Ok lets look at joes record. 69 wins i3 lost. 43 wins by way of ko.During the golden era of heavey weight boxing rated no 5 in the world.In 1973 he boxed JoeFrazier said after. the fight only Ali and Foreman had been tougher, Bugner lost by a split desision. You need to check out the fighters Joe beat during his time . If you know your boxing you have to admit Joe was a great fighter not the best in the world but not the dope you make him out to be.You think you know the fight game i dont think you do.