Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: chris tippett on September 12, 2008, 14:10:59 PM
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I had wondered what the row of metal sheets were on the school railings; I was apalled this morning to see they are for advertising hoardings - the 1st ad is already displayed. What are the village elders doing? We have a day-glo Attaturk, old Turkish buildings cladded, endless advertising displays on the main road as you approach the village and now this!
I am all for moving the village forward but I am fearful the powers that be are getting things drastically wrong. They may feel this is the way to go to attract more Brits but these changes will alter the character and charm of Uzumlu and will have completely the opposite effect.
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Whatever next !!!
It`ll be proper roads and traffic lights soon, God forbid.
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Last time I was there I saw a villager with a "motor car". Another donkey off to the knackers then, all this progress is getting ridiculous.
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Chris, I agree. I think things can change but it would be good if it is done with a bit of thought.
We used to stay in a lovely old Spanish Pension. It was white with green shutters. Then they decided to modernise it. They put aluminium window frames in and cladded the outside and ruined it. I recon they could have spent the same amount to improve the place, still preserving the original look.
And anyway, I would prefer if they didn't attract more Brits......
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Originally posted by Rindaloo
And anyway, I would prefer if they didn't attract more Brits......
A case of "F**k you Jack, I`m alright"
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Crabbit, maybe you are right with that. Thanks for the comment.
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Perhaps they are raising money for the school??
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True, though my first thought was it might be for a bit of privacy.
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Thanks for that Crabbit, we've already got roads and electric lighting:(.
Perhaps some of us don't want to live in a second Challis, Hisaranou, Ovacik? Which is why we moved to a village?? When they start serving cocktails in the local village wine house and when some of the expat community start throwing water balloons and eggs at the local Turks (which happened a couple of nights ago)then something is definitely going wrong to the little village community/lifestyle.
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Blame the builders and the land owners (and Belidiye who allow it) who sold the land to build all the houses on. You can't have it both ways - if you build holiday homes and target expats then you cannot complain when they take over the village.
Every time I go up to Uzumlu I see more and more houses being bult. Until this is addressed then things will not get any better in my opinion.
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Peecee,
I agree with you.
Stunned with what you said about expats throwing water baloons & eggs at the local Turks!
Wonder who it was? Hopefully not expats who live here but some holiday makers, but that said either way it's deplorable.
Fi
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Stoop, agree and disagree - the Belediye were wrong to give so much planning permission (I could refer to my post re: the survey and lining pockets but won't!) but totally disagree when it comes builders/holiday homes. The builders are out to make money, as is their wont, but if it is just a holiday home, bought to make a profit, then the owners have no right to start complaining about the way of life/state of the village/lack of amenities.
At this moment there is only two buildings being completed in the village (one to be sold on, the other I don't know)
Personal opinion, I'm selfishly rather glad of the recession in the UK/worldside because it will make people think about buying here as 'an investment'.
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Yes, I agree Peecee. People should own property here because they love the village, not the potential investment.
As for the egg and balloon incident. Someone tell me it isn't true. What kind of creeps come here and do THAT. I really hope they don't live here OR own property here. It would be nice to think they never return.
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I wonder if people see the difference between WESTERNISING and MODERNISING? Progress happens, ex-pats/holiday home buyers or not. Why call it "westernising"? Can you really argue that old and quaint is Eastern and modern is western? A flash new bar isn't evidence of progress, it's evidence of westernisation? Absolute nonsense.
Maybe those who want to resist progress should have bought knackered old village houses and sympathetically restored them. A big five bedroom villa with beautiful blue pool and uPVC double glazing etc is totally acceptable but selling cocktails in a wine bar shows the decay of good old village life.
It's the same flawed argument as when those who dread the arrival of something like a MacDonalds in Fethiye. It is argued that it shows pandering to the wishes and needs of non-nationals, whereas the truth is that nobody cares to consider that TURKISH people may want this 'progress' too - OK for Brits in London but not for Turkish folk in their country.
I suppose some will resist any change that modern life brings to the area (apart from within their own private property borders of course, that's not up for debate) - and for those people, it's a real shame that you can't live in an old rock tomb and chase wild boar with home made spears.
Progress in Turkey will happen to some extent whether Brits live in an area or not. Resisting it can be seen as meddling, and I for one tend to agree with that. Much respect to those who chose a simpler life in Turkey, but if you think you can take the batteries out of someone else's clock, you may find they won't like it.
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As a person who said I hoped a McDonald's wouldnt show up in Fethiye, I feel you are taking things far too far. I was merely saying what I would prefer. I can only speak for me. Same as you can only peak for you. I can't stop what happens and if Turks or anyone wants anything like a Macdonalds or anything else, it will or will not happen.
I still have a right to an opinion on it though.
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Nobody is questioning anyone's right to an opinion, where did that come from?
I've given mine and that is that as welcomed immigrants into someone else's country, we shouldn't try to prevent progress for our own reasons. That's all I said.
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Scunner, what my thinking was behind this thread was that I don't want Uzumlu to end up like Calis.
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IF it is true that eggs and balloons were thrown at Turkish people in Uzumlu then perhaps it already has.:(
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Not at all, I have NEVER seen any such behaviour in Calis.
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Peecee. Speaking, i think for all expats and owners of land/villas in üzümlu did you actually see these eggs and water being thrown at local Turks or is it yet another maliscious rumour. i cannot and will not believe it is an expat (pensioners throwing eggs, come on get real).i know the üzümlü thread has been quiet but these sort of comments unless witnessed personally should not be banded around on this site
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Im with Goat man on this did anyone actually see who did this , the bar in Question is mainly used by the Turkish young men of the village , so should we say that they did these acts ? i think not !!!anyone who did see those things happen let them come forward and point fingers ,if not i think in my opinion they should not repeat tittle tattle regards Calvin
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Come on Scunner, what village needs a cocktail bar!!
Goatman, you're right, this is what I have heard and not actually witnessed. But I don't think it is the type of incident someone would 'make up' just for a topic of conversation.
Perhaps someone who witnessed it would like to verify this incident/behaviour then perhaps the people who were allegedly involved could think twice about their behaviour. What we all do here affects our standing in this community because, after all, we ARE the foreigners who have been welcomed into a community.
And Goatman it isn't just old wrinklies who live here, there are a few expats who are young people/teenagers/twenty year olds.
Anyway, I'm wrinkley but still in my fifties!! No foot in the grave as yet (God willing)
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i have been holidaying in üzümlü over the past 4 years and own land here. We all fall in love with it as it is away from the madding crowds. Unfortunately you cant keep a place like this a secret for long hence the ever increasing popularity with holiday makers and buyers. With the increase in visiters (mainly families) the villagers know they had to broaden their horizons over the summer to cater for everyone, hence cocktails, pool tables more cafes and takeaways. That is just common sense and natural progression. Fortunately come the winter üzümlü resorts to its village roots and is sheer bliss. if people bought and live here thinking nothing will change and no new establishments would open up then i think you need to open your eyes. Üzümlü is STiLL a lovely village with wonderful locals and expats but locals have to make money and the summer is when they can do it so lets just sit back in the summer with an Efes or 10 and chill out. i love Üzümlü!!!
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I think the commercialisation of Uzumlu, typified by garish and large advertising hoardings will, if continued, destroy the essential charm and quality we all initially saw in the village. At the end of the day we are guests here and the Turks will do what they think is right for them and the village.
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So when did you decide that? For years, the advertising hoardings and signs on the approach dual carriageway road from Fethiye into Uzumlu has looked like you are heading into a huge retail park rather than a quaint little Turkish village.
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Erm, what r u on Scunner????
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Hillbillies, civilisation waits for no man
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What am I on? :D
The dual carriageway where the petrol stations are, heading towards the roundabout where you would turn into the village centre, is lined with bloody adverts and hoardings and has been for years. I would expect to find Slough Trading Estate at the end of it, not a tranquil traditional village.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Hillbillies, civilisation waits for no man
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PARDON!!:-\
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He's saying you are hillbillies, and he further suggests that civilisation waits for no man.
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And i thought it was the swamp lands of Calis that i could hear the sound of duling banjos , Us hillbillies must have it wrong Here piggy piggy piggy!!!!
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Pardon?
:D
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For once I agree with Scunner! The advertising hoardings on the Uzumlu Rd now start miles down the hill - I think the first advertises Oscars Car Rental and gradually increase in number as you approach the village. It would appear this signage will now be in the village centre. These signs are gaudy, naff and imo will bring little or no financial benefit to the advertisers.
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"For years, the advertising hoardings and signs on the approach dual carriageway road from Fethiye into Uzumlu has looked like you are heading into a huge retail park rather than a quaint little Turkish village." -Scunner
"For once I agree with Scunner! The advertising hoardings on the Uzumlu Rd now start miles down the hill - I think the first advertises Oscars Car Rental and gradually increase in number as you approach the village. It would appear this signage will now be in the village centre. These signs are gaudy, naff and imo will bring little or no financial benefit to the advertisers." -Chris Tippett
Yes but the signs on the approach to Uzumlu are mostly new ones. I notice there are new ones leading to Kaya too. I can't say I have noticed advertising to the degree Scunner mentions along the Dual carriageway in Uzumlu. If there is, it is wasted on me.
On the whole I think this discussion is getting silly. We love Uzumlu, -don't we? By 'we' I mean us that live here.
But I think we are being baited by people who don't even live in this village.
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Goatman, you mention families going on holiday but surely, as a parent you should consider the needs of the younger members as well. OK, in Uzumlu you can now go and play pool and drink gallons of cocktails but otherwise this would be a pretty boring location for them. Surely, if it is a family holiday, you would choose a more lively location to entertain them?
It's all very well saying that in Winter it will return to quiet peaceful Uzumlu but the billboards on the school won't be taken down. What comes now is permanent. And the more 'entertainment' that arrives in the village the more madding crowds there will be.
As for civilisation what is civil about pool tables, cocktails bars, huge advertising?.
Interesting, Calvin, that you had heard about the alleged 'incident' as we socialize at different watering holes.
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My friend Erol was actually 'bombed' and was very upset by it that people could do such a thing. He told me that these people were local and live on the Cadianda Road.
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Originally posted by goatman
Peecee. Speaking, i think for all expats and owners of land/villas in üzümlu did you actually see these eggs and water being thrown at local Turks or is it yet another maliscious rumour. i cannot and will not believe it is an expat (pensioners throwing eggs, come on get real).i know the üzümlü thread has been quiet but these sort of comments unless witnessed personally should not be banded around on this site
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Voyageur by "local" can we take it that they were local Turks?
Fi
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Peecee
unfortunately we cannot stop people buying or renting to families. That is their choice and no one elses. They should do the homework first and consider what their children want, hence why most people who move here have retired.
i do know of several families who holiday here and love it. They do drive out alot to beaches etc to keep the kids happy but doesn't everyone. (especially if you want sand)
As for the billboards yes they are disgusting and serve no real purpose. i never said they did but it is the Turks we need to moan at not each other.
i have been told that the egg bombing incident was from the Catalik(?) cocktail bar which i was informed is only used by local Turks. i for one have never gone in there anyway and talking to some expats they too have never gone in there and are under the impression it wont survive. We will see.
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NO they were according to him English Do you really think Turks would make water bombs and throw eggs?
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Originally posted by Firo
Voyageur by "local" can we take it that they were local Turks?
Fi
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I remember in Spain in the '60's and '70's there were Veterano bulls in a lot of the fields and big hoardings advertising Coke and Soberano. When I went back a few years later and there weren't any, I missed them. LOL.
Here it seems to be the thing to clutter up the place. I think it is the Turkish way. I dispute Uzumlu (specifically) looking like the entrance to a trading park though. Ho hum.
As for who threw the eggs and water bombs. I hope it was a one off. If it happens again, I think it would be nice to know exactly who did it. Maybe we could feed them to the Kangal that is menacing people.....
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Originally posted by Scunner
I wonder if people see the difference between WESTERNISING and MODERNISING? Progress happens, ex-pats/holiday home buyers or not. Why call it "westernising"? Can you really argue that old and quaint is Eastern and modern is western? A flash new bar isn't evidence of progress, it's evidence of westernisation? Absolute nonsense.
Maybe those who want to resist progress should have bought knackered old village houses and sympathetically restored them. A big five bedroom villa with beautiful blue pool and uPVC double glazing etc is totally acceptable but selling cocktails in a wine bar shows the decay of good old village life.
It's the same flawed argument as when those who dread the arrival of something like a MacDonalds in Fethiye. It is argued that it shows pandering to the wishes and needs of non-nationals, whereas the truth is that nobody cares to consider that TURKISH people may want this 'progress' too - OK for Brits in London but not for Turkish folk in their country.
I suppose some will resist any change that modern life brings to the area (apart from within their own private property borders of course, that's not up for debate) - and for those people, it's a real shame that you can't live in an old rock tomb and chase wild boar with home made spears.
Progress in Turkey will happen to some extent whether Brits live in an area or not. Resisting it can be seen as meddling, and I for one tend to agree with that. Much respect to those who chose a simpler life in Turkey, but if you think you can take the batteries out of someone else's clock, you may find they won't like it.
I need to see a Doctor I actually agree with scunner !!! :o
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Voyageur if your friend Erol knows who did it why doesnt he point the finger or mention names as im sure we would all like to know. This sort of behaviour is not acceptable in the village
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Originally posted by voyageur
NO they were according to him English Do you really think Turks would make water bombs and throw eggs?quote:
Originally posted by Firo
Voyageur by "local" can we take it that they were local Turks?
Fi
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After extensive investigations, i have been informed that there was a water bomb party at the new cocktail bar owned by Metin ,things got out of hand as far as i can find out no EXPATS!!! or eggs were involved , as it has been stated before this bar is mainly used by young turkish lads,i think this finger pointing has gone far enough and this topic should be closed Calvin
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I'm so shocked reading this thread and the whole my dads taller than your dad mentality.... The UK has very little going in its favour at the moment but at least we've all get better things to do with our lives than join forums to discuss who's town or village is the best....and tittle tattle about progress
Why are you all vain enough to think this 'progress', 'westernisation', 'modernisation' whatever is being done to 'spite' you. Maybe the Turks want it this way, and you're the 'guests', so live with it, or come back to the UK, no - actually dont.....
I know there little in the way of employment, but havent you got better things to do in your new found Turkish lifestyles??
I would kill to be living there and would be doing a multitude of useful things with my life to give something back to such a fabulous country
so sad
If I had any egg bombs I know where I would throw them.... !!!! hehe
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Geordieboy
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Hey, we are ALL individuals. We all have different opinions about this village. We live here, we have a right to have opinions. I pesonally think the avertising is just the norm for Turkey in general. I Like the place as it is. As and when changes happen I will have opinions. And I would hate it if too many Brits moved here and took over the place. This was originally a small Turkish community and I am well aware of the positive AND negative impact we ex pats are having on this community. If too many come it will not be for the good of the original residents (and by that I mean Turkish residents).
My Turkish neighbours have likes and dislikes about this place too. And I am sure they wouldn't all agree with each other. Turks are individuals too
As I have said before, I love the Turkishness here. That's why I am living here and not in a more Brit populated area. Seems to me that an awful lot of people who don't live in this village are not only chipping in to critisise anything any of the residents say, they are also lumping us all together as if we all agree with each other. Basically we can't win. You have no idea how many of us do charity work for the good of the community. You don't know us at all. You make assumptions. You read some negative views and suddenly you assume we all think the same.
Kayakebab, one thing I would add is that you have bothered to read this thread and chip in. You say you would kill to live here. We broke our necks to live here. If you took the leap and came here I take it you would not have any opinions about the place. You would accept everything and just live doing good and when change happened you would shrug and say you have no rights to any opinions? Think about it.
And if you think all we do is sit on here and argue all the time, LOL! You have that totally wrong. We thoroughly enjoy the area, the people, our friends (be they British, German or Turkish), our garden, hobbies (and the computer :o ). Not all of us are negative minded. Not all of us want to change Turkey to suit us. But as and when things happen, we have as much of a right to have an opinion as you do where you live.
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Right,I'll try again,what exactly do the Foreign residents of Uzumlu want? On one hand they want to see the character of the village preserved,they've got thier little place in the sun,and they do'nt want any more buidings going up,one member puts forward the suggestion that people who own holiday homes should'nt have any say in the running of things.Sorry,it all sounds a bit selfish to me.
A suggestion was put forward in another thread on this forum that an ATM should be installed in the village,why?,I presume the majority of foreign residents drive into Fethiye for thier big shop,plenty of ATM's there.
I think the foreign residents should bear in mind that they,like myself,and countless other residents are guests in thier country.
Sorry,if I'me allowed to say so,its all starting to sound a bit Dad's Army'ish. :)
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Well said Rindaloo, couldn't agree more:D
Geordieboy, I assume you mean me when you thought a post meant holiday villa owners shouldn't have a say. That isn't what I meant at all. The point I'm trying to get across is that some if not all of us wanted to move to a rural village to live a quieter life - no bars blaring out music until 3am, no hordes of tourists wandering through the souvenir shops etc. Of course the home owners should have a say but if they bought homes here as an investment and as a potential money earner regarding rentals then perhaps a more lively location would have been appropriate.
All the local people and by that I mean the Turks not us, we are expats and will always remain so, would know where to go to buy things. Let's start asking some of them what they think of the advertising, cocktail bars etc. I have no problem with the new takeaways and hope they thrive because it is nice to have a choice but let's be sensible about this. This is a rural, farming village which is pretty and, so far, unspoilt. Do we OR the local population want to turn in into Hisaranou, Olu Deniz, Calis or anywhere commercial??[?]
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I have half made the leap, unfortunately has all gone horribly wrong...
I did look at Uzumlu, but would personally struggle to live in a nice villa surrounded by some very run down houses, let alone have a pool, but as people say its all about personal choice
the point is that the whole Fethiye area has good and bad points, like anywhere.
I live in Shoreham which is half way between Worthing and Brighton.
I grew up in Brighton and loved it, now I hate it, its changed out of all recognition, mainly because of the University, and a growing population of people from outside the area and its changed to meet what was assumed the new influx of people wanted
very few true Brightonians now live in Brighton because of this...... we've been 'edged' out because of change, we had no say in the changes, they just evolved. The people the changes were meant to serve love it.
But..... I certainly wouldnt waste my time on forums slagging off other parts of Sussex, and thats what I was referring to, yes I could have my opinions about changes in Brighton but I couldnt stop change just to suit me.
different things for different people, and sometimes if you dont like it then you have to move to somewhere that does suit.
If the Turkish people want to put up boards and spend time in cocktail bars then good luck to them.
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Kayakebab, I can only speak for me. I love it here. My Turkish neighbours all live in decent houses of varying styles and ages. None of their houses are crumbling. And one has a pool and objects to the water charges......
I am really sorry things have gone horribly wrong. We (by fluke) got out just at the right time. I hope that in the end things will work out for you.
In the Fethiye area there are varying styles of location. People can choose whatever they like. The barflies can choose livelier areas to live. We like this for its peace and nature. This thread has been an interesting look at how people can be prejudiced and judgmental. I am not referring to people living in Uzumlu.....
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"The barflies can choose livelier areas to live."
I agree they are not prejudiced and judgemental in Uzumlu.
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To Calvin 1949 Before you finaly close this subject after your extensive investigations did you interview the prime witness? I do not want my Turkish friend involved in this, he is not a liar and I quite agree this subject should be closed and hope it does not happen again.
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Originally posted by calvin 1949
After extensive investigations, i have been informed that there was a water bomb party at the new cocktail bar owned by Metin ,things got out of hand as far as i can find out no EXPATS!!! or eggs were involved , as it has been stated before this bar is mainly used by young turkish lads,i think this finger pointing has gone far enough and this topic should be closed Calvin
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Originally posted by teresa321
"The barflies can choose livelier areas to live."
I agree they are not prejudiced and judgemental in Uzumlu.
Teresa
You have a damn cheek coming back onto CBF after the numerous times you`ve slagged it off on those other pretentious "forums"
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I knew you would be straight in there - you are a martyr to his wit Stoop.
My only "crime" is to like Heidi and this forum will not tolerate that.
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Par for the course I guess Dave - after a two year absence and a sustained slating of CBF on a number of other forums, little quiet Teresa returns. As with other recent returnees, they normally only come back because they have something to sell, or want to plug someone or other's business.
Let's see.
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You can like whoever you want Teresa, you didn't need to smear this forum wherever you went - where have you been for two years anyway? Slagging off CBF couldn't have taken all your time.
Anyway, why did you decide to come back?
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I am disappointed with this but I suppose I should not be surprised. I don't think I have ever slagged this forum off, I used to enjoy it, recently I did make a comment about the way poor Janice was treated but did not mention this forum by name and I think you would find it hard to go back and find my "numerous comments" because the forum was of great use to me. I am not a "slagging off" sort of person, I try to think carefully before I post because forums can be so open to interpretation by the reader.
I suppose I try to keep in the middle and not take sides because I did not see anything and I genuinely like Heidi, so what can I say? Crabbitt always made my life hard on here so that is nothing new, he must have contacted you quick Keith to let you know I had posted..
I have no business to plug and nothing to sell but it is good to know I interest you so much you read my postings elsewhere. Perhaps I am infamous now.
Please feel free to delete me as I am obviously not welcome and I won't rejoin under another name.
I will keep to the other forums,as you say I have not posted for a long while.
Apologies to Uzumlu folk for getting you off topic but at least it is a bit of excitement for Sunday evening.
Adieu
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Sorry Keith, I saw your reply after I posted. I really do not believe I slagged it off, have you seen this yourself? I believe I know one post you are referring to some time ago.
I have continued to read the forum ever since I stopped posting, I just decided that I had nothing new to offer now i was living here in Stoop's utopia. You have to admit it is very quiet.
So no ulterior motive, I have not fallen out with Heidi and I have no gossip.
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Yes I did see it myself many times. I also saw a complete slating of an estate agent (competitor) friend of mine on one, who helped you when you needed assistance and refused to take anything for his troubles. I further noted that although it wasn't too quiet in Koca Calis for you to reply, you failed to say anything positive in his defence whatsoever.
I'm sorry you forget the postings you made slating CBF, the attacks and opinions that it was a place that was totally unwelcoming to newer members, but those of us doing our best to make it the best forum in Turkey (and we succeeded, whatever the sycophants try to convince themselves they have something better) and do you know, I'm big headed enough these days to admit we made a bloody good job of it here.
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Yes I did say it was unwelcoming to new visitors - I think you also said that yourself and asked people to be a bit nicer.
Regarding Cenk, who I think you are referring to, I do not disagree with anything you have said, he was extremely helpful and I sat an chatted with Olga a few weeks ago. I beleive I recommended him on here a few times, even though we did not use his services. However, what am I supposed to say when someone says something about him? I cannot say what happened and what didn't. Which is how I feel about your situation. While many members are prepared to believe everything they read I am a doubting Thomas. I need to feel/see for myself. I offer no comment because I don't know, unlike others who believe and spread.
I have thanked you in e-mails on a number of occasions in the past for the forum and the invaluable help it gave us. I moderated for a year on here, and I found it very hard as you know. The best bit was the moderator's private forum.
I have not seen you in the 2 years we have lived here, and more fool me, I would have actually thought we were on speaking terms, I had absolutely no idea I was a pariah of the CBF although I did notice that one mod blanked me so I suppose I should have guessed.
I rarely go to Calis so I don't keep up with everything.
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Originally posted by teresa321
The best bit was the moderator's private forum.
I enjoyed reading that as well. 8)
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Well, if someone I had recommended and found them "extremely helpful" when needed (your words) I would have said so when he was being torn apart. It's called balance, and it's called truth.
Anyway, I don't know which mod blanked you, it wasn't me. Not the "pariah" of CBF, just strange to me how life is so quiet that you couldn't think of a single thing to post for TWO YEARS but found plenty to talk about on Turkish Living.
Anyway, I'm on speaking terms with anyone who speaks to me and I doubt this is going anywhere.
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What about the Westernising of Uzumlu then, far more interesting...
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I agree with that, and it certainly was not you because as I said, I have not seen you since moving here. I do like TLF because it covers a larger area not just one town and in my opinion I get more news about "Turkey" as a whole, although I am sure you will probably disagree.
I stopped posting for no other reason than it was a habit and I fought to break it.
I must have posted last year though because I put on photos of my kitchen which was done in May 2007 and of the Mini Sands bar so it isn't 2 years since I posted. Perhaps my posts have been archived.
sorry again Uzumluites
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Originally posted by teresa321
I knew you would be straight in there - you are a martyr to his wit Stoop.
Hey - what have I done?
As for blanking you - if it was me then I apologise because I don't remember seeing you (I was over in Koca the other week).
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Can you two take your personal probs elsewhere please and get back on subject. ;) 8)
Ta very much
Fi
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I agree - Scunner/Tersesa - pack it in and let this get back on topic please :)
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Wonder why the Uzumlu thread always ends up a catfight?
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by teresa321
I knew you would be straight in there - you are a martyr to his wit Stoop.
Hey - what have I done?
I wondered that.
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Originally posted by Firo
Can you two take your personal probs elsewhere please and get back on subject. ;) 8)
Ta very much
Fi
Yeah, I agree.
Scunner, behave yourself, you act like you own this forum.
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Originally posted by voyageur
To Calvin 1949 Before you finaly close this subject after your extensive investigations did you interview the prime witness? I do not want my Turkish friend involved in this, he is not a liar and I quite agree this subject should be closed and hope it does not happen again.[]
8) I dont think i ever called anyone a liar , and i dont think i mentioned any names , i think this subject should be closed NOW!!!!
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Yeah OK