Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Highlander on February 14, 2019, 14:10:45 PM
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My gut feeling is "not in a million years"
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NO >:(
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No
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Absolutely not! I feel soo enraged that it may even be a possibilty I hope not, she said on the news last night she does not regret going so to me thats enough reason why she should not ever come back to the uk.
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Definitely NO
However the benefits are probably already being processed :(
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Only on the day that hell freezes over. BTW we don't much want her here in Turkey either
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Don't think Reg will agree to that Liz,hope not :)
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Nope!
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She is presently in a refugee camp.
If she is planning to return to the UK, who is going to pay for her flight.
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I see the apologists are out in force making excuses for her even though she said she has no regrets
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She is presently in a refugee camp.
If she is planning to return to the UK, who is going to pay for her flight.
Maybe you could start a just giving page John ;)
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Sorry badger, I have been all maxed out ever since Alex Salmond set up his Giving page for his legal expenses.
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Absolutely not
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No!
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I don't often agree with Katie Hopkins but I 'd say she's got this right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2FqET94Ks
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No not ever
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Apparently the legal situation is we can’t stop her as she is a British Citizen ,However once she gets here she will be subject to British law and will be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted if the evidence exists.
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She wants to have her baby, through the Nhs.😬😬😬
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Definitely not.
I feel sorry that two of her babies died, but She knew what she was doing.....Even if she was only 15 when she joined Isis. Did she think that it would be all 'fun and frolics' when she got there? Maybe she thought of herself as a 'modern-day heroine'? Who knows and who cares? You reap what you sow.
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NO - but don't bet against it happening.
There isn't one response on this thread that even remotely supports her return, and my view of the people on this site is that they aren't Islamaphob bigots.
I think that says it all.
No, 'bed' & 'lie in it' spring to mind.
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What about this for a point of view: she was groomed and radicalised as a child before going to Syria where at 15 she was married off to an IS fighter.Therefore she is a child victim of abuse.She has lost 2 children and wants to save a third,she is traumatised and possibly suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
If she had been so abused in UK we would feel sorry for her and treat her as a victim,she is still a British Citizen so should be safeguarded and given all assistance possible no matter where she is or what she has done,although we don’t really know much beyond her supporting IS.
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Fair point, but until the "supporting IS" part is established, then no
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I have heard that argument Steve A.
And you are of course quite correct about the legal situation which is why I said my "gut feeling" was not in a million years.
But she is an adult now ("I'm not the same silly little 15-year-old schoolgirl who ran away from Bethnal Green four years ago," ;) and shows absolutely no remorse for her involvement with the terror group.
She said that she was not fazed by seeing "beheaded heads" in bins but then turns round and says she was shock by the death of two babies. Have the two previous pregnancies even been verified. Well perhaps you shouldn't be fazed by staying exactly where you are.
Her family have appealed last night for her to be shown mercy. >:( >:( >:( Mercy ! - what mercy did her murderous friends show David Haines, Alan Henning and others.
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No doubt Corbyn is lining up the tea and cakes for her!
He does love a terrorist
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I follow Steve A's thought process and would add that she is probably self- limited in what she speaks aloud in her present surroundings ie saying the sort of stuff expected of her by her old "friends".
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He does love a terrorist
You shouldn't talk about his missus like that.
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Can I add that the point of view I expressed above was not necessarily my point of view but posted to stimulate debate
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I understood that from the post you refer to Steve A
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I am a compassionate old soul and also a bit squeamish but I would be happy enough to see if her head in a bin would faze me.
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Mr Trump has asked all european countries including Britain to take back all. captured Isis and put them on trial.😬😬😬
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Let her back in . Then give her the same treatment as “IS“ did to their enemy. See how she thinks that’s clever .
She was old enough to make the decision to go there and live the life she lived for 3 years . Then when things didn’t look to good she wants to come running home . Well I for one would see her rot in hell .
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I really don’t like this woman but she seems to have got this right . https://youtu.be/PPHTVvd0-TI
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To be clear, if someone bombed our country killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, destroying all our infrastructure, destroying schools and hospitals and razing our homes to the ground, don’t you think young men here would feel aggrieved and want, in some way, to get their own back? If they acted on their anger and grief, I think they’d be heroes here.
People are just as dead if they’re hit by a stray bomb or if they’re beheaded.
This girl was 15 years old when she was radicalised. 15 year olds are idealistic and she made a decision she must now regret for the rest of her life.
Three years have passed, she now has a baby boy, realises what she did was wrong, and must miss her family a lot.
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??? ??? ???
To be clear Should Shamima Begum be allowed back into Britain ?
Bearing in mind as a 19 year old and when asked "Were you aware of the executions and beheadings BEFORE you went she replied "Yes but I was OK with that.
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.... to get their own back? If they acted on their anger and grief, I think they’d be heroes here.
Anybody that beheaded totally innocent aid workers would NOT be a hero in my book.
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People do get squeamish about beheadings, but explain the difference between
(A) an aid worker being beheaded, and
(B) a wedding party being hit by a bomb, killing 75% of family and friends.
Both horribly wrong, but judging by press coverage, the deaths of Muslim civilians is not as important or newsworthy.
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A lot of 15 years old in the world we live in now adays are 15 going on 25 I worked in education in a secondary school for 10 years and some of the conversations between the students were not that of children...
She knew exactly what she was doing when she left the uk 3 years ago and really does appear NOT to regret her decision to go and join ISIS one of the newspaper or news have already quoted that she does not regret going!
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15 year olds may see grown up and worldly wise; it’s a front. 15 year old girls are the same as they’ve always been - wanting to be seen as sophisticated adults, but still children underneath.
A footballer was jailed last year for having a relationship with a 15 year old, and was called a paedophile in the press. Legally, she was still a child.
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Lindsey
Good to see you doing the usual lefty part of making apologies for a terror group.
This individual was 15 when I was 15 I knew the difference between right and wrong. Deep down she probably knows it was wrong, it is however too late now.
She has been bleating about wanting sympathy, I would sugget her advisors tell her to stop whingeing and face up to the consequences of her actions.
If we do have to have her back I have an idea to facilitate her return.
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But they weren’t bombing her Country, she left her Country, to go to a war torn one. She’s made her bed let her lie in it.
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I actually don't think the young woman has a clue at how much hatred/contempt there is for her in this country. If she returns here, I don't hold out much hope for her safety or that of her family. She can't hide behind her veil forever.
And now it's all Tower Hamlets Council's fault that she left the UK in the first place---- PATHETIC!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamina-begum-tower-hamlets-police-school-isis-bride-london-syria-jihadis-schoolgirl-tasnime-akunjee-a8784231.html
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That idiot of a lawyer was on Good Morning Britain this morning trying to compare her with a First World War veteran suffering from shell shock.
Then when dismantled by the Richard Madeley had the temerity to accuse him of always being right.
As you said toky PATHETIC !!!!!!
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In an interview with BBC News.......
IS supporter Shamima Begum admits she was a poster girl for IS recruitment. >:(
She still has sympathy for the group and equated its crimes to coalition airstrikes against the extremist group >:(.
She said that, despite being only 15 years old when she left Britain to join IS, she knew what she was doing and was capable of making her own decisions. >:(
She says she would have let her first son become an IS fighter. Now she wants her boy "to be British".
She says that she viewed propaganda videos from IS and al-Qaeda linked groups. She watched videos of the murders of British hostages, but when asked, said she didn't know the names of any of the victims.
And she says she knew of the IS-inspired attacks in Manchester and elsewhere, but hadn't realised women and children were killed. Oh really >:( >:( >:(
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Madmart, I have to say I deplore all acts of violence, whether they be direct, ie beheadings or indirect, ie sitting in an aeroplane pressing a button releasing a bomb, or sitting in a room controlling a drone. Both are equally evil.
I have never been an apologist for terrorism, I merely seek to understand the motivation of terrorists, and would remind you that terrorism committed by faux Muslims was very rare before the US and our reaction to 9/11. Slightly more than 3,000 people perished in or around the World Trade Centre after the atrocity committed by Saudis. How many innocent civilians have been killed since then by our reaction to said atrocity, and how many allied servicemen have been killed or maimed in the process.
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These people have fled for their lives to a camp, now IS are close to full defeat. Now, if American/British soldiers and support personnel had fled to a camp in the last knockings, I have no doubt IS would have thanked them for making their job so easy and mown them all down with ease.
The rules of war should be the same for all - I would have been delighted to see the terrorists there finished off, instantly - once and for all.
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I really don’t like this woman but she seems to have got this right . https://youtu.be/PPHTVvd0-TI
This has just made me despise Ms Begum even more. For the first time I have to agree with Katie Hopkins.
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Madmart, I have to say I deplore all acts of violence, whether they be direct, ie beheadings or indirect, ie sitting in an aeroplane pressing a button releasing a bomb, or sitting in a room controlling a drone. Both are equally evil.
I have never been an apologist for terrorism, I merely seek to understand the motivation of terrorists, and would remind you that terrorism committed by faux Muslims was very rare before the US and our reaction to 9/11. Slightly more than 3,000 people perished in or around the World Trade Centre after the atrocity committed by Saudis. How many innocent civilians have been killed since then by our reaction to said atrocity, and how many allied servicemen have been killed or maimed in the process.
Lindsey - so how would you have defeated IS ?
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The Times are reporting that Abase Hussen, the father of one of the other girls, who blamed police for failing to stop his teenage daughter fleeing to Syria to join Isis once appeared alongside convicted terrorists at a hate-filled London protest.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2S8TP0X/father.jpg)
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Correct !
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Can someone help me with this.
Where is the husband ?
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https://www.facebook.com/736464866/posts/10158223904769867?sfns=mo
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These people have fled for their lives to a camp, now IS are close to full defeat. Now, if American/British soldiers and support personnel had fled to a camp in the last knockings, I have no doubt IS would have thanked them for making their job so easy and mown them all down with ease.
The rules of war should be the same for all - I would have been delighted to see the terrorists there finished off, instantly - once and for all.
If only these things were so black and white
Surely the rules of war - if such things exist- would include not attacking civilians
In all the " we will bring democracy but we are really here to steal oil" ill thought out sortees across the ME - it's hard to see any good guys when it came to mass slaughter of civilians
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If only these things were so black and white
Surely the rules of war - if such things exist- would include not attacking civilians
In all the " we will bring democracy but we are really here to steal oil" ill thought out sortees across the ME - it's hard to see any good guys when it came to mass slaughter of civilians
I agree with all you say - especially in regard to civililians. But the ex-IS fighters are all seperated and lined up feeling a bit cold. Since they sneak around blowing up European city centres and children's pop concerts, why take the risk, they are warped - they are not civilians so finish them off.
If anyone disagrees with me please feel free to say, but it seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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On a personal basis I cannot see me crying myself to sleep re the loss of ISIS types
I have no time for hate filled religious throwbacks- whether they be slaughtering in the ME or propping up HMG
Again however amid the ( understandable) clamour for hellish vengeance against ISIS and their enablers and calls for the US/UK govts to stand firm now against these remnants returning - its convenient to overlook that US/UK administration's as and when it suited were more than happy to assist and support these types across the ME
I have lost track of who the " baddies" are/were as the govt opinion changed almost daily
Bin Laden and his fellow travellers were great guys when fighting the Russkis, then baddies after 9/11, then good guys again ( no regard for 9/11 families anymore) when the West backed some of the exact same ISIS associates mix in Syria going as far as assisting ISIS in attacks on Syrian forces
Frankly in this whole sorry mess there are 100s of 1000s - if not millions of innocent dead and displaced thanks to bad guys ISIS, Alnusra, the West, Russia etc etc -but no sign of any truly good guys
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https://www.facebook.com/736464866/posts/10158223904769867?sfns=mo
Link not available ?
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Quick update the Government have decided their policy for this amid great secrecy, here it is
(https://i.postimg.cc/bGTvydwS/IMG-20190218-WA0000.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bGTvydwS)
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At least the Home Secretary has shown a bit of backbone and revoked her passport.
Her family have the right to appeal so, this is far from over. Her lawyer will of course make plenty dosh dragging this through every court in the land, all at the British tax payers expense.
It honestly makes my blood boil
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Me too Anne >:( >:( >:( - if the family were faced with the legal bill the case wouldn't even get started.
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As I said earlier he's just getting the chocolate digestives, scones and tea ready for her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47319763
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Expert lawyers with experience in Bangladeshi citizenship cases have told the BBC that under Bangladesh law, a UK national like Ms Begum, if born to a Bangladeshi parent, is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. That means that such a person would have dual nationality.
I also understand that the boy is a Dutch National by virtue of the father.
Either of these would appear to suggest that the authorities have acted within international law in banning Shamami Begum.
Perhaps Mr Corbyn and Ms Abbot have a different view and would like to offer to pick up the legal tab for Ms Begum.
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" Angry, Tunbridge Wells"- sure has a special place on CBF
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I am not sure what you mean saoirse ???