Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: ovacik2 on October 21, 2015, 10:00:02 AM
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Being a half timer for the past 13 years the last two years online visa we have had problems and fines!
We ask can anyone help??
We want to continue half time...
May until end of July,
out of country three weeks or so August
then back in Turkey Last part August until End of October...
Due to the 140 day rule residency isn't an option...
Any suggestions would be welcome. Thank you...
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Any suggestions would be welcome. Thank you...
Yeah, buy a place in Spain... or another EU country.
Under current legislation you're stuffed. You fall foul of the ninety out of one hundred and eighty day rule by a considerable margin and if the residence rules are strictly applied, again you run the risk of it being cancelled (it's actually 120 days out of country before being cancelled).
That said, technically you don't have to apply for a twelve month RP - so you could arrive in May on an eVisa, apply for a six months RP then toddle off to where you came from at the end of October and do the same the following year. I don't know anyone who has applied for less then the twelve months, maybe someone on here knows more.
JF
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Yeah, buy a place in Spain... or another EU country.
Under current legislation you're stuffed. You fall foul of the ninety out of one hundred and eighty day rule by a considerable margin and if the residence rules are strictly applied, again you run the risk of it being cancelled (it's actually 120 days out of country before being cancelled).
That said, technically you don't have to apply for a twelve month RP - so you could arrive in May on an eVisa, apply for a six months RP then toddle off to where you came from at the end of October and do the same the following year. I don't know anyone who has applied for less then the twelve months, maybe someone on here knows more.
JF
[/quote] Yes! All so easy!
The only way we can think is to visit Turkey for a weekend 15th Feb to activate the 180 day visa use the 90 day from May to August. End of 180 days then buy a new visa........ All so easy... Do i need this??
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Nope. Doesn't work that way.
The ninety days is worked out on a rolling basis therefore at some point towards the end of July you'd become an overstayer.
JF
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Nope. Doesn't work that way.
The ninety days is worked out on a rolling basis therefore at some point towards the end of July you'd become an overstayer.
JF
Yes! we realise that! We are flexible and would stay up to the 90 days which would include the Feb days.... The days being counted backwards on leaving Turkey. It would at least give the 2x90 days hopefully.. your help and comments are appreciated JF.. Thank you!
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You could do that - however if you stayed for May, June and the balance (of days out the ninety) in July, it'd mean you couldn't return to Turkey using an eVisa until late October or November(ish). If you want to use the two blocks of ninety days in (almost) one go then you need to leave the country for ninety one (minus the days in Feb) days before you can re-enter on a fresh 90/180 eVisa.
The activation date of the eVisa becomes irrelevant when calculating the total days allowed.
JF
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If we activate the visa in February then use the 90 days including Feb befor the end of that 180 days, the 180 day visa will end August anyway. we will be back in the UK a few weeks as normal and would be entitled to buy a new e visa for the remaining time until October. Or are we wrong???
Completely wrong. You would not be entitled to buy a fresh visa as you would have used up your ninety days. Go mark it out on a calender and count them up - as of 1st October your 180 days includes the time spent in May, June and July.
JF
Not sure what happened there - I think I "edited" your post, rather than replying to it! You can see why no-one really trusts me with technology :)
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If we activate the visa in February then use the 90 days including Feb befor the end of that 180 days, the 180 day visa will end August anyway. we will be back in the UK a few weeks as normal and would be entitled to buy a new e visa for the remaining time until October. Or are we wrong???
Completely wrong. You would not be entitled to buy a fresh visa as you would have used up your ninety days. Go mark it out on a calender and count them up - as of 1st October your 180 days includes the time spent in May, June and July.
JF
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If we activate the visa in February then use the 90 days including Feb befor the end of that 180 days, the 180 day visa will end August anyway. we will be back in the UK a few weeks as normal and would be entitled to buy a new e visa for the remaining time until October. Or are we wrong???
You are assuming that a new visa will "refresh" your entitlement to ninety days. It doesn't; the only thing that will matter is the 90/180 rule. Suppose you use up 85 days in May, June and July and then come back and use 60 days in September and October. When you leave Turkey towards the end of October Turkish border control are only interested in how many days you have been in Turkey in the previous 180 days - not in how many visas you have had. In your case the total days would be 145 and you would be thrown in gaol for life fined or maybe more {since you have "previous"}.
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The day you leave Turkey....count back 180 days... You can not have been in the country for more than 90 days.... When you return ...the day you leave Turkey...count back 180 days.... Again you can not have been in the country for more than 90 days....it's Easy!!!! The E Visa is just another way to get your Tenner....every time you enter the country!! Check valid date....
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Ok! So you are all saying you are only allowed one 90 day visit per year. Not one up to 90 day visit per 180 days...
Is that correct please...
Thanks all.
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Yeah, thats right...
JF
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Thanks to all again... Still smiling here... :) :)
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Ok! So you are all saying you are only allowed one 90 day visit per year. Not one up to 90 day visit per 180 days...
Is that correct please...
Thanks all.
You can have any number of visits in 180 days as long as they don't add up to more than 90 days. But if you intend to stick to your preferred dates you can't fit more than 90 days in the 180 day period between May and October. From other forums the consensus is that the only way around this is juggling between tourist visas and short-term residency - as JohnF suggested in his first reply. I know people who manage to stay 6 months on, 6 months off, and I assume they use this method.
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No...you can do ....6 weeks Jan-Feb... 6 weeks May- June.... 6 weeks Sept- Oct.... Work it out!! It works...
90 days in 180....
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Ok! Yes! Confusing. Even for the Border control police who were helpful but not sure of anything, London Turk Consul don't want to know, nor do the London Turk Embassy, e visa contact advise say ask your local Turk Ministry?? UK visa advise won't answer questions about visas.
Ovacik has been our HOME for the past 13 years 6 months each TR and UK. 3 months (90) days each visit only 2 visits per year.
gillian handbury 3x6 weeks is only 90 days. Thank you anyway.
JF we will pursue the short term residency when we find out who to ask...
Again Big Thanks.
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Would love to hear from anyone who has a 6 month Residency visa. Those who are staying 6 months in TR each year..
Thank you
PM if its best...
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gillian handbury 3x6 weeks is only 90 days. Thank you anyway.
On my calculator 6 weeks x 7 days x 3 visits = 126 days. But you don't want some of those days anyway.
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Someone has just posted on fb tonight he overstayed by 45 dsys got a 2000 tl fine and a 5 year ban!
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Go and ask Yakup. Best advice I think and face to face, so you can ask him any questions. 90 days in 180 is the rule.
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Someone has just posted on fb tonight he overstayed by 45 dsys got a 2000 tl fine and a 5 year ban!
From sixteen to ninety day overstays the maximum ban is three months.
JF
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Oh something not right there then he defo said 5 year ban!
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I find this website very helpful:
http://gibba.co.uk/index.php
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Just to make it very clear as to what we are are aiming for:_
Past thirteen years we have lived half our life in Ovacik with two visits of up to 90 days.
Start Apri /May first visit UP to 90 days.
Three weeks in UK.
Start August Second visit up to 90 days.
Now we are lookig for a way to continue
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Now we are lookig for a way to continue
To be frank, if you haven't worked out what your options are after three pages of (mostly) helpful and (mostly) accurate advice then I'm not sure what you are asking for.
JF
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Ovacik 2, we did exactly the same as you......up until the visa rules changed to 90 in 180 days. Now we only stay 44 days between May and June and then 45 days September/October. No way round it unless you can get the 6 months residency which we haven't looked into
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This year I came to Turkey on a e-visa, then got a 4 month residence permit when my 90 days on e-visa was nearly up
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Hello,
90 days rule has an exception in new Residence Law. When you come to Turkish borders to enter and have the 90 day problem. You need to fill in a form declaring that you will apply for residency in 10 days. They will let you enter and you need to prepare the file and go to Residence office in 10 days. You can apply for residency between 1 month to one year.
As you know before you needed to go back and stay outside Turkiye for 90 days. Now you dont need :-)
Residency office Fethiye Branch will be serving to you before new year. You will not need to go to Muğla.
Inspector (elite+style consultancy Calış)
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Hello,
90 days rule has an exception in new Residence Law. When you come to Turkish borders to enter and have the 90 day problem. You need to fill in a form declaring that you will apply for residency in 10 days. They will let you enter and you need to prepare the file and go to Residence office in 10 days. You can apply for residency between 1 month to one year.
As you know before you needed to go back and stay outside Turkiye for 90 days. Now you dont need :-)
Residency office Fethiye Branch will be serving to you before new year. You will not need to go to Muğla.
Inspector (elite+style consultancy Calış)
Sir,
Thank you very much indeed for you information, this makes sense and We are sure you will have enlightened lots of families like us including all who kindly contibuted this thread.
I ask one question:- Do we still need to have an evisa or only fill in the form on arrival declaring our intention to aplly for residency permit.
A very sincere "Thank you"
Alan and Pauline
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[/quote]This year I came to Turkey on a e-visa, then got a 4 month residence permit when my 90 days on e-visa was nearly up
Thank you for your post it seems there is a way... Great encouragement..
Alan and Pauline
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Ovacik 2, we did exactly the same as you......up until the visa rules changed to 90 in 180 days. Now we only stay 44 days between May and June and then 45 days September/October. No way round it unless you can get the 6 months residency which we haven't looked into
So there is a way for us Half timers. Hope its helpful to you too... Good luck...
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Hello,
90 days rule has an exception in new Residence Law. When you come to Turkish borders to enter and have the 90 day problem. You need to fill in a form declaring that you will apply for residency in 10 days. They will let you enter and you need to prepare the file and go to Residence office in 10 days. You can apply for residency between 1 month to one year.
As you know before you needed to go back and stay outside Turkiye for 90 days. Now you dont need :-)
Residency office Fethiye Branch will be serving to you before new year. You will not need to go to Muğla.
Inspector (elite+style consultancy Calış)
Sir,
Thank you very much indeed for you information, this makes sense and We are sure you will have enlightened lots of families like us including all who kindly contibuted this thread.
I ask one question:- Do we still need to have an evisa or only fill in the form on arrival declaring our intention to aplly for residency permit.
A very sincere "Thank you"
Alan and Pauline
You are welcome.
Yes Alan And Pauline,
You need e-visa :-(
Regards.
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Thank you, it's good to know there is an alternative
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This is good to know would we need to have the health insurance does anyone know if we had w residency permit for say four months?
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This is good to know would we need to have the health insurance does anyone know if we had w residency permit for say four months?
Hello Karennina,
Sorry to inform you that you need health insurance to apply for residency permit ( even for one month)
:-(
Inspector (elite+style consultancy Calış)
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You could get two passports and two 90/180 visas then you would be able to be there 180/180 days. Or 178/180 to allow you to leave and return. And just do that forever. Or maybe not. I haven't given this much thought but can't see why not :)
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You could get two passports and two 90/180 visas then you would be able to be there 180/180 days. Or 178/180 to allow you to leave and return. And just do that forever. Or maybe not. I haven't given this much thought but can't see why not :)
Hello Scunner,
What a good idea.
It's possible to be done exactly as you explained 20 years ago.
Now European police has a lost passport and ID network system.
No body can have more than one passports.
If you lost your passport and get a new one, Old one will alarm on the EU and Turkish borders as LOST PASSPORT.
We must work harder to solve 90/180 problem :-)
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So Scunner can stay in Turkey for 360 days in a row! Unfortunately he would be staying in one of its prisons.
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You could get two passports and two 90/180 visas then you would be able to be there 180/180 days. Or 178/180 to allow you to leave and return. And just do that forever. Or maybe not. I haven't given this much thought but can't see why not :)
Watching far to many Jams Bond films weeee thinks.... :) :)
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You could get two passports and two 90/180 visas then you would be able to be there 180/180 days. Or 178/180 to allow you to leave and return. And just do that forever. Or maybe not. I haven't given this much thought but can't see why not :)
Hello Scunner,
What a good idea.
It's possible to be done exactly as you explained 20 years ago.
Now European police has a lost passport and ID network system.
No body can have more than one passports.
If you lost your passport and get a new one, Old one will alarm on the EU and Turkish borders as LOST PASSPORT.
We must work harder to solve 90/180 problem :-)
So Scunner can stay in Turkey for 360 days in a row! Unfortunately he would be staying in one of its prisons.
You could get two passports and two 90/180 visas then you would be able to be there 180/180 days. Or 178/180 to allow you to leave and return. And just do that forever. Or maybe not. I haven't given this much thought but can't see why not :)
Watching far to many Jams Bond films weeee thinks.... :) :)
He's really reeled you lot in... :)
As long as you are eligible, it can be done - truth be told I'd forgotten about this. Several folks on here are eligible to do it.
I wont tell all right now, maybe you want to have a think about it and see if anyone gets it right.
JF
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Since Scunner claims to be half Scottish, half English and half Irish he could probably stay in Turkey for 450 days on 90/180 visa (when Scotland leaves UK)..
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I have cracked it already. I have full UK passport and full Irish passport :)
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As tor the Authers of this thred ...
They now have had the answer to the original queston, Thanks to the Inspector and others, Thank you all. Always enjoy the banter associated with most posts... :) :) Then this ia the Calis Forum we would expect nothing less. A big and sincere "Thank you" to The Calis Forum....
We look forward to our 2016 visa adventure. Heyy! just to hedge our bets flights booked to Bangkok for the first five weeks, Qatar worlds best Airline 2015 £379 Rerurn. Thanks to Daughter and Hubby living/working there for past 12 years freeish accommodation Bankgkok and Hua Hin... :)
Peace Health and Happiness to all.....
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This is good to know would we need to have the health insurance does anyone know if we had w residency permit for say four months?
Just a quick update
I had to buy a full 12 mths health insurance but I only needed a 4 month residence permit, permit came through no problem, left Turkey in November and returned to the UK.
I emailed insurance company to say that my residency had run out, and was given a refund of the remaining 8 mths the same day
Hope that makes sense