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Offline johntaylor49

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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2013, 11:44:02 AM »
Sorry, that was more of a Rant than a debate comment wasn't it  :)



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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2013, 12:58:46 PM »
It was John but I don't think there is a single person on here who does not echo your sentiments entirely.
The pass marks now for our kids to enter university are so low that any numpty can now spend four or five years studying, and I use the term loosely, to gain a degree which isn't worth Jack Sh&t in the real world but that's a debate for another thread.


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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2013, 15:57:39 PM »
I like many on here, I don't doubt, have lived through a recession or two.

This one though feels particularly grim. Every day I hear, see or experience something that leaves me with an unfavourable taste in my mouth.

Very fortunately, my family aren't struggling and our business is currently doing well (we never take it for granted though) but it's my friends that were never very well off anyway that seem to be hardest hit. Whilst that may seem pretty obvious, it's as though our present regime is going to ensure they are severely punished for being poor in the first place.

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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2013, 16:50:54 PM »
I don't think there is a single person on here who does not echo your sentiments entirely.

Oh yes there is! The notion that undergraduates do not study proper subjects, and that their degrees are worthless, I regard as 80% claptrap and 10% piffle. There may be some debate over the remaining 10% but I suspect that half of it is ill-informed misunderstanding.


That may also be a bit of a rant and the subject of a different thread. I don't hold out much prospect of a good "debate" on such a thread.

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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2013, 15:12:43 PM »
Not involved in Higher Education I hope Colwyn?  I have to say I went to University, I studied Electronic and Electrical Engineering, got my piece of paper.

Fortunately I did an apprenticeship first, so I learnt something before wasting a lot of time on a course that could have been done in two years rather than 4, where I was taught totally outdated technology, and had to suffer such subjects as "Scientific Philosophy" from a left wing lecturer who was keener on pushing his poitical views than us actually learning anything. (when he bothered to turn up!) It was a waste of time, outdated learning, things I have never used, and I only did it as I found that despite my proven skills other graduates wouldn't employ you in the "club" unless you had been to University! I learnt about 10% more than I did doing an HNC part time for two years! It is my absolute conviction that 50% of university places could be dropped with no detrimental effect. How many Political Science or Media Studies graduates can we employ ? Who needs an employee who has a degree in David Beckam? Shoule we perhaps offer "Perennial Stuident" as an official cpurse and maybe even a Masters?? -- not Oxon -- see I do know the system!

Strangely I have no objection to people becoming better educated, and University serves so many purposes not least a big "growing-up" as often first time away from home, managing finances etc. and developing the mind is good. However it is very expensive, and as such it should be something you earn not a right! Why shouldn't a talented History Scholar go on and take a degree and even a PHd, people can enrich our Society and it should be more than about "getting a job". (Whatever happened to the Articled Clerk route to becoming a Lawyer?) But
little Selwyn who just about made it through the dumbed down A levels and has an aptitude for mechanics going to university to do Political Sciences --- why???

We need the arts and educated people as a nation, we don't need millions of people with a useless piece of paper, or thousands of highly paid lecturers encouraging even more university places to create even more lecturing jobs!

One only has to look nearby at Germany, a Country that does not insist on so many University places as a percentage of it's population, but where they lead Europe in technology and manufacturing, where they work less hours and produce more, so how do they do that? 1960's methods -- apprenticeships, technical colleges, truly educated population, you pay attention in School in Germany -- or else!

If we as a nation want a major Industry of Education specialising in overseas students at high levels of income, that is different, a business like any other, but from what I see in the workplace, it isn't working, and it is to my regret that a few years ago I did reduce a totally inept young person to tears unintentionally when they referred to "at Uni .............." by my very brusque "What?? YOU went to University --- I suggest next time you pay attention"! Sorry if you are a CBF member and reading this  :)

I'm paying for all this nonsense and I don't like it!




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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2013, 15:18:55 PM »
Oh, I forgot to add , in my family I have 3 trainee Doctors all at University, one "Classics" Scholar
doing a PhD so not opposed to University for the right reasons! Also have two blood relatives who both went to University, both did "easy" subjects, neither has ever worked or ever will work in areas where whatever they were supposed to have learned will ever be used.

The experience and being away from home and personal development may I recommend VSO?


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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2013, 15:44:14 PM »
Not involved in Higher Education I hope Colwyn?
I am involved in retirement.

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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2017, 18:17:16 PM »
Some time after I posted this, I am pleased to hear the news today.

Sadly they will survive and carry on making huge profits out of the poorest people.

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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2017, 22:20:37 PM »
Used to be Catalogues you could buy and pay weekly.

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Re: Getting Rich from the Poor
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2017, 08:31:49 AM »
So am I due some money back..What's happened?




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