Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Telephones, Broadband and Mobiles => Topic started by: Ian_and_Sian on March 24, 2017, 10:49:00 AM
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Technically, you can only have a static IP address if you only ever connect to one single network. If I set a static IP address on my laptop it needs to be in the IP range of my router, as soon as I move to a different network with a different router then I lose all connectivity.
You're wrong.
A static, as opposed to a dynamic, IP address is allocated by your internet provider and has nothing to do with the machine you connect with. Most internet providers use dynamic allocation meaning when you connect to the internet your IP address can be anything within a set range. With a static IP address, when you connect to the internet your IP address is fixed.
Generally speaking, its a simple matter to request a static IP from your internet provider. Some make a small charge, others don't - TTNet don't charge as far as I'm aware.
It still limits you to connecting to a single router that has it's external facing IP address set. You still can't take your laptop and connect up to a different router even if the 'x' in the 192.168.x.y octet of the matches.
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Not sure you're grasping the concept here. Allocation of a static or dynamic IP address has got nothing to do with your router, your laptop or whatever device you use to access your internet connection. Its your ISP who allocates it.
JF
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No, I do grasp it - I should do, I work in IT Support!
If the software is set to only accept data from a predefined static IP, that's if your ISP gives you a static public facing IP address for your router - any client connected to it that has the submission software could send that data.
Problem is, what happens when you are not connected to your router that has the static IP set?
Take this scenario:
I load the submission software on my laptop, it registers using the static IP address set on my router at my UK address and I can quite happily send the required data. Then I go away for a few days with my laptop. I connect it up to the WiFi in my hotel but the public facing IP of the hotel router is not recognised by the submission system so rejects my updates.
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If you work in IT support then why are you banging on about a router?
Allocation of static (and dynamic) IP addresses have the square root of FA to do with your router, but then again you should know that being an IT support person...
Or are you simply being deliberately obtuse because you're pıssed about the new regulations?
JF
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It may be that you have a different set up that I am not familiar with then. In all my time in IT the ISP will set IP address ranges and then that ISP's routers are then programmed to lease an address from this range for a set period before recycling the address, the router then uses DHCP to allocate internal addresses to the clients connecting to it normally in the 192.168.x.x range.
What do the static IP addresses that the ISP issues link to in your scenario?
(And yes, I'm weeed about the new regulations when I'm not a commercial enterprise looking to make an income, just someone who wants to enjoy his holiday home and is happy to let those close to me share it. So no, I'm not being obtuse, just commenting on what appears to be another layer of inconvenience, this time on a technical level)
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If I set a static IP address on my laptop it needs to be in the IP range of my router
I think you're confusing internal IP addresses and public IP addresses. You don't need to give your device a static internal IP address, your ISP has done that already with your public IP address. I have a static IP right now, however the machines and devices on our network are allocated their internal IP addresses by DHCP (with a few exceptions).
Here's a little primer from BT on static v dynamic IP's. (https://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/134/~/what-is-the-difference-between-a-static-and-a-dynamic-ip-address%3F/c/5099/)
If you have a static IP from TTNet then it doesn't matter what your internal IP address is, its not passed forward and the Polis server will recognise the previously reported fixed IP address and associate it with your account therefore granting you access to the software. If they'd wanted to be really obstructive then they'd have done it by not just IP but by MAC address also.
JF
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My point still stands though.
Regardless of the laptop/device IP (in the 192.168.x.x range set via DHCP from the router) the Polis software is still only going to recognise the static public-facing IP address my ISP has set for my 'Home' router. Not a problem if you are permanently based in one location.
Trouble is, how will the Polis system cope when I use my laptop from a different location and I do not have access to the 'Home' router?
For example, the laptop I'm using right now will show that this message was sent from IP address 165.x.x.224 as I am posting from my office but, last night when I used this same laptop to post a message while connected to my 'home' router, the sending IP address was 86.x.x.222
Hence, what I am saying about having to be logged in at one specified location in order to submit the daily reports i.e. Never be able to leave the house again ???
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Have you tried switching off, and on again ? ;)
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My point still stands though.
Well, actually your original one doesn't as you've now acknowledged below
Regardless of the laptop/device IP (in the 192.168.x.x range set via DHCP from the router) the Polis software is still only going to recognise the static public-facing IP address my ISP has set for my 'Home' router. Not a problem if you are permanently based in one location.
That is essentially what I said at the start.
Trouble is, how will the Polis system cope when I use my laptop from a different location and I do not have access to the 'Home' router?
From their perspective it's how will you cope?
I suspect that the requirement for a static IP address is simply another layer of security - ok, anyone with the knowledge can spoof an IP address, but at least the Polis are doing what they can to make the system as secure as possible.
Have you tried switching off, and on again ? ;)
Alan, I would love to be able to switch you off and on. In fact, I bet your missus would love to be able to do it more than anyone :)
JF
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Thanks kkob..Made me proper LOL
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Alan, I would love to be able to switch you off and on. In fact, I bet your missus would love to be able to do it more than anyone :)
JF
She has promised that I won't be on life support any longer than she thinks necessary. ;)
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Good news
Police system has been updated. They informed us that static ip will be only for hotels. For aparts and villas no need statik ip you can connect from anywhere. But again police told you have to buy a software. There is many software to do that (more than 30) cheapest one 250 lira
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When you wisit police web site there is a free software you have to download and install on your pc.
Guest list creating and crypting software for police region is not free.
Software which will connect you to police system and let this crypted file sent to police is free
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My answer to the static ip address issue was to leave a device like a cheap laptop connected to the LAN with "Teamviewer" loaded. I could then access this device from anywhere on the internet i.e. the UK - and just access to the police system if I was in Turkey.
Again I was told that the software and your account on the police system is locked to a particular ip address ( supplied by your Turkish ISP).
However I have not tried this as I am stuck in the UK working till the summer.
If anyone could try it the Teamviewer software is free for personal use and let me know I would be grateful.
https://www.teamviewer.com/en/
Thanks
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That's refreshing, a nice positive minded post in respect of the new regulations, with a bit of lateral thinking thrown in.
As long as the remote machine is configured correctly, no reason why it wouldn't work. Internet and power outages may be problematic though, if the machine is to be completely unattended.
JF
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My answer to the static ip address issue was to leave a device like a cheap laptop connected to the LAN with "Teamviewer" loaded. I could then access this device from anywhere on the internet i.e. the UK - and just access to the police system if I was in Turkey.
Again I was told that the software and your account on the police system is locked to a particular ip address ( supplied by your Turkish ISP).
However I have not tried this as I am stuck in the UK working till the summer.
If anyone could try it the Teamviewer software is free for personal use and let me know I would be grateful.
https://www.teamviewer.com/en/
Thanks
I use Team Viewer for sorting out problems my mother has with her laptop. She lives in Cornwall and we're in Surrey. It is very effective and works well.
The only problem is if the remote machine has gone into hibernate I've tried setting the wake up remotely options and they do not seem to work.
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When you wisit police web site there is a free software you have to download and install on your pc.
Guest list creating and crypting software for police region is not free.
Software which will connect you to police system and let this crypted file sent to police is free
This information given by me in March, Now new system, you have to have a static ip adress.
For a static ip adress you need to aplly to your internet service provider and pay 15 lira monthly.
Here is the link showing your routers ip adress.
http://whatismyipaddress.com/tr/ip-im
You turn off and on your router wisit the web site above again, you will see that each time router gets a random different ip adress.
After you apply for static ip your ip adress will not be changed for your router. It will get the same ip numbers each time and its the outhirised one by Police system.
Your ip adress on network are sub adresses and not seen by internet system. Some people make change on setting for their network and make their ip static but this is waste of time becouse its networks ip number, not the worldwide internet systems ip for your router.
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Please have a look at:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/video-how-set-up-teamviewer-wake-lan-jerry-boutot
This will help with setting your wake up on lan. This will only work if you are plugged into and using a cable connection
to the router. There are very few drivers available for wake up on wireless lan.
I have tried this in the UK with two PC's as previous post and it works fine. I am just worried that Turkey's ISP block this type of access.
However there is a rumour that if you are just an apartment owner that the static ip address is not required??Although no accesss is allowed from outside of turkey?Can anyone confirm or reject this idea?
Thanks
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However there is a rumour that if you are just an apartment owner that the static ip address is not required?
It is I suspect just a rumour. The first IP address you use to log on to the system is the one it stores as being your unique IP address. Any subsequent attempts to log on require your request to come from that IP address before it'll let you in. There is a procedure to change the stored IP address, but its not something you can do regularly (e.g. only if you change ISP etc).
That said, it is Turkey and things can change!
JF
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I have been told that the new regulations for registering visitors to my apartment are only for Turkish visitors.
All family visits, which will all be from the UK, are resolved by them having e-visa's and using passports to enter the country.
As this is only a security issue this makes sense???
Can anyone confirm. Sorry to be so pedantic but just trying to get to the bottom of this!!!
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Sounds like there's someone you need to stop listening to - the new regulations cover all visitors, irrespective of nationality.
JF
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As this is only a security issue this makes sense???
This is a tax issue, under the guise of a security issue. When / if the State of Emergency is lifted, you can be sure that the need for guest registration won't be.
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Thanks for all the feedback. This looks like being an absolute pain to sort out from the UK.
I have noticed that YellALi are offering a service for 600TL to resolve all these issues?
http://www.yellali.com/news/article/448/owning-a-villa-in-turkey-just-got-serious
Has anyone used this service, I appreciate it's only early and there will probably be many agencies offering such services ot know of YellAli, they are based
locally in Fethiye.
Thanks.