Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: mark swift on January 13, 2008, 06:24:08 AM
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Hello all
i have introduced myself quite a while ago, but once again my name is Mark and I have built a villa in Uzumulu close to the village, my friend built one at same time on a plot next to me. we both used same builder, they were completed last April, since then I have been concerned that we only have One electric meter which supplies both villas, the builder tells me this is normal till electric company allow seperate supplies and and seperate meters, which he says can be up to another 2 years, in the mean while a bill comes to me and we have to kind of split what our usage is between the 2 villas.
I am still argueing with builder and told him this is not right, we bought seperate plots of land, both with builing permission which obviously includes power and water supplies.
Is anybody else in this situation, or has been in this situation as the buider says this is standard practice in Uzumulu.
Rgds
Mark
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Do you have your TAPUs yet? If you have, are the plot numbers different?
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Hi Mark, I have a semi detached villa near the centre of the village, it was built 5 years ago. We have one supply from the electricity pole but have seperate meters for each villa, but it only one plot divided in half with each owner havinbg TAPU for 50% ownership. If you have seperate plots you should have seperate supplies and this would proberly have happened if there were two seperate builders, sounds if he's trying it on to save himself a paying for two supplies. Perhaps someone else on the forum might be able to explain how to get another supply put in and how much ! Did you have a contract? Good luck. Paul.
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yes seperate TAPUs and we do have them, and yes both seperate plots
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Originally posted by KayaKoyuOldBoy
Do you have your TAPUs yet? If you have, are the plot numbers different?
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You should have seperate meters if you have seperate Tapus and plot numbers.
Fi
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Dear Mark, the builder is lieing but hey there is no such thing in Turkey as standard practice!We are in a complex of 9 villas - none of the 9 centrally located meters relate to the appropriate house! Our bill for our electric usage comes in a neighbours name! I have tried to sort out the problem for the past 18 months but without success. I now just live with it and pay our bill but in someone elses name! If the builder won't help you could try to find an approved electrician to install a separate meter - but you will end up paying. Welcome to the joys of Turkish life!!! Good Luck
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I have an apartment in Üzümlü on a complex of 10 which were built on 2 plots we have all had our own meter's from day one plus a depot for communal electric the builder is pulling your wotsit !!
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Hey, mr Tippet, how ya doin', where've you been all this time? :D
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Dear Carlan, I'm fine. I've been hibernating in front of the fire and watching Sky! Happy New Year to you.
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Dear Carlan, I'm fine. I've been hibernating in front of the fire and watching Sky! Happy New Year to you.
Nowhere nicer than the fireside when the winter is upon us! :)
Happy New Year to you too Mr Tippet. Take care.
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cheers thanks for the info
rgds
mark
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Originally posted by batman
Hi Mark, I have a semi detached villa near the centre of the village, it was built 5 years ago. We have one supply from the electricity pole but have seperate meters for each villa, but it only one plot divided in half with each owner havinbg TAPU for 50% ownership. If you have seperate plots you should have seperate supplies and this would proberly have happened if there were two seperate builders, sounds if he's trying it on to save himself a paying for two supplies. Perhaps someone else on the forum might be able to explain how to get another supply put in and how much ! Did you have a contract? Good luck. Paul.
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Originally posted by batman
Hi Mark, I have a semi detached villa near the centre of the village, it was built 5 years ago. We have one supply from the electricity pole but have seperate meters for each villa, but it only one plot divided in half with each owner havinbg TAPU for 50% ownership. If you have seperate plots you should have seperate supplies and this would proberly have happened if there were two seperate builders, sounds if he's trying it on to save himself a paying for two supplies. Perhaps someone else on the forum might be able to explain how to get another supply put in and how much ! Did you have a contract? Good luck. Paul.
thanks for info Paul
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Dear Mark, the builder is lieing but hey there is no such thing in Turkey as standard practice!We are in a complex of 9 villas - none of the 9 centrally located meters relate to the appropriate house! Our bill for our electric usage comes in a neighbours name! I have tried to sort out the problem for the past 18 months but without success. I now just live with it and pay our bill but in someone elses name! If the builder won't help you could try to find an approved electrician to install a separate meter - but you will end up paying. Welcome to the joys of Turkish life!!! Good Luck
Hi Chris
I have held back on my final balance till meters are fitted to both villa's, builder is not happy
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dear Mark,not sure I understand your latest comment. I assume one bill which covers both properties is on its way - elec bills with us are next read last week in Feb - and I expect unless you have a very understanding builder you will have to pay it. Get both meters installed and take your initial reading with the builder and a witness. Hopefully this will sort the problem. All the best, Chris
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Originally posted by chris tippett
dear Mark,not sure I understand your latest comment. I assume one bill which covers both properties is on its way - elec bills with us are next read last week in Feb - and I expect unless you have a very understanding builder you will have to pay it. Get both meters installed and take your initial reading with the builder and a witness. Hopefully this will sort the problem. All the best, Chris
Hi Chris, sorry think I have miss led you, I have not paid the builder the final balance what is owed to build the villa, our contract says final balance paid on completion, so i said to the builder, the villa's are not complete till 2 meters are fitted and registered to the of each villa.
He says it is up to Tedas (elec Co) and could take some time, I said not my problem, he is not happy.
Rgds
Mark
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Its not up to Tedas. The builder installs the meters, then informs Tedas who come to inspect the installation and adopt the meter. Our builder installed a new meter, to replace the one he had been using during the build, on a Tuesday, he then informed Tedas who came up on the Friday and adopted the new meter.
Eric
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Originally posted by Eric
Its not up to Tedas. The builder installs the meters, then informs Tedas who come to inspect the installation and adopt the meter. Our builder installed a new meter, to replace the one he had been using during the build, on a Tuesday, he then informed Tedas who came up on the Friday and adopted the new meter.
Eric
Hi Eric
Thanks for this information.
Rgds
Mark
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Hi Mark, we have a theory that many builders deliberately fall out with their clients so that, in frustration, we take our problems elsewhere and end up paying to resolve the issue even though we have a 10 year builders guarantee. If you still owe the builder some cash you may, if you stand your ground, get the work done. If the builder won't budge you have no electricity and you will not get your tapu. People on this site wonder why I am so cynical about things here but your story, unfortunately, is typical of the many horrors that abound. I wish you well but, in my opinion, everything here is stacked against us and weighted in favour of the Turks.
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Hi Mark, we have a theory that many builders deliberately fall out with their clients so that, in frustration, we take our problems elsewhere and end up paying to resolve the issue even though we have a 10 year builders guarantee. If you still owe the builder some cash you may, if you stand your ground, get the work done. If the builder won't budge you have no electricity and you will not get your tapu. People on this site wonder why I am so cynical about things here but your story, unfortunately, is typical of the many horrors that abound. I wish you well but, in my opinion, everything here is stacked against us and weighted in favour of the Turks.
Hi again Chris
I purposely held back on some cash for those reasons, I do also have my Tapu so no problem there, we are also connected with all utilities no problem there, but the electric is one common meter to both villas, it is quite old , so i suspect it is the one he used for the build, I expect 2 seperate meters from the mains supply to be fitted and registered with Tedas otherwise he doesn't get paid the rest of his money, so hopefully I still hold a few cards yet.
Rgds
Mark
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Hi Chris, I dont think you are cynical, I think you speak the truth, unfortunately your comments dont go down well with some people.
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Mark, you have played the game very well. Better than most. Isn't it a shame we have to resort to these measures to get things done here? One day the Turks will learn.
Sporran, thanks for your comments. I think I said many,many months ago on here I am just trying to put some perspective on things to enable people who are perhaps thinking of moving here to get a balanced view.
If you know what may lie ahead you can be better prepared. Nothing p****s me off more here than hearing about us Brits being ripped off and our good natures being taken for a ride.
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Originally posted by chris tippett
One day the Turks will learn.
Mr Tippett, What a condescending git you are. I think the Turks have learned and are treating you as you deserve.[:(!]
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Dear Kenkay, I note you are writing this from Manchester? I assume you come here for the occassional week or 2 on holiday? Very nice. When you have lived here for some time you will understand where I am coming from and your views may then have some validity.
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Chris,
It sounds absolutely awful for you, being ripped off and treated the way you say you have been. I can't imagine just how you get through. However, I think I have a solution.
Bugger off back to the UK.
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Sounds like the Tippett is winding people up again!!!
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Dear Scunner, may I remind you that Mark started this thread and he raised his concerns about his Turkish builder who, it sounds to me (and others), is trying to rip him off. I have tried to give my best advice and I have now been called 'a condescending git' by Kenray and told to 'bugger off' by you. Both these remarks add little to the discussion and are a sad reflection on the writers. I thought this was a discussion forum where views can be openly aired. Views are welcome provided they are in line with yours?
And Calvin, I am not winding anyone up just trying to add balance and perspective.
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soz just trying to defuse situation
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I am disappointed that my remarks are a sad reflection on me.
Your remarks put you in a far more favourable light. I see that from the replies you invariably get when you moan eternally about the place you decided to up sticks and move to. Even the Uzumlu protest people requested that you shut up! Why are you here Chris?
Views are welcome, they don't have to be "in line with mine". I'm just thankful that none of them are in line with yours.
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no chris you are not a condescening git (how insulting)
you are saying what a lot of people here think. they talk among themselves but not on an open forum.
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Well you have certainly changed your tune since your "hello all just found this forum, i have been living here for 2 years and love the village and the people" introduction on the 8th December.
Which is it?
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Thank you Pegleg. I put on here what I think, and I agree with you, possibly what many people think, but they perhaps are wary of being so open. On this thread I have tried to help Mark and on the other thread on which I've commented (the Cement Factory) it could presently be said that my concerns are coming being borne out.
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Sounds to me like the Costa del Sol, people moving to get away from the UK then moaning that the electric bills should be in English and you can't get marmite.
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Oh dear - here we go again:(.
Chris, I don't think anyone is arguing that you don't have a right to voice your opinion - of course you do, the same as everyone else on this forum. As a bystander, and someone who likes to live and let live, I would like to add however that it does seem as though you don't have a good word to say for 'The Turks'. Now, I am sure this is not true, otherwise you would not have bought in Uzumlu, and I am sure you are a very nice person (lots have told me you are ;)), but I think it is your 'Victor Meldrew' approach that seems to grate with people. I wonder if you see a half filled glass or a half empty glass ? I personally think that you know exactly what to say to encourage the responses that you seem to attract :)
Chris, to prove your critics wrong, let us know all the positives that you see in Turkey, the positives that you saw and enjoyed and encouraged you to buy and move there.......go on, there must be some :) :)
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Dear Pookie, this thread was started by Mark to discuss a specific problem he was having with his builder and the electric meter. I don't know Mark and I did not ask him to post on here. All I did was try to offer a fellow Brit some constructive help and I've since been called a git, Victor Meldrew and told to bugger off out of the country! I DON"T BELIEVE IT !
This is Mark's thread on a specific subject and certainly not appropriate therefore to discuss my views on Turkey.
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Start another one then, we're all interested :D
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Scunner, I know we all have a lot of time on our hands and I notice that you proudly claim to be the "Chairman of the Bored' but there are a million better things to do than debtate my views on Turkey.
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No time to debate them but plenty time to bore us with them
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Oh how I love this forum. Even on a very foggy freezing night in the U.K. and after a bottle of red, it never fails to have me in fits. Keep it up chaps! Scunner you are a star:D
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Wrong Mr Tippett [:(!]. I have owned a Duplex in Calis since 2004. I have had a great deal of work carried out by Turkish tradesmen. However as I treat them with respect, I have NOT encountered a single problem. 8)
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Nothing personal in this but if Mr Tippet buggered of to the Uk as suggested would he become Mr Tippex[?] :)
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Originally posted by chris tippett
Dear Pookie, this thread was started by Mark to discuss a specific problem he was having with his builder and the electric meter. I don't know Mark and I did not ask him to post on here. All I did was try to offer a fellow Brit some constructive help and I've since been called a git, Victor Meldrew and told to bugger off out of the country! I DON"T BELIEVE IT !
This is Mark's thread on a specific subject and certainly not appropriate therefore to discuss my views on Turkey.
For gods sake Chris ! I was on your side, saying that you are not as people believe, and wanted you to prove them all wrong.....!! I surrender :(:-\
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cany you read scunner? we passed a comment.did not say anything about üzümlü or the turkish people. we still think we live in a very pleasant area and have a good relationship with the locals. and we think all that chris is saying,( beware of business men in suits)
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Apologies, I can't read. I don't know how I managed to set up this website at all, but being illiterate has never held me back.
My point (or at least one of the many that Mr. T seems to bring out in people) is that cryptically suggesting that all is not rosey in the valley and criticising "the Turks" who will "never learn" is a horrific outlook. How admirable that Chris has battled on through, with (to date) not a positive experience to share with any of us. Cheap sideswipes at an entire country of people ("the Turks") are worthy of reporting here, whereas the many pleasant experiences we all enjoy are not evident from him.
Mr. Tippett suggests that this is what all people are saying in private, but only he is prepared to bring it into the public arena. The truth is, he has brought nothing of the sort here, just the diluted suggestion that unnamed people might be irritating to deal with if you are British.
If there is a story, he can name names. Right here. They won't shoot him, if anything they'd probably shoot me. The never ending negativity without fact comes across as whispered bigotry without substance, can you tell me what that achieves, or who that benefits?
I would agree that in certain situations, business men in suits should make you wary. That isn't something specific to Turkey. If a man in a smart suit holding a clipboard knocks on your front door unannounced in the UK, his friend is generally in your bedroom, looking for the jewelery box :)
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a bit strange that this topic recieves 5 pages ,when a cry for help receives just one, perhaps some of this energy (sorry aggession) should be directed towards the cement factory?? lighten up life is to short
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Where's the aggression?
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When we bought our apt (in a block of 6) there was only one meter and we were told the seller would put in seperate meters for each apt. We did have to nag a wee bit but eventually this did happen. Unfortunately, they left two rooms on the communal meter so we still have a bit of sorting out to do. We bought in 2004 but we are nearly there now.
Whilst on the subject of tradesmen, getting things done and name and shame - we also had our roof replaced by Nedim which still needs him to come back and fix some teething problems. We have been trying now for over a year to get Nedim to come back - so if anyone reading this sees him - please ask him to go and see Laura's roof!!
I wish you luck getting the meters sorted out. It will eventually get done and I think you are in a good position in withholding some of the cash. My only advise is - forget how things happen in Uk and remember you are dealing with people who have different views and priorities. We worry about possession (I'm not saying that Turkish people don't) my point is that the Turkish seem to care more about people and relationships. However, frustrating it may be to get some work done, I think I prefer the Turkish people caring about people - perhaps we can all learn from each other. Good luck
And if you see Nedim - please send him to Melodi !
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Thanks for the info