Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Koca Calis & Ciftlik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: terrie on February 15, 2012, 16:16:32 PM
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been to ciftlik planning office today, to submit some plans.
while i was there i enquired about the new boat yard that was in the news .
Many stages of planning/approvals to go ,but they think they will get the full approval in a year
For anyone that knows the area....they will make the canal that comes from carreta beach,much larger,for boat access
they are looking into either a lock system,or even a rail system,to get the boats in
the land that the boat yard will cover will be.....from the track road that runs towards tellessomos,behind the hill.extending to the rear of tellessomoss(there are three shalet bungalows there,which will be demolished)
round to the cicek bridge,across the canal to the pension,and across to the spanish looking villa on the other hill
a vast area
not sure wheather a good thing for the area or not?at least flooding will be a thing of the past
simon
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sounds great, just hope it will be done right.
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Thought the boat yard was going to be built at Yaniklar??
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If it sorts the flooding out I will run naked round Saglik :)
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was going to be yaniklar,but alot of opposition,and alot of land is protected
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I look forward to it being completed. Looks like it will take a few years though.
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So much though then for the Caretta turtles breeding grounds. Typical Turkish attitude towards Nature VS development for monetary gain.
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farmer,this is why they are going to build it inland,and not on the beach
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So let me get this straight the canal beside the quarry will be used, what happens to quarry? hope they build villas with direct harbour access
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I think you may have the wrong idea c1, it will be a canal with lift in/out facilities, not a marina, more of a hard standing to build/repair boats on, if any thing like the present one, there will not even be a concrete surface to put the boats on.
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A marina sounds better Baz ;-)
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will be out in couple of week and will check out on one of my walk abouts
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Here it is : thanks to Woody, Terrie and Simon :)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/stoopo/abbba54c.jpg)
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Wonderful map, thanks 8)
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Yes it is Ken. Also the boat yard looks like it might alleviate some of the flooding problems in Koca :)
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I'm a bit puzzled Stu. Elevate or alleviate [?] I've never been any further than Birlik and that was in darkness. Must jump on my bike and go for a proper nosey ;)
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iPad spell checker :( eleviate!
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Take your camera and keep us once a year trippers in touch ;-)
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quote:
Originally posted by stoop
iPad spell checker :( eleviate!
Guess that must be the Yankee spelling. Concise Oxford Dictionary, alleviate = diminish, make less burdensome 8)
We're not over til May but i'll have a bike ride armed with camera 8)
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Nothing happening with the boat yard area at all yet-still rural land & probably won't be changed for another 12 months until all land permissions etc have been finalised. May help with some of the flooding but the large lake area to the immediate right & forwards of the proposed dock area (as seen on the map)needs to be sorted before it is cured completely!
If anything starts to happen will put some photos on here
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I expect it will take some time to get permissions through etc but at least it's some light at the end of what has been a very long tunnel. Surely it must be good for the Koca Calis area in general and if the water area is as large as it looks on the map it will probably help with the flooding problems as the canal will run into it.
Here's hoping it gets passed and they start to build it next year.
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At present there are two water courses going into the sea at the same point; the picture shows only one. Are they combining the two streams ? Does anyone know how they are planning to bridge the stream ? At present there are two flat bridges which prevent any entry from the sea.
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All in planning stage but I guess any bridge will have to be high or an opening/swing type bridge. Shouldn't pose too many problems.
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Crikey if that maps to scale stoop it's massive, the widening of the canal and the hard standing either side looks massive what provison has been made for roads etc. anyone know when this development is going ahead.thanks for all the info guys.
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It does look massive. I hope it is to scale but I have no idea. Hopefully the hard standing will act as a flood overflow as well. We can hope.
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had a good look around last week I can see no action taking place and can't see how they intend to widen the small stream to allow the launching etc of the mega sized gullets without taking away large chunk of the small beach area and dredgeing much deeper chanel.
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It's a shame if parts of that beach have to go but I guess they call it progress! The channel/canal will have to be widened substantially and also deepened I guess - otherwise they won't get the big boats up.
Our worry is what will happen with regards to the flooding. Will it make it better or worse? Obviously a bigger/deeper canal will take some of the excess water but what will happen when the tide is high?
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after they closed the beach front road couple of years ago to install drainage pipes and ditch now reopened it to my mind has failed in it's main purpose in life ie drain the swamp / prevent floods to my mind what it needs is a positive pumping out 365 24/7 they could use smallish wind turbines to pump out, go the whole hog and level the area as it seems to me all the improvements ie dumping lorry loads of rocks here and there will only raise the water table which will adversely effect all property below that level.
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Good points c1 - we've been advocating a pumping station for a few years but nobody at the council has bothered to reply to emails or do anything. As for the dumping - it has to stop really otherwise the work done will be in vain.
I like the wind turbine option.
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I would say the boatyard hard standings will make matters worse, as the rain that falls on them will run off into already inadequate canals at a faster rate than if it falls into the marsh area. A pumping station is really the only solution, because of the land/sea levels do not allow a fast enough run off when we have the heavy rains.
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Good points Baz but I think they intend to make the canal much deeper and wider so it should hold a lot more water. I can only imagine how massive the water area is going to be if the map is anywhere near to scale.
Only time will tell but either way I think a pumping station is required and some sort of flood barrier on the deeper canal to stop the high tides from flooding the land.
I doubt we will get either!
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So they could try digging a bigger hole to bury the water in then Stoop:D:D ;)
It's the difference in levels from the complexes to the sea that means the water cannot escape quick enough. The new channel across the beach didn't do any thing to change the flooding. All the new boat yard will do is bring the sea closer.
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OK - maybe deeper won't make any difference but surely making a canal twice as wide will allow it to hold twice the water and make a difference. Or are you saying if they filled in the existing one it wouldn't make any difference to the distribution f the water?
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I think the land ( swamp) is so close in level to sea level that unless they pump out and/or have lock gates on the chanel (in our dreams) like frasier said "we are all doomed". the dutch are world experts on this sort of problem and they build dams and canals, we may end up with the authorities not giving a dam instead.
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Lock gates are a must if anything is going to improve. Most of the bad flooding at Saglik is caused when the canal overflows after really bad weather (I guess it's water coming down from the higher ground/mountains which is just too much for the canal to hold) If there is a much wider canal further down stream and some sort of flood area (like they have in Holland)then it could help. I'm not sure but I think the area on the map where they are going to build the boat yard does not flood that bad at the moment. It's certainly a much drier area than the bits that flood bad in the winter. So maybe they intend to use that area to take more of the flood water. I guess we won't know until we see the final result.
One of the other things with Saglik was that before the apartments were built at the back of our place we pumped the water into a lake that they filled in and built on. It did the trick almost every year (unless the pump packed in). That apartment block, being built on raised land (which has sunk a lot in all honesty), now acts as a dam wall AND they made it much worse by filling in the lake and displacing the water.
You never know - they might have employed a Dutch master engineer to oversee the project - something tell me his name will be Mehmet though and he's probably a taxi driver in his real job ( no offence to any Mehmet's or taxi drivers - or taxi drivers called Mehmet - anywhere intended)
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I have been talking to some of the boatbuilders at Karagozler and they say that only the members of the cooperative will be moving to Koca Calis. I don't know how many of the builders that is, but certainly not all of them. They also told me that the date that they have been given to vacate their present location is 2014. The area at Karagozler will be cleaned up and is earmarked for tourism.
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Just returned from ciftlik after 2months the service road to the boat yard is now completed and tarmaced the boat show rooms now have some lovely boats on display including a couple of small crusiers.On that new road there is a tyre repair place so if anyone needs bike,scooter,services or punchers done then its quite handy for us locals.
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Cheers for that info!
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I have been talking to some of the boatbuilders at Karagozler and they say that only the members of the cooperative will be moving to Koca Calis. I don't know how many of the builders that is, but certainly not all of them. They also told me that the date that they have been given to vacate their present location is 2014. The area at Karagozler will be cleaned up and is earmarked for tourism.
Welcome back John. Newbie indeed!!!
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the old boat yard had an old worlde charm to it
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Here it is : thanks to Woody, Terrie and Simon :)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/stoopo/abbba54c.jpg)
If you look at the image on this link you will see what land the boatyard will use. Basically from just below D400 on the road (centre) all the way down to the 3 villas below Cicek! Not sure they will be happy - or the owners of Osko Villa Pension - half way up on the right.
(http://s14.postimage.org/44hgiycct/photo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/44hgiycct/)