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Title: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Inspector on May 09, 2017, 16:19:05 PM
Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.

1- You have to have a static IP adres. Only this IP adress will be able to connect the system.

2- Pay program no more needed. You will connect with free software.

3- You dont need to do guest informing every day. You will do informing when they come and you will do the online informing when they left the villa 2-3 or 10 days later

4-If different people come and stay in your property even your friends and relatives you have to register id informing system. They explained that if you have income or not from this activity, is not their problem. They want to be informed about short term stays in apartments and villas.

5- If you have income from this activity you need to talk this with Tax Office.

6- They will not ask any documents from tax office on registration process.
Owner,
owners passport,
Tapu ,
adress of property (as registered on Nüfus system)
and your statik IP adres
will be enough to register police ID reporting system and get a password.

7- If owner gives power of attorney to a company or a person for registering ID system they can do the process on behalf of owner.

8- When they control the house they will check if they have been informed about this short term accomidation online. If not registered and different people come and stay at the house penalty 10000 lira. If ID report is not done to police system, 5000 lira penalty will be applied.

9- For rental contracts more than one year and more no need to get registered to police ID report system.

10- For Whom who stay with you as guest in your house is not needed registration to ID report system. If they will stay more than one month you need to get a temporrary id number for them and register their adress in Nufus Adress registration office as your guest.

I wish this will answer most of your questions.
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Post by: KKOB on May 09, 2017, 16:32:47 PM
Thanks Inspector.
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Post by: stoop on May 09, 2017, 17:43:43 PM
So now you are saying even close family with the same name cannot stay in our house unless we pay to register onto the system so that we can get the software and inform the authorities?

What is the minimum this will cost us?

Thanks.
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Post by: scorcher on May 09, 2017, 18:19:35 PM
thank you Inspector.  Can you tell us whether the software can be operated from outside Turkey i.e. UK??
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Post by: Inspector on May 09, 2017, 18:41:14 PM
So now you are saying even close family with the same name cannot stay in our house unless we pay to register onto the system so that we can get the software and inform the authorities?

What is the minimum this will cost us?

Thanks.
there is no cost and you dont need to buy a software as before
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Inspector on May 09, 2017, 18:44:04 PM
thank you Inspector.  Can you tell us whether the software can be operated from outside Turkey i.e. UK??
No more pau software needed. You can not connect from uk. You habe to have a statik ip adress in Fethiye
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Post by: Inspector on May 09, 2017, 18:49:39 PM
Most of members asking if they can connect to police system from UK. Police officers said no impossible. Before there was a software makes remote access to your computer and do reports from any where you want. We are not sure about that becouse this is a new system and program. If there is a side way I will inform members in the future
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 09, 2017, 19:52:40 PM
So in effect we would have to buy the program and pay someone in Turkey to run the system for us - even if we just want our family to stay?

I wonder if there might be a way a Sitesi might be able to do this for its owners? They could purchase whatever is required and then each owner could tell them when someone is staying at their property - paying or not.

It would then be up to the owner to declare any earnings and pay any tax due.

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Post by: Menthol on May 09, 2017, 20:05:26 PM
Thank you for this information, Inspector.
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Post by: Archers on May 09, 2017, 21:19:43 PM
Can you register if you haven't got residency or do you still have to set up as a limited company?

If the sitesi set it up, would we have to give them power of attorney?
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Post by: Karennina on May 09, 2017, 21:28:16 PM
Yes thank you Inspector for taking the time to update us after today's meeting...after seeing tonights news and how Turkey has jailed one of the ISIS members after aressting him he was apparantly stsying in a costal villa, I really see the need for the authorities to be able to track people if the need arises, personally i thought his sentence was too lenient!
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Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 09, 2017, 23:43:20 PM
I cannot get my head around this.  If my son and his wife stay with us.  We do not have to tell the Police because they have the same name as us?
If my daughter, son in law and Granddaughter stay,  We have to tell the Police because they have a different name.   So, how do I tell the Police?  Do I need a computer with a programme?
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Post by: busybee on May 10, 2017, 05:52:24 AM
Following too Jacqui, we will have our daughter and 3yr old grandson coming to stay with us.  Do we go to the local police station and inform them, or is there a web site, where we can put their details on?
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Post by: Fran on May 10, 2017, 06:25:08 AM
If they stay while you are there I believe you don't have to tell authorities. It's if they are they without you that you have to inform. I'm in the same position as my brother is coming to stay but I'll be in UK.


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Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 10, 2017, 06:41:45 AM
From my discussions with Cenk, anyone can stay at your property whilst you are there too - in that situation they would be classed as house guests.

As for immediate family with different surnames staying while you are not there, Cenk advised that either a marriage or birth certificate proving links to the owners surname would be required if challenged by the authorities.

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Post by: Karennina on May 10, 2017, 07:34:57 AM
We dont rent out never have and never will as its our second home   :)also dont have folk staying with us as we like to get away from everyone lol  ;) there will be teething problems when the system is first up and running theres bound to be, but myself if i did rent out i would be pleased with the outcome of  yesterday's meeting, the software is free, a lot of folk have their own internet in Turkey nowadays, a small laptop took over and left in the property to down/ upload the software on to, the registering of folks who are staying at said property only has to be done on arrival and departure now not daily, is it a possibilty that who ever stays at the property can register themselves once theyv arrived....

I for one now see why the fines have been set so high after watching the news last night that if we are ever going to combat terrorism the authorities need to know who is staying where and  make folk realise the importance of this...if your going to a hotel once youv left the airport you have to give your passport to reception on arrival, we have to stand together in getting those people like Isis who carry out their evil deeds and take away innocent people's lifes and devastate families brought to justice for their actions...
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: KKOB on May 10, 2017, 07:45:03 AM
1. So, hypothetically, I live permanently in Turkey. My brother, an international drugs and arms dealer and all-round naughty boy, regularly stays with me. I don't need to inform the authorities that he's a guest ?

2. I'm sure that I read somewhere that it's illegal for a hotel to retain your passport. They're perfectly entitled to examine it and record the details, but you are the only person, except for law officers, who is allowed to be in possession of it. In fact the passport belongs to the "issuing authority" and you are its keeper and should take good care of it on their behalf.
Title: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Somerset Simon on May 10, 2017, 08:08:09 AM
Thanks Inspector, can I check a couple points.

1/ All guests have to be registered if the Tapu stated owner is not present (so the previous views that owners children can stay was incorrect)?

2/ Can the details be input in advance, so an owner could set up for any stays during the season while they are in Turkey?

Thanks Simon
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Post by: stoop on May 10, 2017, 09:59:27 AM
Someone on FB is going to the police station to register today. No translator. They will report any problems later. I'll let you all know  :)
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Post by: tom kelly on May 10, 2017, 13:27:28 PM
Thanks Inspector for your time and effort.

Does anybody know where you need to go to register for the software etc?

I went to the Passport Police office today. They said I need to go to the Nufus office. The people at the Nufus office said I need to go to the Passport Police office so I still don't know.
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Post by: cenk on May 10, 2017, 13:48:09 PM
Thanks Inspector for your time and effort.

Does anybody know where you need to go to register for the software etc?

I went to the Passport Police office today. They said I need to go to the Nufus office. The people at the Nufus office said I need to go to the Passport Police office so I still don't know.
You have to go to police station in Gunlukbasi if your property is in police region (Calis is police region). If your property is in gendarme region, you have to go to gendarme station in Fethiye.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 10, 2017, 14:19:57 PM
Just a note - it now seems those in Ciftlik and Koca Cali's are in a different system and report to the Jandarma and not the police.

I'm hoping Inspector can explain the difference.
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Post by: savoyboy on May 10, 2017, 14:30:51 PM
This is giving me headache just reading this .
What a mess.
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Post by: Scunner on May 10, 2017, 17:50:09 PM
How is it a mess? You take bookings and inform them of the names. No mess.
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Post by: KKOB on May 10, 2017, 19:20:02 PM
This is giving me headache just reading this .
What a mess.

Come on Snowflake. Get a grip.
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Post by: kenkay on May 10, 2017, 23:56:59 PM
How is it a mess? You take bookings and inform them of the names. No mess.
My computer illiterate missus is the only name on OUR tapu. She has to inform the authorities via a permanent Fethiye IP address that her husband is staying in OUR apartment but not paying anything. HOW IS THIS NOT AN EFFING MESS?
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Post by: Scunner on May 11, 2017, 05:49:50 AM
Your local property management does it using their Fethiye IP - like they arrange clean sheets as you can't because you are in the UK?
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Post by: busybee on May 11, 2017, 07:30:15 AM
Many thanks Inspector for the time and effort you have put into this and informing us what the rules and procedures are. As with anything new in Turkey, there will bound to be teething problems........There was with the new residency rules. 
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Post by: Fran on May 11, 2017, 08:28:36 AM
Does a mifi count as a static IP address.


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Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 11, 2017, 09:02:05 AM
Does a mifi count as a static IP address.


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Unlikely unfortunately. ISP's normally only give static IP addresses to corporate customers. Residential customers router/MiFi will get issued an IP address on a 'lease' basis so, the address your MiFi has now will change at some point depending on how long the ISP leases the address for.
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Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 11, 2017, 09:09:17 AM
I would image that many  Property Maintenance Companies, in future, may be offering a service of informing the Authorities of guests.   I know these companies look after properties for people who rent out.  We have a great Property Maintenance Company, we do not rent out our place, but we know our lady looks after properties that do.
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Post by: Fran on May 11, 2017, 09:21:22 AM
Does a mifi count as a static IP address.


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Unlikely unfortunately. ISP's normally only give static IP addresses to corporate customers. Residential customers router/MiFi will get issued an IP address on a 'lease' basis so, the address your MiFi has now will change at some point depending on how long the ISP leases the address for.
Thank you, so everyone is going to have to use a company to do their registration of guests. I wonder if it's possible for guests to register in person at the police station.


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Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 11, 2017, 10:03:04 AM
How is it a mess? You take bookings and inform them of the names. No mess.

Well for starters the government bring in new laws which are then filtered down to local areas which we now find out are different again, depending on where you live in the Fethiye region.

We don't have a property management company because we only let close friends and family stay. We pay for cleaners that's all. Therefore in order for us to continue doing this we have to jump through hoops, it will probably cost us money and even then we can't seem to find out what is required.

So that's our cleaner probably losing out on maybe three or four cleans this year (sorry if she is reading this). Local bars and restaurants losing out on 6 or eight people eating and drinking at their establishments and the local shops losing out as well. Multiply that up and the region will lose a fortune.

I understand the need for security but this is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. A far easier and fairer way would have been to add an addendum to the visa, which I am going to complete today, asking where I am staying and stating if I stay at any other address in Turkey over the life of said visa then I have to report that address by completing another addendum.

Then maybe they could concentrate their searches on the homes that are not logged on the system as having someone staying in them.





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Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 11, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
We don't have a property management company because we only let close friends and family stay. We pay for cleaners that's all. Therefore in order for us to continue doing this we have to jump through hoops, it will probably cost us money and even then we can't seem to find out what is required.
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We have always had a property maintenenance/management company and never rented our place out.   We find Olga at Interturk Estates invaluable.  She checks on our place every few weeks.  She lets us know if there are any problems, If there are she addresses them.  She will pay any bills that come in and always checks our mailbox.  She checks on the gardener and the pool.  She arranges our WIFI.  She gets us some Groceries in when we arrive. She keeps our Turkish mobile when we are away.  If we need any services to the house she will get use contacts. She has the place cleaned and beds changed before we arrive. She arranges for laundry to be done after we leave.   We don't know how we would manage without her.
We would not like to leave our place and not have anyone looking after it for us.     ;)
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Post by: Inspector on May 11, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Can you register if you haven't got residency or do you still have to set up as a limited company?

If the sitesi set it up, would we have to give them power of attorney?
To register to tax office you dont need to have residency card, your passport and tax number is enough. You have to do tax registration yourself, this can not be done by a power of attorney on behalf of you.

For police system registration it can be done by somebody on behalf of you by power of attorney.
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Post by: stoop on May 11, 2017, 12:06:05 PM
Any idea about the Gendarme system yet Inspector?
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Post by: Inspector on May 11, 2017, 12:07:01 PM
Just a note - it now seems those in Ciftlik and Koca Cali's are in a different system and report to the Jandarma and not the police.

I'm hoping Inspector can explain the difference.
The main rules and the regulations same for police and Jandarma region. The difference is only online ID reporting system.

10 days ago police was asking you to buy a software, now they changed the system and dont ask you to buy or download a software.

For police region you will open a web browser like (internet explorer) connect to system from the web adress given to you. and do the process like accesing your mail account.
Usage of Jandarma system is not clear yet.
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Post by: stoop on May 11, 2017, 12:07:07 PM
We don't have a property management company because we only let close friends and family stay. We pay for cleaners that's all. Therefore in order for us to continue doing this we have to jump through hoops, it will probably cost us money and even then we can't seem to find out what is required.
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We have always had a property maintenenance/management company and never rented our place out.   We find Olga at Interturk Estates invaluable.  She checks on our place every few weeks.  She lets us know if there are any problems, If there are she addresses them.  She will pay any bills that come in and always checks our mailbox.  She checks on the gardener and the pool.  She arranges our WIFI.  She gets us some Groceries in when we arrive. She keeps our Turkish mobile when we are away.  If we need any services to the house she will get use contacts. She has the place cleaned and beds changed before we arrive. She arranges for laundry to be done after we leave.   We don't know how we would manage without her.
We would not like to leave our place and not have anyone looking after it for us.      ;)

Does she raise the flag as well  ;)
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Post by: stoop on May 11, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
Just a note - it now seems those in Ciftlik and Koca Cali's are in a different system and report to the Jandarma and not the police.

I'm hoping Inspector can explain the difference.
The main rules and the regulations same for police and Jandarma region. The difference is only online ID reporting system.

10 days ago police was asking you to buy a software, now they changed the system and dont ask you to buy or download a software.

For police region you will open a web browser like (internet explorer) connect to system from the web adress given to you. and do the process like accesing your mail account.
Usage of Jandarma system is not clear yet.

OK thanks. I think we've given up on this year for now and will probably wait and see how things work out for next year.

Thanks for all your info and help. Much appreciated.
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Post by: Inspector on May 11, 2017, 12:14:39 PM
Hear is the video of police new system.
We asked Fethiye police for the English version of web page and They will inform ankara that English version is asked by foreigners.

Its a web based entry. No need to download a program.

https://youtu.be/AFE_hNwbA7k

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Post by: Inspector on May 11, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Thanks Inspector for your time and effort.

Does anybody know where you need to go to register for the software etc?

I went to the Passport Police office today. They said I need to go to the Nufus office. The people at the Nufus office said I need to go to the Passport Police office so I still don't know.

Get a static ip adress from internet service provider, then go to police station in GUNLUKBASI with your Passport&residency card,tapu and adress registaration number of the house you let.
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Post by: Inspector on May 11, 2017, 12:30:15 PM
1. So, hypothetically, I live permanently in Turkey. My brother, an international drugs and arms dealer and all-round naughty boy, regularly stays with me. I don't need to inform the authorities that he's a guest ?

2. I'm sure that I read somewhere that it's illegal for a hotel to retain your passport. They're perfectly entitled to examine it and record the details, but you are the only person, except for law officers, who is allowed to be in possession of it. In fact the passport belongs to the "issuing authority" and you are its keeper and should take good care of it on their behalf.
Your brother will be checked on computer (integrated to interpol) sytem at the airport :-) There will be a patrol following him up to your home. :-)
 
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Post by: KKOB on May 11, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
 ;)
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Post by: Karennina on May 11, 2017, 13:42:47 PM
Thank you Inspector for update...so having the static ip address to do the registering from when folk are staying in a property regardless if they are paying guests or family and friends, you can NOT do this from a portable mobile device like a Vinn wifi, or for example on a sitesi if a few other owners have internet in their homes and are kind enough to let you have their password would this not be acceptable, does the registering of any guests have to be done from the property the guests are staying in?

And if they are paying guests like a holiday the paying of the rental tax is a seperate issue to this and has to be dealt with seperately?
Thank you in advance   :)
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Post by: Fran on May 11, 2017, 16:17:11 PM
I have just registered, with a turk cell mifi that was accepted. I have received my password but haven't yet logged in. Spoke to the policeman in charge and he said you do not have to register family members. This includes parents, children, brothers and sisters. You do have to register friends. It would be advisable for relatives  to show how they are related, so a copy of marriage certificate etc, would be an idea.

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Post by: JohnF on May 11, 2017, 16:25:16 PM
You may run in to problems getting back in if the IP address of your mifi changes, as it surely will at some point in the future.  Likelihood is that the system takes the IP address of your first log in as being that of the required static IP address.

JF
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Post by: cenk on May 11, 2017, 16:55:09 PM
I am using the system with my static IP without a problem. I can not even reach the website when i try to log in with another IP.

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Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 11, 2017, 18:57:38 PM
We don't have a property management company because we only let close friends and family stay. We pay for cleaners that's all. Therefore in order for us to continue doing this we have to jump through hoops, it will probably cost us money and even then we can't seem to find out what is required.
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We have always had a property maintenenance/management company and never rented our place out.   We find Olga at Interturk Estates invaluable.  She checks on our place every few weeks.  She lets us know if there are any problems, If there are she addresses them.  She will pay any bills that come in and always checks our mailbox.  She checks on the gardener and the pool.  She arranges our WIFI.  She gets us some Groceries in when we arrive. She keeps our Turkish mobile when we are away.  If we need any services to the house she will get use contacts. She has the place cleaned and beds changed before we arrive. She arranges for laundry to be done after we leave.   We don't know how we would manage without her.
We would not like to leave our place and not have anyone looking after it for us.       ;)

Does she raise the flag as well   ;)

Yes Stoop, she will also arrange the opening of a Yorkshireman's wallet, however that is a very rare occurrence.   ;D  ;) :angel:
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Post by: Phil on May 12, 2017, 09:12:04 AM
Have the Police / Jendarme indicated whether they will be walking round the streets with clipboards checking villas and apartments for unregistered villas and guests ????
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Post by: madmart on May 12, 2017, 09:55:23 AM
Yes Stoop, she will also arrange the opening of a Yorkshireman's wallet, however that is a very rare occurrence.   ;D   ;) :angel:

She uses a crowbar to do the cleaning?
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Post by: stoop on May 12, 2017, 10:00:20 AM
Someone on FB saying they have static IP yet cannot log on with their uk laptop.

Has anyone got into the system with a uk laptop or tablet?
Title: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Scunner on May 12, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
It's static Turkish IP only as far as I understood.

The solution is local property management, as I think I mentioned some time ago.
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Post by: stoop on May 12, 2017, 10:51:24 AM
It's static Turkish IP only as far as I understood.

The solution is local property management, as I think I mentioned some time ago.

That's not a solution for us. Why should we pay to let our family stay? Unless you know someone offering a free service?

Hopefully the post about not needing to register family is correct. I'm sure we will find out before too long.
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Post by: Scunner on May 12, 2017, 10:56:39 AM
Are the cleaners you arrange free? If not you pay to let your family stay already.
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Post by: madmart on May 12, 2017, 12:24:25 PM
Just a thought on this and I do appreciate that some people prefer the privacy of a private apartment/villa. We stopped by the Oykun earlier today to see someone.

Apparently it is very quiet this year with many  rooms and not just at the Oykun.

For those people who booked flights last year who are now unable to use villas/apartments because the owners do not want the hassle/expense, is it too hard for the owners to suggest that their renters try and arrange accommodation with the Mutlu, Oykun et al directly? I don't know perhaps they could even furnish them with contact details.
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Post by: stoop on May 12, 2017, 12:50:24 PM
Are the cleaners you arrange free? If not you pay to let your family stay already.

But why should we pay more for this ill thought out scheme?
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Post by: Scunner on May 12, 2017, 13:00:16 PM
Because that is the law in the country where your property is?
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Post by: Phil on May 12, 2017, 13:34:06 PM
I think it’s fairly clear now ..... if ANY money changes hands for people to stay in your Villa for “Free” ( eg cleaners, electric, air con etc. ) while you are not resident , then this new law defines your Villa as a business.

It’s a pretty reasonable definition. If relatives visit you in England they don’t pay a penny while they are in your house. If you let your house for a few months while you were away then the British Tax man could ( and would ) regard that as income.

The Villa rental business in Turkey has become a not insignificant part of the economy and it can no longer be allowed to carry on unregulated, unchecked and untaxed.

Can you imagine the outcry in England if a load of Germans starting buying holiday flats in Padstow and then offered them for rent for a tax free income ............

Get real everyone. Pay the few quid. Stop griping and accept it. Join in the system and learn as you go like everyone else.


( Any one got a tin hat they can lend me ? )
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Post by: JohnF on May 12, 2017, 14:10:23 PM
Get real everyone. Pay the few quid. Stop griping and accept it. Join in the system and learn as you go like everyone else.

No tin hat required.  What you've said sums it up.

This is Turkey.  Laws and regulations change all the time and the (relatively) rich foreigners with holiday homes are generally not at the top of the list when considering the ramifications of new or updated legislation, and quite rightly so.  I can think of a few areas where over the years the law has changed, sometimes almost overnight - it's just the way it is in Turkey and you simply have to get on with it.

I believe there are now a good number of members who have got themselves sorted, either through their property management company or independently - and when you take into account the value of their (property) investment, its not a great deal of money to spend to stay legal and take away any risk of being fined.

If spending an extra few hundred quid a year to stay legal is a deal breaker then maybe...    nah, I'm not even going to say it  ;)

JF
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Post by: KKOB on May 12, 2017, 14:14:21 PM
Exactly.
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Post by: Google on May 12, 2017, 14:42:13 PM
We are living in long term rented accommodation do we have to advise the owner of the apartments if we have family visiting for 2 or 3 weeks. We have rented the apartment for last four years and family do visit in the summer months.
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Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 12, 2017, 14:51:42 PM
Yes, Read the long thread all about this very helpful information from The Inspector.  :)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: charlste on May 12, 2017, 16:50:07 PM
Can anything happen to the holiday maker if they are on holiday and unbeknown to them they have not be registered by the owner.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Scunner on May 12, 2017, 17:06:51 PM
Not specific to the new regulations, but if things aren't right to their opinion, Turkish authorities haven't been particularly sympathetic to the innocent renter at times recently:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/turkish-police-eject-british-tourists-from-airbnb-flat-during-dawn-raid-gnq3r5fnc
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: JohnF on May 12, 2017, 17:51:40 PM
They actually aren't that different to the Spanish authorities if an illegal rental situation comes to light - believe it or not, but the fines in Spain are even higher then in Turkey if you're caught renting illegally.

JF
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Karennina on May 13, 2017, 08:01:54 AM
So providing you have registered your property by the end of June and got your self set up with the software to start registering anyone who stays in your property that has a different surname to any names on the tapu so that if need be the authorities can track folks wherabouts, then all will be above board and no fines will be metted out but from 1st July this is where the seriousness of this will begin and when the checks begin if yiuv not registered,if a check is done someone is staying in a property that has not been registered on the system this will then become a whole different ballgame...is my line of thinking correct does anyone know please?   ;) 
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 13, 2017, 14:44:53 PM
So providing you have registered your property by the end of June and got your self set up with the software to start registering anyone who stays in your property that has a different surname to any names on the tapu so that if need be the authorities can track folks wherabouts, then all will be above board and no fines will be metted out but from 1st July this is where the seriousness of this will begin and when the checks begin if yiuv not registered,if a check is done someone is staying in a property that has not been registered on the system this will then become a whole different ballgame...is my line of thinking correct does anyone know please?    ;) 

So what's the need to register if you only let family stay? I can't understand that part.

Bottom line is that this was supposed to be a security issue but more and more it seems to be a tax issue.

I have no problem with people being find for not paying any tax due from renting out their property. My problem is why should those who don't rent out have to suffer and pay out money when they are not breaking the law?

We certainly won't be registering this year as we do not intend to let family stay. Then hopefully by next year we will have better indication of the problems people have encountered with the system. Who knows maybe it will all become clear by then. I won't hold my breath though.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Karennina on May 13, 2017, 23:25:31 PM
Im not sure Stoop! Im trying to get some clarification for my friends who came to Turkey for the first time last year as we kept on saying come to Turkry you will love it and they did! Our friend will be 50 and booked flights to come out to celebrate with her hubby and daughter but now with all this happening even though no money is being paid we dont want to be doing anything wrong...i thought the registering bit of property was so you then have access to the new system once password has been given so you cam input all names so authorities can track people iff they need to?  Maybe im reading it wrong but i thought if you rent out and make money then thats a different thing altogether as in going to the tax office.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Phil on May 14, 2017, 10:05:01 AM
" So what's the need to register if you only let family stay? I can't understand that part. "



I think the answer is now very clear....... If the property owner is not staying there, they want to know who is.

It's the security issue that is the driving force..... the tax issue follows on naturally.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 14, 2017, 16:26:35 PM
Im not sure Stoop! Im trying to get some clarification for my friends who came to Turkey for the first time last year as we kept on saying come to Turkry you will love it and they did! Our friend will be 50 and booked flights to come out to celebrate with her hubby and daughter but now with all this happening even though no money is being paid we dont want to be doing anything wrong...i thought the registering bit of property was so you then have access to the new system once password has been given so you cam input all names so authorities can track people iff they need to?  Maybe im reading it wrong but i thought if you rent out and make money then thats a different thing altogether as in going to the tax office.

OK - are we now saying that even if you want your family to stay when you are not there then you have to register? Am I reading that correct?

... but we then see from some reports that you do not need to report when family are staying. This is the bit that's confusing me.

So I can register for free, get the software, but do not need to let them know when family are staying (without any payment)?

Seems pretty daft to me to be honest.

The other thing is that you seem to need a static IP address. We've been quoted an extra 15 lira a month for this. OK it's not much but it adds another £50 a year to our internet costs.

As I said earlier - I think we will just wait and see how it all pans out before we make a decision on things.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 14, 2017, 16:30:55 PM
" So what's the need to register if you only let family stay? I can't understand that part. "



I think the answer is now very clear....... If the property owner is not staying there, they want to know who is.

It's the security issue that is the driving force..... the tax issue follows on naturally.

.. but we are getting conflicting information on this as far as I can see from the posts I've read.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Phil on May 14, 2017, 16:53:59 PM
There certainly were some conflicting versions. I think it's pretty clear now :

If the property owner is resident he can have whoever he wants staying with him as a house guest - no need to register.

If the property owner is not resident then guest registration is required.



My Advice : Stop reading posts and get some professionals on the case.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Karennina on May 14, 2017, 19:01:57 PM
I am not actually posting saying "this is what you have to do" I too am seeking clarification on how to proceed with things when our friends come over, they are not staying with me as we are having a new kitchen fitted but I do as a friend want them to have a good holiday and also dont want the property owners ending up with a huge fine, they are more then willing to make everything legal but can not have time off work at the drop of a hat to go over and do the registering etc, i was going to try and help them out if it were possible as we going over next month for quite a long stay...
If this registering of family with different surnames to tapu holders or if you rent out then also for paying guests, helps the authorities to track/ keep track of possible terror suspects then I am all for it...
I thought I had read if you make money from a rental then thats a seperate issue where you would go to the tax office, there is a threshold which someone has mentioned i think about how much you can earn on rental income before any tax has to be paid...
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: tom kelly on May 15, 2017, 10:06:26 AM
Thanks Inspector for your time and effort.

Does anybody know where you need to go to register for the software etc?

I went to the Passport Police office today. They said I need to go to the Nufus office. The people at the Nufus office said I need to go to the Passport Police office so I still don't know.

Get a static ip adress from internet service provider, then go to police station in GUNLUKBASI with your Passport&residency card,tapu and adress registaration number of the house you let.

Thanks again Inspector. I went to Gunlukbasi Police Station today and eventually found the office I needed. It is on the right hand side of the courtyard. Unfortunately, the gentleman there only gave me a form to fill in, all in Turkish. I will fill it in and take it back later.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: JohnF on May 15, 2017, 10:16:27 AM
Unfortunately, the gentleman there only gave me a form to fill in, all in Turkish. I will fill it in and take it back later.

The form's in Turkish?  That is indeed unfortunate...

JF
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Phil on May 15, 2017, 10:39:57 AM
Karennina. If your visiting friends are staying in a privately owned Villa or Apartment then it is the responsibility of the property owner to register their presence . ( On pain of a 10,000TL fine).

I am not sure if the Police Registration set up process can be completed without the physical presence of the Property Owner in Turkey.  However, once the process is completed the actual registration of the guests HAS to be done from a computer in Turkey ( The same computer every time).  Good Property Managers are handling this for owners.

The Tax issue is perhaps not quite so pressing. The Tax Office will have access to the list of properties registered with the Police. Eventually they might get round to checking this.

At one point you could not complete the Police Registration set up without your Tax Certificate stating you were a registered company.  (This is NOT just your Tax Number). However, I don’t think the Tax Certificate is required now.

You can deal with the Tax issues fairly leisurely – but you will need an accountant to advise you and do the donkey work.  I am pretty certain that you will need to be in Turkey to set everything up for the Tax side of things.  I am learning about the limits and thresholds.

I offer this advice in good faith – but end by saying that you should consult professionals –  M’lud would not accept a Forum Post as a defence !
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 15, 2017, 10:41:58 AM
I would think as there are English, German, Dutch, Russian etc., property owners, there is no way the forms can be printed in multiple languages.  I am sure some Turkish friend can help you with it.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: JohnF on May 15, 2017, 11:00:28 AM
but you will need an accountant to advise you and do the donkey work.  I am pretty certain that you will need to be in Turkey to set everything up for the Tax side of things. 

Inspector does the full service and the accountants fee are 234tl per month, £50 or thereabouts, for the months you are using the property.

Here's the topic: http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=62997.msg437089#msg437089 (http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=62997.msg437089#msg437089)

On the basis it's now a web based application for reporting guests, the initial set up costs may be less then that quoted, Inspector could maybe confirm the current charges applicable.

JF
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: tom kelly on May 15, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
Thanks Inspector for your time and effort.

Does anybody know where you need to go to register for the software etc?

I went to the Passport Police office today. They said I need to go to the Nufus office. The people at the Nufus office said I need to go to the Passport Police office so I still don't know.

Get a static ip adress from internet service provider, then go to police station in GUNLUKBASI with your Passport&residency card,tapu and adress registaration number of the house you let.

Thanks again Inspector. I went to Gunlukbasi Police Station today and eventually found the office I needed. It is on the right hand side of the courtyard. Unfortunately, the gentleman there only gave me a form to fill in, all in Turkish. I will fill it in and take it back later.

I managed to fill the form in to the satisfaction of the officer at Gunlukbasi Polis and now have my password.
I hope my experiences will be of assistance to others.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Scunner on May 15, 2017, 13:06:17 PM
Great stuff Tom. Do you have a fixed IP in Turkey?
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Karennina on May 15, 2017, 13:44:19 PM
Thank you for info Phil, yes it was going to be in an apartment, Inspector has said you can give p.o.a to someone to register your property from uk and this has to be done at the Turkish embassy in London ( i think thats what he said" ;) does anyone know please if the deadline of registering of the property is still end June please?   :)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: tom kelly on May 15, 2017, 19:00:41 PM
Great stuff Tom. Do you have a fixed IP in Turkey?

Yes I used my laptop. If you just google "IP Address" your public IP address should come up straight away.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 15, 2017, 19:29:29 PM
Great stuff Tom. Do you have a fixed IP in Turkey?

Yes I used my laptop. If you just google "IP Address" your public IP address should come up straight away.

Watch out though, Tom. It may be that your current address is 'leased' by your ISP and will change after a few days.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Scunner on May 15, 2017, 23:07:01 PM
Yes Tom that was where I was going - your IP is easy to find but a FIXED IP isn't. If your IP changes you will not be able to connect to the system, and getting the original IP back isn't likely. I'd check with your internet provider to see if you have a fixed one or if not, if you can arrange one.

I recall it used to be an option on the TTnet form - but that was many years ago now.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: c1 on May 16, 2017, 10:05:04 AM
Seems to me another self inflicted wound by Turkish government on an already struggling tourist trade. Yet another hurdle, which may make many owners think of pulling out of rental market, I have already done so.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: SteveJ on May 16, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
Apparently you can set up a static IP address on a laptop or tablet. Here's a link to an informative blog that shows you how to do it.....

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19249/how-to-assign-a-static-ip-address

Presumably you can unset it when you return to the uk as and long as you remember the settings you used, set it back to the same "static" ip address when you return to Turkey.

I've not tried it myself so "buyer beware".  ;D
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 16, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
Apparently you can set up a static IP address on a laptop or tablet. Here's a link to an informative blog that shows you how to do it.....

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19249/how-to-assign-a-static-ip-address

Presumably you can unset it when you return to the uk as and long as you remember the settings you used, set it back to the same "static" ip address when you return to Turkey.

I've not tried it myself so "buyer beware".  ;D

Not that simple I'm afraid. This will only set a static IP address for the laptop/tablet for when it communicates with your router. and will not be visible to the internet as a whole. The static IP address that is relevant here is the one that is issued to your router by your ISP and is the address that is visible to the internet but, this address gets changed every so often.

Think of it as a the phone line coming into your house. The socket on the wall is the router and people calling you or for you to call outside your house call the number issued to you by BT, but every so often BT change this number.

Now imagine you have four handsets connected to it around the house. The handsets have the extensions 1001, 1002, 1003 and 1004 but you can only dial them by their extension number from another extension inside your house, anyone outside cannot see the extension numbers only the line number at the socket. These extension numbers are the equivalent of setting a static IP address as per SteveJ's method.

Hope that makes sense!
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: JohnF on May 16, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
Seems to me another self inflicted wound by Turkish government on an already struggling tourist trade.

Not according to the Turkish hotel and tourism organisations who have been lobbying for these changes for some time.  The numbers of foreign owners affected is minimal when you take Turkey as a whole, and for every Brit, Scandi or German who bails, there'll be a Qatari or Iranian or Saudi who'll take their place.

Barcelona is probably the highest profile city to implement similar measures recently, again under pressure from the hotel and tourism organisations.  The council fined AirBNB €600,000 last November due to them continuing to advertise "illegal room rentals", although how they'll enforce it I don't know.  It hasn't affected their tourism figures - locals are still complaining that the city is overcrowded with tourists and from my last visit, yeah they're right!

JF
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Phil on May 16, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
Seems to me another self inflicted wound by Turkish government on an already struggling tourist trade. Yet another hurdle, which may make many owners think of pulling out of rental market, I have already done so.

If these new laws mean the end of unregulated, unregistered, untaxed private Villa and Apartment rentals in Turkey then I am sure the Turkish Government, the Turkish Security Forces, the Turkish Tax Man and the Turkish Hoteliers will regard it all as an extremely good result.......... all the problems solved at a stroke. Brilliant !
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Karennina on May 16, 2017, 15:55:00 PM
Does anyone have any updated info please on whether the deadline for registering of the property is still end of June, if so our friends that are coming over will be ok in the apartment they will be staying in, or would they i, sure if it makes everything legal I could take them to the police station on arrival...I offered to do the registering for the owner as he can not have any time off work until August at the earliest but then Inspector said I couldnt do it anyway!
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 16, 2017, 17:07:05 PM
Legless has been to the Gendarme today:

"It seems, Mother father sister brother grand mother grandfather and grandchildren ok. I have soldiers coming to my house tonight with a form to fill in"

"I have a form from the Jandarme to fill in with all the family names of who will stay at my villa once completed I give it back to them all done"
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 16, 2017, 17:40:50 PM
No need to register or have an ip - just complete the form and return it.

Now that seems sensible  :)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Scunner on May 16, 2017, 19:27:01 PM
Good luck with that :D

Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 16, 2017, 19:43:58 PM
Good luck with that :D






All done and dusted. No need to register with IP address as long as you can complete the form with the names of any relatives who might stay in the future. Obviously you need proof of ownership and proof of ID.

That's according to the Gendarme for Ciftlik area. Our site management have confirmed it as well.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 16, 2017, 19:52:55 PM
Good luck with that :D






All done and dusted. No need to register with IP address as long as you can complete the form with the names of any relatives who might stay in the future. Obviously you need proof of ownership and proof of ID.

That's according to the Gendarme for Ciftlik area. Our site management have confirmed it as well.

Sounds promising, Stoop. Do you happen to know if it is strictly owners parental lineage and own siblings or can it extend to aunts and uncles?
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Scunner on May 16, 2017, 19:56:37 PM
Weeks and weeks of talk of computer software, registering each guest online and needing fixed IPs and you can sidestep all that (and the massive fines) by simply filling in a piece of paper at the start of the season!

Good luck with that!!
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: davidhutson on May 16, 2017, 20:50:22 PM
this seems like a massive relief for a lot of people, just a one off report of family names for the season, seems like common sense
but can i just ask a simple question, when is the actual deadline for registration, i ve heard june mentioned, but would that be June 1st
or June 30th?

Anybody that can answer this simple question would help me a great deal :-)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 16, 2017, 21:56:23 PM
Good luck with that :D






All done and dusted. No need to register with IP address as long as you can complete the form with the names of any relatives who might stay in the future. Obviously you need proof of ownership and proof of ID.

That's according to the Gendarme for Ciftlik area. Our site management have confirmed it as well.

Sounds promising, Stoop. Do you happen to know if it is strictly owners parental lineage and own siblings or can it extend to aunts and uncles?

Sorry I only quoted what Legless was told. He's had the soldiers round to his property tonight and has completed the required forms.

I'm sure he will be on to explain more when he gets chance.

As Inspector mentioned earlier it seems different areas are interpreting the rules differently.

Remember we are talking about the Ciftlik area here which includes Koca Calis.

Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 16, 2017, 21:57:18 PM
Weeks and weeks of talk of computer software, registering each guest online and needing fixed IPs and you can sidestep all that (and the massive fines) by simply filling in a piece of paper at the start of the season!

Good luck with that!!

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Somerset Simon on May 17, 2017, 11:23:29 AM
This is looking more positive! I would appreciate details on how to complete for Ciftlik for my sons as we (like many) only let close family stay.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: JohnF on May 17, 2017, 11:31:15 AM
Before anyone gets too excited, it's worth remembering that there is a high likelihood that the Polis and Jandarma will have different processes and protocols.  Theoretically they shouldn't, but they do, for now.

It does look as though common sense may have prevailed, certainly as far as the Jandarma are concerned.  Lets hope this continues.

JF
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 17, 2017, 13:41:47 PM
This is looking more positive! I would appreciate details on how to complete for Ciftlik for my sons as we (like many) only let close family stay.

All I know is that Legless sorted it yesterday. He waited to speak to the relevant person at the Gendarme and needed the Tapu and his passport (I expect everyone on the Tapu needs to supply this). They told him who was allowed to stay without registering and arranged for someone to call with the forms later that day. He completed them and as far as he's concerned it's all sorted.

If I get any more info I will let you know. It seems straight forward but that was yesterday  ;)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on May 17, 2017, 15:15:10 PM
Strange I was told today by a British business owner in the area (He has Turkish citizenship and owns a lot of property).  That as longs you have relatives staying you are fine, no forms needed,  this was an amendment to this new law on Monday.
It seems everyone seems to know a different story.  ;D :o :'(
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 17, 2017, 15:43:06 PM
Legless went to the Gendarme next to the PTT in Fethiye.

Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: stoop on May 17, 2017, 15:45:51 PM
Strange I was told today by a British business owner in the area (He has Turkish citizenship and owns a lot of property).  That as longs you have relatives staying you are fine, no forms needed,  this was an amendment to this new law on Monday.
It seems everyone seems to know a different story.  ;D :o :'(

Our site manager (who is an Emlak also) said yesterday that there is no problem with family staying. No need to register according to him.

I guess it is a little safer if you have completed the formalities on paper - which hopefully will help with any future visits from the authorities.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: WordBird on May 18, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
This might be a daft question - but then you never know over here......  ;D
Presumably there are no consequences for people staying somewhere that hasn't registered them?

A friend of mine who will visit the area soon has asked if they'd be fined should the place they're staying not be taking part in this process and there were checks while they're here. My first thought was 'Surely not?' - swiftly followed by 'Actually, it wouldn't surprise me.'

Inspector - do you know?   :)

Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 18, 2017, 11:24:18 AM
This might be a daft question - but then you never know over here......  ;D
Presumably there are no consequences for people staying somewhere that hasn't registered them?

A friend of mine who will visit the area soon has asked if they'd be fined should the place they're staying not be taking part in this process and there were checks while they're here. My first thought was 'Surely not?' - swiftly followed by 'Actually, it wouldn't surprise me.'

Inspector - do you know?    :)

From my understanding, they won't be fined, it's the owner that would be but, they would be turfed out and the house sealed.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: WordBird on May 18, 2017, 12:34:27 PM

From my understanding, they won't be fined, it's the owner that would be but, they would be turfed out and the house sealed.

Ok thanks. Better have some spare beds on standby....!
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: lynnj on May 18, 2017, 13:02:27 PM
Thanks so much Inspector and all other contributors.
It is clear that there is no issue of guests whether family or friends staying whilst the owner is present unless they stay more than 30 days
Does anyone know whether an owner can stay in their apartment whilst family or friends of theirs stay in a second apartment on the same complex / sitesi without the owners of that second apartment having to register the presence of the first owner'sfamily/friends.
Ie Does the fact that an apartment owner is present on the complex mean that the family/friends count as staying with them because they are on the complex at the same time ??
Thanks in advance for any guidance
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 19, 2017, 09:40:18 AM
Does anyone know whether an owner can stay in their apartment whilst family or friends of theirs stay in a second apartment on the same complex / sitesi without the owners of that second apartment having to register the presence of the first owner'sfamily/friends.

If the complex setup is the same as ours where each individual apartment is a legal entity in it's own right, with a Tapu in the owners name, then I would think it very likely that the scenario you suggest would not be allowed. The other apartment would still have to be registered with the authorities.


Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: JohnF on May 24, 2017, 11:25:29 AM
Haven't seen this one mentioned yet:

http://www.yellali.com/news/article/441/short-term-property-rentals-in-turkey-new-regulations (http://www.yellali.com/news/article/441/short-term-property-rentals-in-turkey-new-regulations)

It looks like for those who are not "renting out" their property, Yellali will do the checking in and out procedure of non paying guest for a flat fee of 600tl per year.

They also offer a package for paying guest.

Any queries about how it works etc, direct it to them - I'm posting this for for information purposes only, I don't know the full extent of their services.

JF
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: davidhutson on May 24, 2017, 22:51:36 PM
Has anybody used their services ?,or indeed know anything much about them, it seems to be the answer to all our problems,
they responded to my e mail today within an hour,which is not my usual experience with my management company !!


" Thank you for your email.
 
We can register your property without you being here, that is no problem at all.
 
All we need is a copy of your TAPU (scanned copy) and details of when your family and friends are arriving/departing. Along with a copy of each persons passport. (scanned copy)
 
When is your first guests arriving?
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Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Ian_and_Sian on May 25, 2017, 09:43:57 AM
Has anybody used their services ?,or indeed know anything much about them, it seems to be the answer to all our problems,
they responded to my e mail today within an hour,which is not my usual experience with my management company !!


" Thank you for your email.
 
We can register your property without you being here, that is no problem at all.
 
All we need is a copy of your TAPU (scanned copy) and details of when your family and friends are arriving/departing. Along with a copy of each persons passport. (scanned copy)
 
When is your first guests arriving?
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Which seems to go against most other reports that the Tapu holder must be present for the initial registration of the property?

Personally, I'd be very wary.
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: davidhutson on May 25, 2017, 10:34:18 AM
I agrea, Ian and Sian, thats why i would appreciate any feedback from anybody that has had any dealings with them, they have an address (office?)
located in Fethiye , according to their website ?
i am going to follow it up, i have had 2 e mails from them, from what i am assuming to be English members of staff, so any experiences from anybody out there
would be interesting ?
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Karennina on May 25, 2017, 20:02:41 PM
Good evening Dave Hutson I joined YellAli a while ago and get regular emails from there, they have in the past posted accurate advice about many Turkish subjects...i have hopefully copied and pasted for you from one of their emails what they are about...sounds very promising if they can do this for folk...   http://yellali.us3.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0a74550e367c92323ad75b52a&id=7098198af1&e=9a67ba78be
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: davidhutson on May 25, 2017, 20:22:37 PM
Hi karen, thanks for the link, it sounds promising from their link, but would appreciate unbiased comments and views from clients of theirs, that would carry a bit more weight, lol, 
i m getting the impression things are gradually getting sorted with these new regs and compromises are being made, thankfully   :)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: tom kelly on June 03, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
Great stuff Tom. Do you have a fixed IP in Turkey?

Yes I used my laptop. If you just google "IP Address" your public IP address should come up straight away.

Watch out though, Tom. It may be that your current address is 'leased' by your ISP and will change after a few days.

Thanks Ian and Sian. Sorry it's been a while replying. I contacted our ISP and they have guaranteed a fixed IP address for a fee of 15ytl a month which is shared between 30 apartments.

Also went to the Jandarma in Gunlukbasi the other day with another owner and the whole system of obtaining the password was much quicker and simpler. There was also a policeman there whose English was much better than my Turkish (not difficult)
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: quelchy on June 16, 2017, 07:19:29 AM
Hi, where do we get the software?  Can we go to the Police Station In Gunlukbasi to do this and do they speak English?
Title: Re: Summary of Police meeting about ID informing system.
Post by: Fran on April 27, 2018, 13:29:25 PM
Does anyone know if there been any changes to the system since last year.


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