Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: suehugh on January 01, 2014, 10:37:14 AM
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On leaving Turkey on 29/12., the passport guy tried to say we had overstayed our visa from 5/7. We pointed out it ran out on the 31/1 (180 days)
As per the days calculator featured on CBF.
He accepted our argument, but pointed out, we could not return for another 180 days. We know this, but we are aware a lot of people still don't understand this amongst the visitors we met in Turkey.
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Why do you think you cant return for another 180 days?
Surely you buy your next visa in Feb?
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Could I also have clarification on this please, I understand it to be when the current visa you have runs out you can then purchase a new one at the start of your next trip? 180 days to be not be allowed back in is nearly 6 months!
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Why do you think you cant return for another 180 days?
Surely you buy your next visa in Feb?
This is my understanding from this website and others. 90 days stay in 180 days, then wait another 180 days
I WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG AND SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES
Hugh
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So its actually 90 in 360 not 90 in 180?
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Our 90/180s ran out the day before we arrived in October. I didn't fancy waiting another 180 days and didn't have to. We just got new ones.
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Thanks for that Scunner thought I was going mad ( madder)
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I am happy to be totally wrong in this case.
To clarify
The next 180 day period can start immediately after the previous one
Thanks for that.
Guess I will have to put the passport control man right next time.
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It is astounding how many passport control staff don't understand the visa system. With the new online visa you could go for the last 90 days of the 180 , go to Rhodes for the day and return and use up the first 90 days of the second visa - meaning you can be in Turkey for 180 days in a row with a quick hop over to Rhodes or Meis in the middle.
What they'd make of that is not worth wondering.
There is simply no situation, however you take the 90 days within the 180 on the visa, where upon expiry you cannot return for 180 days. The maximum would be if you used the first 90 days of the 180, then left - and then you couldn't return to Turkey for the next 90 days.
But even then I reckon you could :D
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I thought it was 90 days out of the preceding 180 days?
JF
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It depends which kiosk you go to ;)
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Here is an example of what I mean, using the generally accepted as gospel visa calculator at Bodrum Bulletin: (http://www.bodrumbulletin.com/community/calculators/turkish-tourist-visa-calculator)
(http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/visadates.jpg)
So, in this completely made up example I get my visa during/for an overnight stay in Istanbul. Then, on the same visa I visit Calis for almost the entire last 3 months of the 6 months (180 days). I couldn't get it to do next day but anyway - a couple of days later I want to stay for another 3 months, and a new visa can be obtained for this.
So, if it was 90 in the preceeding 180 days, by my final leaving date of 19th September, I have stayed in Turkey for 169 days in the last 6 months. But no problem getting visas :)
It would only mean I couldn't get a new visa or visit again till December.
You can understand the confusion :D
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Right, think I have it.
In two lots of 180 days, you can stay 180 days, with two visas.
No gaps necessary between renewing visas.
Thanks, we thought we were unable to visit again until July.
Apologies to those people I doubted.
Hugh
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http://www.yellali.com/news/article/33/90-180-day-tourist-visa-for-turkey-new-rules-explained#.UpmYAiJ8Org.facebook
So what about this article where it says you must count backwards from your departure date?
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Well that isn't what it says on the Turkish (or British) consulate websites as far as I know. For example https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey/entry-requirements
I'm not saying I understand it, I'm purely trying to show what a shambles it is. For the record I do not understand the 90/180 visa rules fully, and neither do many of those at Passport control at Dalaman. Even if the yellali information is correct, and what the passport control staff are working to, there is no situation where it was correct to tell suehugh that they can't return for 180 days. Even using the 180 days preceding departure, a 90 day stay would fall off 90 days after departure date, not 180 days after.
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http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/residency_turkey_visas_work_permit_questions/90180_day_visa_further_twist_53021.0.html
When i read this post i thought i had got my head round it and used the "departure date" to work it out but now i am not so sure.
I have read your link keith but how can we be sure which way the passport police will interpretate this and afterall you cant argue with these people.
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You can't, it depends the way the wind is blowing on the day. Totally shambolic!!
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Agee agree agree it is totally shambolick and it is b""""y ridiculous that passport control in Turkey don't seem to know what they are doing/saying to people, I think I have my head around it all now with everyone's help on here and hubby's little chart he made me, hell I am taking my chances this year with it all (of course I shall work it out to my understanding before booking my trips)and hopefully will be ok, if not then goodness knows! 8)
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I wonder if the new e-visa has a loophole in it.
Apply for it online now to start tomorrow.Spend 90 days in turkey roughly ending in june.nip home for a week then come back in july and spend another 90 days.
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But would you not get caught going out on your second 90 days as you are leaving Turkey when they count backwards from your departure date and you are 83 days over ???
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Wouldn't you get caught out anyway because the first visa wasn't expired yet?
So many questions...
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Hope this link works. If it does, it shows the new eVisa. It shows a valid from and valid to date along with duration but makes no reference to Shengen rules. For anybody coming on holiday for a few weeks several times a year there is no problem but how do others who come for longer periods but do not stay here on a permanent basis go on?
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2hhd5pu&s=5#.Usmi5NJdWyE
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That's if they do the counting backwards Ian.
Do you have to travel on the start date of the e-visa?
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I don't think you do - I believe you can travel when you choose - but recent articles have said they will count your dates on exit and I read that as if you have had say 80 days at the end of your first 180 day visa - then 90 at the front of your second 180 day visa then when you leave the country they will count back and say you have been here 170 days in the past 180 days?
See:
http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/component/content/article/67-residency-and-visas/319528-obtaining-a-visa-to-enter-turkey-as-a-visitor?directory=53
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This is a reply I got today from:
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY
Unfortunately, an applicant who stays 90 days continuously within last 180 days in Turkey can not enter Turkey by using a fresh e-Visa valid for 180 days (6 months) starting from the date when he/she leaves Turkey.
Best wishes,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Turkey
Your question:
if I get my visa from the 1-3-14 to 27-8-14 and stay my 90 days can I return on another visa that starts 1-9-14 and stay another 90 days.
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Thought I had "got my head round this".
Could be totally wrong but I think the relevant part in the reply is the last part of the first sentence which states "an applicant can not enter Turkey by using a fresh e-visa valid for 180 days (6 months) starting from the date he/she leaves Turkey".
If you stayed 90 days from the 1 March 2014 you would leave on 19 May 2014. If you then came back in on a new Visa on 1 September 2014 and stayed 90 days until 29 November 2014, on your date of departure they would count back 180 days which would take you back to Tuesday 3 June 2014 so you would only have been in Turkey for 90 days out of the last 194 days.
Wouldn't like to be the first one to try it! Surely the Turkish Government should publish how they are calculating the time spent in Turkey. It was only because of something I read on the changes to Shengen Visas in Switzerland that I was even aware of the new ruling.
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My view agrees with Marggie, and simply put as long as you have a valid visa(s) the start date is not important, the key issue is on the day you leave turkey, you cannot exceed a total of 90 days of the last 180 days on Turkish soil, whether that is a single or multiple visits during the 180 days.
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Why oh why do they want to make things difficult for people who want to be in Turkey more or less when they want to be without applying for residency...I know there have to be rules but at the end of the day surely they want people who own properties out there spending money in their country, unless of course they have worked out by doing the counting back thing they are hoping to be able to make money out of fining people at departures... The old way round hubby and I bought far more visas and it cost us more but at least we knew where we were on arriving and departing, this is not going to make for a relaxing holiday for worry warts like me fretting over whether I am going to be banged up abroad, ok bit extreme!! getting slapped with a fine and a possible ban on entering for sometime, particularly as I am often travelling on my own... They just seem to be cutting of their noses yet again and I for one just do not understand why >:(