Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Koca Calis & Ciftlik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Carpete on May 26, 2012, 20:39:32 PM
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As a non driver I am incredibly frustrated at the inability to access the village now. The shops/resturants/barbers etc must also be noticing a drop in customers. Is there any means by which we can bring this to the attention of the local officials and eventually get somesort of bridge, underpass, crossing, in place so those of us who don't drive here can walk down to Ciftlik again, reasonably safely?
Carpete
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What's changed Carpete? We usually cross the road after walking through Cicek and over the little bridge towards the main road. Then across from there there is a little road that comes out near the Pide Cafe.
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They have made the kerbs quite high near there, and possibly put in some foliage on the centre of the dual carriagewaywhich would make it quite difficult to cross.Maybe need to cross near the roundabout,
Ron
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Ron that doubles the walk, not really viable if you are just going down for bread and eggs for breakfast. It would be lunch! Stoop, when did you last walk down? It's like Brands Hatch on a bad day now, and last week, impassable if you had a bike.
Carpete
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Its the way we get to Ciftlik by bike since they changed the dual carriageway
Ron
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Just to clarify as I may not have made it clear, my original question was about actually walking down to the village. If you have a bike then thats another slant on the situation.
Carpete
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you brought the bike into it on your previous post, so my presumption was you were riding your bike.
Theres always the little shop near to the Alperin
Ron
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Carol,
We missed out last year so its about 18 months since we went. I agree with you that walking via the roundabout is much further than crossing where we use to. We sometimes walked but mostly biked that way. Shame if it can't be done now.
Ron - if you check the first post you will see Carol only mentioned walking.
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and the 4th post ??
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'impassable if you had a bike.'
I don't see where she says she has one ;-)
Anyway it sounds a bit of a mess. It's a much nicer walk/bike ride the way we used to go - and shorter. As usual the Turkish planners mess it up.
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Don't have a bike! Never had a bike. Well not for 50 years! And pulling a loaded shoping trolley back over the current limited access is not a lot of fun and quite often impassible. I can't even do that but my neighbour attempts too and has to walk back from the market now, up to the roundabout and then back via the deniz kent, saglik roads. A lot of people who formerly shopped in Ciftlik (on foot) now don't because of the lack/difficulty of access.
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its not that bad its just different to what you are used too,go passed osko villas the slope at the end of the road is not very steep.I wish people would get used to things changing its what happens out here,stop moaning and just get on with it.
That feels better rant over.
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I'll reserve judgement until September when we go out.
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(http://s13.postimage.org/uqqpg5lcz/P1020484.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uqqpg5lcz/)
This is the area of road in question I would image it has now been given a high kerb
Ron
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Cheers Ron - looks like a ramp might be required ;)
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Having said all that surely the little road that leads down to the canal bridge at Cicek will have to remain accessible? This means the kerb will either have to be dropped at the entrance or the little road built up to the road level surely? There are houses and farms down there that will need access to the main road.
Same goes for the other side where it leads to Ciftlik village.
The stumbling block might be anything they put in the central reservation to discourage people crossing there on foot or by bike.
It's gonna be fun :)
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It was very difficult to cross last week when i tried, i am all for change for the better but this will effect the local buisnesses and market for sure :(
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Ive just returned from ciftlik and i agree its now not possible to cross the road to the village and as one member quoted there was a way across by going along the cannal by oskos but that access has now been filled in,you used to be able to cross there along the new walk way which they have made very nice its a shame.I have an electric scooter to get into the village but beleave me its dangerous with all the bull dozers and diggers working in that area.
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I hope that as more people have seen what has happened in the area and people have actaully seen the changes, my original question might seem a bit more relevant:-)
I have nothing against "change", I am quite long in the tooth and seen loads of "it". I would just like to be able to walk to Ciftlik again. I am sure the shops etc in Ciftlik would also feel the same.
Original question ie. " Is there any means by which we can bring this to the attention of the local officials and eventually get some sort of bridge, underpass, crossing, in place so those of us who don't drive here can walk down to Ciftlik again, reasonably safely?"
Carpete
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Styayed in Ciftlik for a week in June. We often walk into Calis via Koca Calis.
Crossing over the main D400 towards the Carretta beach bar (past the furniture shop). On foot it was manageable, the traffic now travels much faster as the road is wider so you have to time your cross carefully. The road is divided by a flower bed? about 3' across This is a high kerbed step up which is not filled in in the middle, so you step up step down step up step down. (maybe now it has been filled in)
It has certainly put us off cycling into Calis now with the girls, if we did it would have to be cross the girls, then go back for their bikes and then go back for our bikes!
Will try and take some photos in July / August.
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Progress hey?
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My son came home from our villa last week and on leaving noticed that workmen were installing concrete steps across the dalaman road for people to access the village on foot safely.Apparently they were in the process of doing several of these concrete steps at junctions where there are roads leadind down to the village.Im sure that perhaps some of the shop owners must of noticed a drop in trade and persauded the council do do some thing about it,good on them if this is correct.
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Do you mean bridges over the road?
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They can not be putting steps in - the cars on the outside lane would end up hitting them. would be better to leave little gaps for pedestrians to walk through with shopping trolleys etc. Would be easy for cyclists too. I doubt if they would be putting footbridges over - would that not be expensive.
We will be there next Wednesday and hope to hire some bikes for myself and younger daughter as she can not sit still for long, will go and take some photos to upload. Ot at least update this topic.
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Gaps would make more sense as we could then get across with our bikes. Steps seems odd unless they are on a bridge and even then they will be no good for bikes.
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Actually there are steps up the steep incline to the main road from the recently created secondary road which runs parallel to the main road leading to the lanes on the sea side of the village. The steps are set into the incline so do not intrude onto either road.
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Thanks Marjo, I understood it as steps over the road to make a bridge - not to assist us getting up the slopes! One week and I will be there and can see for myself!!!
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(http://s18.postimage.org/6r0qrwgph/P1030860.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6r0qrwgph/)
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(http://s18.postimage.org/6r0qrwgph/P1030860.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6r0qrwgph/)
View of steps from the service road up onto the dalaman road
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Thanks for the pitcures! These steps must further up the road from where we cross over to Koca Calis.
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they cross over to the garden centre, are near to the new boat showroom.
Ron