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General Topics => Football => Topic started by: desmartinson on March 03, 2012, 16:02:28 PM
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Any comments on another Arsenal performance (used bus tickets)after scousers trying to kick them of the pitch, 3 great goals by Arsenal. ;)
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Justice was done in the end. It was a very dubious penalty. Suarez intention was to cheat, win a penalty, roll around as if he was dying to get the keeper sent off.
Two great wins and if all goes well tomorrow Spurs will be shaking in their boots. 10 point lead cut to 4.
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Two good goals from RVP, one poor goal from Kozzer! But apart from that can you tell me any other Arsenal player who stood out today? Truth to tell we had the rub of the green for a change today, but we were always second to the ball, did not compete in midfield, Song kept passing again to his invisible friend, never pressed the ball at all when not in possession. So what what was it about the Arsenal performance - apart from a win - that you think was good and will win us trophys, or perhaps you AKBs are like him and the limit of your ambition is fourth place:-\
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Better than buying trophys like man city and chelsea Pete. ;)
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What trophy have you got then Des?
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None Andy, im not a Russian Billionaire. ;) :)
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football fans are so fickle, two weeks ago you wanted to sack the manager:D
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Not me....cant afford one a season!!!!!
Perhaps Chelski would like to have him?????
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nah! we like winnin fings
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not me Andy, i look at what he,s acheived in 15 years, anyhow you seem a bit down, something happen yesterday you havent mentioned. ;)
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I only had two beers last night:D
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Originally posted by tinkerman
football fans are so fickle, two weeks ago you wanted to sack the manager:D
Let me be clear Andy, I still think that Arsenal would be better off without AW, he's lost the plot both in football terms and in his own personal behaviour. Ars3nal will move on without him, keep him and we'll carry on with the same problems, making the same mistakes again and again.
AW has been a great manager, but he needs a refresh in the same way as Arsenal do.
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Well done Arsenal, always liked Wenger and I wish him well.
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Very easy to say Arsenal will be better off without AW. The question is who would replace him?
The contenders likeJose and Guadiola have had the budget to spend big.This is not something that they would have at Arsenal. I am sure that if you provide an average manager with a bottomless pit of cash they can win the premiership.
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Spot on Gerry, as they did with mourinho and will with mancini.
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If you cannot see beyond AW because of your fear that we would need a highly paid hired gun type of manager, and a team of very highly paid mercenaries. Please consider this. The team - I try not to use their name!! - who are above us, I'm sorry to report, play exciting, free-flowing football, and are tenacious in defence. And despite the second half drubbing we gave them last week, and the Manure gave them this afternoon, they are still four points ahead of us! Perhaps more important for your judgement perspective is the fact that they have done this on half the wage bill we have, and a manager on a lot less than AW's £7 million a year.
I'm not looking for some hired gun - particularly a foreign one - to be brought in to replace AW, it will always end in tears. I'd probably look to someone like David Moyes, who I believe has more than earned his chance at a big club from the great work he does with a small squad, year in year out at Everton. I'd even consider Roy Hodgson working with with a Director of Football (Liam Brady??) and an heir apparent as his assistant manager, who would take over from Hodgson in 1-2 years, Stevie Bould would be the ideal candidate for the assistant role. That's just a couple of suggestions, and no doubt there are a lot more.
Like I said AWs departure would not only be good for the Arsenal, it would probably be good for him as well.
COME ON ARSENAL ;)
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Originally posted by usedbustickets
I'm not looking for some hired gun - particularly a foreign one - to be brought in to replace AW, it will always end in tears. I'd probably look to someone like David Moyes
Bruce Rioch is between jobs
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:D
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Spurs are playing such great football they were played off the park by Arsenal, who showed them how free flowing football should be played. This is the first time since the formation of the premiership that they might finish above the Gunners. So Arsenal sack one of the best managers in the game. A manager that is in demand and could go to any of the top clubs in Europe. if Arsenal were to get rid of him he would be at Chelsea next season earning a much bigger wage than he is at the moment.
The suggested replacements Roy Hodgson, how many times has he been sacked? David Moyes, not the worst choice, has no experience in running a big club. So let us be brave and take a chance.Why not add Rafa Benitez, another Liverpool reject, to the list as he is currently out of work. There is a big difference between finishing mid table each season and qualifying for the Champions League.Whoever thinks that these would be the answer seems to be wearing blinkers and rose tinted glasses. With any of those replacing Wenger I can see that there will be a mad rush of top class players wanting to sign for Arsenal. Steve Bould is tipped to replace Pat Rice at the end of the season.
There are problems at Arsenal that need to be resolved. There are some fringe players earning too much. I do not think sacking Wenger is the answer. What is needed is the armchair supporters to stop this constant moaning.
The one thing that Bruce Rioch did at Arsenal was to sign Dennis Bergkamp one of the best foreign players to play in English football.
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Should para 2 line 3 read:
With any of those replacing Wenger I cannot see that there will be a mad rush of top class players wanting to sign for Arsenal.
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OVP the reason we played such free flowing football in the second half, you've probably shut out the poor performance in the first half, was because 'arry made the tactical error of removing the extra man in the middle of the park, foolishly (on his part) giving us space to play in.
Big players coming to Arsenal because of Wenger, not any more. For a case in point look at Matta, long term target for Arsenal ends up at Chelski, we get Artetta. Looks like AW has failed there when you compare their individual performances and contribution to the team!
Truth to tell quality players are going in the opposite direction, that is out of the club .. Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy and most recently Arshavin ... and in case you haven't noticed those we kept such as Billy Bendtner (who wants out anyway), Vela, Shamak, Dennilson, Park to name but a few, are best described as sub prime players and are either out on loan (can't work with Wenger or paid too much to sell on by Wenger) or are permanent bench warmers who are never going to play, AWs choice again.
And if Wenger is so good at attracting people to Arsenal, why did Paddy Vierra choose to coach at Mercenary City rather than rejoin his golden age boss AW as part of his coaching set up?
The problem is with the AKB view on life is that they are measuring AWs performance through the prism of his record from 7 plus years ago, and not on what is happening now.
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Originally posted by usedbustickets
why did Paddy Vierra choose to coach at Mercenary City rather than rejoin his golden age boss AW as part of his coaching set up?
Money?
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Bob Wilson in a recent radio interview, and whilst alluding to the fact that "he had the manager's ear" suggested that Scott Parker told him (BW) that he wanted to join Arsenal. He also named someone else but for the life of me I cannot remember who.
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Carlton Palmer
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Originally posted by Highlander
Bob Wilson in a recent radio interview, and whilst alluding to the fact that "he had the manager's ear" suggested that Scott Parker told him (BW) that he wanted to join Arsenal. He also named someone else but for the life of me I cannot remember who.
Careful on that one, Bob Wilson is known as the President of the AKB Club. :) Yes there was a lot of talk about Scott Parker joining the Arsenal, and despite protestations from other members of my family, I thought he would be an ideal person for Arsenal - as he has proved for Tottenham .... but again why did we not get him??
By the way Scunner stop frightening me with talk of the return of RSM Rioch, you'll be demanding the return of Stuart Houston next, or even worse Terry 'Two Clubs' Neil ..... too frightening to contemplate:D:D
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Arnold Palmer more like - he's had less clubs ;)
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Highlander, it was a little tongue in cheek saying I would see a big rush to join Arsenal. They struggle to attract big players now what chance is there with some of the jokers suggested in charge.
Wenger does not own the club and has a limit to what he can spend. Contract negotiations are not handled by Wenger. In the case of Mata it came down to agreeing a fee and Arsenal were not willing to pay the fee. As I have stated many times Arsenal is a business.If ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea and City were normal businesses they would be declared bankrupt. To that list you can add Madrid and Barca.
Maybe harry should not be the England manager if he is tactically so naive to allow the opposition to play.
Vieria was never offered a position at Arsenal. Wenger refused to sign him when City took him for a season as a player. Wenger was right because he was well past his sell by date.
UBT, As I am a season ticket holder and not an armchair pundit who thinks he knows all the answers, I am fully aware of the squad and what they are and how much they cost. Somehow your blinkered view of throwing Wenger out will result in the sun coming out and the garden will be full of roses.Plenty talk but really very little substance.
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I agree with most of what O P O says. The club is well and truly run by the Board.
A W has made the very best of the players he has asked for and got and has
got good money for lots of them when he has improved and then sold them.
The club I feel is still suffering from infighting over control of the club, once that ends
who knows what the way we will go then.
As long as they dont take a leaf out of Blackpool's book.
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
Highlander, it was a little tongue in cheek saying I would see a big rush to join Arsenal. They struggle to attract big players now what chance is there with some of the jokers suggested in charge.
Wenger does not own the club and has a limit to what he can spend. Contract negotiations are not handled by Wenger. In the case of Mata it came down to agreeing a fee and Arsenal were not willing to pay the fee. As I have stated many times Arsenal is a business.If ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea and City were normal businesses they would be declared bankrupt. To that list you can add Madrid and Barca.
Maybe harry should not be the England manager if he is tactically so naive to allow the opposition to play.
Vieria was never offered a position at Arsenal. Wenger refused to sign him when City took him for a season as a player. Wenger was right because he was well past his sell by date.
UBT, As I am a season ticket holder and not an armchair pundit who thinks he knows all the answers, I am fully aware of the squad and what they are and how much they cost. Somehow your blinkered view of throwing Wenger out will result in the sun coming out and the garden will be full of roses.Plenty talk but really very little substance.
I could use up all the e-power on CBF trying to explain to you Gerry the flaws with Wenger, but I have a great idea. How about we meet before the game tonight when I can explain in 'armchair punditry' (LOL)terms what the problems are in full graphical detail. And the first beer is on me, after which we can head for the ground and take our armchairs sorry I mean seats.:D:D Call me on 07********* on where to meet for the beer - I'll be going into Highbury and Islington tonight.
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Good luck to them tonight.
2 - 0 at half time ? and who knows :)
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Well I got it wrong again - it's 3 - 0:D
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gooners are gonners
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At least they were there:D
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not for long,
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Poor second half. Looked like they ran out of legs in the last 30 mins. Shame as they played really well first half.
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Shame for Arsenal, they played so well in the first half. I really thought it was going to be another Istanbul... Well done anyway, no disgrace going out on that performance.
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Revenue topped up again.....Thought the ref was shocking at times......great effort but lost the plot when Chamberlain went off.
Always next year and with our 3rd place finish in the Premiership we won't even have to go through the qualification games. ;-))
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Tuff Arsenal you played well. I hope you manage to qualify for next year. (but not at Citys expense of course).
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I enjoyed the match enormously last night, it was like a good night at Highbury used to be for a big mid week match. The crowd were magnificent. The 'first eleven' team looked good, direct football, played at a tempo, played with spirit and determination. They all played well, with many stand out performances, from the likes of Kozzer, RVP, Rosiky and Song, even though he did pass occasionally to his invisible friend. However the one stand out performance was the Ox he was magnificent in the middle, particularly for an 18 year old. I think he looks like he could be better than Rooney, but an even better Rooney. One without the red mist problems and poor attitude. However, the fairy tale ending never looked like happening once we started, understandably, to run out of steam 70 minutes in. So the Emirates was a great place to be last night. OPO I hope you got there too, it was not a night to be missed, and sorry we couldn't meet up for a pint.
Substitution options last night were clearly limited - particularly with '2nd string' strikers such as Vela and Bedtner unavailable as they are out on loan - and what Chamak and Park clearly proved when they came on was that they are not up to the job at Arsenal for an ordinary game, let alone a CL match against the Italian Champions. And let's not forget that one impact substitution player we have was missing last night, someone who could make a difference, and that was Arshavin because he had been loaned out so that he could establish himself for the Russian team in the summer!! Finally we should not forget that the team was humbled in the first leg, partly because of the way the team performed on the night, but perhaps more importantly because of the way the team was set up to play at the San Siro in the first leg of a two leg european game. Which was the biggest reason why we had our backsides smacked 4-0. And all of these issues come back directly to Wenger, and my only problem with last night's magnificent performance that came so close to putting us through to the next round of the CL, is that it will help re-solidify Wenger's position in the club, but then I've argued here and other places the various reasons why for the clubs sake and his own personal sake, Wenger needs to move, or be moved on.
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And you still havent said who is as good as him to replace him:(
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Competing against the best in europe,vying for third place in the premier league,one of the best stadiums in the world.All of this done on a shoe string compared to so many clubs.
Now tell me again what he's doing so wrong and who's going to do a better job ?
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spot on Anna :)
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Originally posted by anna-marie01
Competing against the best in europe,vying for third place in the premier league,one of the best stadiums in the world.All of this done on a shoe string compared to so many clubs.
Now tell me again what he's doing so wrong and who's going to do a better job ?
Anne Marie your ambition for the club is somewhat limited. The Wenger we used to respect (no adore) won us Championships and Cups, not any more. FYI on the 'shoestring budget' its TWICE as much as harry has for the Spuds, and much higher even than Liverpool and Wenger is personally paid £7million a year, and for what? to compete for third/fourth place? As to the new stadium I marvel at every time I go, but then again we do pay the highest ticket prices in the world (for third/fourth place ambition!!) Ask we would I swap the new stadium for Highbury (which I loved) and trophies, I know what I'd pick ;)
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Originally posted by desmartinson
And you still havent said who is as good as him to replace him:(
Des are you having a senior moment? I know you have been following this thread, as I have made a couple of suggestions earlier on, that was based on a British/English solution rather than the foreign hired gun type of manager - often fancied by the rich or overambitious clubs. Indeed, I'd be happy to partake in a thread entitled 'Wenger's Replacement' where we could discuss all possible options, but unfortunately I do not realistically think we will be looking for his replacement, unless he does resign of his own accord, unlikely as he's got it too easy at the Arsenal.
We must be near the end of this thread soon, so come on old son keep up!! ;)
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In the last five years money spent on transfer fees.
Man City - 455,000,000
Liverpool - 253,000,000
Spurs - 230,000,000
Chelsea - 200,000,000
Man U -164,000,000
Arsenal - 85,000,000 Long live Arsene.
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Originally posted by anna-marie01
In the last five years money spent on transfer fees.
Man City - 455,000,000
Liverpool - 253,000,000
Spurs - 230,000,000
Chelsea - 200,000,000
Man U -164,000,000
Arsenal - 85,000,000 Long live Arsene.
Although I am not sure this is the 'net' transfer figures (money in and out) it does also help explain why we are not competing as well as we should be. I do not want to overspend in the Man City/Chelski model, but Wenger's refusal to buy key experienced players we desperately needed to push the team on in the last three years is part of the reason for the low spend, and the not disconnected issue of unsuccessful seasons. The 5 years also includes the peak expenditure period of the stadium build, when the club was correctly tight on transfers, but that should not have applied over the last three years, when money has been available. The reason money was not spent over those three years was either Wenger's stubbornness that he could win with just youth, or the fact that he would not pay the price for proven PL players we needed to push the team on, such as Cahill or Samba. He prefers to go for the cheap option in the hope they will turn out to be the super bargain like Vierra, well as we know to our cost they don't always turn out like that, e.g Squilacci.
I also think your £185 million does not include the panic buys he made in the closing hours of the transfer window last August, Remember when he was telling us we didn't need to spend to replace Fabregas and Nasri, and he had all the players he needs! Irony is that he said he didn't need to spend on defenders in the january window. Fiest press conference after the close of the January window, he is bemoaning the availability of defenders, who were either crocked, playing out of position, or just not good enough, and you wonder why I think he has lost the plot
Finally, you should remember it is the ongoing wages bill that is the biggest draw on clubs expenditure not transfers. And it is the way that has been managed by Wenger that is costing the club more in not just cash terms going out each week, but in our ability to ship out players who just are not good enough, but we can't because they are on such overinflated salaries at Arsenal, e.g Almunia, Dennilson, Bentdner, Vela .. and I know I have said this before but to add insult on top of injury a fortnight ago he continues with this failed wage policy by paying Johann Durou a salary increase to £50k a week, plus extended contract, and he is at best our fifth choice centre half and a poor one at that.
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arsenal are signing podolski,from cologne10million&,100,000 a week.is he worth ?
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Originally posted by davybill
arsenal are signing podolski,from cologne10million&,100,000 a week.is he worth ?
Certainly has the right pedigree. And the big question is he being lined up to replace RVP or to show intent for the club for the future so RVP stays, or perhaps both!!
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If you compare it with a man called Torres and how much did he cost, and how much does he get a week, id say yes. ;)
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Originally posted by davybill
arsenal are signing podolski,from cologne10million&,100,000 a week.is he worth ?
He's a snip,
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If Arsenal dont stop winning soon, they,ll be crying out to sack wenger for boredom. ;) :)
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where did they get 5 minutes injury time? no goals, no injuries ah! I see now they borrowed Manu's referee!
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Those grapes are a bit sour today: :) ;)
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Originally posted by tinkerman
where did they get 5 minutes injury time? no goals, no injuries ah! I see now they borrowed Manu's referee!
Webb thought he'd give that little extra 'Fergie' time to avoid a similar tirade that the fourth official received from Wenger last Tuesday at the Milan game. While everyone else was celebrating a great game, Wenger was b*****king the officials!:D:D
Tinx I'm a generous man, it now between the London clubs who will get the final CL places. So I'll be happy to see Chelski get fourth place, whilst the Spuds enter the Euro Worthington Cup ... ah the dream end to a rollercoaster season.[^]
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If you added up all of Krul's time wasting tactics,it would have probably been closer to 10 minutes.
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if a goalkeeper is wasting time by keeping the ball as long as he can, most of which the ball was actually in play but the arsenal players didnt want to come and get it, why isnt holding the ball in the corner and bringing subs during injury time classed as timewasting? none of which is in the interests of the game.
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Each sub that is brought on the ref is supposed to add another 30 seconds,as for holding the ball by the corner flag i quite agree.
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5 subs in second half plus plenty of fouls and a couple bookings before the 90 mins were up. Then add the time wasting from Newcastle goal kicks and free kicks and five minutes is probably on the low side.
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I too thought that 5 minutes was generous, still your supposed to play to the whistle. At 1-1 I guess Newcastle could have scored a late winner as well.
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The more Arsenal keep winning the more I see how right UBT is that Wenger must go ;)
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We look a Team again. Second wind.....
Are we too far behind the leaders???
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Now let me think. 15 points behind a team with the staying power and experience of Manchester United with 30 points to play for.
On balance, YES ;)
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what would you do without CBF John ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
The more Arsenal keep winning the more I see how right UBT is that Wenger must go ;)
Which is why my reasons for wanting to get rid of him are based on his performance over three years, and not a short term run of 5 games won on the bounce, as welcome as any Arsenal victory is, even those we squeek in the 94 minute:D
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I expect Glasgow Rangers experience is well documented through the years as well...
But. On balance, it's a funny old game.
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Originally posted by desmartinson
what would you do without CBF John ;)
Well I wouldn't have to spend so much time wondering what your posts mean des.