Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: saoirse on February 21, 2014, 22:05:12 PM
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I know we are all still just chewing the fat until we have definitive info re the new RPs but heres a conundrum based on what we know so far that I just cannot get my head round.
A new Short Term RP is to be introduced VALID FOR STAY ONLY UP TO 12 MONTHS
However the same legislation states that the Short Term RP MAY BE CANCELLED SHOULD YOU BE OUT OF TURKEY FOR MORE THAN 4 months!!!
For the life of me I cannot see how those two statements are compatible. If you were to take a new Short Term RP for any less than 8 months then obviously you would be out of Turkey for more than 4 months!!!!!
Interesting/ confusing times ahead this April
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Because it is a Residency Permıt for Resıdents not a Visitors Visa. When you obtain one you are statıng you are goıng to lıve here for a year . If you leave the country for 4 months you are not a Resident so ıts canx. Visitors can stay for 3 months on a Visa then must leave.
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Theres no mention anywhere of it being compulsory to take a minimum of a year- indeed quite the opposite, it says UP TO 12 MONTHS.
On introducing the new measure the authorities also stressed it would specifically be helpful for those with holiday homes who take longer vacations, so again NOT aimed at f/t residents.
UP TO. 12 months surely would imply 5,6,7 months
A possible explanation-You can take a Short Term RP for 5, 6,7,8 months etc BUT if for example you took it for 11 but went home after a month, come 4 months of absence from Turkey it would be cancelled requiring you to apply over again.
In other words apply just for what you need be it 4, 5,6,7 ..up to 12 months.
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You would think so but it would appear to be purely thought out as usual. Similar to SSK and the 90)180 day Visa. It is just over one month until it comes into force and people who have been in touch with the Embassy in the UK report that the Embassy does not know anything about the new first time Residence Permit having to be obtained in our own country.
We took out Residency to get round the 90/180 day Visa but reading the new rules on Residency it would appear that if we leave the country for 120 days our Permit MAY be cancelled . This leaves people "hanging in the air" not knowing what will happen with their Permit. We come to the UK for approximately two months in the winter, two months in the summer and a couple of weeks in November. This means we will have exceeded 120 days out of Turkey. Will they cancel our Residency?
When we read about the new rules on Residency, we thought we would reduce our time in Turkey to six months and just use 90/180 day Visa but since October 2013 the way your time in Turkey is calculated has been changed to a rolling 90 days out of 180 days - i.e they calculate from your date of departure. Had they continued to calculate the 90/180 days as they had been doing up to October we could have worked round it and been in Turkey for a couple of months in the spring and then a couple of months from September, with the new way of calculating that is impossible.
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Marggie I am confident under the new Short Term RP you will be able to take 5,6,7 month hols in Turkey
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Philip, I hope you are correct though it seems crazy that people who are "permanent" residents and have previously had three or five year Permits will only be able to get yearly Permits.
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For them its just a matter of going to the local office once a year for renewal. After collecting 8 stamps ( subject to conditions) they get permanent status. A lot better deal than some other countries
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Marggie I am confident under the new Short Term RP you will be able to take 5,6,7 month hols in Turkey
Good to see someone's got confidence in what's going on there.
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When we read about the new rules on Residency, we thought we would reduce our time in Turkey to six months and just use 90/180 day Visa but since October 2013 the way your time in Turkey is calculated has been changed to a rolling 90 days out of 180 days - i.e they calculate from your date of departure. Had they continued to calculate the 90/180 days as they had been doing up to October we could have worked round it and been in Turkey for a couple of months in the spring and then a couple of months from September, with the new way of calculating that is impossible.
Have I missed something? What is the 'new' way of calculating the 90/180?
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Bewva, here is link which explains. Won't affect people who go for a couple of weeks once or twice a year.
http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/residency_turkey_visas_work_permit_questions/90180_day_visa_further_twist_53021.msg345089.html#msg345089
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Hi, don't often post on here but drop in from time to time for useful updates.
I'm based in Akyaka. I attended the Consulate information meeting in Marmaris yesterday hoping for an update on the new Residence Permit system. (Due to implement in just 6 weeks or so)
The main things to take away from the meeting were:
The consulate hasn't finalised where the office will be located for this area (Marmaris or Mugla). I imagine there will be a similar decision pending for Fethiye area.
The charges for the new annual Permit have not been determined but will be made known through official websites (specifically the migration management department www.goc.gov.tr )and social media.
There will be an option to renew online but website currently under development.
There was no new information available other than that already out there on http://www.yellali.com/news/article/31/new-turkish-residency-rules-explained and other sites.
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Thanks for the update Watchman.
If we can complete the renewal process online that will be a massive help. Our residency runs out on 29 March 2015 - a time when we are normally still in the UK - thought we might have to take a Visitor's Visa at that time. Was wondering if the 90/180 day ruling would kick in and prevent us getting an e-Visa as we would have been in excess of 90 days in Turkey in the preceding 180 days albeit on Residency.
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Thanks Marggie, I understand now. Fortunately it wont affect me. This year anyway.
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Have to say I am dubious about the ability to renew residency online.
How for example could proof of income be shown?
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If it's an online renewal it may be just a case of answering a simple question i.e. Have your financial circumstances changed ? Yes or No.
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I mention again
Turkey is presently part way through the signing of a new EU bill to allow Turkish citizens access to the EU states WITHOUT a visa.
Under the reciprical rules, does that not mean that they will do the same for EU residents and therefor we won't need a visa.
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Steve, read something about that but from memory it was something to do with countries who also operated Schengen, UK was not part of the deal. Will do a bit of searching and see what I come up with.
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I think this may be what you are referring to Steve.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524705/EU-signs-deal-Turkey-lifting-restrictions-citizens-travelling-Europe.html
The UK has adopted some of the Schengen rules but not its border rules so doubt very much if there will be a removal of Visa requirements for UK citizens.
Here is another link explaining Britain's involvement in the Schengen Agreement.
http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33020_en.htm
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After visiting fethiye/calis for over 30 years my wife and i now retired would love to stay longer on holiday but we are fed up of all the rule changes.Reading this latest topic gives us fresh hope.Are there any links for this new longer visa?
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Its not a longer visa, it is an unlimited time Residence Permit. But there are conditions to meet before you are eligible.