Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: sannyrut on July 10, 2007, 10:34:22 AM
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I had a holiday at the beginning of June this year in Calis.The resort was very quiet and the restauranteurs etc were complaining about it.I returned at the beginning of July to Calis and once again it was extremely quiet.The first holiday was before the Glasgow failed bomb.The second was after it.Did people know I was coming out ;),and left before I came,or is there another reason.
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I think it just boomed and is now settling down. Those restaurants with better service etc will last, whilst the others will/may close (my personal thoughts).
I think Calis needs to have the beach improved in order to pull in vistors who normally go to other Turkish resorts.
Glen.
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I've just come back and didn't think it was particularly quiet, though I am sorry if some of the bars and restaurants are feeling the pinch.
Partly the reason for returning to Calis for so many years is that it's pretty quiet and peaceful (even when Laffa's there!) but with just the right balance of nightlife for me - I really don't want it to get any busier!!!
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Maybe it`s because it is too expensive now.
As everybody knows Turkeys tourism sector has declined in the last couple of years.
If the calis restauranteurs took a leaf out of their counterparts in Marmaris book, where you can now get a full English breakfast for 3YTL (a proper one) then maybe the tourists will return.
Crabbit
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I wonder if its anything to do with the size now? Its much bigger than it used to be extending much further that the bridge and so as a consequence the numbers are diluted. Rather than everyone being packed on the prom in the eateries there, they have choice to go much further a field. Well up the road a bit!
We've also noticed that in early June when the weather is very pleasant, the beach is very quiet as it seems people prefer to stay around their own pools whereas in September when it tends to be hotter people flock to the beach for the breeze. Just a thought.
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I may be in danger of agreeing with Crabbit. On my visit to Calis last week I was irritated by being charged 10.50YTL on the beach for a couple of sunloungers (and umbrella). A couple who planned a beach holiday for a fortnight would be charged well over £50 if they went to the beach every day - over £100 for a family of four. You could buy the damn things for less. It would not be a surprise if people were not using the beach so much and that the bars/restaurants on the front found holidaymakers taking lunch there less often.
As a comparison, the resort where I was staying charges 2YTL each for loungers (no charge for umbrellas) and when we went to (the despised) Marmaris, they were free - well, free apart from slightly inflated prices in the seafront bars/restaurants.
Is Calis trying to deter tourists from using its beach?
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I don't object to paying the charges as i don't think they are are excessive when compared with other Mediterranean resorts. I do object to the beach being dirty and would be thrilled if they used the sun bed revenue to fund a clean up campaign. I would be very surprised if anything in Marmaris was free and slightly inflated prices will I'm sure more than make up for the cost of sunbeds if one could be bothered to work out the difference over a two week stay between the cost of sunbeds and the hike up on food and drink- if anyone works for Holiday Which that might be a nice little project for you. I for one could not be ar*ed !
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The prices in most bars/restaurants along Marmaris Seafront are way lower than those in Calis.
You do come across the odd bar that does charge more, but they are few & far between.
It all depends if you like being ripped off or not, personally, I wouldn`t eat in a Calis Restaurant unless they brought their prices down to a realistic level. eg, A Steak meal 12YTL or less.
Please don`t get me wrong, I`m not a lover of Marmaris, but credit where credit`s due.
Crabbit
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I wouldnt be surprised if more families are going all inclusive at other resorts, we are thinking about doing that next year. We found Calis to be expensive the last time we were there and all inclusive deals can be very good value. Not everyone's cup of tea but we also found our kids want to make friends on holiday which they havent done so far because the apartments we stay in are small and there are not many people about.
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All the time that the restaurants and bars in Calis put their prices up for ''the summer trade' then I am afraid they dont deserve to be busy.Fethiye is cheaper now than the majority of restaurants along Calis strip. I agree with Crabbit, if they brought their prices down to a more reasonable level, then they might be busy.
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:) I agree with all of the above posts, Even the one about Laffa ;) After going to Spain this year for a 3 day break, I was amazed to see how much cheaper it was, and cheaoer and quicker to get to. Not that I want to start going there, but the prices are far cheaper for meals, drinks, even gifts. But dont you find we hear the same thing every year in Calis, about not being busy I have been listening to the same thing regularly now for the past 7 years at least. And yes people staying by the pool does account for alot of trade dying down, but another thing I have noticed is if for example you are coming off the beach at the best time of the day, 6.30ish, they are laying the tables for the evenings trade and you dont feel quite comfortable just asking for a coffee, I think Calis front would do well with a good coffee shop,and a clean beach.
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:D P.S. forgot to say, Still love it.
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The debate certainly isn't about why people aren't coming to Turkey, more and fuller flights are coming into Dalaman, so it is why are they not coming to Calis. From there, when they come, where do they go. Not down to the seafront, that is for sure. There are a lot of answers in this thread. High prices, expensive sunbeds and all inclusive competition - believe me, Letoonia is packed out, they are occasionally OVERBOOKED.
One factor is that the huge concrete lump the Aries is closed. Even 500 rooms at 2 people per room is 1,000 people not milling around.
There is also an issue with nationalities - flights from Poland and other eastern European countries are regular now, and my understanding is that in general they don't spend much!
There is far too much choice for not enough people. This year saw the opening of a number of 'speciality' bars and restaurants that after a busy honeymoon period declined rapidly in popularity, joining the game scratching around for customers.
The paradox of Calis is that huge competition didn't result in lower prices, far from it. Maybe it will come, it is overdue.
One final point is my 'usual' one. You have to convince people that Turkey is not a land of desert, hassle and curly shoes. If you can, you have to convince people not to go all inclusive but to get out and discover the many delights of the Turkish menu. Then you have to hope they choose somewhere they have never heard of (Calis/Fethiye) over somewhere they have (Marmaris etc.).
Once you have done all that, you can sit reading CBF, shaking your head in disbelief at stories of people who tried to book a Calis hotel for their holiday - only to find that they didn't respond to any emails, and the phone just rang and rang.
I think Calis needs to raise its game.
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We are just back after 14 days in Calis. I did not think prices were excessive in the restaurants and bars. The food quality is very high and there was no pressure from staff to use their premises. Add to this the fact that in Calis I have never encountered any noisy/abusive drunks, I have never seen any form of disturbances, local transport is cheap, local excursions are cheap(even from some of the larger operators) fantastic views and weather and a very friendly obliging population. If the prices are considered high then I for one am willing to pay them for all the other advantages of Calis. Our first holiday in Turkey was to Marmaris(14 years ago) and it was 'hell on earth' as far as I was concerned and would never consider a revisit.
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i think dave(crabbit) has some of the right idea,people are feeling the prices are high,last year we were chatting to a local bar owner who was on about increasing his prices because no one was entering his establishment.
calis is a long way behind the likes of the established resorts, but is getting there,
they need to do there own thing become different everybody has the boom boom bars etc i for one like the peace and quite,but each to there own
hopefully when all the building work has finished the big cleanup ie rubbish/building materials etc wil be removed and the place will at least be presentable to the eye.
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The condition of Caish Beach simply not good and I am afraid, it doesn't get better either when more shops and restaurants are opening and more road works etc done... NO investment at all toBeach which is one of the key attraction of the whole place... but on the other hand charges are going up bo return investment on the beach ? They kiled Katranci, they killed others... If all restaurants and café's will not react soon we will use less and less calish beach (This is our approach)... but spend more time near our pool...
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Originally posted by gt
we were chatting to a local bar owner who was on about increasing his prices because no one was entering his establishment
He'll be the first victim by the sound of it - what a master of economics he must be.
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After our failed attempt to get to Katranchi beach (now I know why we were waiting opposite Halkins and apparently it comes out further by the roundabout) we decided to get the bus and have a beach day at Koca Calis. We had two beers and two sprites and free use of sun beds at Popeye's total of 9 Lira!! I know this establishment is not fancy like the bars on the prom but it was clean and the service was friendly. The beach is far superior this end and you dont have to negotiate that awful shelf of rock when you get in. I for one would happily pay for sunbeds on the prom if the money went to pay for a cleaner beach.
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Did someone say they will Increase their prices, DUH.
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Fethiye was definatley cheaper this year! First time I've experienced that!
Calis needs to look at its pricing. The restaurants, whilst not expensive, are more so that other areas.
A note of caution though - the TC flights we were on were full both ways - fortunatley 90% of the holidaymakers didn't go to Calis! I'm no snob but there were some right sights on the plane and they were not the sort that would raise the image of Calis.
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We have done the all inclusive in Olu Deniz for the past four years with our young children after visiting Calis for many years when there was just the two of us. The hotel in Olu is full every year and this May was over booked. The food in the hotel is fantastic and is very "Turkish" and for a family of four it is far more cost effective, with the added bonus that we can visit Calis as often as we want.
As I have spoke about in another post, me and my friend called into Calis on route to dalaman from Kalkan (where by the way was more expensive than Calis to eat out)and I thought that Calis was really busy, in fact the busiest I have seen it for years. The Harem was full and people were waiting for tables and that was 30th June, not even school holidays. Just one more thing that I noticed, our flights were also completely full
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"shaking your head in disbelief at stories of people who tried to book a Calis hotel for their holiday - only to find that they didn't respond to any emails, "
I have e-mailed two hotels for availability in September -No reply
I ended up booking with First choice again, but others may just go elsewhere.
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Originally posted by stoop
A note of caution though - the TC flights we were on were full both ways - fortunatley 90% of the holidaymakers didn't go to Calis! I'm no snob but there were some right sights on the plane and they were not the sort that would raise the image of Calis.
PMSL :)
When travelling to and from Calis and whilst in the queue at the arrival/departure check in desk at the airport, we tend to play the 'spot the scratter' game. This involves discreetly looking and listening to people talk. Nine times out of ten you can spot the ones who are going to Mamaris and confirm this by looking at peoples luggage labels !
;)
Apologies in advance to any nicely spoken and nicely behaved people who go there.
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We were in Fethiye last week. Our transfer driver told us he worked at The Aries for 7 years.
He was a bright lad and said although the Brits were coming in numbers they tended to buy property and not go out as much as "tourists".
He also bemoaned the fact that before the Brits the Germans came on Package Holidays and were prepared to pay more for quality!
He actually said this in a very nice and inoffensive manner without trying to be smart - just stating the facts!
He is also getting married at the end of this month and will have 800 at his 2 day wedding - so a popular chappie!!!
Ian :)
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I hope they turn the music down at a reasonable hour ;)
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When he told me he was having 800 at his wedding I didn't like to say I was having 4 (and that includes the bride & groom!!!)
Ian
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Jukebox - I thought they were rough and I'm from Harehills in Leeds!!!!
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You did not say you were going to bring a bridge with you as well!
Sorry Ian....couldn't resist that one.:D
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Brian - deliberate mistake now corrected!
See you in September
Ian
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Originally posted by stoop
Jukebox - I thought they were rough and I'm from Harehills in Leeds!!!!
Thats the point Stoop- so is Jukey!
Some of the sights and sounds we've seen thank goodness they werent Calis wallers!
Scunner said Calis needs to raise its game- have thought that for years they just never get it quite right. Sleeping all winter and then deciding to dig the roads up in May, put in bollards on the main road in June, dont deliver sunbeds and umbrellas till June , an end of the season feel in October- no way is it ever going to be an all year round resort until they get someone on the council who knows about tourism!
I reckon there was a particular year where Calis lost the edge! Round about 10ish years ago they decided to block pave the prom( to what you see now) before that it was just the usual rubbish road. What a great idea I hear you say. Yes it was- but they started it in May. Which meant that people going to their hotels were literally clambering over mounds of rubble. Thompsons pulled out, Thomas Cooks pulled out and moved all their guests en masse- to Olu Deniz. The hotels never recovered. Hotels like the Aytur, Rose Beach( Gul) Malhun, Mendos, Seketur- they used to be full of British tourists every year but they lost the custom after the road debacle! :-\
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Like most people on here we have our own place, we don't go out every night, probably one night in three. If I were to stay in a hotel then I would have to go out every night, the dynamic of the resort has changed.
No one ever questions the price of quality, be it food, drink or any product you care to name. But 3ytl for a full English breakfast, come on, give em a chance to provide quality and make some money.
Love Calis, Love Turkey don't want to sample a 3ytl breaky.
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Love Calis, Love Turkey don't want to sample a 3ytl breaky.
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Couldnt agree more [:X]
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Sounds like a cue for crabbit :D:D: :): :) ;)
I'd give the 3ytl a try... who know's...:D:D ;)
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:)Cavfan is right about the chaos the road caused back then, so too is the turkish lad about the germans, they would put their foot down if something was'nt right, although I did find them over the top and very domineering, not all but most,german was the 2nd language when we first went there, I remember when the Mutlu used to do afternoon tea & cake,(free), they would climb all over you and take six pieces each.So I am glad they don't dominate the resort. Then came direct holidays, That was the closest I have ever came to not going to Calis ever again, They needed a hospitalin the then Poyraz, scousers and jocks night, although I am a scouser I used to shudder on hearing the mouths on some of them,and I am by no means posh or for that matter full of decorum, the sights we saw then would make your toes curl,so thats one of the best things thats happened,They were all nutters who came and no week was different, good for the bars maybe but not for other folk who wanted a relaxing holiday, Fair enough, I can get carried away watching a match, but after its over, I resume to nearly normal.So its not all bad in Calis these days. ;)
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I never said that I`d want an English breakfast, it was just an example of the difference in prices between Calis and Marmaris, and which restaurateurs had their heads screwed on.
If you were charged 3YTL for your breakfast, you would more than likely choose to eat & drink in the evening at that establishment more often than others.
Crabbit
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Here, here, Crabbit, agree 100% [^]
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Maybe people aren`t coming because it`s scruffy,dirty and downmarket with a beach that is hardly spectacular - apart from being spectacularly strewn with rubbish every day.
Strikes me the whole of the area is going to drown soon under a million tons of plastic bags,bottles and cardboard!
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[If you were charged 3YTL for your breakfast, you would more than likely choose to eat & drink in the evening at that establishment more often than others.
Crabbit
I think that's subjective. It rather depends on what basis you judge the attraction of a place. If it was the same for everyone i.e price-then the prom in Calis would be deserted in an evening with tourists preferring to eat in a transport cafe in the village.
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Originally posted by jolini
Maybe people aren`t coming because it`s scruffy,dirty and downmarket with a beach that is hardly spectacular - apart from being spectacularly strewn with rubbish every day.
Strikes me the whole of the area is going to drown soon under a million tons of plastic bags,bottles and cardboard!
:o :o Can I refer you to your reply to a posting of 04/04/07 Topic 'Wonderful Weather & Sunset' "Moron's responsible for dumping rubbish everywhere, plenty of waste bins around Calis" :P
Must be all those Bl**dy Moron Visitors 8)
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I was under the impression that the bar prices were set by the local council. A gin cost 6TL and a tonic 2.50, BUT much larger measures than we get in the UK. As for the hassling on the strip, it's far les now than it used to be. The Harem for example is invariable busy (full) because Mehmet never hassles. One bar that I frequent regularly, when presented with say a two day old bill, you a free drink!
Yes, Calis has changed over the years, but we have asked for the changes and being given what we have asked for. Just got back last weeked and I had a super holiday.
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Originally posted by jolini
Maybe people aren`t coming because it`s scruffy,dirty and downmarket with a beach that is hardly spectacular - apart from being spectacularly strewn with rubbish every day.
Strikes me the whole of the area is going to drown soon under a million tons of plastic bags,bottles and cardboard!
An interesting appraisal from someone who hated it so much they recently spent nearly £100,000 on a villa here.
Welcome to Calis!
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;) Moz, my favourite eldest person in the world,I know your not an old minge bag, you must come back in September and we will have a pub crawl around Calis,for the best value for money, (as if we care) ;)
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Hi Laffa!
When have we ever asked the price of anything? Maybe people who live there on a budget need to. We are on holiday, slight difference maybe?
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And that is why the prices will keep rising.
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We're here at the moment and yes, have found the restaurants on the front to be expensive. I can't say we'll be eating there again this visit. It's much cheaper in Gunlukbasi or along at the Birlik. Helen's etc. Service with a smile, people who are genuinely pleased to have you in their restaurants, take the time to talk to you etc. I could go on but I'm sure you've all had the same experiences.
I also have to agree with Dave about Marmaris. We went through on Sunday to visit some friends and had a brilliant meal which was easily 10tl per head cheaper than Calis.
Would we go anywhere else though, no! This is it for us. We love it, even with the over inflated prices, warts and all :)
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If there are any restaurant owners reading this thread and 1 or 2 take notice and act on it by reducing their prices then it can only be good for Calis.
Crabbit
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by jolini
Maybe people aren`t coming because it`s scruffy,dirty and downmarket with a beach that is hardly spectacular - apart from being spectacularly strewn with rubbish every day.
Strikes me the whole of the area is going to drown soon under a million tons of plastic bags,bottles and cardboard!
An interesting appraisal from someone who hated it so much they recently spent nearly £100,000 on a villa here.
Welcome to Calis!
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That is what I said, did you want to reply to it or just copy it again?
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:) It must have some appeal if we are all replying to the post, Despite people getting followed, and homes being broken into, and getting hassle,and god knows what else,:D I cant wait to get back, ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
That is what I said, did you want to reply to it or just copy it again?
must have hit the wrong button, so so sorry.
By the way I did not say I hated [Calis] just that it was dirty etc which in my opinion ( if that is allowed) it is. Perhaps with your rose coloured glasses on you cannot see it as is.
Funnily enough it seems worse now than when I visited earlier on in the year , the council just does not seem to be able to keep up with the general tidying up of the place, for instance each time they empty the large bins there is more rubbish left around them than before they were emptied.
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Sorry Jolini, but i moved here 7 weeks ago, and i have seen the bins emptied more times in that time than i ever did in 12 mths in england, once a fortnight, and i paid £1200 for the privalage, i'd rather be where i am now. Alan
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Originally posted by jolini
Perhaps with your rose coloured glasses on you cannot see it as is.
I think you will find (if you look) that although I am a great lover of Calis, nobody criticises it on certain matters more than me.
Apart from Crabbit of course.
I'll love it for what it is (and isn't) - I loved it so much I set up a website to tell the World about it! The fact still remains that you bought a property in a place that you consider to be "scruffy,dirty and downmarket"!
I'd suggest you had the 'rose tinted spectacles' when you made that decision!
Do you rent it out? I'd love to see how you describe Calis to potential customers - not "downmarket" I am sure. What did you tell friends and family? "We just spent loads of money on a villa in a scruffy downmarket place in Turkey" :)
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I have seen the bin men pick up rubbish that has not been put in the bins and scrape up the last of the garden rubbish with two bits of cardboard.
Pashka
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Calis has it's faults like everywhere else.But they are working on it.If everything was perfect you would pay £100k+ for a 2 bedroom Apartment and not £30- £50k at present.It's a case of 'work in Progress' .Fast forward 5 years and see how it looks . 8)
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We have visted Calis twice and yes the beach could be better but the place more than makes up for it in other ways, the people, the excellent resturants etc. Turkey in general does however seem to have an aversion to putting bins out for the general public to put their rubbish in - we were in Gocek and couldn't find one anywhere and had to ask a shopkeeper if my son could put his ice cream wrapper in his bin (which was inside the shop behind the counter). I guess its a money thing but they could save money on cleaning if they put bins in place in the fist place. All this said and done I love it there and would rather put up with a bit of rubbish than grumpy miserable people which I have encountered in other countries.
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Kazzyber,
Not money, most litter bins were removed due to security concerns following bombs and bomb scares in other parts of Turkey.
I understand the concern about rubbish here. Not like the UK at all. I used to travel a lovely 'cross country' route through the Buckingham countryside to my head office. Beautiful scenery, punctuated by lay bys crammed full of three piece suites and rusty fridges. Autumnal trees achieved a flash of colour by collecting escaping Tesco carrier bags.
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I wonder how many supermarket trolleys you could find in Calis I bet its not as many as the little beck near me, walking past the other day and saw a Safeway trolley, but Safeway was taken over by Tesco over a year ago :)
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Or food rotting in wheelie bins right outside your home for two weeks.
It was Morrison's by the way ;)
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Beautiful scenery, punctuated by lay bys crammed full of three piece suites and rusty fridges. Autumnal trees achieved a flash of colour by collecting escaping Tesco carrier bags.
Scunner your quote above was a beautifully descriptive peice of prose. You should write for a living! Well I guess with 6,000 posts you already do.
We should love Turkey for what and how it is - not try to impose Western values upon the place. That is often easier said than done i know. I hate watching the dumper bin being emptied outside Green valley and watching the bin men pull out all the cardboard on top and throw it to one side. I have been known to chuck it back in the bin so that it is at the bottom. I hate that but i have to remind myself that this is not Northampton, this is Turkey - in Asia thousands of miles from home. And I love it!
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Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
I hate watching the dumper bin being emptied outside Green valley and watching the bin men pull out all the cardboard on top and throw it to one side. I have been known to chuck it back in the bin so that it is at the bottom.
They take the cardboard out because they recycle it.
If you had taken the time to notice, Turks and expats alike, leave said cardboard by the side of the bin, as a man with a barrow/trolley/pushbike etc will come along to pick it up.
They earn their living by doing this.
Consequently, by you putting it back in the bottom of the bin, you are depriving a Turkish family of food.
Crabbit
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I'm sure she isn't trying to make Turkish people starve Crabbo lol
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That told me! just trying to keep the place a little bit tidy as the cardboard is not collected as far as I have seen, having taken the time to notice that it has sat for up to 4 weeks, I have popped it in the bin rather than the drainage gulley. I'll leave it in future.
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There are so many people from my part of Manchester considering buying in calis, that I have started to tell lies and try to put them off.
Bit selfish you see I want it all to myself. I think the overflowing bin story will be added to my list. Oh and they definatly can't get a full English for 3ytl.
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Now steady on Javacoffee
The overflowing bin was in Deliktas
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:) No, leave him Scun, he's doing the right thing,tell him anything bad , the worse the better. ;)
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Just to prove the good value of all inclusive v eating out in Calis restaurants, I have been pricing up various all inclusive hotels for 2 weeks in August next year. Prices arent out on all of the accommodation only sites yet, but some are. So, as an example Club Sun City hotel in Olu Deniz, 2 weeks for a family of 4 is £1330. Add on £376 for the flights we have booked, total is £1706 for the 4 of us, all inclusive until midnight. There are other places in Marmaris for around £1000 although reviews seem to be hit and miss.
The same package holiday on Thomas Cook is £3450.
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Tonya,
All inclusive is OK but for two weeks you have to eat at the same place all the time. In my mind they are far too restrictive. We like to go out and about and sample different restaurants. We've done AI for a week and that was about my limit - got bored after about 6 days actually.
Each to their own but we prefer the abiltiy to do what we want - when we want.
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:) All inc, bores the rear end off me, we always go out to get a bit of atmosphere and it ends up costing us more, so not worth it for us. ;)
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No, but it appeals to families on a budget and that is possibly why Calis is quiet, that is what I'm saying. I know its not for everyone.
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Oh well here goes! 8)
Has Calis lost its appeal? I didn't know it had any : :)
Tonya I have to agree with you re the All-incl for families, family of 4 looking were to eat somewhere different every night, and kids can be picky, then looking to have them entertained on a daily basis, at least the parents can usually get a few hours to themselves a day on the AI hols as many offer childrens clubs. if renting a property for the same family of 4 cost of flights, rental property, orgainising transfers,meals out,entertainment, and poor mum just a cook in another country if self catering. no contest, and not everyone can afford or fortunate enough to own their own place
Has Calis lost its appeal? If my first visit/holiday to Turkey was Calis I doubt very much if I would be living here today, I would not have returned year after year, hence I rarely go to Calis and never use the beach, especially having suffered cut feet and legs due to the rubbish on the beach and sharp and deeply shelving rocky slope into the sea. Why am I here? I love turkey for many other reasons, bars and restaurants not included.
(shout when it is safe to remove the pith helmet):D: :) ;)
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I have been to Calis only once, last year and I have to say I absolutly love it, ok it may not be spotless but in my opinion and this is only my opinion. The bars and the people more than make up for it for example when were there last year Sinasi and maheer and the rest of the staff at cafe soul(this is not an advertisment)made us more than welcome (so did the rest of the bars we went to) for the whole of our stay and that included reserving me and the family front row seats to the first England game of the world cup, My local back in Longridge do this for me (but I have been going in there for over 13years)Our apartment backs on to the Sunday market and watching that being erected is a spectical and shopping around it is amazing. The little shop just down from the apartment (sumer rose again not an ad!!!) I could not get to grips with the coins but they youngish lad in there helped me no end and by the end of our fortnight I had it sorted. This is why Calis has so much appeal for me, my family and friends
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;)cExactly Alan, each to their own, The Calis today is'nt the Calis we fell in love with 20 years ago, but then again the Liverpool I was born in is'nt the same as It was 20 years ago, Its the friends we've made along the way that matter most to us.[^] ;)
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In the last two years I have been to Calis 13 times, i wont be coming again, when there in ocotober was appalled by the filth and broken down appearance of everything, even the better restaurants were looking shabby, so sad really cos I loved it there! but wont be rushing back
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Originally posted by laffa
;)cExactly Alan, each to their own, The Calis today is'nt the Calis we fell in love with 20 years ago, but then again the Liverpool I was born in is'nt the same as It was 20 years ago, Its the friends we've made along the way that matter most to us.[^] ;)
Are you only 20 then Moe? :)
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:D I bloody wish, I mean comparing the last 20 yrs in both, oh why am I explaining your winding me up, Just cos you look forty. ;)
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Originally posted by GailAhmet
In the last two years I have been to Calis 13 times, i wont be coming again, when there in ocotober was appalled by the filth and broken down appearance of everything, even the better restaurants were looking shabby, so sad really cos I loved it there! but wont be rushing back
Thirteen times in two years? Bloody hell Gail, you must be loaded and have loads of holidays from work :)
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Have a look at this website and read the write up on Calis.....
www. turkeytwinkles.com Interesting? :)
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A good website and yes a very interesting right up on Calis.
Thank you tribalelder.
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Scunner
Now I realise why there are fewer bins everywhere - never thought of terrorist attacks, makes sense. The UK however have decided as you know to go the opposite route and make it easier for terrorists by having rubbish piled on roadsides for 2 weeks in some areas. I have to say that we as yet in West Berkshire still have our rubbish collected weekly and long may it stay that way. Get your point on the rubbish in laybys over here, sofas, fridges etc. I guess rubbish is a problem everywhere. Did see one strange thing in Calis when we were there however at the far end of the beach near Telmessos a group of Turkish people were carrying a Washing Machine on to the beach (during heatwave week) - couldn't think of why then came to the conclusion must have been using it as a 'SALAD SPINNER'!!!
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Brian's post edited to break link - you can copy it into your browser if you really want to read about how crap Miss "Twinkles" thinks Calis is - CBF won't be affording her the search engine benefit a direct link from a large website like ours gives to a minor website like hers!
I've never read such pretentious nonsense in my life. Yet another UK based individual setting themselves up as an expert on the whole of Turkey.
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Although I did not express an opinion on the site, I would tend to be in agreement with your comments but in our society everyone has a right to their opinion and to express it....whether we agree or disagree is equally our right but sometimes we tend to see only our side of the coin.
What is important is the damage that this has already done as of course not everyone will have had the benefit of the more accurate picture this Forum tends to promote. Having said that some members have mirrored some of her comments. :)
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Agreed, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I doubt it has done any damage, it's hardly Lonely Planet!
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Couldnt find anything on Calis on that site, must be well hidden.
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Originally posted by Tonya
Couldnt find anything on Calis on that site, must be well hidden.
It comes under the Fethiye link on the map. Wouldn't bother though it's a poorly laid out site with very little useful information.
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Thanks Phil, finally found it. Hmmm, she does sound a little snooty doesnt she, apparently Altinkum has kept its naivete - what the heck does that mean.
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She`s just another estate agent in disguise.
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Disguised as someone who thinks she knows what she is talking about ;)
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:) Looks like you have blocked Turkey twinkles, cos I cant click on it, Was it that crap,? or do they just not like Calis, Tough. ;)
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No blocked Laffo, you need to copy it into your browser. She doesn't like Calis, no lol
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:) Pointless me doing that then,
1. Because I can't.
2. Because I would rather wear my fingers down posting to someone I can have a laugh with. Tamam. ;)
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I agree to most of the comments on our last stay we felt Calis had been over built and the beach look dirty ,I thought the local council had promised to supply a tractor & trailer to clean the beach .
We chatted to a couple who had been on the beach for the first time and they said they would not go back due broken glass & litter left around .
Its a shame as the beach forms part of most peoples holiday and if you don't have a clean beach you will get left behind and the hotels will suffer in the long term .
Brian
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The opinion is over 3 years old, with nearly 4,000 members it was only found today - says how important it is.
A window with a vertical scroll bar in the middle of a page with a vertical scroll bar, that makes for easy navigation :)
I don't like that site ;)
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Originally posted by laffa
:) Pointless me doing that then,
1. Because I can't.
2. Because I would rather wear my fingers down posting to someone I can have a laugh with. Tamam. ;)
Tamam [^] :) ;)
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Originally posted by laffa
:) I would rather wear my fingers down posting to someone I can have a laugh with. Tamam. ;)
Laffz
You have to find somebody like that first. : :)
(http://www.telmessos.co.uk/smilies/chick_computer.jpg)
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:D ha ha ha ha ha ha arghhh. Not showing Kenny that one, I would never hear the last of it. Boss though. ;)
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: :) I wonder what the MALE equivalent of a female computer is then.....:P: :):D
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I think what she says about Calis is quite fair actually. It is in a great setting and has so much potential, but needs a makeover- it is a bit tatty.
Jenny.x.
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The TV Remote what else, men have it attached to them like its a part of their body!!!
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Anyway; Calis- Has it lost its appeal?
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Not to me......
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Sorry if this is off topic again Scunner, but this woman specifically mention Letoon and both Mrs H and I are sure we have seen her there more then once.
My opinion - her views on Calis are overstated.
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Interesting? She slags Calis off yet cunningly says it has potential (so she can still get a sale).
Too 'nice' a smile for me:D
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:D Crying out loud, whats she selling, candy floss, its not an english person we are talking about is it.!
I still smile , nothing to gain, nothing to lose, I just love my holidays in Calis, charm or no charmers. ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
Anyway; Calis- Has it lost its appeal?
:o DEFINITELY NOT :o A big part of it's charm is that it is NOT (& hopefully never will be) Marbella or anywhere like it. It's still REAL :) Warts & all..... :)
If I want to go somewhere to wear & parade 'labels etc' they are a-plenty. It's a beautiful rare freedom, to be able to go somewhere that you don't NEED or, even feel the need, to play 'Artificial Ascetics' all the time.
Nothing wrong with wanting to help improve general hygiene issues etc (which we have created) but for goodness sake, after finding somewhere is this world that really does still have a heart & soul, don't spend your time & energy criticising & planning to change it....:(
Move or Don't Go....
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See she has more crap on Fethiye Times dated today.
http://www.fethiyetimes.org.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=viewid=991itemid=112
Is your Overseas property 'hot to trot' ?
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"Property Coach and Advisor"
PMSL
Says it all
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"Can you imagine your buyer?"!
Who cares, has he got enough dosh? Yes, then I've done all the imagining I need to :)
A page of waffle that ultimately tells you nothing, apart from that you just wasted 5 minutes of your life that you will never get back.
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Only just seen that bit - WTF is a "property coach" a classy name for leeching cash I guess. I must agree, her site does nothing for me either and considering she's promoting herself as some sort of guru, I think it's a pretty poor show.
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I recall a programme on UKTV Gold where a husband & wife team of "Life Coaches" told people how to be better in everyday life.
Apparently you have to smile, and shake lots of hands confidently. Then you pay them £2000. Then shake their hand (confidently).
Their role appeared to be to make you question your inner self. It is quite easy. Whatever the problem, you have to ask "what could you do about that?".
For example:
"What do you think is holding you back?"
"I have incredibly bad facial acne"
"What do you think you could do about that?"
"I could buy some clearasil"
"Correct, here's my invoice"
The addition of "coach" to any industry other than sport is to be avoided.
Anyway; Calis - Has it lost its appeal? I had no idea it lost the first case.
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Lot's of interesting replies to my original post.
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:)Just had a look on that site, I reckon she owes me money for reading it. ;)
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Originally posted by laffa
:) I agree with all of the above posts, Even the one about Laffa ;) After going to Spain this year for a 3 day break, I was amazed to see how much cheaper it was, and cheaoer and quicker to get to. Not that I want to start going there, but the prices are far cheaper for meals, drinks, even gifts. But dont you find we hear the same thing every year in Calis, about not being busy I have been listening to the same thing regularly now for the past 7 years at least. And yes people staying by the pool does account for alot of trade dying down, but another thing I have noticed is if for example you are coming off the beach at the best time of the day, 6.30ish, they are laying the tables for the evenings trade and you dont feel quite comfortable just asking for a coffee, I think Calis front would do well with a good coffee shop,and a clean beach.
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Been back to Calis twice this year so far - one thing I dislike about Calis beach is the lack of cushions on the sunbeds. I am a 'back sufferer' and find that after 20 minutes my back is either completely numb or I start to sieze up - not the most confortable of things. Think I will have to take my own roll up in September - marvellous - something else my other half will try cramming into a back pack - be taking a tent next!!
Apart from that the fact that it is not a busy beach is half the appeal.
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I have just returned from two weeks in Xanadu Hotel in Belek. While the hotel was wonderful, best I have been to in years. Belek is a lifeless concrete town. It makes me appreciate my apartment in Calis. Cannot wait to get back there.
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:)We too have been to many Turkish destinations including Istanbul, No matter where we go, even if its not Turkey, I can't help but comparing it with Calis, which obviously make me very biased, I have got the bug, and thats that. ;)
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GarynDen most of the reaturants on the front will supply cushions if you have a drink, lunch etc.
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having just arrived back from Calis I must admit
Yes they are pricing themselves out of the market
I would call it greed
those are my opinions and I am sticking with them
Ron 8)
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:) In what respect do you mean Ron, is it the bar and meal prices.
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I mean everywhere in Calis is expensive, it seems to be a circle of events, landlords charge more for bar/restraurant leases as they see the price of land going up,bars need to cover this cost so up with the prices.
Ron
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Just got back from a fortnight in Fethiye. Went to Calis a couple of times, but apart from the odd restaurant, we thought it was all looking very tatty and in need of a good revamp. I must admit if I arrived there on holiday, and had not been there before and didn't know the surrounding area etc, I would be really disappointed.
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Originally posted by GrantT
Just got back from a fortnight in Fethiye. Went to Calis a couple of times, but apart from the odd restaurant, we thought it was all looking very tatty and in need of a good revamp. I must admit if I arrived there on holiday, and had not been there before and didn't know the surrounding area etc, I would be really disappointed.
You should have seen it years ago! ;)
It was full of shack type buidlings up the front. Loved it though :)
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If you look on Google Earth, the latest data available on there looks to be a couple of years ago and there's lots of empty land all over Calis. A complete contrast to now.
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The shop/bar/restaurant/hotel/apartment owners in Calis are business people who look to make a profit over a fairly short period. I do not think prices in Calis are expensive, given the many other advantages of the resort, and in comparison with UK prices. Perhaps some UK tourists have never got over taking advantage of poorer economies and resent having to pay 'the going rate' as conditions for the indigenous population in tourist destinations improves. A break in Calis is still better/cheaper/warmer than one in any UK holiday resort.
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It's still more expensive than other places in Turkey no matter how you dress it up John.
We still love it though, but find ourselves venturing further afield with every visit.
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well said Anne, am sure you noticed it like i did last week
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Yes it's got more expensive but haven't we house buyers contributed to that in some way? Many of us bought because the homes were such good value and rejoiced when we saw them increase in price. We've helped fuel the inflation that we are now complaining about.
For what it's worth I still think it represents good value. OK the ones on the prom might have gone up a bit but we found shopping around and using Fethiye to eat were good options.
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8)Still cant deny the fact it's more expensive, we never used to look at the menu prices, We do now.
I dont think you can compare it with the UK, its other hol;iday destinations abroad or even in other parts of Turkey that people are comparing it with. ;)
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I havent read all of this, but has anyone complained about the value of their property going up?
Tink
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Agree that Calis businesses are hiking their prices - but still a long way to go before they catch up on the costs of efes 'over the hill'- Ovacik etc etc - last time we were there 4.5 for an efes - the meals were equally inflationary
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You will be happy to know then that there are places in Calis charging 5tl for Efes already,whether the price of my house goes up or down doesnt matter to me I bought it because we fell in love with the area Koca Calis that is, we have no intention of selling either
Ron
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We were there in June and never paid more than 3l for a large beer?
is that what we base our appeal to Calis on now, The Efes Price Index?
Tink
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:)Not based on the Efes price Tinks, but it does go a long way to the enjoyment of your stay, ;)
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We have been coming to Calis for 2 years so can only comment during that time and yes the beach is not the best kept, prices have gone up, new builds continue but for us the charm of Calis is priceless. We were at our apartment in June and on the flight home we were already counting down for our return in September, it just seems to tug at our heart strings and long may it continue. So to "old"friends and new see you in September.:D 8) :) ;)
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:)Think it would be a good idea for all those with the power to change things should be reading this forum, then hold a meeting, in the meantime, see you soon, ;) They've been having the same conversation for twnty years, its a case of slow slow, quick quick slow, anyone getting up.:P
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14 years of visiting Calis has left me without any basis for comparison on food/drink costs(other than all points between Calis and Olu Deniz).I doubt that any other resort could beat the varied aspects that appeal to me and brings me back year after year. There seems to be genuine concern that Calis has become expensive. So,to put it to the test, I have booked Betiz for 14 days in September. This resort was recommended to me on the Forum last year but due to the 'pull' of Calis and good flight prices from First Choice I did not go. Any comments/advice on Betiz?
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I've been to Bitez, near Bodrum, but it was about 7 years ago, i didn't like it, you had to go into Bodrum for any nightlife, or just stay in the hotel, it may have changed like everywhere else. Alan
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We have been going from Inverness-shire to Fethiye ( Gunlakbasi)4 times a year and the price of food or Efes is not a consideration, if it was we would not have bought a place to live in when we are out. The
area is stunning and the people are exceptionally friendly and that is why we choose to go there. If there is a down side the local authorities do need to slow the building down because it would appear that the
supply far out ways the demand. It is time for them to take stock and finish off roads and developments
so that new visitors to the area can see it for the beautiful place it is.
Peter
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:)I dont think anyone is actually complaining, I think its just observation of whats going on around us,my friends and ourselves have seen huge change in the last twenty years, but it does not detract from the fact that we all love Calis and the people.Why else would we still be going. ;)
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well said laffa we have only discovered calis 3 years ago but bought a villa and don't regret any of it love calis more and more each time we visit
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:DNot blowing a trumpet or that, but we have been to alot of places but I still get a nose bleed if I am away from Calis for six months,I think thats about the longest we hav'nt been.I would give you my last rolo to go. ;)
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Originally posted by tinkerman
I havent read all of this, but has anyone complained about the value of their property going up?
Tink
You missed my post then:D
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Originally posted by legless
You will be happy to know then that there are places in Calis charging 5tl for Efes already,whether the price of my house goes up or down doesnt matter to me I bought it because we fell in love with the area Koca Calis that is, we have no intention of selling either
Ron
You can drink in Koca Calis for a lot less that 5ytl!! And where exactly in Calis do you get charged 5ytl a pint? You must be a posh git:D
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:) I know one place Stoop, but it depends on his mood what he charges, it changes from day to day. ;)
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Originally posted by laffa
:) I know one place Stoop, but it depends on his mood what he charges, it changes from day to day. ;)
Ohhh laffa, more details pleaseee :D ;)
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Does the price go up or down when you walk in laffa:D
Tink
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i got back friday night and would say there were more people there this year then last year, and both years i went at the sametime.
Some of the prices have gone up but thats nothing different, that happens every where you go. Things may change next year if the voting goes the way the locals dont want it to go.
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We have been visiting Calis for four years now. This year was noticably different - very much quieter. However, we had to remind ourselves that in the past we have visited for the first two weeks of August which is obviously going to be busier than the first two weeks of July! Just got back after two weeks and trade starting to pick up a little. You could actually see the prom getting busier each evening after Friday when the schools broke up. What was very strickingly obvious to us was the standard of food and portions !! Certainly down on previous years. We narrowed our choice down to three or four places along the front that were still worth going to. We also noticed how noisy the traffic along the Calis Fethiye road is now, which it did not used to be. As tourists get more comfortable with an area so they will venture farther (and away from Calis perhaps to explore quieter/different places). I also think that people are getting greedier and therefore the bargains are not available as they used to be. This is the price we pay for bringing tourism to an area! Having said that - I just love Calis, the people, the place, the weather.
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Am coming out on Thursday so will be able to tell if things have gone up but if you compare prices (alcohol) with the UK or any major holiday destination or European city Calis prices are cheaper and the measures are greater, certain areas of Spain are cheap but that's to attract the younger crowed and I am sure you don't want gangs of 18 year olds staggering around on the front. 8)
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Well said trainer, it's bad enough seeing some of us older ones staggering along the front,lol. Alan
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Brandi,I have to disagree with you on your use of the word 'comfortable'. I would regard this as a reason to return to an area rather than move on(unless you mean bored). I have been coming to Calis for the past 14 years,my last visit being June this year. I have decided to visit another resort in Turkey in September rather than take my usual second break in Calis. I simply have to find out if an other resort offers what, in Calis, suits me and my wife. I am looking for something to make a comparison with because recently there has been increased criticism of many aspects of Calis(mainly prices)which I do not agree with. Your use of 'greedier' I do agree with as many UK tourist seem to resent the aspirations of Calis busines people/staff to improve their living standards by asking tourists to pay a little more for goods/services each year. This is inflation which happens worldwide. As far as I am concerned Calis still represents excellent value for money.
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Originally posted by John H
Brandi,I have to disagree with you on your use of the word 'comfortable'. I would regard this as a reason to return to an area rather than move on(unless you mean bored). I have been coming to Calis for the past 14 years,my last visit being June this year. I have decided to visit another resort in Turkey in September rather than take my usual second break in Calis. I simply have to find out if an other resort offers what, in Calis, suits me and my wife. I am looking for something to make a comparison with because recently there has been increased criticism of many aspects of Calis(mainly prices)which I do not agree with. Your use of 'greedier' I do agree with as many UK tourist seem to resent the aspirations of Calis busines people/staff to improve their living standards by asking tourists to pay a little more for goods/services each year. This is inflation which happens worldwide. As far as I am concerned Calis still represents excellent value for money.
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well i have just got back this morning from two absolutely fantastic weeks in calis! the weather was great the people are so friendly and the whole surrounding area is just totally beautiful! it wasnt as cheap as i thought it was going to be but still a lot lot cheaper than the uk!!!my family and i absolutely loved calis and couldnt find anything to complain about! the beach wasnt dirty as read earlier and everyone was just so friendly and helpful couldnt fault a thing and am definately going to try and go back again next year to see people that we met whilst here ie george at serkul 1 and dustin hoffmans double at obens restaurant (both had lovely food and friendly smiles each and every day)
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Glad you had a great time - It's nice to read rather than doom & gloom.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it! Is Guven still using the old 'Dustin Hoffman'line? LOL. I suppose George told you about his hair transplant as well!
Another Calis convert!
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Although we have been coming to Calis for 12 years we never tire of it. It certainly hasn't lost it's appeal for us. We love it and hopefully one day it will be our home. We have made some good friends there both Turkish and English, and everytime we come over it is like home from home.We were over in May this year and are back again in October and it Can't come quick enough. :) :)
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Originally posted by stoop
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Is Guven still using the old 'Dustin Hoffman'line? LOL. I suppose George told you about his hair transplant as well!
Another Calis convert!
yes still using the dustin hoffman line :) and yes george did tell us about his hair transplant and showed us the photos on his phone too lol
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as a youngster when it comes to visiting Calis (this will be our 5th visit, managed two visits last year) i can say that it has not lost its appeal with my husband and i, and my brother who never goes to the same place twice has been three years running. so i think that the answer probably is "no not with everyone". three weeks today and the bags will be packed, passport checked and keys picked up from our landlord for the fortnight, well i hope so anyway Pam/Tom if you are out there reading this.
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An article in today's Turkish Daily News.
It looks like there is plenty for everybody. All the authorities and people relying on tourism, whether it is in Calis, Izmir or Trabzon,have to do is get their house in order.
Growth in tourism revives 48 supplier sectors
Thursday, August 9, 2007
The positive development in tourism sector, one of the leading sectors in Turkey, affects 48 sectors, particularly the sector of food, detergent, ceramics and drinks. The sales by the suppliers to the hotels have doubled in the last six years, reaching $4 billion.
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ANTALYA - Referans
The tourism sector has entered a rapid growth trend in recent years with new hotel investments and the increasing number of tourists, and created new opportunities for hundreds of companies from several other sectors such as detergent, food, pool chemicals, ceramics, industrial kitchen production and textile. In parallel with the growth in tourism, approximately 48 sectors that provide service and products for hotels have started to rise.
According to the Turkish Statistical Institute's figures, the size of the giant industry behind the $1.8 billion tourism sector has reached $4 billion this year.
Turkish tourism has entered a period of change in the last six months. The bed capacity of hotels has increased with new investments while a range of guest related service has also developed. Furthermore, the profile of the tourists is also beginning to change with opening of ultra luxurious seven-star hotels. Along with the increase in the number of tourists, this development has resulted in the growth of a giant industry supporting the tourism sector. Several suppliers have initiated new investments to meet the demand of the hotels and others accommodating tourists, and companies focusing on Research & Development (R&D) have earned most.
Black market production is also experiencing a rise on the supplier side, creating serious competition.
Means of living for 500,000 people
Total bed capacity has risen from 595,000 to 800,000, with a particular increase in five-star hotels. The number of tourists has also increased from 11 to 20 million. Among the 48 sectors that support the tourism sector are food, meat, alcoholic and nonalcoholic drinks, glass, industrial kitchen, textile, cleaning, pool chemicals, ceramics, cereal, plastics, vegetable and animal oil, and metal goods. The sector provides the means of living for 500,000 people in Antalya, where 30,000 beds are added every year. Approximately 225,000 people work in companies that provide service and goods for hotels.
Meat products consumed most
A hotel buys 2,800 types of products on average a year. Meat and meat products are the most consumed by hotels and restaurants to meet the demand of travelers and tourists, accounting for 15 percent of Turkey's annual total consumption of 1 million tons of meat. Antalya consumes approximately 20,000 tons.
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Suppliers of industrial cleaning materials are also among the companies that benefit highly from the tourism sector. These companies supply approximately 200 products, such as bleacher liquid, pool disinfectant and special sterilization materials. Meanwhile, industrial kitchen manufacturers are experiencing a higher demand thanks to the new hotel investments. There are 140 companies in Turkey making up the industrial kitchen sector, which tries to meet the demand for new kitchen installations as well as dealing with new replacement projects. Sales to hotels and restaurants constitute 40 percent of profit for the industrial kitchen suppliers, a sector which employs 23,000 people.
The ceramics sector, which is the least impacted by tourism according to research done in previous years, is now experiencing better prospects due to new hotel investments. Companies that sell alcoholic and nonalcoholic drinks are also among the largest suppliers of hotels in Turkey, where 32 percent of alcoholic drinks and 28 percent of nonalcoholic drinks are consumed at establishments accommodating tourists and travelers.
A first class holiday resort consumes approximately 300 kilograms of meat and fish products in a day, and 480 kilograms of vegetable are used in cooking. Some 100 kilograms of flour, 40 kilograms of granulated sugar, 600 kilograms of melon and watermelon, 350 kilograms of fruit are also among the consumed products. In an average hotel, 22 kilograms of detergent, 400 units of 20 gram-shampoos, 250 soaps, and 450 rolls of toilet paper are required in a day.
The burden of the black-market production increases
In line with the increasing demand, suppliers' distress in regards to the black-market has increased. The black market has become a grave problem for companies, particularly those in the food production sector. The number of the poor quality products in the market has been gradually increasing, said Altin Et Chairman Ahmet Acar, adding that hotels are inclined towards cheaper products to reduce costs.
"Unregistered meat production is made predominantly with bone and cartilage. Hotels buy bone thinking that they have bought minced meat at a lower price," said Acar. It is the same for pool chemicals. Some companies have started to change sectors due to the black-market. Hotels have started to buy cheap products to reduce costs, said Levent Kimya Chairman Güngör Peksen. "The sector should form a mechanism for controlling [black-market activity] as soon as possible," said Peksen.
Those creating variety will win
There is heavy competition among the suppliers of the tourism and hospitality sector, said Mediterranean Association of Touristic Hoteliers (AKTOB) Chairman Osman Ayik, adding that the sector is creating new opportunities. "Development in the industries that provide services for the tourism sector has created new opportunities for many investors. Many areas that the tourism industry will trigger are very open to growth. Conceptual development can be made in every area. It is possible to grow in the market by means of developing special software, and producing different equipment for industrial kitchens based on R&D findings," said Ayik. He added that companies that supply products for the tourism sector should work in a tightly organized fashion, Ayik added. " The sector develops very rapidly, and there is a huge demand. The demands have to be met quickly. There has been active work for approximately seven months. Renovation and planning should dominate [their activities] in the remaining months of the year. There will be breakdowns unless the companies that provide the sector with products renovate themselves rapidly," said Ayik.
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As a new member to this forum I can admit to not having as much knowledge and wisdom as the other members here who have spent many years visiting Calis Beach and even residing there.
But after reading through this particular topic I feel I can make a contribution. 4 years ago we were offered the chance to use our friends Palm Beach appartment free of charge. My parents had never considered going to Turkey on a family holiday, and we knew very little about the country.
For a then 14 year old, like myself, it was going to take a lot on Turkeys behalf to get me to enjoy the place. That was 4 years ago and we've just returned from Calis again this Monday gone. We've been every year since. It never took a lot for me to fall in love with it, litter and all, it's simply an awesome place. And that must be something coming from a 17 year old.
Even my 13 year old sister adores the place, she's made so many friends with restaurant staff on the promenade and even causing a stir when she wears her Fenerbach shirt!
I've certainly had my fair share of adventures in Calis, and quite frankly you've got to look past the cosmetic stuff that "puts tourists off" and enjoy it for what it is underneath.
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Well Charlotte - that was a great 'first' contribution.
A warm welcome to the forum and please continue to come on and let us know what you get up to in Calis - within reason!
Stoop ;-)
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We only visited Calis for the first time last year and loved it. We had been to Alanya years before and hated it and vowed we would never go back to Turkey but my good friends purchased a villa there and insisted we go and that we would change our mind. How right were they. We loved Calis and we went back again this year. I don't know what it is about the place it just makes you feel comfortable and at ease so they can increase their prices and do whatever but it won't change my opinion - Calis is a lovely place to be, cheap prices or dear prices who cares!!
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When you travel, remember that a foreign country is not designed to make you comfortable. It is designed to make its own people comfortable.
Tink
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Originally posted by stoop
Well Charlotte - that was a great 'first' contribution.
A warm welcome to the forum and please continue to come on and let us know what you get up to in Calis - within reason!
Stoop ;-)
Thanks Stoop for my welcome, I really like these boards and it's nice to se what other people think of Calis.
While I agree with what you have said Tink I think the people of Fethiye do as much as they can to make you feel comfortable in their country as well. Or at least that's what I've encountered.
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of course they do Charlie, it comes as second nature to them and we as a nation could learn a lot from them in humility, they are a wonderful people but the problem comes when we expect it of them.
Tink
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Hi Charlotte
If I do my maths correct that makes you eighteen and you've already been four times so that makes you a mini veteran!
So glad you like it. We first came in August 1989 so not sure if you were born then?
It's like a drug this place ( a pleasant one of course
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:)
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Thanks Jukebox I'm nearly eighteen not long to go now!
And I see you're from Leeds, I'm right on your doorstep from Bradford then!
I hope to continue visiting Calis for many years to come as there is still so much I haven't discovered yet! I am looking to go back for New Year so fingers crossed!
I am interested to know though from anyone who is willing, in your opinion has Calis changed in any way, good or bad? Obviously there has been plenty of building work over the years but for example has the litter problem surfaced recently or has it been an issue for a few years?
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It changes every year Charlotte, you make friends in one bar, the following year some of the staff have gone somewhere else, so you go and visit them, and so on, in the end you can't remember much of the night, i'm just glad i saw the error of my ways, i got fed up of staggering home at 5 in the morning, now i drink a couple more so i don't remember getting home, cos it don't make any difference how bad you get, you always wake up in bed, or a field, lol. Alan
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:D No fields left now Alan,so where have you been sleeping. ;)
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Aaah so it all depends on alcohol consumption does it Alan?? ;)
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Alan, you really make me laugh!
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Small area of grass next to Scarletts ;)
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Tink
What is wrong with my feeling comfortable and relaxed there, surely the people who live there would want that of visitors as well as themselves.
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Originally posted by cef
Small area of grass next to Scarletts ;)
8) Must be a very small area Cef.:P