Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Hisaronu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Andrew H on March 21, 2007, 23:48:22 PM
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Having just returned I understand that the council have imposed noise restrictions in the village after midnight for 2007. This means that bars must have sound proof doors that close after midnight and many are having them fitted now.
It seems the overall noise was just getting too loud.
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Those restrictions have been in place for a number of years. This year however, they're threatening to strictly enforce them.
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What about the small bars on a private complex - hopefully the noice restrictions will extend to these - does anyone know?
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Dunno. All I would say is that in 2005, our first year as apartment owners in Hisaronu, we were somewhat disappointed with the way that the, errmmm, noise regulations, were enforced. In 2006, there was a noticable change - bars were quiet, the 'clubs' were enclosed and there was a noticeable jandarma presence enforcing the midnight 'noise down' rule (and also enforcing the 3 am 'shut up shop' rule. To me, a boring old fart who goes to Turkey for what I can get up to mainly in the daytime (with the obligatory favourite bar, restaurants etc at night) this enhanced my Turkey experience no end. Long may noise control rule the day (or night) and death to the noisy tw@wit bars that predominate in the village. If this offends anybody - tough. I like Turkey, I like the Turks, I like the Fethiye area, and I don't like the idea of Hisaronu being an 18-80 drunks paradise. people say there's no going back to 1989, well, if there's a chance, I will lead the way. Alan, I am over there on the 19th of May, my first time since August following a mother of a busy winter at work. Fancy catching up over a big cay? I need some more retirement advice ...
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Agree ( as always :) ) with Dave... we only returned from H a couple of days ago, and H and Olu Deniz both look like the Tsunami has left its aftermath, and as for the road alterations on the H to Olu Deniz stretch, that wont be completed in 2007, be prepared to be shocked by the enormity of it.
As for evidence of possibly ( hopefully) less noise in H this season, well in fairness one or two otherwise `noisy` establishments have we noticed erected further insulation, notably the Harmony bar ( thankfully) but both there and the Big break are unfortunately both being converted to `Night Clubs` we heard this year, perish the thought :(
Also the dreaded Karaoke and pub singers seem to be on the increase up that end this year, [:(!]
Thats our end of H... not sure what else is going on elsewhere in H , but I wont be surprised if there is a few gaps in between the bars and restaurants as we heard a few `went to the wall` understandably last season. Then of course theres the `white elephant` ( The new Mall ) .. cant see that being ready by May either... and surely thats heading to be the biggest business disaster this side of Fethiye ?
Sometimes I really wonder about the Turkish `Busines` logic ? who`s crazy idea was that [?]
Anyway heres hoping though that tourists will return ( hopefully the right sort ) this year, and that H is notably QUIETER :)
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The hotel we went to in Hisaronu was going steadily downhill due to the 18-30 brigade. The first year there, I was surprised to see 4 of the staff doing the Full Monty. It was a laugh and done with a modicum of taste. (The second week I got the pics :-\)
The staff were brilliant and we made friends that we still keep in touch with.
Further visits were never quite the same but there was always that core staff group who we got on really well with. However we did see a greed for tips from new staff that had been absent before. We are not mean with tips given willingly but dont like to be asked for them.
The last time we went the bar was full of the bar staff and waiters lined up to do the full monty and it was so tacky.
I quite like a bop but when sex acts are being simulated on a bar to the encouragement of the owner it is time to move on.
That year we took 6 other people out with us and looking at it through their eyes it was a shock.
This was the main reason we chose Calis last year. We did go back to visit the staff we knew and the bar had been soundproofed. Unfortunately the building had all the charm of a public toilet.
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George Michael would be happy there then!!..
WW
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Heather... why didnt you just walk out and express your feelings to the management ? They must get the message.. the vast majority of us dont want H to become a Blackpool. We too have heard similar sordid , not always in Hisaronu. We avoid those places like the plague... fortunately there are still plenty of alternatatives to that garbage entertainment
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We just chose not to go back. I really don't think the manager would have been interested in the opinions of us oldies. He is the one who encourages the behaviour. A lot of guests have gone elsewhere for the same reason.
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Dont blame you... are you prepared to `name and shame` the said premises ?
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Pine Hills
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I totally agree Heather I had been going there for years but the crunch came for me when I was attacked by a drunken 15 year old and the manager (Sertan) did nothing. I vowed never to set foot in there again and I never have.
maria x
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A lot of true words were spoken by Dave and Sleuth
If Hisaronu doesn't control the noise during the early evenings as well the older holidays makers such as I who go twice a year will be looking for another resort.
There is nothing worse when you are trying to eat and have a conversation to try and talk over loud music of different sorts blaring in your ears.
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:P We found the noise in H realy loud last year, you end up listening to 3 songs in the space of seconds,as your walking about, We all love music, but not when having a meal, it does my head in.:(
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only been to H for the carnival.Never been out there for a night out.Far too touristy for us.Thats not Turkey!
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:) Amanda have you been there in the winter, its just deserted, we went to the Fez bar and had a lovely night,but summer, no way.:P
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Originally posted by laffa
:P We found the noise in H realy loud last year, you end up listening to 3 songs in the space of seconds,as your walking about, We all love music, but not when having a meal, it does my head in.:(
You have got it in one laffa
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:o You ok Crabbit, ;)
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We too have noticed a change in H over the past few years.People do like to have music,it can make for a good atmosphere, but it seems to me that they are using loud music to compete with each other, as one turns up the volume the others follow suit.Sitting in a restaurant, which should be playing background music you hear a combination of music from all these bars, which sounds like the worst mashed hit around.
Someone I know stayed in H last year as she got a cheap deal and she echoed this view, although it hasn't put her off as she liked the surrounding area ie oludeniz,fethiye,going on boat trips etc .They are going to return this year and are staying in our place in Ovacik so they are convenient for Beach,fethiye ,fish restaurants, markets,boat trips.
I also know a family, neighbours of ours in England, whom we bumped into walking along the street in H last year and it was their first visit to Turkey.They were staying in H, were not impressed and had no plans to return to Turkey.We did our best to sell the surrounding are a but it was their last night and I think the damage was done.
We still like to go into H and walk through sometimes have a meal or drink as We have got to know people over the years but still know we can retreat " to the hills" when ever we want.Fortunate we know other places to go, but new visitors do not always venture far a field or see the whole picture and form their impression of the area from just one place.
David
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we avoid walking down the main road at night back to our apt... there are quiet backwaters thankfully.. H is now like most major cities at the week end at night, only its every night in Hisaronu unfortunately. The spread of `drag acts` bar singers, karaoke, and elvis impersonators , and the unbearable noise level, is depressing and comparable to Blackpool or similar. Some hotels are even advertising a `full monty` night ???? Even Olu Deniz we noticed is heading that way at night you will notice :-(
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It is such a shame because in the end it will drive the regular visiters to Hisaronu away to finf a new place like Hisaronu once was.
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I have posted elsewhere but someone obviously complained about the post midnight noise and the jandarma are on the case. All that needs to happen is for people to try and get through ( through FT, LoL etc or even by writing to the mayor) to the Istanbullus part time bar owners who are competing with each other for limited trade that they are going about it the wrong way. Hisaronu has a core of loyal returnees but the once-only rate is probably pretty bad because of peoples experiences as described in this thread. The resort is getting a make-over, some of the older hotels are closing or being re-furbed, loads of new apartments have been built (these tend to be under-occupied and occupants will make use of the fridges and cookers they provide at the expense of the bars and restaurants), new shops like the Nick-Nick centre (whatever you think of it) will mean that a lot of the dodgy shops on the periphery of the village will close (that's the ones with no prices on anything - pot luck pricing is rapidly being driven out of Hisaronu thanks to Azda) We should complain to the jandarma about restaurants pricing in sterling, all prices should be in lira, IT IS ILLEGAL TO DISPLAY NON-LIRA PRICES IN TURKEY!!
The place is looking up, it has gone through the transformation from three bars in a field through it's club 18-70 phase and could end up being a seriously good resort in a few years time (if the property developers don't get too greedy and build on every plot of space). If you like the place so much, and many of us now have skin in the game as council tax payers, lets talk the place up and engage with the Turks to give us what we want and not what they think we want!
Some things to get mad about.
How about sensible bus services from the airport? Put an end to this monopoly of transfer services. That might get a few more people turning right at Dalaman instead of going left to Marmaris
How about designating some land in the village as green land?
Rip off Dalaman airport - nuff said
How about a limit on shops and bars ( I know, I am dreaming now)- hosts of empty shops send the wrong message
And lets get some foreign tourists in there so that the Turks aren't dependent on the Brits so much for a living
Rant over.
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Well said Dave, and I totally agree. But a big problem is actually the Gendarmara themselves. So many local turks have always told us over the years, that many owners of the establishments that pump out the excessive noise late at night have the Gandarmara `in their pockets`so to speak, and they receive `back handers`from the owners to not take it further whenever anyone complains of the noise level.
So its an uphill struggle I am afraid, Turkish police are notoriously corrupt we have heard.
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We love hisaronu,stayed for 3 weeks in may and dont have any problems with noise where we stay, (except that bl**dy cockrel).Some people we met didnt get a wink of sleep because the Irish bar attached to their hotel went on all night. Wouldnt have minded so much if the place was busy, as everybody has to make a living, but it was empty.
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We love hisaronu as well, we have teenage children and 6 and 10 year olds with us,our complex is lovely and quiet, we mix eating in and eating out we have always been realy lucky with where we eat, we try and stay away from the loud music places,we might call in once in 3 weeks for a dance but that is all i can cope with,i wouldn't like it to get trashy as it is a lovely place to retreat to and the local people are great with the kids, have been coming since 04 and have seen it change i'm afraid,the boys love the free pool tables
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the bar and restaurant owners can't win thirteen years ago when you couldn't buy property in turkey and everyone was a tourist everyone moaned that you couldn't get an english breakfast and the bars shut to early but who do you think they are going to cater for mr ill have half and go back to the apartment or mr lets have twenty pints and get bladderd bearing in mind that six months of the year they earn nothing. and hisaronu has always had music blaring maybe you only notice when you own something there or maybe it is just old age. and as for foreign tourists go we drove them all out
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No, no, no. The racket is increasing. Definitely.
Yes, I can't blame the bar and restaurant owners for wanting to make as much money as possible during the holiday season. But I object to having a meal at one of the restaurants that I love there, only to be assaulted by two or three different 'melodies' blasting at me with increasing volume as the evening goes on. At the point in the meal where we are full, happy and fancying a nice liqueur and coffee, we get bounced out of our seats by the music coming from next door! Sadly this had led to us vacating the place and going back to the hotel earlier than we'd have liked.
BTW, we now live here in Turkey and went back to the hotel last year to say Hi and were dismayed to find it is also tuning into bedlham, even during the day. Isnt there anywhere a holidaymaker can just have a nice peaceful holiday anymore?
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We have had our place in H for 5 years now. I hate walking down the 'Golden Mile' and agree with those who are fed up with the music blasting all around when trying to enjoy a quiet meal. The answer, I have found, is to go there out of season. There are still enough restaurants to visit and the staff, although we all know are always extremely friendly, have even more time for chatting. OK, the weather isn't as great and you won't go home with a tan but you will love the peace and quiet. Please though keep this a secret as, if it leaks out and more people go out of season, we will all end up with the same loud music as we get during the season.
Don't get me wrong, we still go during the season but a couple of trips during the winter months helps to confirm what a great choice we made buying in H.
Marg
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Hi Marg, heaven knows why you and hubby bought where you did in Hisaronu, it's been loud and brash for the last 10yrs that i know of. It's a sad thing to say that one "Hates wa;lking" in the place they live. Question begs, why did you decide to buy there?
Pete
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Hi Tykatem
I am Marg`s hubby :-) Firstly, if you have seen (or know of ) our complex , `Karia` where we have a duplex apartment, just at the edge of Hisaronu you would realise why we bought there 5 years ago :-) Far enough away from the noise... but close enough for all the amenities. We spend a lot of our evenings sat on our terrace at night, listening to my music, and chilling out... lovely and quiet... no boom boom from the `golden mile` :-)
For meals out in the evening, we either frequent our nearest `quiet` restaurants, or visit the lovely Kaya village or Olu deniz restaurants.The nearness of Olu Deniz, Kaya, and Fethiye is a real plus.Also as my wife mentioned, its great `out of season`. We have learn`t over the 5 years how to still enjoy Hisaronu and its lovely immediate area, without experiencing the `Golden mile` with its drag shows, elvis impersonators, hordes of drunk english girls, karaoke bars , etc....
It can be done :-)
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Hi Sleuth
i am with you on this one we bought our place on brooklands 1 about 5 years ago and we love it, we have brought two seperate group of mates with us and they both bought villas here, we are only 3 minutes walk from the centre of H but we have never been botherd by drunks or seen any trouble, we eat in a few times a week and then we eat out all the kids love the free pool tables, we love going to oludeniz for our tea and the lovely kaya, Im sure we get the hordes of drunks but im glad to say we have never been troubled by them, and i'm sure wherever you go on holiday there is a chance that you will meet them. we are out the end of may and we can't wait.another benefit of coming out of season is extra room on the plane we were out in March and we had two seats each on the way home.
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I agree. We dont like the way Hisaronu has become, having been visiting the area for the past 17 years, but bought in Ovacik because like you all say, Olu deniz, Kaya and Fethiye are all within easy reach. We love Kalkan and Kas, which have avoided getting too English like Hisaronu, but when weighing up all the options, negatives and positives, Ovacik it was, for the sheer beauty of the area, the choice of things to do anpd the proximity to Dalaman. Kalkan and Kas,although beautiful, are just too far from Dalaman, and dont offer nearly as much to do as our area. Also, Hisaronu does provide entertainment for the children and young teenagers! You can have a fun night here, and like Caz1230 if you try out of season, its really quite pleasant!
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Hi Sue mac
I realy wish we had seen hisaronu 17 years ago i bet it was a realy lovely place
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oh it was . Magical. Just a couple of rural style bars, nothing fancy, lots of wildlife. donkeys roaming the roads, a handful of pensiyons, hardly any shops,a couple of restaurants on the main road and that was about it. It has truly changed beyond recognition. Thats why we always go dwn to Kaya when we are there - it reminds us so much of the old Hisaronu.