Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Bar and Restaurant Questions and Discussions => Topic started by: c1 on November 15, 2010, 13:50:17 PM
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Resturants thoughout this holiday area boast chinese, indian, mexican, etc all from same kitchen cooked by same chef (turk?)with indifferent reults. could this be another area were work permit rules comes into play to restrict people who can cook these dishes are kept out so the reults are A) keep a turk in a job. B) only tourists so what and who cares.C) restrict or stop import of proper incredants. If the Turks want to move "up market" I hate that phrase but can think of no other that fits, so they can move away from poor English and attract slightly richer English to spend more per visit to Turkey, or do they not care as most resturants work on a cash basis which the government see very little of. All I want is a good take away just one would do. ;)
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I don't think the richer English will want a Chinese takeaway in Turkey. Strangely enough they will want Turkish food.
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c1, there's no reason why a Turkish chef can't rustle up a decent Chinese/Indian/Mexican meal - I'm sure they have access to pretty much all of the ingredients. Bear in mind that what we're used to are westernised versions of these cuisines anyway - try visiting a "locals" restaurant in London's chinatown and you'll see that the menu is completely alien to us!
You have to accept that Turkey is a budget destination, and the restaurant trade is geared up accordingly. To my palate, the food in the vast majority of restaurants is "adequate" and no more. But if I'm paying 20-25 lire for a main course, what more can I expect. There are a couple of better establishments in Olu Deniz (and there may be in Calis, but I don't know them) where the menu is prepared with a little more imagination and they are significantly more expensive, but generally it's a case of cheap, cheerful and generally good value. That's what the punters want!
As far as takeaways go, when it's so cheap to eat in, why bother taking it home? Having said that, I would guess that any restaurant will put a full meal in a doggy-box if you ask.
PS: How about the doner kebap? They're pretty good!
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Personally I have never met any Chineses or Mexican nationals in a UK Chinese or Mexican restaurant, so do not imagine its only a Turkish thing. Also what about English breakfasts can a Scotsman legally cook one........
As for a good take-away in the area? I do believe there are one or two, in fact virtually every locantasi, thay do take-aways and many even deliver.
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Originally posted by Jim Fraser
Also what about English breakfasts can a Scotsman legally cook one........
Excellent:D
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RPG Turkey to my pocket nolonger a budget destination many prices are above UK prices now and still increasing.Jim I've never had a chinese take away except that which has been cooked by a Chinese person in uk.Luckily I've been to india, although most indian resturants in uk are Pakistani or musilim the food is great. wether a scotsman can legally cook an english breakfast is not the point surely it's if he can do it well, and I do like the square sausages you scots use along with all the readily availible incrediants, however a good indian relies upon the right stuff and skills, not just the ability to hold a frying pan (do you want your Mars bar deep fried), also never had a good pizza in Turkey, not sure if they use the right wheat or can get the right wheat for the base let alone the right dried meats. I have eaten in many local Locantasi (cafe's) while they do great value Turkish food very well, not seen one doing the beach front mexican/indian/chinese thing, prehaps you could recommend one that does.
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If a Scotsman can cook a haggis(see you jimmy) he can cook any bloody thing. ;) :)
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still baffles me as to why anyone of any nationality would want to cook a haggis !!![xx(]
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I agree with Charles (c1) on one point, that the work permit situation has a bearing on the quality of these "foreign" food restaurants. We holidayed not so long back in Rhodes (while still living in Turkey) and across the road from the hotel was a superb Chinese - and so strange to see Chinese waiters and chefs working away - but it does make a difference. Even Gordon Ramsay said he could work on Chinese food only and after a few years might be good enough to earn a rating of 4 out of 10, so some guy from Mugla isn't likely to get close. I said in a topic a few years back that Shine in Hisaronu was plenty good enough if you had a need for an Indian but if I've been to 50 Indian restaurants in the UK then Shine would rate as number 51 in my list.
What is a far more difficult question is WHY there is such a need to put Chinese/Indian/Mexican on so many menus. Having lived out there I know there is a demand for something other than Pide and Iskender Kebap for a change but that is natural. It's not just about curries and chop sueys - the same goes for places like Pies & Patries, sometimes you just want a slice of lemon meringue pie :D Why anyone out there for a week or fortnight holiday wants to sit and have a third rate curry or dodgy Chinese is beyond me, when they can have the real thing within a week or two.
The problem is the same old problem - one restaurant sees someone eating a chow meiny dish and panic, thinking they are missing out. So they add Chinese to their menu and do it equally badly. So ultimately you get what we have, dozens of restaurants with the same menu choice as each other. Everyone is doing it and mostly they are doing it not very well.
I can't agree with Charles on one thing - yes most pizzas are thick, doughy strange things - but Bella Mamma's do a superb pizza.
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Pookie try it, it is awesome, a haggis toastie is sublime.
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[xx(][xx(] once tried, never forgotten [xx(][xx(]:D
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I love Haggis!!
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We have Domino Pizza in Fethiye now:D, not tried it yet though
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Originally posted by pookie
still baffles me as to why anyone of any nationality would want to cook a haggis !!![xx(]
its not the cooking pookie, its catching the buggar.lol:D
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I do not think the place of origin of a Chef dictates whether he can be a good Chinese food cook or not. Quote "some guy from Mugla isn't likely to get close"
So, born in Tuscon, Arizona. Raised in Chicago, Illinois. Aged 37, settled himself in Paris, but 11 years later settled in south west France but since 2003 adopted Thailand as his homeland. So "unlikely to get close"?
Rubbish!
Name? Ken Hom, OBE.
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Rubbish? Ken Hom has/had Chinese parents and was working in his (Chinese) uncle's Chinese restaurant from the age of 11. Hardly the same as Mehmet from Denizli!
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The scorn of the scunner strikes again....
You're both right, check a dictionery.
It seems Ken Hom's origin was Arizona and he was of Chinese origin. Sometimes the English language stinks!
And who's this Mehmet guy, and how can you be so sure he's not Chinese - he might be Ken's brother.
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Scorn? I swear you dream up things that simply aren't there. Farmer's opinion was that my opinion was rubbish. My opinion was that his opinion was rubbish. A fair debate between two respectful and adult people that have known each other many years. I can't see that I need to be pulled up for being scornful when we both said the same to each other?
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"check a dictionery."
Love it:D:D
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:D:DClassic:D:D
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Anyway, if people can cope with my scorn - my main points are that the fear of missing out causes menus to blur into each other causing a stifling lack of choice, and that the protectionist work permit system that is in place to safeguard Turkish interests actually more often harms Turkey than helps it. Whatever Mr Farmer might think, you can't learn to cook Chinese food authentically from a book or from a few weeks working abroad - and the result is further worsened by the huge costs involved with importing ingredients. So what you are left with is a local version made by a local person with locally available ingredients - it's not going to be authentic is it?
I do wish the prom was made up of local fish restaurants (this can be done in the Fethiye fish market with superb quality), kebap restaurants and places like Mozaik Bahce, showing us some of the wonderful regional variations that a country as diverse as Turkey must have in abundance.
I have a feeling that once upon a time it was a bit like that, then one restaurant spied a plate of chips coming out in another, and it was a very slippery slope from that day to this. I remember the Han restaurant, specialists in Chinese, Indian AND Mexican (although not Turkish) cuisines. How tragic that was.
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I also remember one particular restaurant on the front who proudly shouted out to us as we walked the front that their Chinese food was the best and most authentic in Calis as their chef was all the way from Bangkok.
Made me laugh at the time anyway.
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Tried the Domino's not a happy experience, I will try Bella's for take away in new year. Stoop as well you know nearly half of Bangkok business run by chinese
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Scorn? I swear you dream up things that simply aren't there.
Yes, you are right - I read "Rubbish?" as "Rubbish!" - big difference, and I offer my public apology.
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"check a dictionery." Love it
Wish I could claim I did it on porpoise, but it was simple carelessness.
I had a bad day yesterday................
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Originally posted by c1
Tried the Domino's not a happy experience,
We also tried in August and ended up with 5 very unhappy teenagers and two even more miserable adults. Dreadful...
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c1 - my son could be construed to be 'all the way from Bangkok' but couldn't cook an omelet let alone a Chinese meal :)
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Theres one restaurant in Hisaronu, who everone rates their Indian curries as the the most "Authentic" and "To die for". But the owner was on a forum at one time, asking holiday makers to bring him out jars of Sharwoods curry sauce.
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What an idiot. If he knew anything about authentic curries he'd have asked for Loyd Grossman's :D
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through the key hole no doubt
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I cant immagine going all the way to Fethiye to eat cury you cant even get a proper one in the UK just a stogy english version of something that will shock most true Asians, however, there are great places to eat/dine in Fethiye with realy good service looovvveeeely as for hagis I have driven to the west of Scotland many a time for a good Hagis, a good wisky and fun nights so for the real stuff go to India and for hagis go to Scotland and for Turkish go to Fethiye. man i,m getting hungry think i'll fly over to Fethiye for a weekend.
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I have to say I have had some fantastic pizzas in turkey
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Originally posted by rhodie
I cant immagine going all the way to Fethiye to eat cury you cant even get a proper one in the UK just a stogy english version of something that will shock most true Asians, however, there are great places to eat/dine in Fethiye with realy good service looovvveeeely as for hagis I have driven to the west of Scotland many a time for a good Hagis, a good wisky and fun nights so for the real stuff go to India and for hagis go to Scotland and for Turkish go to Fethiye. man i,m getting hungry think i'll fly over to Fethiye for a weekend.
I agree that you are definitely not going to get any authentic food in Turkey other than Turkish food (which they do quite well in some places to be fair). However the idea that for those of us living in the UK that the only way to enjoy Indian food is to book two flights to Mumbai is quite frankly ridiculous. The Indian customers in our local curry house and Chinese in our local Chinky (bet you can't say that anymore?) don't seem to have any problems with the authenticity of their meals. In fact, the Chinese folk dining in the one we go to often outnumber the rest of us.
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My brother went to a Chinese restaurant (you know, the one that doesn't like cats and has lost a lot of business as a result) last year because he has a particular hankering for "Hot and Sour" soup. I don't think he expected it to be perfect but it was clear they had no idea what constituted a hot and sour soup as it was certainly neither of them. Moral of the story, when in Rome eat as the Romans do and not what the Romans think is a decent guess at some of the stuff you like to eat at home.:D