Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Local Tradesmen => Topic started by: peecee on May 23, 2009, 12:41:33 PM
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Hi, can anyone recommend a good roofer? Small job, the roof above my main balcony leaks like a sieve and is ruining the furniture/marble? Many thanks
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Peecee I have sent you an e:mail
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I'm looking for a reliable roofer.....please can you post details if the one suggested here was any good - thanks
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In October 2009 we called in Fethiye Property Services because we had a problem with our roof.
Engin came to see us and took photos whilst up on the roof, to show us what it was like. He gave us a quote which was detailed & itemised and also said that if all of the materials specified were not used, then the price would be less.
His roofers were hard workers, did a really excellent job and came back to check everything after the first lot of rain following the job.
When the time came to make the payment to Engin, we paid less than quoted because not all of the materials were needed.
We have more work booked in with FPS and would have no hesitation in recommending him.
Tony
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Thanks for the recommendation....We have had Engin out to look at the roof - he took photo's & we had every faith in him to do a good job following recommendations from CBF members, plus he offered a two year guarentee.
I have e-mailed him for the quote, but to no avail. He initially told us he doesn't do any work for Turkish people (we are an English/Turkish couple) - so I guess our money isn't good enough for him :(
Or by Turkish standards his prices are extortionate??? : :)
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I agree with you last year he gave me and my friend next door a quote for two new roofs very professional every thing itemised,but christ when i got the estimate i had to sit down and have a large brandy.Im a retired builder and his estimate was way,way,over the top.Hence i got the job done for nearly half the price and only paid up when i got up on the roof and inspected the workmanship and was satisfied.He informed us that he does not do work for turkish people.Just as well when you consider what he charges,always get other quotes and go with your instinks.
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Half price! Satisfied after your inspection! And you a retired builder! Very good.
So
Who did the job for you??!!
:D
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We used Engin to repair our roof, he gave us an estimate first and we thought it was very reasonable. He took photographs of the roof before and after and when the work was completed we were totally satisfied. In fact, he came back to check the work during a very heavy period of rain and it was perfect. We thought his work was first class, and not expensive. We would not hesitate to recommend him. In fact our neighbour had the same work done and were also very happy.
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Celal replaced our roof nearly 2 years ago and has replaced 3 more on our complex and many others around Calis on our recommendation. Our neighbour got 8 quotes from various builders and celal was cheapest by far, one quote was 4 times his price. I have his number if you PM me.
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Thanks Susan - I have e-mailed you.
Is a finding a roofer in Turkey "Top Secret" - no one seems to want to post recommendations :).
We would have loved to have used Fethiye Property Services....regardless of cost....to repair to sieve we are living in...but if he won't deal with Turkish people, I'm in a catch 22 situation!
The cynic in me thinks exploitation of the Brits...that's why he drives a flashy pickup vehicle.....not many Turkish tradesmen have those : :)
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We've used Engin from Fethiye Property Services and like the fact we know that he does a good job.
With Engin we know we will be happy. I confess, though, that I didn't know he wont deal with Turks and that is a little dismaying. But then there's plenty of Turks out there in flash vehicles that rip off the expats and do a lousy job for the money.
So, if someone can recommend a GOOD worker that takes a pride in doing the job properly and promptly. at a reasonable price, please speak up.
Trouble is, anyone prepared to mention a name will, very likely, get shot down in flames, so I can understand their reticence.
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Think I would like to hear Engin's side of this story and I for one will not condemn him for having a nice car. He works very hard and why should he drive around in an old banger so people will not be jealous of his success.
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It's also not a Turkey story - there are plenty of people in the UK who do appalling building work, driving around in very flash vehicles indeed.
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Good luck to the man.
He looks like he has made a good living from the ex-pat community based in Fethiye & the surrounding area.
He has obviously realised that by learning English, working to British expectations i.e providing an itemised quotation, doing a good job, offering a guarantee which he will honour, coming in cheaper than the original quote (bit of psychology coming in there I think...) he will be recommended.
I'm just disappointed that he bothered to take the time, send someone on the roof to take photo's, explain what needs doing, but then doesn't come back with a price regardless of me e-mailing him. It would have been better all round if he had the decency just to say he didn't want the job in the first place.
Thanks for the e-mail Susan - will be contacting Celal :)
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Dear Mr Scunner,Im not knocking fethyie property services good luck to him and yes he does deserve to have a nice motor as im sure he works very hard for his money.My prices used to double when i used to price for work up in london,london prices wealthy people the price goes up.But you cant charge chelsea and kensington prices in turkey.Yes i am a retired builder and street wise you would have to get up early in the morning to catch me.The difference with me is that i done my researce first by going and pricing the roof tiles etc first and paying for them and on completion of the work and i was happy i paid up that was the deal.The roofer i used was a friend of the owner of seril 1 and 2 who ive none for 15years his name is jemel i dont have his number in the uk but i do have it out in turkey.So if anyone needs to use him then they will have to pop in to seril 1 and ask sesiye for his contact number.I hope this anwsers your question thanks.
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Dear Mr. Mouse, I didn't say you were knocking anyone, I was just pointing out that you didn't tell us who you used :)
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OK no problem,just giving an opinion,some you win,some you lose,business is business where ever in the world you are.
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Merhaba for all CBF members,
We did not reply good or bad comments up to now. We respected that the comments are people's own thought.
However the person with user name posleeds is giving missing information. At first time we went to their house, someone from the next block came immediately and they were surprised as well, because that person is their builder. Posleeds's Turkish boyfriend was with her as well and they heard what we talked with their builder. He told that he has already fixed the leaking areas and it was not a good job and he said it will be done again. Since posleeds do not trust him, she wanted us to do the job. We asked her to let him try once more since he will be doing it free of charge. We thought that it is better for posleeds to get the job done by the previous person since it is free and he had a chance to correct his fault.
Moreover the builder told us before he went that it is his job, and not to interfere. We translated this to posleeds as well. Besides we did not want to cause another argument between them by answering the other company.
I also told that I do not want to work with Turks, because as everybody knows in this forum, every Turk is a professional in construction and they know everything about it. However when you see the job done, you just laugh at them.
Since Turkish people are mostly living in apartments in Fethiye, it is always a problem with the roof repairs. Roof is also a common area like the garden. It has to be done for the building certification meaning it is important for all owners in the apartment. As the situation is like this, when it is time to payment for the roof repair, no one pays except the roof floor owners. In that case it is always problem for us to get the payment after work. We had many examples like this in the past.
Very simply just ask tribalelder about it in this forum.
He is living on the third floor of an apartment in Tasyaka. We fixed his chimney once and roof twice and he made the payment himself. Besides kindly ask for the labour quality and price.
We always offer the best quality materials. The choice is up to the owner. Meaning the high or low price in quote depends on the owner.
The cheapest roof felt is 13 tl and the most expensive one is 60 tl. We have used the most expensive one (the real membrane) in our previous jobs and did not have any problem at all up to now. Because of the difference between materials, when we add the best quality to our quote, it comes out with a 4 times more expensive quote between us and the others who add cheap quality felt. You see the reason in price.
Mickymouse says he got the job done with half price of my quote. I respect him, but the workman's knowledge and labour quality is not same with us and I am sure the quality of the materials and the quantity are not same in two quotes.
If I know that I can get the job done at a lower price with same quality, why would I buy it expensive and offer my client and lose the job!!!
Moreover, I always bring the 4-5 different insulation materials with me and show and want the client to choose. I prepare the quote after this depending on the choice. So all control is at our client's hands.
With the simplest examples you can see how we work in the following links.
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Thank you to our clients for choosing us.
Note; if this post is seen as an advertisement by the administration of the forum, we respect that as well. We just wanted to use our right of reply. The rest is up to the readers.
Fethiye Property Services Team
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People will always have the right of reply on CBF, and you did that. I don't see the post as an advertisement at all.
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What a brilliant response from efersiz.
I like his reply very much!
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Originally posted by efersiz
"However the person with user name posleeds is giving missing information. At first time we went to their house, someone from the next block came immediately and they were surprised as well, because that person is their builder."
As mentioned when you came out to give us the quote the builder had not put the job right.
We purchased the property in May when the weather was good & did not know about the leaking roof until October when the rain began. We did contact the builder who sent his original roofer out twice - he truned up with a tube of silicon & as your photo's suggested it needs a damn site more than that to make it water tight. Not once did the builder come out to see what the problem was himself. The apartments are now 5 years old, the original roofer said he was not getting paid any extra for his work, so understandably he wouldn't lay any money out for materials & the builder just isn't interested.
It was sods law that when I called Fethiye Property Services out, I saw the builder in the adjoining block & asked him to come over just to point out that we were going to have to get someone else in as the roof was leaking like a sieve. The fact you both turned up on my doorstep at exactly the same time was misfortunate for me - it had taken approx 6 months for him to show his face! I did explain all this to you at the time.
Anyway to cut a long story short he still hasn't sent anyone out to repair the roof, I knew he wouldn't! We are totally frustrated at living in a damp house, having to move furniture & roll up rugs every time there is the threat of rain just to prevent in getting spoilt.
All we want is a reliable roofer regardless of cost (FPS were highly recommended hence the contact) - I just wish you had had the courtesy to contact us after I had e-mailed you for the quote to let us know you weren't interested. If you were worried about payment I would have been quite happy to pay half up front in view of your high esteem amongst CBF members - though I would be interested to know why you would doubt my integrity? I was the person who had contacted you - the fact the builder told you it was his job & not to interfere should not come into it. I think waiting nearly 5 months for him to pull his finger out is long enough!
Frustration Reigns!
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Interesting reading this! I know very little about roofs but I am also a neighbour of Micks and, like Mick, also needed a drink after getting such a high quote. So high I thought initially it was a genuine mistake ie. should have been ytl not GBP£. Not the case so I also got my roof done elsewhere and in fact used the guy that all our Turkish neighbours used. I know we all pay a higher price in Turkey but it was silly. In fact there were about 4-5 UK owned houses on site that needed doing so in fact it could have been a nice job if the price had been reasonable. And thats the word really, we all want "reasonable" beit quality, service and price. "Good" would be even nicer of course :)
Carpete
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The problem of poor roofs apart from not using underfelt or insulation or using no nails is often that normal clout nails which have smooth sides are used and these loosen as soon as the winter storms start to blow. If you are having a roof relaid insist on proper roofing nails which have serrated sides. These are readily available in Turkey
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new to ovacik can someone recommend a carpenter/roofer to put a tiled roof over my pergola and an ottoman style balcony
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Yes, Fethiye Property Services ! ( He uses the name efersiz on the forum )