Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Cost of Living in Turkey => Topic started by: Crabbit on January 08, 2008, 01:12:05 AM
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Some of the Increases for 2008
Electricity increased by 15%
Real Estate Tax increased by 3.6%
Vehicle Tax increased by 7.2%
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Almost feels like you are back in the UK - Eh?
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Steve, I can't see your picture! You are a square!!!
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The UK in 2008?
House reposesssions to increase by 30%
Electricity up 12.5% (NPOWER already implimented)
Gas up 17.5% (NPOWER already implimented)
Council tax up 3.5% (if we are lucky)
Income tax 10p band scrapped for new 20% on all earnings above allowance threshold. Great for the high earners but a nightmare for low earners.
You've got it lucky Crabbit - I could go on.
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Current inflation levels (Consumer Price Index)
UK = 2.1% Turkey = 8.4%
So, overall, prices are going up four times faster in Turkey.
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Took my family out for a pub lunch on Sunday....4 adults and 3 grandchildren. It cost £100......It was excellent but I shudder when I think how many times we could have eaten in Fethiye for that money! Fethiye still gets my vote whatever the statistics say. :)
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Just got back from Spain where we spent New Year. We are lucky enough to visit Calis twice a year and Spain twice, though for shorter breaks. I cant quote factual data merely anecdote but Spain is by far the cheapest place to eat and drink- certainly from a Tourist perspective.
For example, a menu of the day at a good place, 3 courses with several choices for each 8.75Euros ( £6.48) and a bottle of decent Rioja about the same!
None of the drinks are on optics in fact the size of them are dangerous( New Years Day was spent in a haze). I know that doesnt serve as a balanced view of inflation rates across the world- but youve got to get your priorities right!
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Originally posted by Colwyn
Current inflation levels (Consumer Price Index)
UK = 2.1% Turkey = 8.4%
So, overall, prices are going up four times faster in Turkey.
UK 2.1% - that's some joke:D
My company pension has just been increased by 4.1% in line with retail prices.
I've no doubt inflation is higher in Turkey - it has been for many years - but it's still a lot cheaper than the UK.
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Over the last 2 years or so, the prices in Turkey have risen sharply on most goods, the one big thing Turkey is cheaper than the UK for, is food items.
Clothing, petrol, electrical items, telephone/internet services are on the whole cheaper in the UK plus there is a greater choice here.
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you also have to take into account the strengthening of the Lira over the last year, which also effects prices
08.01.2007 = £1 = 2.78810 TRY
Today = £1 = 2.31140 TRY
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We still have a much better standard of living out here. In fact we are "living" out here.
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Not strictly on topic, but we have just bought some BEKO electrical appliances and they come with a 5 year warranty and for an extra 35YTL per appliance you can extend it to 7 years. Try getting that sort of deal in the UK. Also applies to Arstil furniture which is part of the BEKO group.
Baz 8)
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Whenever I purchased any large electrical appliance in the UK, I expected it to last for 5 to 7 years, so if it broke down in that time, I would return it to the manufacturer and have it repaired free of charge, as is my statuary right.
I couldn`t do that in Turkey.
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2.29 YTL to the £....No real change to what we got when we first bought about 5 years ago:D
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I doubt if you would get a fridge or washing machine ot TV repaired for free in the UK if it broke down after 6 years.
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:)According to the consumer rights any major electrical appliance should be repaired free of charge if it breaks down within its life expectancy, I have just learnt this 1st hand when the grill on my oven broke down, it was repaired FOC. although initially I was told hard lines your warranty has expired, not so, and not many people know this, Anyway comparing Turkey with England pricewise over the last 20years from a personal point of view I think it has gone alot more expensive over there, I agree with Cavfan that Sp[ain is so much cheaper for eating out etc,I am not talking about living there cos I am not in a position to comment on that one,:P
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It all depends on which part of Spain U are talking about. We have had cheap holidays and expensive ones in the North of Spain. Not all of Turkey is as expensive as living in the Fethiye region. Furniture and cars, electrical goods and soft furnishings etc. are much cheaper in Izmir, Mugla and even Dalaman which is an airport town. We are pretty uch a captive audience living in this area. Has anyone thought about the local poor Turks who are struggling to pay all these extra charges on 2TL per hour? Stop moaning and remember why U came here in the first place! How many of your friends and relations in the UK are lucky enought to own a place in the sun? Most people I know would gladly give up their homes in the U.K to live here getting more expensive or not.
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Originally posted by Crabbit
you also have to take into account the strengthening of the Lira over the last year, which also effects prices
08.01.2007 = £1 = 2.78810 TRY
Today = £1 = 2.31140 TRY
That doesn't affect prices - but it does make it more expensive for us Brits to go on holiday.
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by Crabbit
you also have to take into account the strengthening of the Lira over the last year, which also effects prices
08.01.2007 = £1 = 2.78810 TRY
Today = £1 = 2.31140 TRY
That doesn't affect prices - but it does make it more expensive for us Brits to go on holiday.
That was my point Stoop.
Crabbit (not a retired financial advisor)
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if you find somewhere that is getting cheaper, please let me know.
Tinx
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I would say it is not as cheap as it used to be. However it is good value for money. We can get £5 meals here but you can more or less guarantee it is boil in the bag. Whereas in Turkey itwill be fresh ingredients.
They smile more as well and you can't put a price on that.
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'Crabbit (not a retired financial advisor)'
LOL Crabbit - it shows ;)
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however the strenght of the lira does impact, and hardness of a currentcy,which helps in the import / export of a country ie import of oil. I am amazed that turkey with its ubundance of fruit doesn't have a major market in the gulf for soft drinks etc, what happened to polypeck guy?
turkish lira bouyed up by the high interest rates offered to investors, lord alone knows what it would cost to borrow money for a business, the rates would be crazy hence the 8- 10 % inflation. greed will kill the tourist market albeit landlords charging resturants etc to much, or dalaman airport putting up landing fees.
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Yes I wish Tescos sold their tomatoes and potatoes. Best potates in the world.
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Hey Crabbit
Just to fuel your crabbiness. Did you know that self-styled "motorists" in the UK are now shocked, digusted and scandalized by the price of a litre of petrol rising above £1? Wouldn't you like that in Turkey, eh? But if petrol is too expensive, we can always take the bus. By coincidence I discovered from a friend this evening, who has just bought one, that an advanced booked off-peak Megabus ticket from Bristol to London, also costs just £1 (for the 120 mile journey). Though why anyone would want to go to that Great Wen (i.e. s**t*o*e) I cannot imagine.
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like an earlier poster,i went to Southern Spain, property prices double, cost of living considerable lower than turkey, but I don,t care, I love my little place and i love to eat in Challis and lunch in my little bars ar Chiflec.
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Originally posted by dizzy dora
like an earlier poster,i went to Southern Spain, property prices double, cost of living considerable lower than turkey, but I don,t care, I love my little place and i love to eat in Challis and lunch in my little bars ar Chiflec.
Too darn right Dizzy. As long as I can afford it (whatever the cost) Turkey is the place for me.[^]
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:)Nobody complaining just slight observations, not an in depth study, drinks and food are not everything, in fact our drinks here are cheaper, but for me when I arrived in Calis all those years ago I found my little niche in life and the friends we have made over the years are true friends, no amount of money can buy that, So whey i'm a rich bitch. ;)
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2.29 lira to the £ today. Ouch!
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Originally posted by Steve B
2.29 lira to the £ today. Ouch!
At over 3 Lira a Litre for petrol, that beats England hands down.
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Originally posted by Crabbit
Whenever I purchased any large electrical appliance in the UK, I expected it to last for 5 to 7 years, so if it broke down in that time, I would return it to the manufacturer and have it repaired free of charge, as is my statuary right.
I couldn`t do that in Turkey.
Not strictly correct. I believe you are referring to the sale of goods act. There is no stipulation of an exact time span any item should last just a "reasonable period". I am a Trading Standards Officer and believe me even in Small Claims court, your route if you are denied such righrs by a trader, I wouldnt expect you to be supported in a claim for seven years out of electrical items
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reading the news, I guess the exchange rate doesnt help with a very weak pound at the moment which has sunk to its lowest value against the euro. When are you guys going to see the light and dump the pound. Euro lira rate has hardly changed compared to the pound lira rate.
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Originally posted by starman
reading the news, I guess the exchange rate doesnt help with a very weak pound at the moment which has sunk to its lowest value against the euro. When are you guys going to see the light and dump the pound. Euro lira rate has hardly changed compared to the pound lira rate.
Hi Starman, you talk as if we, we being Joe public, have a say in these matters. Gordon our illustrious PM would'nt even give us a referendum over the Lisbon treaty.
Pete
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Banking crisis and credit crunch = weak pound. It will pass, might need a short (say 10 years?) period of stagflation to get over it though. However, I'll keep my money in the place with 2.1% inflation - remember, inflation is the stealthiest of all stealth taxes - and I will try and live for so many months in the place with 8.4% inflation. To even things up I will factor in the sunshine factor, the fresh food factor, the every day is different factor, the lifestyle change factor etc. etc.
Anyone foolish enough to put all their money into a two-club economy and a currency with a history of inflation aka the YTL (or the GBP!) can expect pain in the short-medium term, it might be on a roll now but the YTL will get it's come-uppance in 1-5 years time. As always, hedge your bets if you can.
As for the Euro, it's having a heyday now but only because China, India and the Far East are looking to reduce exposure to the dollar. As the euro strengthens, expect internal tensions that will strain the weaker Euro members and pull the currency union in different directions. Hold on to your hats fellas, we are in for a bumpy ride!
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:)So DAVE, dont you expect a better rate in the near future for the £ v the Euro, Just that i'm going on a 1 night trip to Spain in a few weeks, ;) Someone did say they got a better rate over there.:P
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Bottom line is you can't expect 17-18% interest rates AND low inflation. That would just be unfair:D
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Dave - I'd like to have some of this 2.1% inflation. Which country is that - 'cause it sure ain't the UK!
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I don't think it is 2.1% inflation in the UK, there's some heads in the sand there but lets face it, you can only compare official rates. My local Italian pizza place has just added nearly a pound on to the price of a 9" pizza, blaming world wheat prices, a shortage of tomatoes and a reduction in the size of the mozzarella lake and my local just hiked the price of 1664 by 20p to £3 !!! On my BeeRPI thats way over official rates of inflation
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Consumer rights in Turkey - a lovely theory. My experience is that if you buy from the good guys - Eren Spot, Vestel, Beko, even Migros, if anything goes wrong within the guarantee period they put it right - most exceptionally in the case of Eren.
Buy from a small retailer, it is "Buyer beware". Not always but often.
I bought 2 bikes for the girls, not long after we moved here. Small shop on the "back road". Not exactly expensive but you do expect a certain level of quality (ok I don't anymore). "All one year guarantee" the owner told me. Imagine my disappointment when within a couple of months both bikes started to fall apart, same problems in both. I took them back to the shop and explained. The owner was amused. "Not this bike! THIS bike!" he said. "If you buy this bike, one year guarantee. You buy this bike, no guarantee".
So there we have it. What do you do? Let's go to court, spend the next five years hemorrhaging cash in the pursuit of a small amount. Principle is principle but I for one couldn't be a**sed. And they know it. I'd probably lose anyway.
Two bikes, taken to a motorbike repair shop made almost entirely from scrap wood, and sorted for some ridiculous fee, 9 lira or the like.
My advice is to stick to the more established guys. I would go as far as to say that if Eren Spot sold everything, I would buy everything from them.
You can always buy cheaper here. 5 hours of tough negotiating and you'll get it 50 kurus cheaper in the end. But it isn't all about what you pay.
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Totally agree with you there Scunner, with regards to Eren Spot.
They really do understand the benefits of customer loyalty.
Glen.
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Couldnt fault Eren Spot and Bekir is a very nice fella to deal with.
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buying chinese products will turn out to be the undoing of a lot of western economies. cheap products made in a country that doesn't reconise copywrite and is not democratic, that creates more pollution per product produced,will harm us all, that is why they are buying up influence in usa and euro zone, while there market closed to outside produce.UK government happy to export jobs for far east, better I say to build factories in eastern europe or turkey,build a modern universal rail link throughout euro zone and link it to future players. of subject slightly but wait and see the financial influence china has that will effect curentcy and inflation in next five years.
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so is Turkey getting expensive or not?
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Yes if you live there and not really if you just go on your hols there.
That's my opinion amnyway.
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Amnyway?
As pointed out earlier, community charge and mortgage payments can equate to up to 30% of income. Immediately shedding those two is money in the bank.
Sure, things are more expensive but that's inflation for you, it tends to make things more expensive.
Cars are expensive, fuel is expensive (both compared with the UK) but most other things are cheaper. Our water bill, far from being on par with the UK was 17 of your Turkish Lirasi's last time.
Eat lots of vegetables, fruit and use lokanta's rather than seafront restaurants (the food is way better anyway), don't drink imported spirits in bars, use the dolmus and what the hell else can you spend your money on.
So that's it, it's more expensive than it was, but if you forget the Ferrari, the harbour side meals out and the Johnny Walker, and enjoy the free sun and hospitality, there really isn't much to throw your money at.
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I agree. It's certainly more expensive than it was but you don't have to eat at the expensive restaurants; we don't very often and use the fantastic Locanta next to Migros quite often. If we want a drink, we wait till we get home. The fresh fruit and veg is absolutely fantastic; just what a farmers market should be instead of the inflated prices that our's seem to charge! Noticed that the dolmus prices have gone up at New Year though. Most things are still cheaper than here though (except the petrol which is very expensive!.
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Supermarkets - expensive wrt UK (apart from fruit and veg)
Cars - Ridiculously expensive (purchase, tax and petrol)
Electrical items - More expensive
Clothes - More expensive
Restaurants - About same as UK
Bars - Efes cheap, John Smiths and Guinness OMG
Weather and people - Priceless !!!!!!
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Isn't it the way of life you buy into here, not how cheap it is to live here. I did not come to Turkey to "make a profit", so, as long as I can afford it I will stay, if the cost is so much that I can no longer afford it, it will be back to blighty and live off the state and tax payers (of which I am still one, without the benefits) and send the wife out to work:D ;).
Baz 8)
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go on then
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Milk has gone up................maybe time to buy a cow?
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Originally posted by Linda1953
Milk has gone up................maybe time to buy a cow?
Already married :D:D
Only joking.... ;)
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:omaybe not for much longer:D
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:D:DGet more sense out of a cow.............but make sure its a good looking one! ;)
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And thats where the wellies come in handy and they are cheaper here in Turkey:D:D
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Yes of course it's getting more expensive. One day it will be the same as the U.K. In fact fo many things, it's more expensive than now.
Look at Spain 20 years ago. A veritable third world country. Look at it now ( and yes, I know there are poor parts of Spain but I live in the East End and there's poverty there you didn't think could exist in the U.K.)
You can't expect people in other countries to subsidise your life style for ever so make the most of the next five-ten-twenty years, and then, move to up and coming Afghanistan
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Originally posted by Colwyn
Current inflation levels (Consumer Price Index)
UK = 2.1% Turkey = 8.4%
So, overall, prices are going up four times faster in Turkey.
Where do you get 2.1%??? Cost of living here in UK is up 11.5% !!!!( daily expressMay1st)mortgages up 9.5; gas 18.5; electric 18.8 ; water , with our rain,3.7; home insurance 4.1 council tax 4.00....the only thing under 3% here is the poxy pay rises!!!!
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Originally posted by sonic008
Originally posted by Colwyn
Current inflation levels (Consumer Price Index)
UK = 2.1% Turkey = 8.4%
So, overall, prices are going up four times faster in Turkey.
Where do you get 2.1%??? Cost of living here in UK is up 11.5% !!!!( daily expressMay1st)mortgages up 9.5; gas 18.5; electric 18.8 ; water , with our rain,3.7; home insurance 4.1 council tax 4.00....the only thing under 3% here is the poxy pay rises!!!!
Perhaps because that Post was several months ago? ;)
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2.5% is the current (March) official UK rate on Consumer Prices but as sonic says the REAL rate is around 11.5%.
The problem with the UK is that the figures are distorted by the lower cost of electrical goods/clothes etc - food and fuel is much higher and these are the things we need to survive. I can't eat my TV or my clothes.
Stoop
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stoop on the case, the basics of life, food, electic, rates and income tax are all above governments twisted figures, not sure about 11.5% I would guess around 5-6%. the effect on idividuals depends on life style, borrowings etc. at least in Turkey bank rate keeps ahead of inflation rate unlike uk, local rates in turkey .1% costs us just over £120 a year in turkey while in uk £2200 a year, with councils now fining people for slightly overfilling a bins which only gets emptied ever other week.
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Hi all,
can anyone tell me the cost of fuel in Turkey at the moment please? ta very much:D
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Hy carlan anything around 3.20 to 3.48tl. BBC news site reported that Turkey is the most expensive place to buy petrol now! Not good news. So in the old money around £1.40 per litre
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Thanx mutlusandra, might have to consider a pushbike, anyone know where you can hire a tandem??:D
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I have a large basket on the rear of my bike, have been known to carry one of my poches, I havet got the stamminer yet to do people, work in progress I think!
just to add to info the tunnel has also shot up to 3tl each way (£1.21) more expensive than the dartford tunnel! Good news strawbs are still around 2tl per kilo (for now) :)
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Originally posted by sonic008
Where do you get 2.1%??? Cost of living here in UK is up 11.5% !!!!( daily expressMay1st)mortgages up 9.5; gas 18.5; electric 18.8 ; water , with our rain,3.7; home insurance 4.1 council tax 4.00....the only thing under 3% here is the poxy pay rises!!!!
I got the figure from the National Office of Statistics - the day I start getting "information" from the Daily Express I will submit myself for treatment. I used the Consumer Price Index because that is the international standard measure and is directly comparable with the Turkish measure. Of course I know that the Retail Price Index is higher but I have no idea what the RPI is for Turkey - in fact I rather suspect that they have no such measure. In the last month for which data are available (March 2008) UK CPI had risen to 2.5% and RPI was down at 3.8%. Average annual pay rises for the last month that data are available (Feb 2008) were at 3.7%.
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Colwyn,
If you blieve the data from the National Office of Statistics you should have been in and finished your treatment by now ;):D
Have read of this - and the figures are NOT the Mail's:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=560392in_page_id=1770&ct=5
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Hi Stoop
I clicked on the link and all I got was was the Daily Mail banner and a blank page. I think it is the only page I have ever read from the Mail that was not riddled with with lies, untruths and deceits!
OK, I looked up the Daily Mail archives and found what they call "The REAL rate of inflation" (that is not me shouting it is the Mail). I have to say that even by the standards of the Mail this is pretty damn silly. Their team of experts have discovered that if you take out the things that are going down in price then the remaining things have higher price increases. Wow! Who ever would have believed it! Of course this involves leaving out absurd luxuries - such as clothes. Not to worry you can always wear left over food. Britons throw out hundreds of thousands of tons of perfectly good food every year - despite the fact that it is becoming more expensive. We could make cabbage suits and potato skin shoes.
Sorry Stoop, I'm staying with that fine body of men and women at the National Office of Statistics who actually try to measure the prices of what a broad range of goods and services that people actually buy. And not concoct an utterly bogus list in order to make a political point. Anyway, I'm off to buy a plasma screen TV - apparently they are getting very cheap.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=560392in_page_id=1770&ct=5
Oh look, a flying pig, bacon must be going up. 8)
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Colwyn,
If you read the article you will see it is NOT the Mail who put the figures together but uswitch and moneysupermarket.com. They just used their figures to show what is really happening.
As for the items they excluded - electrical goods such as TV's and washing machines, plus clothes - yes we all need them BUT they are not essentials.
I shop every week and I see the price of everyday items going through the roof. Add the cost of fuel to that and we have a real problem. Then add in the rising cost of services such as water, electric and gas (all essentials) and you will see the NOS figures are a sham!
Never mind though - if you can afford a new TV or some clothes after all that at least they are cheap due to us buying most of them from China. Oh - and broadband is down in price:D
I'm off to barbecue my old clothes for tea and microwave the tv for afters ;)
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Interesting list Stoop.
but what exactly is a Kid Banana. Is it underage or messy, does it misbehave,
maybe its a baby big banana, or a big banana that never grew up, I notice the price hasn't gone up
But I suspect it will when it eventually matures. 8)
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Originally posted by stoop
Colwyn,
If you read the article you will see it is NOT the Mail who put the figures together but uswitch and moneysupermarket.com. They just used their figures to show what is really happening.
The Mail has commissioned these organizations to put together a list based on what the Mail wants included. If I commissioned them them to produce a list that left out mortgages (because I don't pay one) and left out motoring costs (because I generally use public transport) and left out newspapers (because I don't buy them - no surprise there) they would come back with an entirely different set of figures.
As for this being "what is really happening" that is just tosh. I do not spend all my income on food, energy, housing and tax. Nor do you. Nor do the vast majority of people that you and I know. There are huge numbers of people throwing their money about on useless things like buying national lottery tickets, watching football games (even some in Leeds I am told), phoning "Get my Celebrity Big Brother Out of Here", and buying the Daily Mail.
Nevertheless, the April UK CPI figures (from the ONS) have just been released and they have risen to 3.0% (annual). This is quite bad enough. But this thread is about Turkish prices. The April CPI for Turkey was 9.66% (annual) - but there is probably some populist newspaper saying that the real rate is 57.2%.
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OK - back on topic. Is Turkey getting expensive (because the UK has already got there)?
Oh - I nearly forgot - flights have gone up as well - some now have an extra £30 per person 'fuel supplement' - but never mind - flying is a luxury and we can all choose to stay at home and buy food and pay our essential bills instead.
:)
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small Jar of honey gone up in BIM - 2 years about around 3.50 ytl now 7.50 ytl (approx)
Why is honey so expensive?? And Olive oil here?? Is it the processing?
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The rent on hives has gone up substantially and the bees now have a flight surcharge. :)
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Originally posted by Linda1953
small Jar of honey gone up in BIM - 2 years about around 3.50 ytl now 7.50 ytl (approx)
Why is honey so expensive?? And Olive oil here?? Is it the processing?
There is a virus or something killing bees worldwide - hence a honey shortage.
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Glad I don't like honey. :)
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Glad I'm not a bee!
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Pleased i've not got hives !!
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Originally posted by Tykatem
Pleased i've not got hives !!
I had that once - painful :o
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Stoop, did it give you a buzzzzzzzz 8)
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No but I got stung buying the cream!
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Originally posted by stoop
No but I got stung buying the cream!
Oh honey I am sorry
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the prices maybe going up in the uk aswell as in turkey.but at least in turkey you can go out every night get drunk and fall over if you wish,in the uk you can only afford to go out once a week if ya lucky
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Turkish annual inflation rate (CPI) rose to 10.74% in May. It is reported (by NTVMSNBC) that TEDAS is to propose a 30% increase in electricity prices.
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is this on top of the hike in prices alredy.The bill was expensive this time?Loads of people complaining at tedas in Fethiye
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I understand that TEDAS will be making a proposal to the Energy Minister later this month. 30% is one prediction for this; GulfNews suggests 25%.
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Just paid the electric bill, the charge is 1.9 lira per unit (whatever) for domestic use. My bill is still through my builders name so I had to pay 2.30 lira which is the industrial cost. Ended up paying 140 lira extra (800 lira bill!!) So beware if still paying 'through' your builder!!:(
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Shysters are'nt they.
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Electric going up by 36% as from the 1st July
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those thinking they can return to 'blighty' and live off the state , even short term are sadly mistaken!!!
i know someone who lived in turkey for 5 yrs( less than some prisoners serve) and could claim Zilch,zero,Nish, Nothing for 12 months!!!!!
however, if you have never lived or worked in the UK, or spoken our language ever,or been in prison, then you are laughing, just say'asylum' and all is given to you. surely a good reason to boot communist, rediculous UK and it's laws into touch and stay where you are!!???
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Originally posted by davewalsh
Yes of course it's getting more expensive. One day it will be the same as the U.K. In fact fo many things, it's more expensive than now.
Look at Spain 20 years ago. A veritable third world country. Look at it now ( and yes, I know there are poor parts of Spain but I live in the East End and there's poverty there you didn't think could exist in the U.K.)
You can't expect people in other countries to subsidise your life style for ever so make the most of the next five-ten-twenty years, and then, move to up and coming Afghanistan
we in dull, stupid uk government, do just that!! subsidise everyone who want to come, free houses, allowances, medical,dentistry, and even a social allowance to meet their nerw neighbours down the pub, amounting, in some cases£30k+ for doing Fcuk all!!!
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Clothes - More expensive
Weather and people - Priceless !!!!!!
[/quote]Not if you by from Calis almost new car boot, Heidi's lira or swop parties, Chitlembik in Fethiye, Garaj when sale on, FIG or fab shop on front in summer
Got new wardrobe last year for about 100 lira - beat that ! 8)
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We have been living in the Fethiye area just under a year and have seen prices soar here and it just cannot be subtainable for lots of brits living here soon with losing the interest on savings, you can quote all inflation figures but just do basic price compares, fuel in cheaper in the UK as is most food, especially meat, with the exception of veg, fruit and bread. Last week we were in the UK and clothes are cheaper there, just take a trip to Matalan or Asda (mostly made in Turkey). Wine and beer purchased in supermarkets,car tax, insurance about the same, not sure about electric, gas etc. So take that all into account, UK has better roads, lighting, can legally work if need to have some kind of income. Therefore what was so attractive about living in Turkey is fast dwiddling and I am sure if prices continue on this route in Turkey, more people will be pressured to returning to the UK which will be a shame because of the weather, people and wonderful views.
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Very good first post Garry.
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Exactly right Gary.....just returned from doing our weekly shop and finding we are spending more and more each week fpr the same items. The only good thing about this is that if inflation continues to soar, the bank interest rates will probably rise.
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Originally posted by Weller Fella
So take that all into account UK has better roads, lighting, can legally work if need to
My workmate hit a pothole in his car Weds and asked his mechanic to check it over - He needs a new steering rack- cost about £300 and there have been many cases of people working in the UK - ILLEGALLY : :)
Plenty of doom and gloom,for a first post, surely things even themselves out.Prices do fluctuate in every country.Clothes etc are reasonable here at the moment but there is a recession on,it's a pity our household / utility bills dont go down.
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Clothes have been really cheap in this country for a few years now and lots of food stuff is cheaper than it was years ago. I used to go abroad and bring back goods and booze as they were always cheaper than in th UK but not for years now.....Asda, Dunnes etc are always cheaper than abroad these days.
Its very interesting to hear how people are noticing the quick change taking
:Dplace in Turkey.
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Turkey is also in a recession with an unemployment rate much higher than the UK and that has not forced prices down. If fact it seems to have the opposite effect and prices have risen faster than the rate of inflation.
The biggest problem for Turkey is the black economy. Any work I have done on my house it is always cash in hand. In the restaurants you have the ticket on the table in case a tax inspector might call. That is not the bill that goes through the till at the end of the day. In Europe the tax structure is strictly enforced and the black economy is now being contained and made more difficult to operate within. To increase revenue the Turkish government piles taxes on those goods that it is easy to collect taxes from. Fags, Booze and fuel being the easiest targets.
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all might have something to do with the terrible state the pound is in as well
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Ovacikpeedoff has hit the nail on the head.unless the tax system is sorted out commodities and fixed srevices will always be heavily taxed.
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The tax system does need sorting out for sure. There are many things which are taxed very highly, for example, if you rent business premises, the renter is taxed on what they pay, plus the landlord is also taxed, meaning the government are collecting twice.
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There are also a vast number of people working, from part time bar staff to company directors who pay no personal income tax at all. Here is a catch 22 of the work regulations for foreigners. If you aren't legally allowed to employ them, you certainly can't tax what you pay them :)
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Some things may dearer in turkey but do you brits that live there pay council tax of £1800 per and have to live on pensions.
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The question is Katy, Is Turkey getting expensive ?Not rip off council tax in Uk
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Hi all,
Just read the thread right through. It's funny. Were still saying exactly the same things as we did two years ago.
I think we should change the topic title to: Is Turkey becoming to expensive.
Yes some things in UK are cheaper and some things in Turkey are cheaper.
But lets face it, to live full time in UK is expensive. It is getting more expensive to live in Turkey.
But ask me where I want to live, and thats Turkey.
I don't need a car, I don't have a mortgauge and I have found I don't even need as many cloths here.
The only thing we have splashed out on is a small ice maker. And that paid back after 18 months.
So, our house is in Turkey and until I cannot afford to live here, thats where it stays.
After, ???
Steve
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Hope you are paying tax on the ice you are selling.:D:D
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Jackstee / Steve i agree with what you have stated 100%( simpill's ) Bruce
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Tks Scot.
My wife does as well.
She's a Dunfirmlin lass.
The Ice machine is actually great.
Turn it on for 20 mns and you have about a kilo of Ice
Rgds
Steve
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Kilo of ice !
That's an awful lot of G +T's. :D