to accept compensation for their mistakes.
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The main point is that if you paid £150 each for a flight (I don't know what you paid but I only paid £120 for Gatwick to Dalaman in July).
I feel that it is unreasonable to expect to receive around £360 as compo. Do you earn £90 per hour at work?
The compo should be based on what you paid in the first place, with a percentage for the inconvenience, the absolute maximum I would expect to receive in my example would be £150 each. Anything over that would be just plain greedy.
I have worked it out on £120 for the flight and 4 hours at just above the minimum wage.
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It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks is the "correct amount". The amount is the rules. I can't help but feel that is this rule wasn't in place, airlines simply wouldn't care and wouldn't try quite so hard to get the flight away on time.
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Just because it is 'the rules' does not mean it is right. The rules should be amended to reflect the amount paid in the first place. You are probably correct that the airlines would mess about but picking an arbitrary figure of €400 is absurd.
What about the person that has paid more than €400?
Using my earlier should they be out of pocket because I would be £200 up?
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And this is normally on one leg of the flight being delayed - the other not being late. So you get 400 euros for half of what you paid for the flight. So 400 euros back on (say) £100 not £200. If they finally got you to your destination, why should they pay you 4x what you paid?
Again, would you deliver my turnips and accept a deal that if you are late you pay me 4x what I was going to pay you? It's ridiculous and it threatens jobs and competition.
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Scunner and Madmark. Passengers did not make up this EU law. So stop blaming the innocent passengers. They did not cause the delays or fix the amount of compensation is payable. The EU did it.
Some interesting reading for you both.
[urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/19/flight-delay-claims-compensation-airlines-passengers][/url]
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All part of the something for nothing/blame and claim mentality these days. To hell with thousands of jobs.
The fact remains that when Monarch were at their darkest times, you were only concerned about your 400 Euro claim.
To me that sums up much of what is wrong with consumer law these days.
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Scunner and Madmark. Passengers did not make up this EU law. So stop blaming the innocent passengers. They did not cause the delays or fix the amount of compensation is payable. The EU did it.
Some interesting reading for you both.
[urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/19/flight-delay-claims-compensation-airlines-passengers][/url]
Where did I blame the passengers?
Also it is madmart.
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The main point is that if you paid £150 each for a flight (I don't know what you paid but I only paid £120 for Gatwick to Dalaman in July).
I feel that it is unreasonable to expect to receive around £360 as compo. Do you earn £90 per hour at work?
sThe compo should be based on what you paid in the first place, with a percentage for the inconvenience, the absolute maximum I would expect to receive in my example would be £150 each. Anything over that would be just plain greedy.
I have worked it out on £120 for the flight and 4 hours at just above the minimum wage.
MadmarT You really do talk a load of tosh. :) What has I or anyone paid for their flight got to do with it? Everyone knows that flight prices go up and down daily at an alarming rate most times. So you are saying that every single compensation claim should be based on flight prices. Who the hell would sort that mess out when we all pay different prices. As for it being based on the minimum hourly rate. What countries minimum hourly rate? Every single country has a different minimum hourly rate didn't you know that. As I say you are talking a load of tosh :)
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We had a two day delay in 2005.. Turned up at the Airport and there was no flight. Flight was arranged for two days later. Most of the flight passengers where put up in an Hotel in Dalaman. We hired a car and went back to our place.
We received nothing at this time. However, seeing the 400 euros compensation given here. I wonder what we would have received if compensation was in place at that time?
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The main point is that if you paid £150 each for a flight (I don't know what you paid but I only paid £120 for Gatwick to Dalaman in July).
I feel that it is unreasonable to expect to receive around £360 as compo. Do you earn £90 per hour at work?
sThe compo should be based on what you paid in the first place, with a percentage for the inconvenience, the absolute maximum I would expect to receive in my example would be £150 each. Anything over that would be just plain greedy.
I have worked it out on £120 for the flight and 4 hours at just above the minimum wage.
MadmarT You really do talk a load of tosh. :) What has I or anyone paid for their flight got to do with it? Everyone knows that flight prices go up and down daily at an alarming rate most times. So you are saying that every single compensation claim should be based on flight prices. Who the hell would sort that mess out when we all pay different prices. As for it being based on the minimum hourly rate. What countries minimum hourly rate? Every single country has a different minimum hourly rate didn't you know that. As I say you are talking a load of tosh :)
You really are losing the plot on this or are not very bright.
It will be down to the airline to sort out the price paid, if they are wrong I take you would still have the notification from your credit/debit cards issuer.
I used the minimum hourly rate for the country that I am resident in and the flight originated. For the avoidance of doubt as it is too hard for you to understand that is the UK.
What you paid for the flight has everything to do with it, if you paid £400 for the flight you receive £400 plus a percentage for inconvenience, if you pay £100 you receive £100 plus a percentage for inconvenience. To be paid £90 per hour for what in reality is merely inconvenient seems excessive.
I would respectfully suggest that it is you clutching at straws rather than me talking tosh.
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The fact is we are saying the rules are wrong - not the passengers for claiming.
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The fact is we are saying the rules are wrong - not the passengers for claiming.
Exactly
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Exactly from me to.