Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: minxer on July 13, 2009, 13:24:18 PM
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[:(!] sorry folks but theres been another one... last night sunday, earlly hours this morning 13/7 again dolphin roundabout,,, family walking home older mum dad, 2 daughters. car stopped ..threatened father and attempted to drag one of the girls in to the car. whole family been at the police station all night.. we need police sat on this corner till they find this lunatic.
family absolutely distraught.
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omg!!!! absolutely terrible.How can we force a police prescence.feeling very apprehensive now!!!!
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This is really upsetting me big time I cannot do anything about it but I speak fluent Turkish I live 5 mins from Gunlukbasi police station this is my number if you need help reporting anything like this please call me will be only too pleased to translate for you 02526133823
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its makin me feel angry and vengefull in a vigilante kind of way..i live almost next to this roundabout...we could do with a plant with a blackbelt. bang goes the safety in numbers theory feel so sorry for this family,particularly the father.:(
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Thats bad news, do we know if its the same old white merc vehicle
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That is bad news.We are in the final stages of selling up in UK & moving to Calis & now it is making me think hard about leaving UK.
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Thats terrible, my heart goes out to them,
and it certainly puts the safety in numbers theory right out the window,
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We hope to move to Calis one day. This spate of crime would not deter us, it seems like a few individuals that are the cause of these crimes, and they will get caught and punished. I see you live in Newcastle Kevin, is there no crime there? I don't know anywhere in the world you could move to that would not have some crime at one time or another.
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Yes there is crime in Newcastle but the same as most places you have hotspots.
I hope the person/s responsible are caught soon before someone is badly hurt.
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iam pretty sure that if a man or men repeatedly tried to bundle girls in to a car in the same place within the same month in the uk,it would make national news and a manhunt. maybe the police van that sits outside b52 most nights is at the wrong end of the street? just thank god these men havent been successfull in keeping hold of any of these girls.
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have been watching these threads and i can honestly say that the Police are not only a waste of time but will be accessories to a crime if this (these?) characters succeed. We've holidayed in Calis since 1996 and to be candid it is becoming a very unsafe place. The problem persists and the police let everyone down. People will start to go to other resorts/countries and it will serve Calis right! Is that really what the locals want? We live in Preston and we don't hear of anyone making so many attempts at abduction here.
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The problem we have is that there is a belief that the police are not doing enough or not taking things seriously. I particularly note that when the white mercedes driver made an attempt, a witness gave the registration number to the police, yet what sounds like the same vehicle made a later attempt some days (weeks?) later. This implies that the police either didn't follow it up or the result of that wasn't sufficient to stop this pervert doing what he does.
Why do the police insist we go through the effort of reporting things if the same person can do the same things again a few days later? It is the answer to this little question that would show so much.
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I don't think so. More likely in my humble opinion is that the police who were given the reg number at the time, for whatever reason, maybe went looking for the driver but didn't report the incident. Yet again, the police station have no record.
I'm not saying that's what happened, but I have a feeling...
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in my experience of living here so far its my opinion that very little is done about anything until the situation/s reach the point where it hurts them in pocket or bites them on the nose! them being turkish! tonnes off flannel and zero action.
and before anyone accuses me of being racist etc etc, i bloody live with one!! i love it here,but it is dog eat dog and look after your self or leave! that goes for your money,personal safety and your property. iam only saying what i see and meen absolutely nil offence to anyone.
as mentioned before on the forum.. the police seem to have a bigger interest in what you were wearing when you were assaulted/attacked that the attack itself!
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Originally posted by twinpack
Perhaps it`s the lack of respect for us Brits they have.
i think perhaps it is!
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From my experience of living there it is indeed correct that the whole building has to fall down before someone suggests fixing the doorbell. Of course, if your advertising sign is 2cm higher than the regulation height, officials and police in abundance can deal with you.
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It is very easy to contact Interpol on the web. Would they have a record of the car?
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It is worrying is how confident he has become to threaten a man while trying to grab the daughter.
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very sad to hear that it has happened again,I will still continue to come to calis and hopefully still feel safe, we have to remember that this type of thing doesn't happen a lot in calis thankfully and had we not belonged to this forum them maybe we would not of been aware of this happening,however as many have said we have to keep reporting it .
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I am getting worried now about my holidays:( off to calis beach in 16 days! p.s I sent email and got standard reply back, when it comes to committing a crime in Turkey are there severe concequences? seems to me if so many people are experiencing so much crime that the wrongdoers dont seem to be too bothered of what happens if they get caught. Also are these men just targeting non turkish peoples houses, or is it hotels? are they going for non turkish girls or turkish girls. What would the Turkish people do if it was their homes/hotels and young women being targeted. Ihave been to Altinkum 4 times, granted not for awhile but always felt safe there. It is a worry:(
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Originally posted by minxer
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Originally posted by twinpack
Perhaps it`s the lack of respect for us Brits they have.
i think perhaps it is!
I am also begining to think that way too.after 21 years this is the first time i;ve felt that way,having said that its a case of working out does the good outweigh the bad,we'll see.
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For goodness sake something has to be done now, the police have to patrol the area around the Dolphin (or not) roundabout and the few sokaks up the towards Gunlukbasi and also the Calis to Fethiye Road, otherwise something horrible is going to happen.
If this family has taken the time, and a lot of it, to go and report this crime, coupled with the fact that Nikki had been to the police a short while ago to confirm that there had been attempted abductions and they are going to do nothing, then I just despair....I mean what can we do?????
Its very worrying.
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Originally posted by bridge7
I am getting worried now about my holidays:( off to calis beach in 16 days! p.s I sent email and got standard reply back, when it comes to committing a crime in Turkey are there severe concequences? seems to me if so many people are experiencing so much crime that the wrongdoers dont seem to be too bothered of what happens if they get caught. Also are these men just targeting non turkish peoples houses, or is it hotels? are they going for non turkish girls or turkish girls. What would the Turkish people do if it was their homes/hotels and young women being targeted. Ihave been to Altinkum 4 times, granted not for awhile but always felt safe there. It is a worry:(
i was going to mention your very point about the targets! but was a little afraid of being jumped on about it! it would appear that the victims here are all english/european regs attacks.
i think also that the police are reluctant to file reports made by tourists as they know that 99.9% of them will return home and not attend a court hearing anyway,(correct me if iam wrong but all filed reports do usually go to court even when the offenders have not been caught to ascertain the victims intent on carrying on procedings?)plus the fact they think we all have money trees growing lavishly in our uk gardens so can therefore afford to be robbed.just the fact that we can afford to get on an aircraft suggests to some natives here that we are all loaded. they dont understand the concept of how hard people work all year for their hols.
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also bridge,, if it was their homes,hotel rooms and their women on the recieving end of all this sh***e their would be gang warfare between families, and their would be police files recorded guarunteed.
iam turk lashing today and i know it but this is the bloody truth and iam sick of the lax attitude taken by the police..but not surprised!!! these guys hang out of the police vans whistling,learing and making improper gestures themselves!!! what do we really expect!!
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Oh my god how awful is all of this. There have always been men in cars following girls home and trying to get them to get in the car, that was bad enough, but i've never heard of it being this bad or this serious before. I hope it all gets sorted and this pervert gets caught soon.
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I think he'd do better than a 1974 Merc if he was
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It just might be a Policeman,off duty perhaps. It all looks very "fishy" to me.Very little action so far but this is pure conjecture.Something about the business doesn't ring true.My condolences to those who have been traumatised by these horrible happenings.I imagine the Police have a data base for such offenders?
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If he had a very fancy car he would be very noticable in Calis.
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I feel so sorry for the families who have come here for a lovely holiday and are having to cope with this situation.
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Most of them dont know anything about it Daf
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i know it well, and i have the guys number who runs it... 02526146302. its just near the d and p perfume shop in fethiye... second floor tucked in doorway to the side of the perfumery.
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Liam Neeson has made a film called "Taken" which is about women being abducted. If I were in Calis I would not spend a lira in the restaurants, bars or any of the businesses there until action was taken to stop this happening.Money is what talks in Turkey.
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I have had experience of the British Consul here and they are very sweet people in there but do not have much power to do anything. It is more of an advice centre and records keeping situation.
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It is an Honorary Consul, thus little or no requirement or desire to do anything. Indeed, I understand during a personal crisis a few months back, a British caller was informed that he could not help, as he was on holiday in Marmaris. The British Consulate is in Antalya.
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It is an honorary Consul
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The Honorary British Consul in Fethiye is consists as far as I know of a very sweet little Turkish girl with reasonable skills in spoken English and a very pleasant, polite man who will take your details and refer you to somewhere else. Their powers are not much more than an advice centre from what I can make out.
That is not to say you should not report the situation but just do not think they can do a lot for you.
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feel like we gettin nowhere here.. hows about i stand at the dolphin roundabout with a kalshnikov..: :)
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Originally posted by twinpack
Please dont be negative about this if the police aren`t doing anything at least try and talk to them even if the are just an Honorary Consul.
I believe I am being one of the least negative people there is on this subject, but thanks. I am trying to co-ordinate a positive action that MAY lead to some serious action. Maybe I should adopt your "maybe it's because they don't like Brits" attitude, that'll help.
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I am now in direct contact with the police lady that was attacked last week,t his is part of her email -Anyway it was an old white car and could well have been a Merc but she's not sure. The driver was a guy in his 50's definately with a moustache and the only other passenger was quite a bit younger.
I have now sent her the photo of the other guy and see if she recognises him.
will keep you posted
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Originally posted by minxer
feel like we gettin nowhere here.. hows about i stand at the dolphin roundabout with a kalshnikov..: :)
Don't worry, we ARE getting somewhere
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Violence is not going to help.
You should not have to put yourself at risk for this man. He is the one in the wrong.
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I am doing my very best to politely inform you that there is no point in contacting the honorary council in Fethiye. I know this to be the case and to say so is not negative. Cons on homes, overcharging tourists and the like are problems that can wait as we have a more pressing situation to deal with. Once that is sorted, it isn't worth going to the honorary consul with any of those either.
The man who can make things happen is the Governor, even the Mugla region police chief reports to him. I'd also like to see Nick Baird, our ambassador in Ankara, do more than arrange boat trips.
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I am now in direct contact with the police lady that was attacked last week,this is part of her email -Anyway it was an old white car and could well have been a Merc but she's not sure. The driver was a guy in his 50's definately with a moustache and the only other passenger was quite a bit younger.
I have now sent her the photo of the other guy and see if she recognises him.
will keep you posted
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i agree with the positive action that is being taken, we need to stay calm and focus on what is being done, although I do agree they need sorting but it may take time,
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I was looking forward to my holiday in Calis in August. Unfortunately I am now worried that my 2 teenage daughters will not be safe, despite being with myself and my husband. It's very worrying.
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If he tried to abduct my daughter when I or her partner (7 years marines) was there he would now be deceased [:(!]
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Just a thought but would it do any good to contact a local Turkish newspapaer and the Land of Lights to higlight these robberies and attempted abductions. Maybe shame the authorities into some positive action.
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Originally posted by busybee
Just a thought but would it do any good to contact a local Turkish newspapaer and the Land of Lights to higlight these robberies and attempted abductions. Maybe shame the authorities into some positive action.
The LOL does'nt do real news, and especialy not bad news:(
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I agree with Phil, its a good and positive news paper they would not want any tourists reading the bad news, it was a good thought though.
To be honest they should not have to be reading this bad news anyway, I know things happen everywhere, whats so frightening here is the regularity of the attempted abductions and the fact that Sunday it was attemped when the father was present....unbelieveable.
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The Kalkan News (On line) Has just reported a spate of breakins in the area....all happening in the early hours of the morning. It would appear that it not just this area but is a general malaise which should be ringing bells in the authorities somewhere.:(
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If anyone wants the email address of Jane Tuna, a local resident and accredited reporter for the Hurriyet / TDN, contact me through my profile.
I'm sure Jane would be more than happy to receive first-hand reports of the problems that are being encountered and perhaps have details of them published in a respected national newspaper.
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Jane Tuna is a very good reporter but I wonder if Turkish newspapers would want it to be known what is going on.
There are strict laws on reporters here. I wish her luck if she does take the subject on.
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Well if the Turks won't take it seriously, I'm sure 'Take a Break' or the some of the UK tabloids would be interested..
Still no reply from the Gov of Mulga :(
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I got a standard reply to one email I sent but not the second. Maybe the Sun would be interested but remember it will open up a real can of worms. Personally I think it should be reported in the UK press but then we don't rent out our property. Sorry if that sounds callous but some would be reluctant to have this in the press for that reason.
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I've had no reply to my e-mail either. They must be swamped or have given up already.
Baz 8)
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I only hope that the Turkish people do not take is as a criticism of themselves. We have lovely Turkish friends who are horrified at what is happening.
This can happen anywhere in the world. Some action is needed though or the economy will feel the effect of bad publicity.
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There was a story in Take A Break a couple of weeks ago about a girl who had gone on holiday to turkey (marmaris i think) and got attacked but a member of the hotel staff. She did report it to the police (after the hotel owner offered her a free holiday to stay quiet and she was told by a female turkish translator that she would probably not be believed) but after 4 years of fighting the man has never been bought to justice and is said to still be working at the hotel.
I for one after reading that article thought how heartbreaking and distressing it would be to put yourself through all of that for nothing and it did give the distinct impression that the turkish polis look after there own.
Whether this is true or not is beside the point, i wonder how many other women have read such articles and have decided to keep quiet??
This may be a silly suggestion but could some sort of "stay safe" promotion be organised? leaflets/flyers given out to holiday-makers with the polis contact number maybe? It wouldnt have to detail the attacks and scare anybody but a gentle reminder to stay together ETC?? just a thought...
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
I've had no reply to my e-mail either. They must be swamped or have given up already.
Well it is possible that they decided to address the problem rather than sit replying to emails. Emails can wait.
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a woman was charged money at the police station for giving a statement.
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Minxer, I read your post that is now locked..
I've assisted a few people at the Gunlukbasi and Fethiye police stations with translation and support. Each police station has at least one contact available for translation but does ask the person involved if they know of someone to translate for them. The only charge that has been made has been by the translator. I'm not suggesting that this lady is making it up, just wanted to let people know that the police are helpful as long as they can understand and know all details.
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the random off the street who couldnt translate being the reason she had to pay.?
this place is becoming a joke..i will be happy to be leaving it at the weekend. rest assured scunner no more posts from me. iwonder if it was your wife/girlfriend/daughter that had experienced this would it then warrant a new topic?
i have lived here solidly for 3 years now and have only heard this influx of bad stuff in such mass over the past month or so.
calis was a lovely place to live. it isnt at the moment.
it is an easier feeling i would think to be sat in the uk with the cosy arm of the british police/law wrapped around you.
its a very different feeling here at present,i can assure you.
Calis is a beautifull place to visit.. just watch your hanbags/money fones, homes, and dont walk around late at night unless you are armed.....................................
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I think we all need to focus on the fact that most of these attacks occur late at night/early morning. It would be sensible to make sure you get home via taxi if you have far to walk and especially if you are a lone woman - just as you would in the UK.
Yes it's bad and needs to be sorted soon but we must all remember that just because we are on holiday crime does not take a break.
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Minxer - if you think it's better over in the UK you are in for a shock! OK some areas (like York where I live) are pretty good but many many are awful and you would not venture out at night in some of them even if you were fully armed.
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Originally posted by stoop
I think we all need to focus on the fact that most of these attacks occur late at night/early morning. It would be sensible to make sure you get home via taxi if you have far to walk and especially if you are a lone woman - just as you would in the UK.
Yes it's bad and needs to be sorted soon but we must all remember that just because we are on holiday crime does not take a break.
come on stoop, this needs sorting NOW. Look at how far back all these threads go(not just this one) and soon is just not good enough. The same car and the same people are still at large! Have the Mayor or Police read all these posts and seen what Brits are saying or would they be happy to see all the GB pounds go elsewhere?
Let's face it, if these attempts develop into a real abduction etc. then I for one would ensure maximum publicity in the UK as the authorities in Calis have had plenty of time and opportunities to put a stop to this. If they are not going to even try to keep us safe then they deserve to lose us and our money!
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How do we know they are still at large, after the last attack apparently the people attacked were at the police station all day.
as far as I know its the first positive reporting to the police we have had.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
How do we know they are still at large, after the last attack apparently the people attacked were at the police station all day.
as far as I know its the first positive reporting to the police we have had.
How do we know that they are not still at large? the fact that the victims were at the Police Station all day does not prove that the perpetrators have been apprehended. If any worthwhile progress is made regarding the removal of the threat to tourists then please let us know. Until then the many reports on this forum stand as does the lack of progress on keeping tourists safe. balancing the two, the risk remains and I for one hope that the tourists remain safe.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
as far as I know its the first positive reporting to the police we have had.
No it is not the first positive reporting, it has been going on for years, the problem is the interviews at the police the station, the victim is made to feel the criminal, this is extremely off putting, then later to be told that they do not have enough evidence, do you honestly think that they look?
The police (or the majority) make you feel that it is your fault. Turkey is not UK policing, we may grumble about the UK police but after years of ~Turkish authorities I am thankful and appreciative of the UK police if not the British court system.
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i guess iam lucky to come froma nice part of cheshire, we dont tend to have learing coppers who hang out of police vehicles at traffic lights and wolf whistle!! and touch wood i would like to think that if i did have to go to the police in the uk for something i would be treated like a human being and hopefully taken seriously, without any crude remarks about what i chose to wear.
so unless people have taken to shooting sheep on a massive scale in my area i feel very comfortable about returning to the uk,and lot safer.
where i come from repeated attempts at abduction in the same spot would probably result in road block checks at the very least!
there is a bloody camera lookin at the dolphin roundabout!! have the police checked it? have they ****e! they dont giv a toss here..
unless ya loaded of course.
enough soft soaping these useless police. bored of this now, just take care people.
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Sorry Loz, just thinking about the last few weeks where it has seemingly come to a head and everybody is now determined to do something about it, if we shout loud enough to the right people it will get sorted.
We must all stay positive, don't get angry get even.
Tinx: :)
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Who are you shouting at? What are YOU doing?
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replying to post from Twinpack which he later deleted
I'm using the website I set up, to ensure people are aware of the situation and being able to exchange information that might just save someone from a very harrowing attack. I am speaking with people in Calis and Turkey who are helping to highlight the events to people who can actually do something about it.
I doubt very much that you are doing the "same as me". My money is on the idea that you are sitting on your ar$e doing nothing except bleat that others are doing nothing. Do I win?
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replying to another post from Twinpack which he later deleted
Getting personal on here got me where I am today.
Stories in the News of the World and Sun are the last things we need but cheers anyway.
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replying to another post from Twinpack which he later deleted
can i just say Twinpack that i think that is a ridiculous thing to have done.I take it that you havn't got a property to rent out then?Think of all the owners and businesses that will lose income once this becomes headlines in the uk.The local people were trying to contain this horrendous situation locally, so that substantial damage was not felt in the tourist industry here!!
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I may be one of those contributors who sometimes write rubbish and sometimes write things that do not get majoity approval. However I hope in respect of this thread I have been reasonable, appropriate and considered.
I have argued that the people must stay focussed on blaming the perpretrators and not each other or blame the authorities. In my opinion sadly many people including on CBF now take on the victim role when they are not victims and act in angry and irrational way. By so doing they intefer in ways which they think are helpful but often they make matters worse. The victims are the people who are assualted or burguled and those closely associated with them such as their family or friends present at the time. If we have not had such an experience we have no right to speak for victims.
I have cited an example when contributors slag of the authorities for non-action. Also some postings wrongly give the impression that the place (Calis) is bad when the statistics paint a picture of it being safe most of the time for almost everyone who stays there or has an apartment there.
It does not help to be so negative as it can make things worse. If you attack someone and tell them they are rubbish at what they are doing they don't hear your real concerns and they justify themselves as doing the right thing. All their energies go into defending their position and they loose focus on doing the right thing. Time to act gets taken up in argument and that does not help victims.
If we do not stay reasoned in expressing our legitimate concerns then we loose credibility. If we lose credibility nothing will get done or it will be done half heartedly.
No one else has the right to act as the victim other than those assaulted or burgurled and it does not help if they do.
What people should do is use their influence in a reasoned and mature way. This is best done in a quiet diplomatic way rather in anger or using language common in pub discussions. This is because those who can make a difference (ie the Authorities in Turkey) respond better to reason and concern expressed in a way which encourages organizations to do more.
In my opinion those who are assaulted or burgled must be supported to report these crimes to the police. This is the most important consideration because too many incidents have gone unreported thus distorting the extent of the problem. Others i.e. people who care but are not victims can legitimately express a view that the reported increase in these crimes deters people from holidaying in Calis because that is a reasonable position to take.
CBF is not a forum where its members need to compete with each other for who has the morale high ground or who is shouting the loudest or whatever. This only distracts people from the issues of concern.
It best if we stay focussed and allow those like Keith and Tinks who are in a real position to effect positive change and others to express their disquiet in a calm and considered way. It may take time to get some progress but lets be positive that progress can be made. Postive thinking can be a great help in these situations.
These issues are too important for people to act out in ways which might do more harm than good.
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Amanda, just read back on the posts and cant find what Twinpack has posted, unless its been removed.
also I hav'nt read any "common pub talk" on this thread either, what is coming out is peoples honest opinions, and more importantly peoples fears,we are all in the same position here,and the bottom line is, we are all together on this,
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Thank you Twin Bee, a very good and positive post, you have put into words what I have been thinking for a while.
We are doing work in the background that nobody knows about and probably never will till the results come in, but if everybody keeps positive as you say it will happen, and if you cant be positive, keep quiet.
Tinx ;)
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I guess Twinpack removed his critical posts?
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Yes he did!!
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oh right ok,
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So far I've kept quiet on these threads.
I can't add anything that hasn't already been stated but just wanted to thank Twin Bea for his positive post.
We must all be united in our stand to keep Calis the place we all love.
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Originally posted by Clioman2
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Originally posted by stoop
I think we all need to focus on the fact that most of these attacks occur late at night/early morning. It would be sensible to make sure you get home via taxi if you have far to walk and especially if you are a lone woman - just as you would in the UK.
Yes it's bad and needs to be sorted soon but we must all remember that just because we are on holiday crime does not take a break.
come on stoop, this needs sorting NOW. Look at how far back all these threads go(not just this one) and soon is just not good enough. The same car and the same people are still at large! Have the Mayor or Police read all these posts and seen what Brits are saying or would they be happy to see all the GB pounds go elsewhere?
Let's face it, if these attempts develop into a real abduction etc. then I for one would ensure maximum publicity in the UK as the authorities in Calis have had plenty of time and opportunities to put a stop to this. If they are not going to even try to keep us safe then they deserve to lose us and our money!
All I am advocating is that people try and stay safe by taking simple precautions - as they would in the UK at 3am in the morning.
Yes it needs sorting - I am quite aware of that.
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Good post twin bea but I can't help wondering how the hell 'positive thinking' is going to help.
We all need to calm down and make sure every incident is logged and reported to the police and whoever else we think can help.
There has been an interesting report in the York Press tonight about a Church Group who are going to walk the streets of York late at night to make sure any vulnerable/at risk people get home safely. Things like walking single females to taxi ranks or bus stops and making sure they are safe. Helping those who have had a little too much to drink or have been a victim of drunken behaviour.
Evidently this has been tried in 80 cities and the crime rate late at night has dropped substantially.
I'm not saying this should be set up in Calis just trying to show that even little old safe York needs this type of initiative to make the streets safe. It might not be a bad idea though.
http://www.thepress.co.uk/news/4490616.Street_Angels_to_patrol_York_city_centre_at_night_helping_people_in_need/
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This a copy of the email I recieved from the father of one of the couple who were attacked last weekend after I sent them a copy of the photo of that man who we suspect is one of the two men involved.
Hi Andy.
Thanks for what your'e doing to clear up this mess. My daughter has seen the photo but she only got a quick look at the guy. It was the older one who did the car ramming and got out to do the grabbing.
What she has said is that the features, hair length and style, stubble, build and general appearance is the same, but she couldn't definately say it was him. If she were to compile a photofit it certainly wouldn't look a lot different.
I questioned both of the girls thoroughly that morning and they didn't get either the make or plate number of the car. Just that it was old and either white or cream.
With that little info and with it then being what we thought was a one off incident we didn't go to the Police. In retrospect, with the events that have followed i wish we had.
A further reason we didn't go was that 2 years ago i was burgled in Calis and i spent 3 hours at the Police Station with an officer who spoke no English, and neither did any of the other officers. After the interview the officer produced a 30cm Bowie type hunting knife from a desk drawer and said," get yourself one of these, no problem".
To be honest, i couldn't see that spending another night down at the Police Station was going to be of great help after that.
While in Calis this time i did tell both of the girls and any other girls i met to get a Taxi at present. Carry a mobile at all times and call 155 immediately any car draws up and don't wait to see why. Definately don't respond to the occupants in any way at all. Then go to the nearest possible door to bang on it. Announce "Hello Police" as loudly as possible on the mobile, even if they haven't answered the call yet. Only as a last resort, take a photo. This could encourage them to steal the mobile.
I also advised my friend, the owner of the Club E Hotel
to advise all of his guests of the present situation. This he has done, and is still doing. As a man of some status in the area, he is also making his own enquiries with various officials as to what they are doing.
I wouldn't want people to be paranoid on their holidays, but being streetwise and prepared in any Country is a must for anybody.
Thanks again Andy and everybody involved in stopping these unheard of events in a beautiful and friendly place.
Please keep me informed.
Kind Regards
Graham.
I have wished them well and both girls are fine :)
Tinx
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A neighbourhood watch scheme is not a bad idea either. Just being observant of who and what is in your own neighbourhood could help matters. Things like taking note of car registrations, watching who is visiting the area and generally looking out for each other. With mobile phones you can easily take a picture of a situation which you consider suspicious. I do not think this is illegal.
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Thanks Stoop - by positive thinking I mean focussing on solutions and not blaming the Authorities. The trouble with negative thinking is that it gets destructive and that will not help anyone. In time we shall find the Turkish neighbourhood including the local business community will be on our side and hopefully these incidents will stop.
I have another question; when using an English mobile in Turkey to phone the emergency services do you need to include the international dialing code as well?
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Originally posted by Twin Bee
I have another question; when using an English mobile in Turkey to phone the emergency services do you need to include the international dialing code as well?
No, you don't.
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Tinx please can you keep us informed of any progress no matter how small. we all feel very unsettled about this situation as many of us are coming to calis for the summer and bringing young families and friends. We all appreciate what you and your fellow residents are doing and hope that these perverts get whats coming to them. good luck. thanks suz
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I know its only a few days, but a relief that no more has been bought to our attention,
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Me too Maureen..
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Originally posted by suzi Q
Tinx please can you keep us informed of any progress no matter how small....
My personal view is that drip feeding members with every little bit of news is probably not the best approach. Better we are informed of any significant developments as they arise but other smaller matters might be best shared say in a newsround every couple of weeks or so or not shared if the information may make people worry when there is no substance to it or i s hearsay rather than fact.
...I am only trying to help :(
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Perhaps the travel company reps could advise holidaymakers that just like England you have to take care when travelling home at night.
When we people are on holiday they are not familiar with an area and probably do things that they would never do in England.
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Have to agree Daffodil. In Egypt and Tunisia you are warned of the threat of terrorism. So to advise caution late at night may save someone having their holiday ruined.
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There are plenty of taxis in the area only to glad to have business and if you make arrangements to share it can keep the price down. We do that in Britain, why not here.
I have on a number of occasions seen young women alone lost as they cannot find their hotel and wandering down dark country lanes. It would be a good idea if hotels were to have a small area map to show landmarks for their guest to identify where they were. Usually people do not venture that far from their hotel but may just take a wrong turn late at night and lose their bearings. :)
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Twin Bee your last post doesn't seem to me to demostrate positive thinking. What possible harm can the posting of as much information as possible do.
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:) I agree too that we should be informed of any other incidents, or developments, to keep up the momentum on the current problems and as reminder not to let our guard down, remember, we can benefit from the forum, others cant.
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Yes lets face it a lot of us are going out to Calis soon and need as much info as possible to stop us worrying and so we can also be eyes and ears too while we are there. Information every couple of weeks is useless to us.
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Like I said only trying to help using my experience!
The drip,drip of BAD news wears people down and people can feed on it in a way which doesn't help. Sometimes this is done by people 'competing' for who has the worst tale to tell. Sometime people go out on a limb and muddy the waters by involving people/orgasnisations who they think can help but will make things worse. Also what might appear a good outcome for one person may be a bad outcome for another such as informing the tabloid press. And I find it odd that some people post on here about incidents that happened months, even years ago, yet at the time of the incident they refer do not merit posting on CBF at that time. This sounds to me like people jumping on the 'band wagon of despair' when the situation does not merit it.
I am all for posting SIGNIFICANT information but we do not need everyone to report EVERY little concern. After all we don't report EVERY kindness!
I do understand the need to feel secure and worry free but Suzi; I am not sure I agree that every incident being posted reduces worry. I think for some it significantly adds to it - makes peole worry when they do not need to.
I am only trying to help people get a proper perspective on what is happening and promoting the idea that significant incidents should be reported to the Authorities and the Authorites should be trusted to deal with the situation.
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I think the reality will be somewhere between the two. There is a lot of collation and verification work going on behind the scenes (you can thank Tinkerman for this) and hopefully a meeting with the Chief of Police will take place once there is a collection of facts to run through with him.
There have been reports on the forum that simply cannot be verified - this doesn't necessarily mean they didn't happen but there is little fact to back them up enough to take to the Chief. Of course we are in no position to choose whether members report events to CBF, but from our position, only factual and verified information will be posted on here by the CBF team.
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Bee i totally understand what you are saying about the people feeding off of bad news instead of looking for the positive but from the many posts you can see people are concerned. I'm sorry if it was taken the wrong way but its how a lot of us feel.I want to thank tinx for his involvement behind the scenes and hope that something postive comes out of all this.
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OMG - how worrying is this. We are arriving in Calis on 3rd August and will have 2 x 16 year old girls with us you where hoping for a bit of "freedom" away from parents. Not sure I will be happy with them being out on their own now.
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Originally posted by HRH_59
OMG - how worrying is this. We are arriving in Calis on 3rd August and will have 2 x 16 year old girls with us you where hoping for a bit of "freedom" away from parents. Not sure I will be happy with them being out on their own now.
Pardon me your majesty:D, just tell your princesses to be vigilant, stay together and get a taxi if out late, just the same precautions you would take on a night out in Birkenhead. The beauty of this forum is it keeps everybody informed and so safer, the incidents you have been reading about happen everywhere all the time, we happen to love Calis and dont want to see it spoilt by a lowlife so are prepared to go that extra mile to ensure it stays our special place in the sun. You will have a great time. Relax and enjoy 8). your humble servant and near neighbour in the royal borough of thingwall. ;)
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A report in the Sun today shows figures for rapes in 2008. Turkey had 1,916.130 British visitors and 21 reported rapes (Foreign Office figures). It came second to Greece which had 28 reported attacks (not sure how many Brits visited but I guess more than Turkey). Cyprus was next with 9 out of 1.5 million Brit visitors.
It might be just me but it's worrying that the 3 worst countries are all in the same region (and some might say have a similar background as far as population goes).
By contrast - Germany - which had over 2.5 million Brit visitors had 1 rape reported in 2008 and France 6 from 14.8 million.
Hopfully the Turkish authorities will take note of this and do something positive.
The Sun gives some basic safety rules which are pretty obvious but the main one is if you are female and you think you are being followed then try and look confident, do not run or look over your shoulder but stop and let the person go past you. It seems these people do not like it when you are not intimidated by them. Also try to dress so that you can fight off any attacker and not give them any advantage. Forget high heels and look at things like pony tails which can be easily grabbed in a confrontation.
According to figures released 97% of attacks are by people known to the victim so it's quite rare to be picked out at random.
Go enjoy your holiday and let your girls enjoy theirs but make sure they know how to get home safely - even if it means getting a taxi and the cost it involves. We often find that if you like a particular driver that they will do a deal for regular pick ups. Quite often a fixed price can be negotiated to save some money. Also - if you are at some bars/restaurants they will make sure you get home safely by driving you home when you are ready.
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"How worrying is this?"
I agree with tonysue, not very worrying at all. In and around the bar/restaurant areas nobody would be mad enough to try anything and they'll be there 99% of the time. Bar staff are reliable for keeping an eye on the occasional sleazy looking individual. That just leaves the journey home, and 2 x 16 year old girls shouldn't be walking home late at night alone anywhere really.
I wouldn't worry, at all in fact. Just take heed of the information and remember to stay responsible on holiday :)
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Greece has approx 3 million vistors annually. According to the Foreign Office most of these rapes are date rape/drug rape related in places where clubbing is prevalent.
So the message is if drinking make sure you know what is in your drink. Also most rapes are allegedly carried out by English people or European's and not the native population. Very few are stranger rapes.
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Absolutely agree, most people will have a night out along the prom and there is always a taxi parked at the water taxi bridge, the main street after the bridge is always busy and once again the taxi rank is there at the end. If you are worried by all of these reports then take the advice of Stoop & Scunner and get into a taxi rather than making the lonely walk up Baris Manco or down past the Harem etc.
Calis is still a lovely place and even with all of these reports I would still bring my daughter rather than let her go to likes of Ibiza, Faliraki, Ayai Napa etc.
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Does it mention how many rapes in Cyprus were by British attackers Stoop? Total crap, ignore.
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Have a read of this
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1504065.ece
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Having just got back from Calis I was shocked to see these posts. There was no mention of this in resort. I am so sorry for the 2 families involved can emphathise as my step daughter had an incident a couple of years ago.
However, I would also like to say we were 5 ladies alone & we were treated with nothing but respect by all Turkish in shops & restaurants. The only issue our party had was in the market where they felt some of the stall holders were over familiar and a bit touchy but this was dealt with in a poliet manner. At no point did we feel unsafe - however we had a car and didn't take any unusal risks.
Everyone needs to take the same precautions they do at home. There are opportunists out there who will take advantage if they can. It does look like there is a serial offender out there who needs to be caught. Lets hope they are before there are any further incidents.
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From 2 separate reports in "The Sun" quoted in this topic:
From Rimm's link: "Foreign Office figures show there have been 46 complaints of rape in a year by British women in Greece. "
From Stoop's Quote: "A report in the Sun today shows figures for rapes in 2008. 'It came second to ~(Foreign Office figures). Greece which had 28 reported attacks'
Moral of this story, The Sun - please ignore, crap.
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Scunner - whatever the figures are it's 1 too many but if you read the report in the link above you will see it's dated August '08 and the figures relate to a 1 year time span. The article in todays suns relates to total figure for 2008. It could be that there were many cases reported from August 07 to December 07 which would not be included in the 2008 year count.
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A week or so ago every day saw a report of this incident or that incident....but now virtually nothing....So can one assume all these villains have been apprehended (Doubtful) or was this whole thing blown out of all proportion. Rumours do seem to spread like swineflu here. We have lived here for five years and holidayed here for the previous twelve and have never seen any incident that has given us any concern. :) Nowhere is 100% perfect but I reckon this is about as close as you will get.
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The Sun....says it all......garbage.
I would not feel safe at all in the centre of town where all the bars etc are here at night, even if there were a few of us...in fact I don't do it ever.
No matter what you see this sort of thing happens everywhere but its Calis and we all love it so much so it seems worse...
Still need to be careful though. :)
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Typical how people call the Sun garbage when they are only reporting the figures from the British Consulate!
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The Sun sells sex; most people call that prostitution but they call it good business and claim that is what people want to read or see:-\
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Ha the sun AGAIN, would not touch it or believe anything written in that comic.
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Originally posted by stoop
Typical how people call the Sun garbage when they are only reporting the figures from the British Consulate!
Two totally contradictory figures Stoop, can't you grasp that?
My earlier point is also relevant. These cold figures imply rampant locals in the destinations mentioned. The truth is quite different I suspect. Many reported incidents are ones where the attacker is British, and if you want to quote Cyprus, you don't have to look far to see how many of the quoted incidents were caused by British Squaddies based on the island.
It's total rubbish, literally not worth the paper it was printed on.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Bar staff are reliable for keeping an eye on the occasional sleazy looking individual.
We witnessed just such an instance in July when the bar staff at Scarlett invited a guy who was harrassing women to leave. When he returned a short time later, he was again invite to leave. When the decide to hang about outside on the pavement, he was unceremoniously frog-marched up the street.
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Originally posted by Scunner
quote:
Originally posted by stoop
Typical how people call the Sun garbage when they are only reporting the figures from the British Consulate!
Two totally contradictory figures Stoop, can't you grasp that?
My earlier point is also relevant. These cold figures imply rampant locals in the destinations mentioned. The truth is quite different I suspect. Many reported incidents are ones where the attacker is British, and if you want to quote Cyprus, you don't have to look far to see how many of the quoted incidents were caused by British Squaddies based on the island.
It's total rubbish, literally not worth the paper it was printed on.
Different figures because they are from different periods of time - can't you grasp that???
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Laffa - I know why you don't read the Sun and understand to a point but this has nothing to do with Hilsborough.
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From the sun today:
According to figures released 97% of attacks are by people known to the victim.
I guess that suggests it's not locals causing the problems but Brits themselves - unlike the problems in Calis at the moment.
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Both 2008, no data on which nationality was accused. Irrelevant scaremongering rubbish.
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Originally posted by stoop
I guess that suggests it's not locals causing the problems but Brits themselves - unlike the problems in Calis at the moment.
Hoo bloody ray, he's finally getting it :D
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From Rimms' link
"Foreign Office figures show there have been 46 complaints of rape in a year by British women in Greece."
Article dated 2nd August 2008 so by my reckoning that's from 3rd August 2007 to 2nd August 2008 - that's a year!
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And after your scaremongering posts, you finally concede this is not relevant to the situation in Calis.
Well what a waste of bandwidth..!
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Of course it's relevant. I said earlier that 97% of cases are by people known to the victim which means 3% are not. I also said (scaremongering?) that it's rare to be picked out at random.
Calis is obviously going through a bad phase right now and it appears the people doing this are in fact picking people at random. as nobody seems to know who is doing it.
Tell me which post is scaremongering? I have in fact gone out of my way to state it's rare to be picked out at random and that people should still go and enjoy their holidays with their children but just make sure they have a plan to get home safely.
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Quote from me
"According to figures released 97% of attacks are by people known to the victim so it's quite rare to be picked out at random.
Go enjoy your holiday and let your girls enjoy theirs but make sure they know how to get home safely - even if it means getting a taxi and the cost it involves. We often find that if you like a particular driver that they will do a deal for regular pick ups. Quite often a fixed price can be negotiated to save some money. Also - if you are at some bars/restaurants they will make sure you get home safely by driving you home when you are ready".
Scaremongering???
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Yes
Nobody in Calis has been raped, so trotting out Foreign Office data on the number of rapes in Turkey was both TOTALLY irrelevant and scaremongering.
According to F.O. figures, 4 British people have been mauled to death by lions abroad in the last 12 months. Stay safe in Calis guys, watch out for lions.
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And bears and snakes
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And Gary Carr and "Tilly Miss"
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So you are saying that because nobody has been raped in Calis that it will never happen and this guy or guys are just trying top abduct people so they can have a nice chat?
Unbelievable.
That's my last post on this from me. Can't be bothered any more.
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I'm saying that the 'facts' you posted were irresponsible and if you think pasting that was going to make female readers feel more at ease then you are from another planet to the rest of us!
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C'mon Stoop, calm down. The forum is about discussion and inevitably a difference of opinion, I've had my fair share. You are a great member, please take a moment to reflect and get back in here.
I'll give you an excuse - Onur Air is Fab - Response ?
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Originally posted by stoop
Laffa - I know why you don't read the Sun and understand to a point but this has nothing to do with Hilsborough.
The point is Stoop, the Sun are known to print LIES,Hillsborough being a perfect example of that,but lets not go down that road, and stick to the issue,I never said it had anything to do with Hillsborough and found your remark below the belt, can you find another reason why non-scousers dont like the Sun,i'm not the only one.
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They are 'facts' though Keith.
Rimms - I meant it was my last post on this topic - not my last post ever. Now that's gone t£ts up!
Scunner - If you think my post was irresponsible I would like to know why. Are you saying that these attempted abductions/gropes etc could not lead to rape?
Laffa - Sorry but I stand by my comment. The Sun does not sell in Liverpool since the Hilsborough disaster - fact. Most people in football know why and saying my comment was below the belt is wrong. Can you honestly say you never read it before Hilsborough? By the way I think I'm right in saying it is the biggest selling newspaper in the UK - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation
Finally my post quoting today's Sun was not meant to make our female members feel uneasy but to make sure they realise that they need to take the same precautions as they would in the UK when out late at night. If that's wrong then I must be deluded.
I will back Calis up to the hilt as it is my favourite place ever but I will not shirk these important issues just because I own a place there that I might want to rent out or sell in the future.
Sorry but that's just how I am.
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You never answered this Keith :
'So you are saying that because nobody has been raped in Calis that it will never happen and this guy or guys are just trying to abduct people so they can have a nice chat?'
One word answer please - yes or no?
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Have picked this thread up after a few days and found it very interesting to see the differing points of view towards the end - points of view - the strength of the forum.
I do not believe anything Stoop has said is factually incorrect - and I am not even sure if it should have been said as like others we love the area and wouldn't want to do anything to hurt the reputation of the area - businesses I know and trust seem to be saying it is very tough again this year in spite of euro / pound etc.
However walking home last night - after midnight - down the side streets near the otogar to our apartment I was more aware than I would usually be of passing cars - glances etc - is that a bad thing - no - it has made me a little more careful NOT paranoid - a bit like leaving balcony doors open because it is hot and forgetting the risk - even on the first floor!
Long may open debate continue.
Ian
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Could never take Wikopedia seriously, anyone can go into it and change the details.
As for the Sun, I always remember the series "Porridge" when Godber told Fletcher
he was going for a newpaper and did he want one Fletcher said "Get me the Sun... Oh, and
something to read too"
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Originally posted by stoop
You never answered this Keith :
'So you are saying that because nobody has been raped in Calis that it will never happen and this guy or guys are just trying to abduct people so they can have a nice chat?'
One word answer please - yes or no?
Of course not, but as usual you miss the point.
I wouldn't go to visit a sick relative in hospital and come out with "of course, according to Government figures, 78% of people that are admitted to hospital with what you've got die in the first 3 days".
Everyone understands that there is a very real threat, and it isn't just you that has worked out that they don't want a "nice chat". Using figures to show how many women are raped simply wasn't necessary, and as conceded by you many hours later, nothing to do with the situation in Calis whatsoever.
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Sorry to go on Keith but I did not concede it had nothing to do with Calis. My point is that these attempts could quite easily become the next rape if they are not stopped. OK it hasn't happened and I hope it never does but stating that official numbers of attacks and rapes in a country has nothing to do with this is madness.
Maybe we should go like the other Calis forum you mentioned and censure this thread. If you want me to remove the post I made about the Sun article I will and of course Rimms could remove the link to the article from August 2008.
Yes it's a real threat and I believe bringing this to the attention of members might just make Calis a safer place.
Definitely my last post on this as I think it's gone as far as it can at the moment. Hopefully it will all fizzle out and whoever this person is either gets caught or buggers off somewhere else.
It's my birthday anyway and I have a barbecue to prepare for (after I've read my Sun :)
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Originally posted by stoop
From the sun today:
According to figures released 97% of attacks are by people known to the victim.
I guess that suggests it's not locals causing the problems but Brits themselves - unlike the problems in Calis at the moment.
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Look Boys, lets not fall out, but suffice to say that when you are on holiday particularly somewhere like Calis that we all love so much you do tend to let your guard down as you are relaxed and chilled....so this is just a reminder not to go into a mad panic about recent events, but just to be mindful and a little extra cautious than normal.
:)
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Well said June.Finally some common sense should prevail.I think all the teddys should be taken back out of the corner,and in the same way that break-ins are a common occurence and unwelcome at the moment,hand-bag snatching,abduction,flashingetc,is all unwelcome and can lead to dangerous situations for anyone involved.This is no different to back home,and worse in some ways,THIS is a holiday area,there are rich pickings to be had in some unscrupulous peoples eyes.Dont leave ur common sense at Dalaman and in the bottom of a 4tl Efes.Report anything untoward through channels posted on this forum,make people aware,as is being done,take the threat seriously,but don't let it dominate your thoughts or distract from living or holidaying here.Thankfully,violent crime is not as pravailent as back home.This is a lovely place,with some cracking people.Cheers.
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And for the good news police arrested two toe rags last night who were staying behind the yapi market ,when taken back they got two more plus a lot of stolen goods some of which was returned to its owners today,these toe rags came from the interior somewhere ,now they are banged up ,did you know that tinks if not why not you seem to know everything else.
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...did you know that tinks if not why not you seem to know everything else.
Lance - I trust that was a tongue-in-cheek remark ( a ;) would have helped). If not it is most certainly grossly unfair ad totally uncalled for.
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Don't do tongue in cheek thought you knew that another clan member ;)
But what about the good news aren't you bothered about that no its far more important to have a go at me isn't it very sad ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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That's good new Lance.:D:D
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Lance.Tinkerman has offered the people affected by these crimes
his time and knowledge in dealing with the Authorities.
What are you offering to do to help.???
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I didn't know it had been reported i only heard at 5pm from someone who had goods returned by police i wont bother in future just get on with it
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Originally posted by kevin3
Lance.Tinkerman has offered the people affected by these crimes
his time and knowledge in dealing with the Authorities.
What are you offering to do to help.???
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Nice of you to let us know .
Shame you had to have a go at someone at the same time.
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Im not sure about the indepth discussions going on but I would like to say how glad I am the forum exists, as I lived in calis for a year and always walked at night, feeling safe. I am back out on Monday and without this information I would have thought nothing of walking back to my house after dark alone...Not stupidity...ever cautious and sticking to main roads ect!! So forget what he said she said we said and be grateful that this info highway is doing a great service!!
Also do we know if the people taken by the police happen to have a beige or cream car??
Lesley
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Lance - it is good news and worthy of reporting. You remark about Tink was unworthy. It's as simple as that.
PS If by clan member you mean you are Scottish, my wife is Scottish but I seldom know or understand what she means.
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Ear,ear scary lady.Thers a wealth of exc info in this forum,butsometimes it gets clouded by cheap,low shots,that then make people reluctant to get involved.Theres avin a larf and a joke,and theres demeaning topics or making people feel that unless ur in a forum click,you'll get rubbished.And yes,I am a cock-e-ney and sometimes I spell it as i say it.Keep safe,be lucky,T.
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Originally posted by scareylady
Im not sure about the indepth discussions going on but I would like to say how glad I am the forum exists, as I lived in calis for a year and always walked at night, feeling safe. I am back out on Monday and without this information I would have thought nothing of walking back to my house after dark alone...Not stupidity...ever cautious and sticking to main roads ect!! So forget what he said she said we said and be grateful that this info highway is doing a great service!!
Also do we know if the people taken by the police happen to have a beige or cream car??
Lesley
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Please stop blaming each other - it does no good.
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Originally posted by tetmeister
butsometimes it gets clouded by cheap,low shots
Yes, like you are doing right here, right now. How about we get back to the important topic...
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I don't often post on here, but i do follow all the subjects on here as it keeps me in touch with everything that is going on and i feel like i'm a part of Calis even when i'm far away in good ol blighty. However, can i say that it saddens me that in the last few weeks there has been more and more 'nastiness' creeping into the posts and it often does not make nice reading. It takes the focus away from the excellent resource this forum is and i'm sure anyone tuning in for the first time would quickly tune out as it can often read like childish petty squabbling.
I'm sure its because feelings are running high at the moment with the things that are going on and people are feeling frustrated and frightened. But hey guys lets remember who the baddies are here and lets pull together to bring them to justice. I'm so appreciative of everything everyone is doing over there as i know how very frustrating the Turkish system can be in getting anything done.
So many many thanks Everyone.
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Just been brought to my attention another attack last night, a couple of girls and a lad were followed from the B52 last night by a man, he made suggetions to one of the girls then pulled a knife, luckily the police were called and the man was caught and is now in prison.
I should be going into the Police station tomorrow with the information I have collated, unfortunatley the attack on the family that minxer reported can not be verified by anyone, but I will ask about it while there.
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That is good news Tinks. Thank you and I hope it is the culprit who has been prowling around the area.
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That really good news they they have got someone, and same, we all hope this is person that has caused all the previous problems.
Hope you get on well at the Police Station Tinx, that e mail I had from the governor or Mugla said to ask for the Superior guy Mr Kaladeniz I think it was as he has been told about the recent events in Calis and apparently is taking it very seriously?, so may be an idea to see if he is there?......good luck, look forward to hearing the feedback.
June
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Well done Tinx, and good of you to take your time in helping sort this, I hope nobody was hurt in the latest one.
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Well done Tinx - you're doing a fantastic job. It's great that someone is prepared to use their own time to make the area safe again for everyone. Thank you so much. :)
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Just to Third that (2nd already been done..) Thanks Tinx for all your info and help. It just goes to prove that we are just one big family really...now lets all be nice.........sometimes???? Just like siblings there has to be disagreements sometimes xxx Thanks again Tinx (4th)
Lesley xx See you next week
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I'm not doing it for the plaudits, I live here with my wife and want it to be a safe place for us to go out and about whenever we want,
but thanks anyway ;)
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Don't worry Tinks Kate Ade is not there yet:D
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We of course Tinx do not need to be told that...
Thanks a lot and Good Luck
June
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hi guys is there any further information following this recent incident. Were planning to travel end of month with my young family including teenage girl. What time was the incedent, do we need to take extreme precausions or not?
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I think the universal answer would be "No more than you would in the UK".
Enjoy your holiday :)
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Thanx Highlander, we have had a chat bout the do's and dont's in Grt Yarmouth and these points we shall be adopting in Chalis too. Just a worrying trend by the sounds of it. Our youngest are 6&7 so walking home at night wont be a issue, were the attacks late at nite?
We shall have a wonderfull holiday, in that I have no doubts. :)
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Yes they were Patrick, but thats not to say you should let your guard down, as Highlander says be as you would in the UK, Calis is a lovely place with lots of lovely people, but like everywhere there are always one or two that make a nuisance of themselves...its life.
Have a great holiday.
June
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Thanx June, was just abit of a shock to see such awful news on the forum. Then panic sets in, Im from Birmingham and break ins, abduction attempts by idiots are a common occurance. Have the culprits been detained yet?
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thanxs tinxs
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Patrick, someone was detained the other night and is now in prison, Tinx is going to see the police today to help with any further enquiries and find out any further info.
June
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Scalpel nurse,raw nerve operation.Lighten up fella..
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butsometimes it gets clouded by cheap,low shots
Yes, like you are doing right here, right now. How about we get back to the important topic...
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thats bad i thought tukey was safe except istanbull :S cant believe people are so far and do that, the police are bad round here you dont realy see them around! ! the only place you will find most of them are at the cake shops its unbelievable [:(!], what we should do is put a cake stall on the corner of the dolphin roundabout i bet they would be there quicker than you could blink your eyelids :S police are just shocking round here its unreal!
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Tonight three bonnie young sixteen year old girls were stalked up Baris Manco Bulvari by a fifty odd year old guy in an aging (rust bucket) white car. They did not know the make or registration but it sounds well familiar. He kerb crawled behind them for a while then accelerated past them and stopped. As I had already informed their parents and they had passed it on, they crossed over the road to pass him. I tried to arrange a "posse" as there were plenty able bodied guys present but the girls assured us that he was long gone. It was not reported to the police but the girls were really shook up. Was there no result from reporting the reg number to police and if not, why not[?][?]
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If any of the girls out there are like me, I think the best you could hope for is a reg number. I'm totally useless when it comes to cars and unless i was close enough to read what was on the back of the car i'd have absolutely no idea what make or model it was.. Maybe some general pictures would help to identify these cars if anybody has some..
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Oh dear, yes Ken that does sound all too familiar and I would say it has to be the same guy, I don't understand why the police cannot place themselves off Baris Manco Bulvari at night and wait, they are sure to get him and quite quickly I would have thought, failing that we have the reg number of the white Merc...but then if no one has reported anything to the police?:(
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The only registration plate we have is of the Mercedes, there are two cars involved in these both white/cream, the other one is a smaller fiat type car. I will pass this latest incident to the police when I see them again tomorrow,.
These incidents have to be reported if we are going to get anywhere.
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The girls are here for a few weeks yet so I gave them the police number, 155 and the direct number for the bar at Violet.
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These 2 cars could be 2 different people or it may be 1 person using 2 cars to lessen the chance of being caught so I would be aware of all cars not just the 2 we know about.
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Do they have lady Jandarma? If so, couldn't they dress one up with a blonde wig and get her to stroll in that area?
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my friend was pulled clean off her scooter on a main road whilst in motion and attacked. on her way back to calis from hisaranou on sunday night earlly monday morning 2am.
she struggled with him,and screamed,,people from surrounding aparts came to her aid,and she got away with a few scratches on herself and the bike, and a shock, thank god. i begged her to go and report it but she wont due to a prevous visit to police.described him as mid to late 20,s barman/waiter attire.
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Sorry Minxer
But I am afraid that your friends attitude is not going to help matters. If we want something done regarding these attacks/attempts, they should be reported to the police, with as much information as possible. The police cannot apprehend anyone with just hearsay. So please anyone, who knows someone who has been attacked/attempted abduction, get them to the police station and get this reported.
Kaz
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i agree
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I tell you what Minxer, I thank heaven that I don't know you, it seems a large proportion of your friends and acquaintances suffer really bad luck.
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Minxer the jinxer ;):D
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a large proportion being 2 that i know personally? i live seconds away from where most of these incidents took place, so i hear about them whether i want to or not.
also the tone of your message rimms(intentional or not) suggests to fellow readers that iam inventing incidents.
this forum is very bitchy at times.
put ya claws in!
jinxer! 8)
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isn't that the description of the guy who attacked you and your sister?
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Originally posted by minxer
i really sincerely hate to have to add to this topic but i have to.. i was followed broad daylight by a guy dressed in garcon uniform down the road adjacent to the ceren hotel on the beach front.. i could hear the footsteps getting closer and 1st thought it was my bag he was after.. i clutched on to it and carried on walking, he came rite up behind me put his hand straight up the back of my skirt and grabbed my backside,i stupidly hit him in the face and ran,just instinct,
around 1 week later i decided to walk the same route as i will not be intimidated by these loons..i just couldnt believe my eyes as i realized the exact same guy was following me again!! again middle of the day.. this time i turned on my heel and walked straight towards him, he was very flustered and proceded to ask me where calis beach was?!!! i pointed to the sea. and he scuttled off.. he was mid to late twenties,definate waiter attire.
a lastly was my sister and i walkingfrom the malhun hotel in the direction of b52 on a packed street, this man whisked past us wearing a walkman/ipod unfortunately on his way past he managed to get his hand clean up my sisters sundress and grab her private parts.. he was so quik,, definately not the first time this guy has done this.
the police attitude was that if you are wearing anything over the knee you are asking for it. this really is a problem here. i carry a rape alarm with me at all times.. better to be safe than sorry.. i also have the dog with me most of the time wich is brilliant security wise. i really didnt want to post this but it happened,
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yep sounds like the same guy?
Have you been to see your friend since this happened Minxer?
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There's an undertone of doubt from some people about Minxers post, and anyone reading them might be put off by the chance they wont be believed,I cant see anyone posting on this topic without reason, and if she lives in close vicinity to these events then she's bound to hear more than most, lets stick to the facts, and KENKAY, I hope the girls are ok, and they report it, Moe.
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Could a local newspaper(Fethiye times?) or Turkish newspaper be persuaded to print an article about all these attacks? Might make a lot more local people aware of whats going on
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On paper only a couple of incidents have been reported, I doubt the papers will be interested in hearsay.
It is very important that all incidents are reported to the police, if you don't, then you could be partially responsible if this man succeeds one night.
Baz
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Agree Baz, this has been worrying me, please report all incidents, I would hate to have it on my conscience, for the sake of reporting it,
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I know after something like that happening the last thing you would want to do is go to police with all the hassles that it entails, but, unless these attempted abductions are reported there is little or no chance of getting the police to react or do anything.
I can quite honestly say if that happened to me I would MOST DEFINATELY go to the police, for the safety of all others as well as myself.....that would be hopefully after I left his bits on the floor beside him!!!:D
Ken, please try and get these girls to go to the Police, the e mail I had as a reply to my 'very specific' e mail to the governor of Mugla was as follows:-
'The police need to collect clear eveidence about the point in issue in Calis, he called Fethiye District Police Station and informed Mr Okan Karadeniz about the bad incidents in the Calis area, Mr Okan is the superior in this division and he is investigating the pointed alleged crime.
He wants names and address to do with the incident and to ask for Mr Okan Karadeniz at the Fethiye District Police Station, his contact number is 0090 252 614 13 09.
So please encourage anyone that has suffered this to contact this guy, they can do no more unless we tell them.
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tinkerman.
iam angry at your reply.
and the friend who was dragged off her own moterbike on her way home doesnt mind me telling you her name is dawn ,,she has lived here many years, and for your information i was with her the day after this happenend for most of the day.
how dare you insinuate that i would post untrue reports of this nature on a public forum. you are either just very argumentative or sick in the head,i dont care wich really.
if you were stood infront of me right now i would be finding it difficult not to slap you and your moronic comments back to where they came from.. its no wonder people have warned me off coming near this bloody forum.[:(!]
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Originally posted by Rimms
I tell you what Minxer, I thank heaven that I don't know you, it seems a large proportion of your friends and acquaintances suffer really bad luck.
I have been reading this topic but up until now have not replied as it`s a very serious subject and as most of you are aware I don`t do serious.
I do have a question though, is minxer related to Linda1953 ;)
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Originally posted by Crabbit
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Originally posted by Rimms
I tell you what Minxer, I thank heaven that I don't know you, it seems a large proportion of your friends and acquaintances suffer really bad luck.
I have been reading this topic but up until now have not replied as it`s a very serious subject and as most of you are aware I don`t do serious.
I do have a question though, is minxer related to Linda1953 ;)
I admit to only reading bits of this topic but as usual, I have just started at the end. That is the funniest thing I have read in ages....
Whatever happened to Linda 1953.....
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if your gonna be making what i think are personal remarks that are very below the belt, at least have the balls to do it without being disguised as a crab. another moron. are you a wee head aswell?
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shall we talk about the price off effes instead? moron
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Oh dear. That's one you won't win.....
Moron.... now that really is a personal comment.....
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Originally posted by lynne
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Originally posted by Crabbit
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Originally posted by Rimms
I tell you what Minxer, I thank heaven that I don't know you, it seems a large proportion of your friends and acquaintances suffer really bad luck.
I have been reading this topic but up until now have not replied as it`s a very serious subject and as most of you are aware I don`t do serious.
I do have a question though, is minxer related to Linda1953 ;)
I admit to only reading bits of this topic but as usual, I have just started at the end. That is the funniest thing I have read in ages....
Whatever happened to Linda 1953.....
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not as personal as referring to this topic as the funniest thing you read in ages? i thought moron was quite tame
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I'm sorry Minxer, but if you read my comment carefully, I quoted Crabbit's comment, not the topic, as being the funniest thing I have read in ages. The topic is extremely serious but Crabbit's comment was extremely funny, as he also said.
Insults to members is not the way forward with this topic or indeed any topic at all. I would not insult you or call you names and I expect the same courtesy.
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Originally posted by lynne
Oh dear. That's one you won't win.....
Moron.... now that really is a personal comment.....
i have no intention of winning or losing anything!
i came on here today to let people know of another incident, serious in nature. i get accused of lying/making it up etc. and a load of insulting garbage thrown my way.
iam really angry at the way this has been recieved today. wont bother again unless it involves the price of beer.
being accused of lying is also very personal.
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the comment you found funny from crabbit?
would you care to share what exactly was funny about it. i also expect the same courtesy as you do. the remark you quoted as funny was a direct comparison of myself to someone i dont know?
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Originally posted by minxer
tinkerman.
iam angry at your reply.
and the friend who was dragged off her own moterbike on her way home doesnt mind me telling you her name is dawn ,,she has lived here many years, and for your information i was with her the day after this happenend for most of the day.
how dare you insinuate that i would post untrue reports of this nature on a public forum. you are either just very argumentative or sick in the head,i dont care wich really.
if you were stood infront of me right now i would be finding it difficult not to slap you and your moronic comments back to where they came from.. its no wonder people have warned me off coming near this bloody forum.[:(!]
Minxer I havent got a clue what your on about?
I am trying to get info for my visit to the police, all I asked is, could this be the same person who attacked you and your sister? and have you seen her since the incident?
I have also e mailed you last week for more info but you havent replied for some reason?
Tinx[?]
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Minxer, if it seems that to you that the comments made feel personal. I am sure that they are not.
Please again I am asking and I am sure many others would do, take your fiends to the police and make formal statements of the incidents. they cannot act on hearsay alone, the need evidence.
Kaz
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Minxer,I can't see the point in making such a big deal about something that nearly happened if you are going to do nothing about it, we are all alerted to the attempted abductions but action speaks louder than words.
Also if you were warned off the forum, then why bother coming on it...personally I have never had a problem with anyone on here, and Tinx is trying to help, as he says he lives there so wants a resolution to the problem.
Crabbits comment was humourous....don't take it to heart.....chill.
Get some details for the police......its important..
June
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All incidents should be reported to the police no matter how small they seem as this will help to force the police into taking some action.If all incidents are not reported these people could do something really bad & I am sure noboby wants to see someone badly hurt before these people are caught so please report all incidents to the police.
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Originally posted by minxer
i came on here today to let people know of another incident, serious in nature. i get accused of lying/making it up etc. and a load of insulting garbage thrown my way.
I didn't accuse you of lying, what I said was that I have never heard of anyone (well maybe one other person) who has had so much bad luck, from memory ;
You have been followed twice by the same guy and sexually assaulted.
Your Sister was sexually assaulted in the main street.
You had your hanbag stolen from right under your sunbed on the beach, lost passports etc.
Reported attempted abduction on a family with 2 girls plus their father being threatened.
A woman broken into and then being demanded money by the police for giving a statement.
The police escorting this same woman home on the Dolmus to get their money.
Another break in at a friends villa.
A Friend who was dragged off a moving motorbike and attacked.
So you decide !
I don't think many people will be asking for a copy of your lottery numbers !
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And I was just mucking about.
I find the matter very serious, and have posted in that vein earlier. Good work Tinx, I hope you can give some form to this which will help the police. It seems some people aren't reporting due (in some cases) bad previous experiences with the police. The police need to rethink the way they deal with things and the public need to report ALL incidents. It's the only way forward, IMHO.
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at the moment Linda just soting the wheat from the chaff, so far three bits of corn and a six foot pile of chaff.
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Rimms tinx Crabbit etc
please stop having a go at this girl (minxer)
All shes trying to do is report the incidencies to people so they know to be more careful when out and about
i dont think taking the pee out of her bad luck is really helping
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I have kept my eye on this post but have not responded until now.
What has happened is unacceptable and all incidents must be reported to the Police no matter how much time and effort it takes. I know this has been said countless times before but just because we are on holiday or indeed reside in Calis we should still be on guard and take the same precautions that we would anywhere else.
I am coming out in August with my family and I am grateful for this forum for keeping me informed. I am especially grateful for people like Tinkerman who are doing their best to get this problem resolved. I do think that the posts on here are going off track and it is getting too personal. Nobody forces anyone to use this forum - if you don't like it; then don't participate - its that simple!
These are isolated incidents which of course does not detract from the seriousness of them or the fact that it could get more serious. It really is as simple as this:
Be vigilant, be safe but still enjoy Calis. If you witness or heaven forbid are part of an attack - report it!
I for one cannot wait to come out in August.
Not sure I have articulated this very well but I am getting off my soapbox now!
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Barbara,
Thats just what we have all said so many times and also how we all feel.
I feel so sorry for the people it has happened to, but please stop talking and take some action...its the only way forward.
June
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Originally posted by Rimms
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Originally posted by minxer
i came on here today to let people know of another incident, serious in nature. i get accused of lying/making it up etc. and a load of insulting garbage thrown my way.
I didn't accuse you of lying, what I said was that I have never heard of anyone (well maybe one other person) who has had so much bad luck, from memory ;
You have been followed twice by the same guy and sexually assaulted.
Your Sister was sexually assaulted in the main street.
You had your hanbag stolen from right under your sunbed on the beach, lost passports etc.
Reported attempted abduction on a family with 2 girls plus their father being threatened.
A woman broken into and then being demanded money by the police for giving a statement.
The police escorting this same woman home on the Dolmus to get their money.
Another break in at a friends villa.
A Friend who was dragged off a moving motorbike and attacked.
So you decide !
I don't think many people will be asking for a copy of your lottery numbers !
gr8 summary rimms, thanks for that,at least half of it is other peoples bad luck!! and is a warning to other residents/to wake up and realize that this stuff is happening around them.
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Originally posted by june
Minxer,I can't see the point in making such a big deal about something that nearly happened if you are going to do nothing about it, we are all alerted to the attempted abductions but action speaks louder than words.
Also if you were warned off the forum, then why bother coming on it...personally I have never had a problem with anyone on here, and Tinx is trying to help, as he says he lives there so wants a resolution to the problem.
Crabbits comment was humourous....don't take it to heart.....chill.
Get some details for the police......its important..
June
i cannot force my friend to the police station.and i wouldnt call being dragged of a bike being something that nearlly happened.
you are rite however action does speak louder than words.
as for crabbits comments i still dont understand what was humerous about comparing me to another member that i dont know?
iam under the impression that the forum was going to be used as a reference to the police to demonstrate the amount of incidents,, reported or not?
i have posted details of each incident in the hope that it may make others aware whilst they are here.
i can only be responsible for reporting to police my own stuff, which i have done.
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Well after reading this forum for weeks before I came to calis here I am. We personally get a dolmus on the main street in calis and get dropped near our villa 1.5lira each. Or if you are relly worried, get a taxi, what price peace of mind ??!!
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The bit I don't understand Minxer is your ip address is in Halifax?
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Originally posted by tinkerman
The bit I don't understand Minxer is your ip address is in Halifax?
Surely Not. How would it be possible to post from Calis and have your IP address show Halifax
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Strange, I would not have thought it was?????
Minxer.......your call
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Don't get hung up on IP addresses, at the moment mine is showing Cardiff Wales, I wouldn't like to walk it though, Scunner caught me out on another, I clicked the wrong IP and showed as Sichuan the day the were having a earthquake in China, if I use my hotmail account I am in Amsterdam.
back to topic, would I report an incident? NO. I have been on the end of the police in Fethiye along with the consulate in Marmaris, never never again.
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Not that it is any of you or yours business i arrived back in england/manchester for a week on sunday night the 18th of july.
and will be returning on the ezy 1942 flight on the 25th of july arrival in dlm at 2050 hours just under a week later.
i will then be taken by shuttle bus from dlm to my home in calis beach and dropped off outside the dawn beach hotel at arround 11.30pm.
i will probably be wearing jeans and have a full to bursting suitcase full of stuff for my dog and cats that live with me in calis.
i live just behind scarllet bar should any of you want to come and check me out, and maybe have a cup of tea. any further investigation you freaks may wish to continue can be done from there!!!
as for the halifax ip address... not a clue i live in cheshire!
the ip address showing when i post from calis i do not know about as i split the internet bill with a neighbour and piggy back the connection.
occasionally i do take my laptop out with me in calis and use the free wifi available at the bars,, usually the shamrock or dawn beach..whilst in these establishments i drink coffee and chat with my friends. should you require anymore information just ask!
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its big brother in calis!!! : :)
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i think all this drivvle would be insulting to the people involved in the incidents on this subject. thanks to loz for clearing up confusion regs unimportant i.p addresses.
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Minxer, you say your friend was pulled off her scooter Sunday/Monday night at 2am, how come it took you a week to report it on here, knowing this thread was here and you have contributed to it many times, you said you spent most of the following day with her, it couldn't have been last Sunday as you were in the UK.
Baz 8)
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my mistake it was saturday nite/ sunday morning.i was with her on the sunday afternoon....
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therefore it didnt take me a week to report it on the forum.... any danger of you all getting off my case? bullying by forum..interesting topic
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Just trying to get the facts right.
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no mate ya trying to make me look like a liar.
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Minxer, one of the things you pick up on the forum is writing styles and what may not be actually written but is implied in the post (you know, just like when you thought I was implying that you are making some of this stuff up)
Your report written on the 21st about your friend being dragged off the motorbike and attacked, implied you were in Calis, when you had actually been in England for 2 days, your reply about being unable to 'drag your friend to the police station' also did not mention that you were not physically in Calis and so unable to drag anyone anywhere.
So let me tell you where this leaves me. Initially, I welcomed your posts to inform others to be on their guard, but then I noticed your writing style included sustained attacks on the response of police to these incidents and how several of your reported victims would not go back and make a report due to various 'problems' they had encountered when making previous reports (it seems you could double my summary list if you included these previous incidents)
You paint a picture of a 'war zone' like Calis where you can't go out (unless armed) or leave your property unattended and where the police are almost as bad as the reported perpetrators. Well Minxer, I'm sorry, but that's not the Calis I recognise and therefore will read your inevitable future posts of doom & gloom with interest but while taking a cup of tea and piece of sceptic cake.
I was subject to a burglary crime several years ago and unlike the 'dust pan & brush' police forensics you describe, the police were not only thorough but brilliant, within 2 weeks they had caught the offenders, sent them to prison and they kept me in touch with progress.
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Originally posted by minxer
Not that it is any of you or yours business i arrived back in england/manchester for a week on sunday night the 18th of july.
and will be returning on the ezy 1942 flight on the 25th of july arrival in dlm at 2050 hours just under a week later.
i will then be taken by shuttle bus from dlm to my home in calis beach and dropped off outside the dawn beach hotel at arround 11.30pm.
i will probably be wearing jeans and have a full to bursting suitcase full of stuff for my dog and cats that live with me in calis.
i live just behind scarllet bar should any of you want to come and check me out, and maybe have a cup of tea. any further investigation you freaks may wish to continue can be done from there!!!
as for the halifax ip address... not a clue i live in cheshire!
the ip address showing when i post from calis i do not know about as i split the internet bill with a neighbour and piggy back the connection.
occasionally i do take my laptop out with me in calis and use the free wifi available at the bars,, usually the shamrock or dawn beach..whilst in these establishments i drink coffee and chat with my friends. should you require anymore information just ask!
Thanks for the description
now I know who, when and where to avoid. ;)
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Can I make a suggestion here to the admin team. Start a new thread entitled "Abductions INFORMATION ONLY".
That way anyone who want to have a go at or slagging someone else off can do it under this thread. People will then know where to look for the only inmportant information on this matter is to be found rather than havng to wade through some of the irrelevant stuff posted under this thread:(.
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I agree highlander this is getting silly - its not fair to keep picking/accusing some one when none of us know if it is true or not!
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in response to rimms. i was with lady involved in the bike incident on sunday afternoon trying to persuade her to go to the police. i posted the thread when i got bak to the uk. she just would not go.
whether i was in calis or timbuctoo when posting is irrelevent
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OK lets get back on topic now. These abduction attempts have been going on far too long in my view (I think Sandgrounder posted a warning in January this year) and we should all pull together to try and get these poeple stopped.
Any more off topic posts will be deleted.
Cheers
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I deleted the last 3 posts as promised. If you want to carry on having a go at each other then please do it via email.
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Well this is getting a right mess, if the turkish authorities were reading this they would be laughing their heads off,
I can understand some people getting upset, but I agree with LOZ,on every bit of her posts,
I know we are not talking of past incidents, and i'm glad because these things are NOT new to Calis, and I am glad I have never posted stuff from the past that HAS happened,(not to me) and leave a cloud of doubt on here, or being ridiculed for posting.
It would be nice to get back on track and and be the friendly forum that we were,I know alot of feelings are running high and people are afraid, but lets get back to brass tacks and catch these scumbags.
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Much earlier on I suggested people stay focussed and only blame the perpretrators and no one else!
My concern is that too much detail is begining to deceive people. Part of the prOblem is that some people have a 'half full' glass and see Calis as safe and a wonderful holiday destination and some people have a 'half empty' glass and see Calis as increasingly unsafe and that no one doing anything about it.
Because these position cannot be reconciled lets have some respite and move on.
I like H's suggestion!
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I too like H's suggestion. It would be good if Tinkerman had a closed topic for posting any progress as well.
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i agree with stoop, get back to what is important
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What is important is the truth, I will not go to the police with anything but, If I went with the stuff that has been written on here and they found out it was not the truth where do we go from there?
Everything would be lost in credibility and we would not be believed in anything we went to them with,me or anybody else.
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Quite right Andy.
Baz
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Its about time this thread was locked.The real incidents are being lost in personal abuse.If the people to whom these incidents accurred will not,or are not prepared to report them so be it.Friends or so called friends reporting with second hand knowledge do nothing but damage to visitors/holiday makers and to us the residents.I cannot recognise Calis from the majority of this thread.enough!!!!!!!
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I agree with you John ;) I have good direct information from the victims of attacks that have been reported on here and can hand it to the police, but I have to sift out first that which is not true or I am wasting my time and could damage the credibility of all future reports.
Bloody hell thats a first! agreeing with John.
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OK - let's lock it and we can start a new topic if anything needs to be reported. Rest assured the mods will be keeping a close eye on it and anything that is off topic will be deleted.
So - this is locked now and a new thread can be started by anyone who has any relevant information.