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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Winklepicker on May 27, 2010, 19:47:46 PM
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Have visited the new resturant in Uzumlu named Ayla...
Excellent food
Excellent service and surroundings...you must try
Lots on the menu to suit all, salad and lavash with garlic butter before one even starts..excellent value for money....
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I agree. Have been there twice and good food (wide range), good service and good prices.Caters for both English and Turkish tastes,full English Breakfast TL8.
Ali, the owner, is a good host and has another restaurant in Hisaronu, the Robin Hood and also ran Robin Hood Estate Agency. He speaks good English.
The restaurant is on the main road between Petrol Ofisi and the turn off into the centre with a car park at the side. My estimate is that it can comfortably seat about 50-60 outside and 30-40 inside, there is an outside pool table and bar area.
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oh, we saw this being built when we were over at Easter and wondered what it would be. Good news, look forward to visiting in July. (another excuse not to cook at home ;):D)
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PARK ALYA RESTAURANT
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That gets my vote as the most pointless post on CBF (2010), and you have to admit, competition is stiff ;)
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Been there and it was excellent food, service and good prices. Ali was very welcoming. There is a small pool table by the bar and TV inside ready for the world cup matches leaving the females to grace the bar...lol
Fi
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I bet Jacqui H won't be gracing the bar if she is in the vicinity - glued to the telly with the rest of us !
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Be careful people, he should be called Robin Barsteward, see Take a break magezine, holiday romance Turkey, 2008, well worth a read?: :): :)
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BM06 -:D
Think I'd prefer to support Elaina.
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Have you got a link for this? I would hate to call anybody anything without hearing the story first
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Originally posted by BM06
Be careful people, he should be called Robin Barsteward, see Take a break magezine, holiday romance Turkey, 2008, well worth a read?: :): :)
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Not taking sides on this. Restaurant is lovely and the menu good, and reasonable prices.
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We also have visited the restaurant and enjoyed the meal very much, it is a lovely place . We had a really good evening with friends and family.. :)
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We went their last week, up market type feel, service good, prices OK, food OK, chef got one dish completely wrong and my on my mixed grill the steak was substituted with liver! no steak was the answer. I assumed that these were due to not being open long, I do wish them good luck this season. It's good to see a number of restaurants in the village, Musties is No 1 for us great value, service and quality.
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Wasn't when you ordered the time to inform you there was no steak? Doesn't sound particularly up market to me!
I know people, actually including Mrs Scunner that would send the whole lot back at the very sight/smell of liver on the plate.
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Robin B.........does Robin give us a clue here: :)
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Originally posted by Scunner
I know people, actually including Mrs Scunner that would send the whole lot back at the very sight/smell of liver on the plate.
euwww me toooo. Not sure I'll risk it now :o[xx(] !!!!
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Yes I loathe liver, -it would have been sent straight back.
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Lots of turkish restauranst serve liver with a mixed grill....so be aware and perhaps ask first :)
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Yes but that is normally listed in the menu, this was just given as they had no steak.
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Plus it was dolphin liver
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Under the circumstances I find that post Disgusting saoirse! Or am I missing something?
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oh get over yourself its only a joke jeeez!
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A joke is supposed to be funny!!
Tell the joke to Dolphin Angels and everybody else trying to save Misha & Tom and see what reaction you get off them!!
:o :o :o
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sigh
I fully support the dolphin campaign 100%
If my black humour caused offence to anyone full apologies
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We went twice last week ,1st time great, village salad and bottle of water and bread included in price of meal ,second time no salad and no water ! asked why? were told that people have complained it waa too much???? if Ali had told us on arrival perhaps we would have had a starter !!!!
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It sounds very much like this Ali has (and this is the kind description) "the gift of the gab".
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Or he could have asked you if you wanted the salad and water : :)
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Every new shop every new resturant all have promotions or lost leaders, the same as Kipa....promotions dont stay on forever.
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Trouble is no one said it was a promotion!!!!!
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This entire topic puzzles me. When this Ali character first turned up on CBF it was quite apparent that he was about as welcome with Uzumluites as Billy Connolly's proverbial "fart in a spacesuit". Now he has opened his restaurant all is forgiven. I have never met the guy and have no wish to either. It just goes to confirm my long held opinion that memories in expat Turkey are extremely short.
Here is the post I ended up making, locking his first appearance at CBF: http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=3.6&TOPIC_ID=32685#288048
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call me slow, but I couldn't understand the undercurrent on this thread, now all is clear ! thank you Mr boss.
I'd prefer to put my hard earned pennies into local pockets that deserve it.
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Most people who go to his restaurant will judge him on his food/service etc at that establishment, not on any alledged or real previous misdeeds.
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I take each person how I find them. He built our villa and we are happy with it and our dealings with him. I have never made a habit of doing a character search on the owners of restaurants I eat in, or shops I shop in. I CAN say we had an excellent meal at Ali's restaurant last night and will continue to eat there while the standard is so good.
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Originally posted by saoirse
Most people who go to his restaurant will judge him on his food/service etc at that establishment, not on any alledged or real previous misdeeds.
Yes I used to tell Mrs Scunner that when we were courting. Somewhat blinkered, she was never keen on the Fred West Diner :D
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yeah next time I go to a new restaurant I will say "Well done steak, plenty of onions and oh yes, were you a love rat years ago"
Will get some reaction in my local Chinese!
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Dont forget the salad and water:P
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Saoirse, love your posts mostly but please check spelling i.e. comming and alledged! sharpen up! and sorry about the film. No wonder you didn't make Mayor!As a compulsive poster - must do better !
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Frank-just so you dont make a Dick out of yourself for a 3rd time (Croatia!!!!!) its normal forum etiquette not to critisise spelling errors
Any sign of you turning round Bleak House????
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"Bleak House" doing very nicely,and "washing its face" ,as they say. Surprised to hear from you because I thought you were off to sort out the Gaza problem,as only you seem to be able to do. Hold my hand up re Croatia , but I do like the strip. Just to make your evening a happy one - it's spelt "criticize" .Tedious to the extreme, I know but there we have it ! I so look forward to your intelligent and constructive posts...
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Can you two step aside? We're slagging off this restaurant here thanks :D
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Point taken !
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we agree with scunner on this topic give elaina her 100.000 grand back
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Well I was a bit more subtle than that :D
I don't know Elaina (as far as I know) or this guy but I would be able to expand the topic into a new one entitled "People who were roundly despised right up till the day they opened a bar/restaurant". I can think of about 10 without even trying, something particularly specific to establishments and expats in Turkey.
Anyway I don't give a monkey's to be honest, I only highlighted the change in local opinion. Job done, bye!
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Pegleg, to the point, and of course quiet correct, nice one. P.S. (where you in the diplomatic corp by any chance).
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Only two premises in Uzumlu offering live World Cup England games one is 'Alya' other is 'Grapes Garden' lets see who supports who?
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Cadianda is showing it too.
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Why is restaurant v restaurant choice so important in Uzumlu? It's almost tribal up there judging by some of the posts :)
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Not exactly Tribal, sets say there might be rival supporters.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Why is restaurant v restaurant choice so important in Uzumlu? It's almost tribal up there judging by some of the posts :)
Its no different to Ovacik or Calis where people have their favorite pubs to watch Premier League Football or Rugby. Its a pleasant change to not have to travel to Calis to watch the world cup. We can stay within a short stagger home:D
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I think in Calis it's a little more sophisticated than A or B :D
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You saying that us locals in Uzumlu are not sophisticated?.. ;) 8)
It's not just a case of A & B....you forgot C...lol: :):D
It's only a game after all... ;): :) :o
Ducking and running now...lol
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A 'D' has been uncovered too now [:o]
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Yes D has been uncovered. The Winehouse has installed a TV and will be showing the world cup games. So that is another lovely eating place in Uzumlu to watch the football, if you like that sort of thing :D ;) LOL
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Dear Scunner
Could you please help me
I too wanna watch the footie in Uzumlu but wish to cheer on North Korea
Have you any ideas where I should do this
Lonely Commy
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I think the South Korea fans will be congregating at the Grape Garden. Probably best to avoid that one. Mind you, Cadianda is North Korean for "your bum smells of marzipan" so it isn't going to be easy, Chairman Saorise.
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Thank you for that
Well as I pass the grape garden I will shout in at them-we sunk yur boat!!!!
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You Seem Dumb
That's not an insult, that's one of the guys going to the Grape Garden.
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we were up visiting friends overnight, went to this resteraunt and WOW, the food was amazing, the staff great and attentive but not to attentive, the prices were good, in fact the owner asked if the prices were ok and not to high, certainly one to visit if you are in the area.
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No thanks: :)
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dycedon - which restaurant are you talking about? They've all been mentioned
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Ayla, and BM thats your choice im not asking you personnaly to visit, me thinks you have a beef with this guy and its personal so keep it personal and dont spoil it for other people to try for themselves.
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Originally posted by dycedon
Ayla, and BM thats your choice im not asking you personnaly to visit, me thinks you have a beef with this guy and its personal so keep it personal and dont spoil it for other people to try for themselves.
Yes your right i have a problem with all scum bags that rip people off(to the tune of 100,000 and move on to the next village) and like you say i have a choice, if you care to read the other posts i am not the only one who has a memory, wish him all the luck in the world NOT[:(!] i understood that a forum was to share information good or bad,as you say you have made your choice, a word of warning watch your wallet ;)
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BM im a practicing Aberdonian nobody gets near my wallet.
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Originally posted by dycedon
we were up visiting friends overnight, went to this resteraunt and WOW, the food was amazing, the staff great and attentive but not to attentive, the prices were good, in fact the owner asked if the prices were ok and not to high, certainly one to visit if you are in the area.
Got to agree went to curry night last night and it was superb, the whole place is so professional the waiters are very smart and the service excellent and the food superb, the curry night is every Thursday and I certainly will be going back next Thursday.
The starters are either a salad or soup and for main course there is a choice of Tandoori Chicken, Chicken Curry or Veggie Curry Capatis or Naan Bread all scrumpious. Well done Ali Yaba this is what Uzumlu has neede for a long time GOOD quality competition and Efes at 3.5 TL.
:):D
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Originally posted by dycedon
BM im a practicing Aberdonian nobody gets near my wallet.
Nice one dycedon, i am what we call an old wallet, its the new wallets i am trying to help and advise ;):D
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Originally posted by pegleg
we agree with scunner on this topic give elaina her 100.000 grand back
Yes, Mr Ali Yaba - please give me back the money you owe me.: :): :) You, your lies and your greed have destroyed my life, my career and my family.:( You made a lot of money at my expense - £100K up front in 2003 enabled you to buy cheap land in Uzumlu and helped you to start up your business with your partners. You made me wait for over 3 years before parming me off with an overpriced apartment - because I was a "friend and not a customer" - your words not mine. You have refused to give me the tapu so I have had no alternative but to take court action. Yes, I should have known better than to have trusted the likes of you. Yes, I was stupid but you misled me with your outrageous lies - deception in the first degree. I was not the first and I doubt I will be the last - your performance was far too "polished". Like all good con men you "hook" your victim with promises of friendship, help and trust - all lies of course - and as soon as you win their trust you "reel" them in. The part with their cash and you let them go. Easy - just like fishing. This practise may be considered acceptable in Turkey and it appears to be condoned by the majority of the ex-pats living there, however here in the UK there are laws to stop people like you. I know you want me to go away and I will just as soon as you give me what you owe me. Please feel free to contact my lawyer with any reasonable offer.
Mr Scunner you mention that you do not know this man, but you may know him by sight and not name. In 2006 and 2007 he was at the Place in the Sun exhibition at the Excel centre in London. No he did not have a stand there - he just paraded around with his laptop and Robin Hood leaflets, and could usually be found propping up the bar whilst trying to poach interested buyers from exhibitors who had paid good money for their stands. I was surprised he was not thrown out by security. If I had paid for a stand only to find him muscling in I would not have been too happy.
Regarding the TAB story - I had known him 2 years before I parted with the money. I happened to walk into his restaurant in Hisaronu clutching a Hanel Houses brochure and the rest was history. The article mentions a "showdown" in the restaurant - well I can assure you that incident did not take place because I am not a confrontational person. I could not afford to be in my job as an occupational welfare officer for a Whitehall government department - perhaps that is why I was so patient and understanding - a good quality in some cases but a weakness when dealing with people like him.
I know some members of this forum probably think I deserved what happened but I did no wrong - for God's sake I did not go there looking for trouble I holiday with my mother who is 86. This man lied to me and made me feel sorry for him - he was getting divorced and his wife had stopped him from seeing his son. As a single parent I could empathise with that and I felt sorry for him - my ex husband did not keep in touch with his kids and here was this man desperately trying to see his son. I was Taken in Hook, Line and Sinker.
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A superbly calm and brave post Elaina. I believe money acquired by deception is cursed money, ultimately it causes huge personal unhappiness and bad luck (and often debt). You may have to be patient, but eventually...
Happiness isn't measured in cash, something we should never forget.
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Are you still going to eat there Dycedon now that you know the facts about this man?
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Originally posted by Scunner
A superbly calm and brave post Elaina. I believe money acquired by deception is cursed money, ultimately it causes huge personal unhappiness and bad luck (and often debt). You may have to be patient, but eventually...
Happiness isn't measured in cash, something we should never forget.
Thank you Mr Scunner. I had resisted posting about this on the forum until now for fear of being ridiculed but I feel it is best to be honest and face up to what has happened as a warning to others which is why I wnet to TAB. I have just returned home from Uzumlu - problems as usual- it would be nice to go to Turkey and have a have a holiday for once and I feel so desperately sorry for my mother - she does not have many years left. On an apartment that is less than 4 years old I have now been told that it needs to have a complete new roof and also whilst i was there I had to pay for having the large solar tank replaced despite having no tapu- so I am not the legal owner. I have also paid all insurances and electricity since September 2006. I am hoping some of these expenses will be recoverable because at the end of the day legally the place is not mine. I can see the lights of this new "ALYA" establishment from my balcony and I can also hear the music - this man is blatant and is rubbing salt in the wound - so how people can eat there with a clear conciense is beyond me - I think i would be physically sick and my loyalty for a fellow countryman would get the better of me but I have morals. However when people move abroad they seem to leave their loyalty and scruples behind them. Despite what has happened I still love Turkey and it is a great tragedy that people like Ali Yaba give the country a bad name - for so many of my colleagues at work the country is now firmly on their "No List". I am still in touch with Siofra from TAB because they are anxious to know the outcome of my case and I know they are considering running a few positive Turkey stories as they always seem to focus on the negative - so the ball is firmly in Mr Yaba's court so to speak. My daughter will not come to Turkey at any price because he threatened to have her wiped out - so he is not a man to mess with and to be quite honest when I am there I am in fear but I have to go there because I have invested money there. So many people think this will never happen to them - all I can say is "There but for thre Grace of God". Perhaps if they were to put themselves in my position they would feel differently.
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Originally posted by friar tuck
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Originally posted by dycedon
we were up visiting friends overnight, went to this resteraunt and WOW, the food was amazing, the staff great and attentive but not to attentive, the prices were good, in fact the owner asked if the prices were ok and not to high, certainly one to visit if you are in the area.
Got to agree went to curry night last night and it was superb, the whole place is so professional the waiters are very smart and the service excellent and the food superb, the curry night is every Thursday and I certainly will be going back next Thursday.
The starters are either a salad or soup and for main course there is a choice of Tandoori Chicken, Chicken Curry or Veggie Curry Capatis or Naan Bread all scrumpious. Well done Ali Yaba this is what Uzumlu has neede for a long time GOOD quality competition and Efes at 3.5 TL.
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I heard hes doing a chinese night too?
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Easy to ignore when it isn't your 100 grand I guess Phil.
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If I were to avoid every shop, bar, restauarant establishment that somebody had a beef about I wouldnt be able to go out.
Obviously I have every sympathy for anyone who has money stolen from them.
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Wer'e not talking a couple of quid in a shop here and how many times do you get threatened when you go into a shop or restaurant. This isn't A beef. It's hers and her familys life ruined.
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Originally posted by saoirse
If I were to avoid every shop, bar, restauarant establishment that somebody had a beef about I wouldnt be able to go out.
Obviously I have every sympathy for anyone who has money stolen from them.
well I suppose one woman's great misery is another man's great curry so with that I'll leave you all in this topic to enjoy this place, financed with stolen money. I'm done, thanks.
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Me too!!
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i try to give un bias posts and some humour ;) on this site and also try to point new wallets in the right direction, i own a company in Turkey and have been trading in cloth and granite,(kitchen work tops for the wives that eat out) on a monthly basis for about 15 years now, i have made good money and i have been quite lucky with the genuine Turkish people i have met and deal with, but this scum bag is a wrong un, i really do not wan't to go into the in's and out's on an open forum, but this lady fell in love with Turkey like we all did :o and this scum bag ripped her off, its up to you new wallets if you think a lepper changes its spots (excuse my spelling)i hope you enjoy your meals at the his establishment, thanks Elaina for your honest and genuine post ;) if they only new half of it,[:(!] TC hun xx :)
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Sympathy is OK, Saoirse, support is better.
Definition of Fraud
'criminal deception, the use of false representation to gain an unjust advantage, a dishonest artifice or trick'
That,to me, amounts to stealing.: :)
This has been a long, hard, stressful battle for Elaina, two and half, three years of trying to get her money back through the Courts. AliBaba doesn't even turn up to the hearings.
Just hope that any lady who goes to the restaurant by herself has read this forum and doesn't get sucked in by him. Slicker than an oil spill
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Mercury the answer is if i am in Uzumlu, which is not very often i will certainly eat there again, i read the comment regarding the lady losing her money and believe it or not i feel for her but i dont know her, i take people the way i find them and i was well impressed with the Ayla and its staff, to be honest Mercury it really is none of your business where i choose to eat or not eat and i am not open to emotional blackmail from you or anyone else on this forum, i hope this answers your question, probably not the answer you were looking for but there you go.
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Originally posted by dycedon
Mercury the answer is if i am in Uzumlu, which is not very often i will certainly eat there again, i read the comment regarding the lady losing her money and believe it or not i feel for her but i dont know her, i take people the way i find them and i was well impressed with the Ayla and its staff, to be honest Mercury it really is none of your business where i choose to eat or not eat and i am not open to emotional blackmail from you or anyone else on this forum, i hope this answers your question, probably not the answer you were looking for but there you go.
Perhaps when he rips you off you will feel a little differently. I would prefer to give my support to the decent, honest hardworking Turkish people in Uzumlu who are trying to make an honest living. Guys like him make their lives harder and cause people to mistrust the Turkish people as a whole There are plenty of other nice establishments in Uzumlu but it is your choice. As I said I never thought it would happen to me - remeber it it could happen to you one day and i am sure you would want support. This is why i was reluctant of posting anything regarding this on this forum for fear of being laughed at by people such as yourself. This establishment has been built partly on stolen money but if you are comfortable eating there then as Ali would say "Enjoy your meals!"
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Lets get something straight
I dont know the victim from adam nor the restaurant owner from adam. I go out to Uzumlu for part of the year for a quiet time and the odd meal out. We keep ourselves to ourselves and bother no one. I am not getting involved with the ins and outs between loverats, conmen, or whatever. I know none of the parties involved and take people as I find them. Period
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Elaina whilst i have every sympathy with your plight i will not be goaded into something i dont want to do, i will eat where i want to eat and i can tell you without fear of conviction that i will or would not be ripped off by anybody in Turkey regarding land or house, we went through a reputable agent and it all came good as i said i have every sympathy for you but will not be patronised of ADVISED what to do by anyone.
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Sorry Elaina, i missed part of your last post, i can say that i was not laughing at you, i really dont know where you got that from, certainly not from my posts, as i said i am very sympathetic to your plight but will not be coerced into anything by anybody as i have said previously it is only my opinion. I think you are very brave posting your plight and have posted it in the right place to let everbody know about this guy, but everbody are still entitled to there opinion which is the whole purpose of a forum.
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Elaina, I am so sorry for the position you and your family find yourselves in.I think what people on this forum have to remember is that it could happen to anyone of us.I don't think anyone of us here have'nt been ripped off in one way or another.
We would do well to remember the phrase "There but for the grace of God, go I".
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All I can say is "Enjoy your meals" and i hope it does not happen to you. The court will make their decision and this man wants me to lose everything but I am going to go down fighting and I am damn sure I will take him with me and i sincerely hope they will close this estasblishment down and he gets what he deserves but it is his country and I am therefore at a disadvantage and i know that. I have done all I can to reason with this man and it has come to nothing - plus I have paid £8k in court costs alone. I wanted to take early retirement and enjoy my place in the sun, as most of you do or have done but because of all this crap I will have to work until I am 71 so i will no doubt I will be pushing up the daisies before then. Can I therefore assume that because it does not affect you directly, that you will all be swimming with the dolphins then. Anyway enjoy your meal while you can - I am off to buy my hat for a certain Garden Party where I am hoping to be able to generate some support where i seem to have failed here. Thank you.
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This establishment will not be getting my or our visitors support. As Elaina pointed out Turkey is full of hard-working decent people and it is ruined by the few intent on ripping off unsuspecting tourists. Uzumlu has many really good restaurants run by decent people. Why bother with those with shady reputations? I am impressed that despite her bad experience she can still see goodness in Turkey. Well done, it shows you are a survivor and not the victim of this greedy man.
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Originally posted by Rosy
This establishment will not be getting my or our visitors support. As Elaina pointed out Turkey is full of hard-working decent people and it is ruined by the few intent on ripping off unsuspecting tourists. Uzumlu has many really good restaurants run by decent people. Why bother with those with shady reputations? I am impressed that despite her bad experience she can still see goodness in Turkey. Well done, it shows you are a survivor and not the victim of this greedy man.
Thank you for your support Rosy - it is much appreciated. However i know there are some poeple out there who will do anything for a cheap Efes and i know his prices may be cheap at the moment but once he has eliminated the local competition (put the decent hardworking locals out of business) and lets face it he must be running at a loss at the moment - sprat to catch a mackerel so to speak - his prices will just shoot up and then everyone will be moaning. Uzumlu is only a small place and they are all fighting for survival. Thank you once again.
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I only have some Turkish friends in Uzumlu and they have invited me there for a night out and have suggested his place. I have since pointed out your experience with him and my Turkish friends are utterly ashamed to hear this, and will no longer go there. I know that is not much comfort for you and the position you find yourself in, but good to know that at least one Turkish family I know in Uzumlu will now keep away.
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Originally posted by elaina
All I can say is "Enjoy your meals" and i hope it does not happen to you. The court will make their decision and this man wants me to lose everything but I am going to go down fighting and I am damn sure I will take him with me and i sincerely hope they will close this estasblishment down and he gets what he deserves but it is his country and I am therefore at a disadvantage and i know that. I have done all I can to reason with this man and it has come to nothing - plus I have paid £8k in court costs alone. I wanted to take early retirement and enjoy my place in the sun, as most of you do or have done but because of all this crap I will have to work until I am 71 so i will no doubt I will be pushing up the daisies before then. Can I therefore assume that because it does not affect you directly, that you will all be swimming with the dolphins then. Anyway enjoy your meal while you can - I am off to buy my hat for a certain Garden Party where I am hoping to be able to generate some support where i seem to have failed here. Thank you.
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i feel ashamed to be British When i hear what these expats have to say They all insupport of banning the Dolphins But A Genuine true case like yours Elaine , They can turn a BLiND EYE Now Alya restaurant Food and beer prices are LESS than any other in Uzumlu. And i HAVE NO DOUBT these people like saiorse or friar duck etc. will also be going to the Dolpinarium has they seem to only care about them self until it happen to them.. 8)
What s the Difference !!! A Human life being destroyed or Dolphins life being intorment..
We will not go there too also and will not recommend to anyone.
Enjoy your meals in there. such a shame.. pity
Tony.
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It will ease your national conscience to learn I am not British
How me choosing not to get involved over some loverat/conman dispute between people I know nothing about, makes me an animal hater is beyond me.
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Originally posted by saoirse
It will ease your national conscience to learn I am not British
How me choosing not to get involved over some loverat/conman dispute between people I know nothing about, makes me an animal hater is beyond me.
Well said.
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Originally posted by Rindaloo
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Originally posted by saoirse
It will ease your national conscience to learn I am not British
How me choosing not to get involved over some loverat/conman dispute between people I know nothing about, makes me an animal hater is beyond me.
Well said.
Yes well it did not happen to you so you were lucky. Thanks fo ryour support (not)
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Elaiine, I am truly dismayed at what has happened to you and hope you get justice. I can only speak of the Ali I know and will not be dictated to by certain CBF members and it IS preposterous for TWilkins to suggest that anyone eating at his restaurant will also go to the dolphinaruim. I wish you all the best.
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TWilkins didn't say people who eat at the restaurant will go and watch the dolphins and I am sure you know that. His point was that Brits can collectively form an alliance to help dolphins who are suffering but are happy to turn a blind eye to human suffering. It is a valid point. "People like" is not "people who".
Furthermore, nobody has dictated to anyone about where they can or cannot eat, but at least attempted to allow you to know all the facts before deciding. In bring both points together, I wonder if the people happy to eat at this restaurant would be equally happy to eat at a new Uzumlu restaurant if the Russian behind the dolphinarium were to open one.
I said I wouldn't post again in this topic and for that I apologise, but you are taking TWilkins post and turning it into things he quite simply didn't say.
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Originally posted by Rindaloo
Elaiine, I am truly dismayed at what has happened to you and hope you get justice. I can only speak of the Ali I know and will not be dictated to by certain CBF members and it IS preposterous for TWilkins to suggest that anyone eating at his restaurant will also go to the dolphinaruim. I wish you all the best.
If the Ali you know is honest and an honourable man then he would give me back what he owes me and there would have been no need for me to go to court. He has a case to answer and that is why it has gone this far and you know that. This new establishment is operating at a loss - his meals are no more expensive than other establishments in uzumlu for the moment and he appears to be offering more from what has been said. He can afford to do that when he is risking someone else's money - at the end of the day when my case is finished and he has no money we will know where it went. I will say no more please eat there with a clear conscience and enjoy your meal because after all I'm helping to pay for it.
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Originally posted by Scunner
TWilkins didn't say people who eat at the restaurant will go and watch the dolphins and I am sure you know that. His point was that Brits can collectively form an alliance to help dolphins who are suffering but are happy to turn a blind eye to human suffering. It is a valid point. "People like" is not "people who".
Furthermore, nobody has dictated to anyone about where they can or cannot eat, but at least attempted to allow you to know all the facts before deciding. In bring both points together, I wonder if the people happy to eat at this restaurant would be equally happy to eat at a new Uzumlu restaurant if the Russian behind the dolphinarium were to open one.
I said I wouldn't post again in this topic and for that I apologise, but you are taking TWilkins post and turning it into things he quite simply didn't say.
And i HAVE NO DOUBT these people like saiorse or friar duck etc. will also be going to the Dolpinarium has they seem to only care about them self until it happen to them..
Must be a local phrasology issue then Scunner cos where I come from in the quote above he was referring to me
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People like you Phil not you specifically ;)
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But my mum (god rest her) always said there was NOBODY like me!
No come to think of it what she actually said was nobody likes me!
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Your mum (god rest her) was right!
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...and I did reply before you put the second line in!!!
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Think we all need to take a deep breath.
Don't think anyone has specifically said or told anyone not to eat there. They've just said they wouldn't eat there (including me)and explained the reasons.
Of course we all have choices of what to do etc. but if we don't stand by each other (as yabanci, English, Irish or German) to try and stop this type of thing then it will never change.
Would you be happy knowing that a house you are considering buying has been built on money stolen from somebody elses 'dream home' The builder decided to take out a loan on their tapu to build? I think we'd all think 'will he do the same to me/my dream house before I get the tapu?. To my mind same difference. It was Elaina's money that originally financed Robin Hood Villas etc.
The fact that you're getting a good, cheap meal (at the cost of all the other good restaurants in the village) shouldn't IMO, come into it. I would rather support the restaurants who I know are hardworking and honest :).
Rindaloo - your comments about Ali - that's great. But perhaps he knows you're not a vulnerable, single woman so won't bother to try and con you.
Elaina is not the first, probably won't be the last. But so long as he has a high public profile sure as eggs are eggs he'll try to hit on suseptible women again and again.
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When you are in there enjoying your meal and his professional attitude why not ask his side of the story.
You might see a different side.
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I don't think I ever met Elaina when living in Uzumlu but I was well aware of her story and it was perhaps the worst of many terrible 'rip offs' that seem to be perpetrated on trusting (and naive) Brits by unscrupulous Turks. I genuinely hope Elaina gets justice (but I doubt whatever the courts decide she will see her money) and I fervently hope this scumbag goes out of business pretty quickly and gets the hell out of Uzumlu.
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Scunner .... Don't you think this topic has gone on far enough?
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Agree with you 100%, reading what Elaina has been thru and still going thru, I wouldn't go there if the owner was throwing a free night. Something he could probably afford to do with the money he has that is not his.
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Originally posted by chris tippett
I don't think I ever met Elaina when living in Uzumlu but I was well aware of her story and it was perhaps the worst of many terrible 'rip offs' that seem to be perpetrated on trusting (and naive) Brits by unscrupulous Turks. I genuinely hope Elaina gets justice (but I doubt whatever the courts decide she will see her money) and I fervently hope this scumbag goes out of business pretty quickly and gets the hell out of Uzumlu.
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Originally posted by bikerchickblonde
Scunner .... Don't you think this topic has gone on far enough?
Gone far enough? No more than any other topic. This one is open to those who want to go and those who wouldn't. It is even open for anyone to give another side of the story. It's all fair here on CBF.
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Originally posted by elaina
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Originally posted by pegleg
we agree with scunner on this topic give elaina her 100.000 grand back
Yes, Mr Ali Yaba - please give me back the money you owe me.: :): :) You, your lies and your greed have destroyed my life, my career and my family.:( You made a lot of money at my expense - £100K up front in 2003 enabled you to buy cheap land in Uzumlu and helped you to start up your business with your partners. You made me wait for over 3 years before parming me off with an overpriced apartment - because I was a "friend and not a customer" - your words not mine. You have refused to give me the tapu so I have had no alternative but to take court action. Yes, I should have known better than to have trusted the likes of you. Yes, I was stupid but you misled me with your outrageous lies - deception in the first degree. I was not the first and I doubt I will be the last - your performance was far too "polished". Like all good con men you "hook" your victim with promises of friendship, help and trust - all lies of course - and as soon as you win their trust you "reel" them in. The part with their cash and you let them go. Easy - just like fishing. This practise may be considered acceptable in Turkey and it appears to be condoned by the majority of the ex-pats living there, however here in the UK there are laws to stop people like you. I know you want me to go away and I will just as soon as you give me what you owe me. Please feel free to contact my lawyer with any reasonable offer.
Mr Scunner you mention that you do not know this man, but you may know him by sight and not name. In 2006 and 2007 he was at the Place in the Sun exhibition at the Excel centre in London. No he did not have a stand there - he just paraded around with his laptop and Robin Hood leaflets, and could usually be found propping up the bar whilst trying to poach interested buyers from exhibitors who had paid good money for their stands. I was surprised he was not thrown out by security. If I had paid for a stand only to find him muscling in I would not have been too happy.
Regarding the TAB story - I had known him 2 years before I parted with the money. I happened to walk into his restaurant in Hisaronu clutching a Hanel Houses brochure and the rest was history. The article mentions a "showdown" in the restaurant - well I can assure you that incident did not take place because I am not a confrontational person. I could not afford to be in my job as an occupational welfare officer for a Whitehall government department - perhaps that is why I was so patient and understanding - a good quality in some cases but a weakness when dealing with people like him.
I know some members of this forum probably think I deserved what happened but I did no wrong - for God's sake I did not go there looking for trouble I holiday with my mother who is 86. This man lied to me and made me feel sorry for him - he was getting divorced and his wife had stopped him from seeing his son. As a single parent I could empathise with that and I felt sorry for him - my ex husband did not keep in touch with his kids and here was this man desperately trying to see his son. I was Taken in Hook, Line and Sinker.
Well said Elaine & about time you posted what this Yabba Yabba.... has done to you & your family [xx(], your trials have been going on for far too long!
It is especially invidious when you've been duped by someone who gained your trust & claimed to be your friend 8) What goes around comes around.... eventually : :).
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Originally posted by bikerchickblonde
Scunner .... Don't you think this topic has gone on far enough?
I agree BCB, 7 years is far too bloody long!!
Give Elaine her money back Yabba [:(!]
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Is there a link anywhere to the Take a break article?
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From a couple of years ago, perhaps. Well known village story, Phillip. Basically he is a sh*t who, at the start of the year, asked 'what do you want, I will go and talk to the Baskan for you' got blasted by Scunner (and others) for being so presumptious.
He is not a local (even though his parents are) doesn't live in Uzumlu and is a nasty, money-grabbing barsteward who has no morals. No problem with 'conning' you,'we will get married, have a beautiful life' but already married with 2 children. Moslems can, of course, have 4 wives. Christians can't.
Up to you. Pleae don't support him, good curry or not.
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Originally posted by saoirse
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Originally posted by Scunner
TWilkins didn't say people who eat at the restaurant will go and watch the dolphins and I am sure you know that. His point was that Brits can collectively form an alliance to help dolphins who are suffering but are happy to turn a blind eye to human suffering. It is a valid point. "People like" is not "people who".
Furthermore, nobody has dictated to anyone about where they can or cannot eat, but at least attempted to allow you to know all the facts before deciding. In bring both points together, I wonder if the people happy to eat at this restaurant would be equally happy to eat at a new Uzumlu restaurant if the Russian behind the dolphinarium were to open one.
I said I wouldn't post again in this topic and for that I apologise, but you are taking TWilkins post and turning it into things he quite simply didn't say.
And i HAVE NO DOUBT these people like saiorse or friar duck etc. will also be going to the Dolpinarium has they seem to only care about them self until it happen to them..
Must be a local phrasology issue then Scunner cos where I come from in the quote above he was referring to me
Why pick on me and by the way sadrose it is friar tuck not friar duck or is that your attempt at humour, I posted on a topic entitled Ayla New Resurant Brill and I have not commented on what has gone on between Elaina because I have only heard one side of the story, and as we all know there are always two sides to every story, it is not up to me to decide who is right and who is wrong, that is for the courts to decide, now if you do not trust the Turkish Juidical System then why buy here.
It is sad how this topic has gone so much off course and how some members have made up their minds about a man they do not really know, I have commentad on all the eating places in Uzumlu and that is all I have done here, I will be going to Alya again and yes if the meal was as good as last week I will certainly enjoy it again.
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Hi Cliff
Saoirse didn't call you that, he was quoting TWilkins, who called you that. Just saying as a point of order, I know what the Irish can be like if they are misquoted ;)
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Thank you Scunner
Didnt understand why Friar Tuck was having a pop at me!
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Agreed, it's normally quite obvious why people are having a pop at you!
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I often wonder the same !
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Originally posted by saoirse
Thank you Scunner
Didnt understand why Friar Tuck was having a pop at me!
Appologies saoirse if I upset you I owe you an Efes or two, I hope that this thread is done now and hope that people can make up their own minds about this RESTAURANT and not the guy that runs it.
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I said the same Friar during a recent visit to General Pinochet's Chilean Steakhouse! Forget the 29,000 he tortured I told my mates, this is a cracking sirloin!
TIC
(Tongue in cheek)
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Like you say Friar, its all about choice, you have made yours, others i hope will make theirs, enjoy your meal:-\
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No probs Friar-we will maybe have a beer in Uzumlu someday but best keep our chosen establishment secret from the moral majority!