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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 10:59:53 AM »
Breaking news on the BBC website today. Harry Redknapp has turned down the England managers job and has been confirmed as the new tax advisor for Rangers FC.


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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 16:40:24 PM »
JohnF is correct in saying that this was not a decision made on the EBT aspect of the investigation but based on this current year tax liability. How they managed to get the EBT solution wrong is beyond me as it really was not a difficult mechanism for returning a high percentage of ones salary.

When a man can pay money into an offshore account, pay zero tax, have the account in the name of his dog and still manage to get found not guilty????? There is hope for us all.....

They should have given me a call and they wouldn't have all this trouble right now!!  ;)

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 17:30:05 PM »
I think some players/agents insisted that there was some documentation to protect the promised loan.
They did not trust a verbal contract, it seems.
Of course, all of this is still speculation because Ragers have insisted that all proceedings be held in secret.

This story has arms and legs and tentacles and layers of the biggest onion available in Fethiye market.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 19:36:04 PM »
Rumour has it there at at least 8 clubs in the UK using this system to avoid their tax liabilities. Doesn't look good for some if the tax man wins this case.

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 08:32:14 AM »
As long as they have kept within HMRC guidelines then the tax man will not win the case.

The tax man has only one tool in his box and that is retrospective legislation change and even if they passed that through the UK courts, the European courts would never allow it.

HMRC set the guidelines and in doing so create loopholes, it is the use of these that allow taxpayers to manage their own tax and minimise their liability. The fact that HMRC then say that people have misunderstood what they meant when they wrote a certain piece of legislation is rubbish. As long as you manage your personal tax and keep within the guidelines and remain compliant with current HMRC legislation you will be okay. Tax law is exactly what it says "Law" and if you remain within this law then good luck to you.

People have been doing this for years by running limited companies and maximising their receipts to offset against their tax liability but using offshore solutions is taking things to another level. These companies specialise in tax litigation and understand tax law to the full. I admit that their are some cowboys out there so best to work on a referral basis.

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 12:54:20 PM »
As I understand it you cannot use these trusts to cover contractual arrangements e.g. salary and hence Amca's comment that agents will have a written record from the club that the players don't have to repay these "loans".

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 17:12:10 PM »
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Originally posted by thebillet

As I understand it you cannot use these trusts to cover contractual arrangements e.g. salary and hence Amca's comment that agents will have a written record from the club that the players don't have to repay these "loans".



An EBT was exactly for that purpose, Employee Benefit Trusts were used to reward employees hence salary paid staff. The full benefit of an EBT scheme was best served from an offshore source, I'm not sure in this case but have been advised that RFC were trying to do this through a UK based solution and only moved it at a later date to offshore. By doing this they have operated outside of the guidelines and become non-compliant.

There are a few Premiership clubs that have used these payment methods in the past and never faced any problems. If you use professional people in this field then you should have no problems, use your Brother's mate's accountant and you are asking for trouble.

Loans paid out on these and similar solutions have certain hallmarks they must meet, they must accrue interest at the recommended rate of 4.5%, they must be paid back and they cannot be written off. Most users prefer the forex way of paying back the loan as this is easily controlled and can be spread over the recommended time span of 5 years. The user will only be liable for the tax element of the interest e.g. £80000 loan = £640 bill.

Loopholes are everywhere in the UK tax system and they will always be used by those wanting to reduce the amount of tax they pay. If HMRC were to change the tax % to a fairer one like 20% across the board, you would find that hardly anyone would use solutions because the companies running them would have to reduce their fees and it would not be worth their while doing so. If HMRC think they are getting 50% of my money they can think again, 20% everyday of the week but never half!!
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 21:20:46 PM »
Rangers given expert advice and not just by the brother in law's accountant.

http://rangerstaxcase.com/2011/04/04/rangers-expert-advice/

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 10:26:13 AM »
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Originally posted by amca

Rangers given expert advice and not just by the brother in law's accountant.

http://rangerstaxcase.com/2011/04/04/rangers-expert-advice/



Not that much of an expert then!! maybe the Brother in laws accountant would have been a better option for them. ;)

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2012, 22:22:45 PM »
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Originally posted by thebillet

Amca, I read the blog yesterday, it is fascinating. The opinion of Craig Whyte (he that stars regularly in Private Eye)that they will lose the HMRC case shows how critical times are for Rangers. The scheme was also used by directors of the club which according to one comment is evidence of a conflict of interest. As serious and forensic as the blog is I did like its explanation of "succulent lamb".



Anyone who is interested may wish to know that rangerstaxcase.com has been awarded the Orwell Prize.
The extent of the abuse has been broadcast on BBC Scotland.

Blackburn and Newcastle supporters may be interested in the appearance of Messrs. Boumsong, Tugay, Ferguson and ........  Souness.




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