Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: kismetbar on July 19, 2009, 12:18:34 PM
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Well today's the day! We've got the posters up and leaflets on every table. And for anyone who thinks it won't be enforced, there was a team out at one this morning checking on establishments!!!
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Being compassionate guys, you can have this to print off :D
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Like it a lot Keith...Have printed it out and its now on the doors..got to keep the sense of humour going.
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:) Nice one Keith, Ian, you could be on to a little earner there. ;)
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good sign to put up it will be hard going on the peeps who run the bars and restuarants to enforce the rule ,good luck ian
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We would just like to say a big thankyou to everyone of our customers for adhering to the National Smoking Ban. It was our Sunday Fun Quiz and as ususal we were busy, Everyone both Turkish and English were in good humour about it and smoked outside. I know that it is early days and helped by the hot weather, but maybe the implementation of the ban will not be so bad afterall
Fingers Crossed
Ian
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That's good news Ian. :)
Me and hubby are non-smokers, and wondered how on earth a ban on smoking would ever work in the UK, where pubs and bars were soooooo smokey every time we went out. We are amazed to see that it has worked so well, tho I'm sure others will tell me differently!
But from our point of view, it has been great. We have friends who smoke, so we sometimes sit in the "smoking area" outside the pub,often in a covered area with patio heaters. It gives everyone the choice, rather than non-smokers having to sit in a smokey, confined space.
I really hope it works in Turkey. I'm sure the brits will be ok with it as they are used to the new(ish) laws in the UK - just wonder how the Turks will find it .................. :-\
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i am a non smoker, misses smokes and has had no problem going to the smoking areas,down side how many pubs have closed in the uk,just hope some of the bars are still there next year
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thats where its going to hit me :( i enjoy being in a resturant and being able to smoke i reckon its going to hit the smokers hard
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Sorry Alex - as a non smoker, there's nothing worse than people smoking in restaurants, when you're eating. :(
At least in Turkey, there are plenty of outside places to smoke, as the weather is so much better than in the UK. :)
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yeah thats true, does the smoking ban apply if your in a resturant with an in and an outside section? or can you still smoke in the out section of it?
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Hi,
Very early days yet regards the smoking ban, but already signs that there are going to be severe consequences, with pictures in yesterdays papers of empty bars and restaurants in Instanbul.
Aside from our own feelings and thoughts on the subject, as tourists and ex pats, there is a very real issue for the Turkish economy. It has been predicted that as many as 1,000,000 people will lose their jobs in the traditional Turkish coffee houses, which are an ancient part of Turkish culture. Just what the country needs in this time of record unemployment.
Personally, yes I do smoke, I am not a heavy smoker, but there are certain circumstances that I do enjoy a cigarette in, I suspect in line with most smokers, and that is whilst having a beer, or after a meal. Sorry but thats just the way it is!LOL My apologies to non smokers, but the pendulum has now swung way too far it the other direction, although I dont expect any sympathy from non smokers.LOL
The problem is going to come in the interpretation of the law, which as usual in Turkey will be a nightmare, and I feel very sorry for the bar and restaurant owners who will be walking a very thin line.
Recently in the Turkish daily news I read that the ban on smoking in outside areas, which was originally included in the new law, has been delayed. The definition in the paper of an INSIDE area was an area with at least two sides and a roof.
That sounded quite promising, and should have allowed for a puff outside most bars and restaurants.
However, at the weekend the same paper then gave the definition of an OUTSIDE area as follows: An area that is open on all 4 sides, and where you can see the sky.
Now that is something quite different and I doubt that any bar or restaurant would actually qualify, in fact it seems to me that the only place you can smoke is in the middle of an open field!! It actually said that you cannot smoke under an umbrella!!
As I say, it will all be down to the interpretation of the rules, and if there are 14,000 Gestapo going around monitoring things, you can rest assured there will be 14,000 different interpretations, all of which will result in fines. The bar and restaurant owners do not stand a chance.
For example, I was in a restaurant in Hisaranu in Late April. We were sitting inside when the owner informed us that if we wished to smoke we would have to sit outside, as the Zabita were already inforcing the no smoking ban and several bars and restaurants had been fined already that day!!!!!!!! It didnt even start until the 19th of July!! So what chance has anyone got???
I am convinced that it will also have an impact on Tourism, not this year but surely next, no doubt you non smokers will argue that the numbers will rise,LOL but I am convinced they will fall.
I am sorry, but as much as I love Turkey it seems they are hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot all the time.
I dont expect any non smokers to agree with me, and during the summer if common sense is applied things may not change too much for bar and restaurants in tourist areas, unfortunately I dont think the same can be said for businesses in non Tourist areas. The problem is going to arise for those bars and restaurants that stay open in winter, when smoking outside is not going to be quite such an easy option. Personally I shall be doing what I did in the UK when the ban started, staying at home!! I may well not be typical of a smoker in that decision, but if I am then I see big trouble ahead for bars and restaurants.
Gordon
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It's a smoking ban, not the end of the world. It has been put in place to help people live longer and be heathier, and not to kill the person next to you, who could be your son or daughter you are murdering, because everybody knows smoking kills and you are doing it knowing you can kill them.
Use your intellegence, smoking is killing you.
No smokers will travel anywhere in europe any more cause there is also smoking bans there as well. what a boring world the smokers will live in, only smoking in their own homes killing their own families.
Baz 8) (ex smoker:D)
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Don't hold back Baz, Tell it how it is ;)
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Lots of valid points Gordon.Along with the huge rise in break-ins,attempted abductions etc,Turkey has a lot to chew over at the moment.i'm a non-smoker,but I'm spending more time indoors protecting my castle and waiting for any petty chancer coming across its threshold,for which I have installed some welcoming treats.P.S Think once again,common sense should prevail with the smoking ,but probably won't;used to enjoy a roll-up and a pint meself at one time.
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Originally posted by 1gor2don
Hi,
Very early days yet regards the smoking ban, but already signs that there are going to be severe consequences, with pictures in yesterdays papers of empty bars and restaurants in Instanbul.
Aside from our own feelings and thoughts on the subject, as tourists and ex pats, there is a very real issue for the Turkish economy. It has been predicted that as many as 1,000,000 people will lose their jobs in the traditional Turkish coffee houses, which are an ancient part of Turkish culture. Just what the country needs in this time of record unemployment.
Personally, yes I do smoke, I am not a heavy smoker, but there are certain circumstances that I do enjoy a cigarette in, I suspect in line with most smokers, and that is whilst having a beer, or after a meal. Sorry but thats just the way it is!LOL My apologies to non smokers, but the pendulum has now swung way too far it the other direction, although I dont expect any sympathy from non smokers.LOL
The problem is going to come in the interpretation of the law, which as usual in Turkey will be a nightmare, and I feel very sorry for the bar and restaurant owners who will be walking a very thin line.
Recently in the Turkish daily news I read that the ban on smoking in outside areas, which was originally included in the new law, has been delayed. The definition in the paper of an INSIDE area was an area with at least two sides and a roof.
That sounded quite promising, and should have allowed for a puff outside most bars and restaurants.
However, at the weekend the same paper then gave the definition of an OUTSIDE area as follows: An area that is open on all 4 sides, and where you can see the sky.
Now that is something quite different and I doubt that any bar or restaurant would actually qualify, in fact it seems to me that the only place you can smoke is in the middle of an open field!! It actually said that you cannot smoke under an umbrella!!
As I say, it will all be down to the interpretation of the rules, and if there are 14,000 Gestapo going around monitoring things, you can rest assured there will be 14,000 different interpretations, all of which will result in fines. The bar and restaurant owners do not stand a chance.
For example, I was in a restaurant in Hisaranu in Late April. We were sitting inside when the owner informed us that if we wished to smoke we would have to sit outside, as the Zabita were already inforcing the no smoking ban and several bars and restaurants had been fined already that day!!!!!!!! It didnt even start until the 19th of July!! So what chance has anyone got???
I am convinced that it will also have an impact on Tourism, not this year but surely next, no doubt you non smokers will argue that the numbers will rise,LOL but I am convinced they will fall.
I am sorry, but as much as I love Turkey it seems they are hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot all the time.
I dont expect any non smokers to agree with me, and during the summer if common sense is applied things may not change too much for bar and restaurants in tourist areas, unfortunately I dont think the same can be said for businesses in non Tourist areas. The problem is going to arise for those bars and restaurants that stay open in winter, when smoking outside is not going to be quite such an easy option. Personally I shall be doing what I did in the UK when the ban started, staying at home!! I may well not be typical of a smoker in that decision, but if I am then I see big trouble ahead for bars and restaurants.
Gordon
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Agree with Gordon about the effect on the pubs etc and people staying in, its happened here with lots of pubs in our area closing down,
I also agree with Baz, though I am a smoker, but Gordons post makes sense, especially how the law will be defined,If the ban has the impact its had here, then the restaurants and bars wil feel it,time will tell.
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Yes time will tell, but the smokers are making it sound like only smokers go drinking and eating, I think there are a lot more non smokers nowadays, who will still use the bars and restaurants, moreso now they don't have to put up with smokers at the next table.
Baz
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The same stories were going around last year when they banned smoking in the malls and people were moaning it would kill the malls....well guess what, the malls are still there and just as busy.
Not sure where the article about bars and cafes being empty but as I live here, I have not seen any difference although for a photographer to go around and take photos of empty bars is just as easy now as it was last week or last year.
End of the day, Europe has gone this way and so has north america so it seems to be a trend the world is taking on, just like most countries fell into line when slavery was abolished or women got the vote or capital punishment. We have to get used to it and people will live around it and get used to it and carry on with their lives as they do every other day.
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Agree with you Baz and Starman. As I said in an earlier post, we have friends (and family) who smoke, and, as long as there's an open space, I have no objection to sitting with them whilst they have a fag.
BUT that's my choice. I absolutely hate having smoke blown in my face whilst in a restaurant eating. (I also objected to it very strongly when my kids were young. Nothing worse than a tiny baby smelling of smoke, cos the parents smoke in the house, around the child. :( )
As long as there are suitable places for smokers to go (as in the UK) I don't see a problem. Many pubs are closing not because of the ban on smoking in pubs, but because of the recession. People are losing jobs, prices are going up - people just don't have the money to go out. [|)] Also, the cost of beer, wine etc in supermarkets is now so low, more and more people stay in and invite friends round. It costs a fraction of what it costs to go out.
As Starman says, most of Europe now has a ban on smoking, so most holiday spots will be the same. Really don't think it will affect the tourist trade in Turkey at all. It's just such a shame it has to affect people's livlihoods re jobs etc.
Smokers are not going to agree with me obviously ....................
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smokers have tunnel vision ..i know i was one!!
in new york your not even allowed to smoke in the street and that hasnt affected tourism.
the writing is on the wall... smoking kills!! and these laws are not going to go away.
however i believe they are not in force in egypt yet though!!
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As I said in my earlier post, I didnt expect any sympathy from non smokers. I fully respect the views on non smokers and I appreciate how unpleasant it is for people who dont smoke to be subjected to other peoples smoke, for example I would never sit in the smoking area of an aircraft when smoking was still allowed as it was so unpleasant. Nor do I, even as a smoker, wish to have smoke billowing across me when I am eating.
I was most certainly not advocating that the rights of non smokers should be ignored, just that the recent law is ill concieved and badly timed and will lead to huge problems of interpretation, and possibly huge job losses for Turkish people.
To put things into perspective Turkey is only the 2nd or 3rd country in Europe to invoke such stringent anti smoking laws, most countries have moved to segregation of smokers and non smokers, which surely has to be a better option and satifies the rights of both parties.
I assume Baz that you are also an ex-driver, as cars and vehicles kill 10's of thousands of people every year, many of whom were neither driving or even in the vehicles that kill them. Perhaps we should ban cars as well. In fact the list of things that kill people through no fault of their own is endless.
Gordon
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I am still a driver, cars don't kill, the irresponsible driver does, normally doing something they shouldn't, like speeding.(I am all for banning irresponsible drivers)
Resposible drivers don't set out to kill someone, smokers however, know they are affecting the health of those around them and could eventually kill them.
Baz 8)
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Originally posted by stuart
i believe they are not in force in egypt yet though!!
Ha ha, I cant wait for Cavfan to suddenly say she fancies a holiday in Eygpt! She'll be going on her own if she does! ;)
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What next? Close down Mc Donalds and Burgerking's as eating them causes obesity!
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Originally posted by simpsons
What next? Close down Mc Donalds and Burgerking's
Oh my god, are deliberately going out of your way to upset Scunner :D:D
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Couldn't give a flyng whatsit if a smoker chooses to smoke - their choice not mine. But I object to them having it their way so the compromise is have a suitable area designated for smokers where non smokers do not have to go. We are as entitled to clean air as you are to a fag. As for the toursit trade being affected I can't see people giving up a holiday because they can't smoke and I can't see them having gone on holiday sitting in the hotel room because the restraunts won't let them smoke- of course not.
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I'm an ex-smoker and I prefer smoke free pubs/restaurants.
The thing about smoking that really bothers me is the hypocrisy; not from smokers or non-smokers but from the government. On the one hand they say "Oooo, smoking bad, don't smoke" on the other hand, they rake in billions from fag tax. If they were serious about public health, they would ban the sale of fags altogether and raise the tax another way; if not, continue to allow people to smoke and stop going on about the harm.
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HERE HERE blackadder!!! The british government would be really out of pocket if no-one smoked.. then how would they claim their expenses??:D
I have recently quit smoking as the smell now i'm expecting makes me sick, but...
A fag and a pint go together if your a smoker and so long as you're in the outside part of the bar i don't see that it should matter, i'm all for banning smoking inside as it is unfair to those who don't smoke to have to suffer it, especially in confined spaces.
Even as a smoker I hated it when i was having a meal and someone would blow smoke my way but i think that is just plain ignorant and inconsiderate. I'd always make the effort to move away from the table if people nearby were eating.
I don't think that smokers should be sent well out of the way to have a fag because they choose to smoke, i think they have as much right to enjoy a smoke and a drink as non-smokers do to enjoy a drink and fresh air.
Whatever happened to compromise? and common courtesy?? let the smokers smoke outside, the non-smokers can sit inside if they wish and if you fancy a fag after your meal, be considerate to those around you and move away if people are eating...
Give and take peeps...
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smoking ban or beer tax ?
UK 'is losing 52 pubs each week'
The number of city centre bars and cafes has increased
UK pubs closed at a rate of 52 per week in the first half of the year - a third more than the same period in 2008 - the British Beer & Pub Association said.
Local pubs were the most vulnerable as communities were hit by the fallout of the economic downturn, it added.
The research suggested businesses that provide food were far more resilient to the recession.
And branded pubs and cafe-style bars were opening at a rate of two a week, according to the report.
"Pubs are already diversifying, but unfortunately if you are a community pub, you can't transform yourself into a trendy town-centre bar," said an association spokesman.
"The biggest impact is the recession. There are fewer people out and fewer people spending money in pubs and bars, regardless of where they are," he said.
Job losses
The rate of closures was the fastest since the number of UK pubs began being tracked, in 1990.
The number of pubs has dropped by 2,377 in the past year, to a total of 53,466.
The association's chief executive, David Long, said that the economic pressures of the recession had been added to by the smoking ban, tax rises on alcohol and "regulatory burdens".
Pub closures had cost 24,000 jobs, he added.
"Government should look at valuing and rewarding pubs as community assets," Mr Long said.
"Not only would this have social policy benefits, by supporting a hub of community cohesion, but financial policy benefits in terms of tax revenues, particularly at a time when the public purse is stretched."
A number of pub firms have said that they have been offering financial support for tenants, in an effort to enable them to stay open.
Last month, pub and brewing company Marston's said it wanted to raise £176m in a rights issue. Most of the funds would be earmarked for buying land and developing pubs in densely populated areas, with a focus on food.
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how come my reply is by "terry" and not me??? :o
my name is billeigh-jo, not terry ;)
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I do not think smoking has had much effect on pub closures.
The biggest problem started in 1991 when the beer orders were introduced which said a tennated house or lease had the right to sell guests beers and breweries could only own a certain number of houses. The breweries then hicked the rents of pubs to make up for revenue lost on tied houses ( I was vice chair of the LVA at the time in 6 years my rent went from £65 a week to £220 a week )
This caused big increases in the price of beer.
Another nail in the coffin for pubs was extended drinking hours, people knew if the pub was open say 12 till 3 on a Sunday they would get a game of cards doms etc. or someone to chat too. When all day opening came in obviously costs went up for heating lighting staff etc. We found may people coming in a different times, not getting their games etc or seeing people to have a chat too.
Another factor is there are so many other things to do ie Sky tv playstaions etc, my generation went to the local 3 or 4 times a week my sons generation may go to town once or twice a month at weekends rest of the time, they go round to each others houses play tv games or even do come dine with me weekends and drink beer from supermarkets.
The British pub will be a thing of the past we will just have eating houses serving beer.
Mark
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we will just have eating houses serving beer.
As most of Calis/Fethiye is already.
Baz 8)
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I agree with Julesbob and Diverbaz - it will be lovely to know we can walk into any of the restuarants and not have to scan round to make sure we are not going to sit beside someone who has 3 packets of cigarettes on the table in front of them. I hate trying to eat a nice meal with smoke being wafted over me. it is also important to bear in mind the ban is after all for health reasons for smokers and non smokers alike. I also agree with Kareokmark in that the smoking ban is not entirely to blame for pubs closing, although none have closed near us. Surely a lot of this is down to greedy breweries and the increased price of beer/wine etc. plus of course the credit crunch.
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I absolutely agree one hundred percent with 1gor2don and have to make comment at diverbaz's comment.
"Resposible drivers don't set out to kill someone, smokers however, know they are affecting the health of those around them and could eventually kill them"
Smokers know the risk of smoking. "Responsible" smokers would show some common sense and not smoke in a certain environment. I'm a smoker and would never smoke in a restaurant or around children. However, it is my right to smoke as long as I'm "responsible'. Responsible drivers don't set out to kill someone but sadly, they do! I should know, my sister was killed at the age of fifteen by a so called "responsible" driver.
Interestingly, we haven't been affected by the ban. Our smokers go and sit outside .... and so do the non-smokers! There simply needs to be a compromise or some sort! Too late for that now!
Nigel
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According to newspapers . Bar and reataurant owners started moaning about the customers, who go out for smoking and escape without paying the bills :)
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Some English people sneeked out the back door of Annas at the last dance without paying their bill, nothing to do with smoking.
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i agree with gordon tho i still think it doesnt matter if you smoke in a pub, resuturant its not goin to stop people smokin around their children at home isit? still isnt going to stop people smoking around other people, smokin has been going for years and the older generaton who are still alive who smoke are still running round, smoking kills so what if people want to smoke let them, im just saying that gordon is right.. look at england most of the pubs have gone bust becuase of the no smoking ban and i have no daubt that thats going to happen here to since most the population of turkey smoke
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I agree with Gordon and Nigel, and think its inconsiderate to smoke in a restaurant near to non smokers, and I also think the smoking ban has aided the closure of pubs in the community, and the general outcome here, is that people are entertaining at home now,we have been invited to more parties in someones home lately than we have pubs,
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
I am still a driver, cars don't kill, the irresponsible driver does, normally doing something they shouldn't, like speeding.(I am all for banning irresponsible drivers)
Resposible drivers don't set out to kill someone, smokers however, know they are affecting the health of those around them and could eventually kill them.
Baz 8)
Smokers do not know they are affecting the health of others around them as the evidence surrounding the dangers of second hand smoke is shady to say the least. You are at greater risk of damage to your health walking along a busy road with all those exhaust fumes. As for the ban being for health reasons - consider who is making a huge profit from smoking cessation products (with no evidence of effectiveness) and how much money is spent on "educating" the public in matters of health - denormalising anyone who smokes, drinks, is overweight - the profit is made by the same big pharmaceutical companies that are now making vaccines by the millions for swine flu -
We have every right not to be near a smoker if that is our choice but we do not have the right to ban the use of a legal product in an area designated for that purpose - it's all about choice and consideration which is sadly lacking in many areas of our lives these days. For many smokers, the pleasure of a foreign holiday is the relaxed atmosphere and being able to enjoy a drink and a cigarette. If this is taken away completely I think we will see many empty/closed bars as we have seen in the UK as smokers stay at home. I do hope Turkey (and many other countries)are able to find a compromise and provide smoke-free areas or bars for those that want them and allow owners to choose to allow smoking if that's what their customers want. I think Turkey's extreme approach to a ban on smoking is more to do with the EU than health.[?]
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Originally posted by Bluwise
I think Turkey's extreme approach to a ban on smoking is more to do with the EU than health.[?]
I can`t see why.
The UK is the only section of the EU that has an effective smoking ban in place.
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i have been in many a restuarant and sat by inconsiderate smokers who blow smoke all over you,
i don't tar all smokers with the same brush,some are quite good when they realise you don't smoke.
i have suffered with bronchitus all my life and i have never smoked,but my parents smoked consistently all their lives so at may have picked it up when i passive smoking
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Originally posted by Crabbit
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Originally posted by Bluwise
I think Turkey's extreme approach to a ban on smoking is more to do with the EU than health.[?]
I can`t see why.
The UK is the only section of the EU that has an effective smoking ban in place.
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mmmm, Effective in destroying businesses and creating jobs and income for Ash etc - other countries have bans in place but far less extreme - eg banned in public buildings but allowed inside some bars/restaurants that fall within certain dimensions - not sure on legalities but there is certainly more flexibility. It's only my humble opinion, but I do feel that the desired entry to the EU has influenced this decision as it would be seen as conforming to another EU directive -
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end of the dy if you dont smoke why do you sit next to smokers you lot all complain that you dont like sitting next to smokers why dont just dont sit next to the one who smoke or dont site next to a table of smokers it isnt hard to bo honest, not all smokers are bad you no i never blow smoke in other peoples faces if a can help it, now coming to the point since the smoking ban has come in that doesnt stop people smoking under open places and since most of the resturants are outside your still going to have to put of with the smokers
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i also agree with crabbit on this one how it has destroyed businesses through out england
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:) Crab is also correct about the EU,
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there has been a ban on smoking on turkish busses and coaches for as long as i can remember.
its strictly enforced. people accept it as the norm and carry on. i dont think it affected the transport system.
in the uk now only 23% of the population smoke so the minority are not going to close down bussinesses.
there was an article in last weeks times online and it talked about the large number of village type pubs closing down every week, just now in the uk. smoking ban was not blamed. main cause was recession and high cost of pub drinks causing people to change their habits and `drink at home.
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What a load of tosh Alex. So if I am in a restaurant and a group come in who smoke I am supposed to move, why should I. I have been in restaurants in the winter where there is a permanent haze from cigarette smoke. It is the smokers own choice to smoke it is not my choice to have to breathe it in.
maria x
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maria, no you shouldn't have to move. i think what alex meant was if you are going to sit somewhere when you walk into a pub/restraunt, dont go and sit next to a smoker then complain later.. but alex, you don't have to blow smoke in someones face for it to bother them, I don't think that smoking should be allowed inside because of the relevant health issues for smokers and non-smokers alike. i also thinks it's unfair that smokers are sent to hide round a corner out of the way like naughty school children, so long as they are outside, does it matter??
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Does anyone remember the old pubs with a Smoke room.??
Smokers should not be treated like Lepers.A room with
good ventilation could be provided in most establishments.
Providing staff don't have to serve in that room,what's
the problem.?State interferance.!!I don't smoke but I don't
like the way the smokers are treated by a Government that is
happy to grab their tobacco tax.
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as a 'hollier than thow' reformed smoker i even find it annoying walking in the street behind someone who is smoking in front of me. i stop till they are well ahead.
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Originally posted by stuart
there has been a ban on smoking on turkish busses and coaches for as long as i can remember.
That as it may be, but only for the passengers. I have been on many buses and coaches, and the drivers all light up and puff away to their hearts content.
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Originally posted by Alex_BillaBoi_
i agree with gordon tho i still think it doesnt matter if you smoke in a pub, resuturant its not goin to stop people smokin around their children at home isit? still isnt going to stop people smoking around other people, smokin has been going for years and the older generaton who are still alive who smoke are still running round, smoking kills so what if people want to smoke let them, im just saying that gordon is right.. look at england most of the pubs have gone bust becuase of the no smoking ban and i have no daubt that thats going to happen here to since most the population of turkey smoke
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Pubs are closing in Britain because of the overheads forcing them to have to charge too much.Smoking has been banned in the workplace does Alex think people will stop going to work,smoking has been banned on flights does that stop people from taking holidays,smoking has been banned from shops does that stop people from shopping. I dont thing so.If you feel you have to smoke be happy to stand outside for a few moments and keep your smoke to yourself.
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This is getting like the 4tl for an Effes thread.
If the law is like the UK then what is the problem?
When we go into a restaurant if its not full we scan the room for the best tables away from smokers.
If its full obviously its tuff luck. What infuriates me is the people who sit with a fag in their hand and hold their arm at arms length so the smoke doesn't go in their faces but blows all over me.
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Sorry Alex, I agree with Maria...Its is not always possible to sit away from the smokers, just not that easy.
When we were over a few weeks ago, we were having a fab meal at La Casa's, the table we sat at what seemed relatively smoke free around and about, then all of a sudden people behind me started smoking and it all came our way and spoilt the meal....sorry but it did.
We have family and friends who smoke and if they want to thats their business but when they come around to our house they would not dream of smoking in the house and just go outside, I do not have to tell them they just do it, but obviously I appreciate that.
I do not think the smoking ban is the sole contributor to businesses going under in the UK I know a few people who own pubs and whilst it may have been strange to begin with, once they had erected a place outside for the smokers they were quite happy, a lot of people in the UK cannot afford to drink out anymore thats whats having an effect, hence the reason there has been a boom in supermarket sales for booze and wine as its a lot cheaper.....and the government are moaning about it!!
I have no objections to smokers as long as it does not enroach on me and I have to say it so much nicer to go into a pub and not come smelling like a cogarettte though.
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Originally posted by Ally B
Pubs are closing in Britain because of the overheads forcing them to have to charge too much.Smoking has been banned in the workplace does Alex think people will stop going to work,smoking has been banned on flights does that stop people from taking holidays,smoking has been banned from shops does that stop people from shopping. I dont thing so.If you feel you have to smoke be happy to stand outside for a few moments and keep your smoke to yourself.
Hi Ally
There are many pubs and clubs now joining forces to try and amend the ban (not remove it, just amend and offer choice) as too many customers are staying away - as for not smoking in the workplace, on flights or in shops - yep, that's all fine however, I do know many people who now choose an airport that provides a smoking area (airside) to fly from, don't go shopping in town as often simply because they can't have a nice Espresso and cigarette in between etc. so spend less by leaving sooner than usual. Workplace smoking - OK not in a building but it has now stretched even to owner drivers not being allowed to smoke in their own vehicle when no passengers are present! I'm all for limiting where and when it is acceptable but I think the current situation is draconian and only the start of the Government's attempt to control out lives - let's see how much we can get away with - will the public just roll over and accept it....? Asking a smoker to be happy going outside for a few minutes to smoke is not acceptable to most - it must be awful stood outside on a cold, dark night - no wonder people don't bother going out as much. As for all the non-smokers flooding back to the clean air pubs - well, it never happened did it? I doubt the Turkish people will roll over and accept it any more than the German, French and Dutch did ....
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well said baz...its a smoking ban and very straight forward...no smoking in bars...customers have been great and no problem adhering to the rule......This has been tryed in most countries now so whats the fuss about...yes some bars will struggle some not...i personally dont mind sitting with smokers and im a non smoker.so ill sit outside with my friends ...very simlpe indeed.so lets all embrace this new law which most of us hate ....we will get used to it very soon
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Dont sit downwind on Calis front of a smoker or a farter!
Sadly smoke lingers in your clothes for days!!
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SO DO FARTS
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I'm just glad that I do not eat in resuturants:D
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whats a resuturant?
are you on the drink like me
ive been trying to type this for 2 hours :D
ohhhh god the ;power of alcohol[:X]
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Am I missing something? Is there a fart ban now in Calis? How is it policed? People go around with corks?
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I started farting when I was 16,but managed to give up 4 years ago,I have never felt better,I am glad that Turkey has introduced a farting ban,as it can only be good for the entire population.
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Turkeytim.How much money have you saved since you stopped farting???
I'm trying to get my missus to stop.
:) :)
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I think I heard from somewhere that the biggest contribution to global warming and climate change is farting. When you take into account all the cows, goats, whales, dogs and the 6 billion odd people (turkeytim excluded as he has given up) maybe we should start farting bans and fine anyone that farts as they are doing more damage to the envoirement then smokers.
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Originally posted by starmanTM
Am I missing something? Is there a fart ban now in Calis? How is it policed? People go around with corks?
No they have re introduced the men who used to go around lighting the pre war gas lights with a flame on a big stick. :)
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How can they detect a fart if it has slippers on, and does'nt smell.
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Starman,to hear a goat fart, is truly frightening.
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No kid-ding.Bleating hell,I did'nt know that.
How the flock did you find that out.??
:) :)
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don't encourage fines for farters...
it could end up costing me a fortune :D
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The reason why farts smell, is for the benefit of the deaf.
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Hear,Hear. :)
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thank you xxbilleigh-joxx for getting what i mean nut at the end of the day i dont try and blow smoke in anybodys faces, i try not to in anycase i try do blow it up in the air way up in the air, but it seems that people moan where ever they are about smoking :S end of the day smoking has been going for years and it isnt going to stop soon, the smoking ban isnt stopping people smoking under open areas so either deal with it how you have been before or dont go where people are smoking its simple! it just anoys me how people moan about it, fairplay you dont like smokers it doesnt mean you have to be in the same resturant as them!! go some where else man its not hard seriously
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another thing if you think there is a fart ban i will fart in your face, what a stupid rumor to put round how can you stop someone farting you wont stop me and i mean it id rather be deported than someone tell me i can fart and when i cant they dont own me!!!
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Originally posted by Alex_BillaBoi_
dont go where people are smoking its simple!
I can improve upon that. How about smokers not going where there are non smokers. Stick to your own nicotine stained restaurants and leave non smokers to enjoy pleasant non smelly, non nicotine stained places. You cannot think that just because you blow your smoke upwards you are not affecting non smokers. Once the smoke is out of your mouth/nose is disperses and everyone becomes affected.
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Found these small pouches very useful when out and about also great for used chewing gum. http:/www.aimd.co.uk
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Is it just me ,but I cant understand anything Alex boi ,says on this forum.?It is madness drivel.
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Originally posted by Alex_BillaBoi_
another thing if you think there is a fart ban i will fart in your face, what a stupid rumor to put round how can you stop someone farting you wont stop me and i mean it id rather be deported than someone tell me i can fart and when i cant they dont own me!!!
:Din bulk here.
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Originally posted by Alex_BillaBoi_
another thing if you think there is a fart ban i will fart in your face, what a stupid rumor to put round how can you stop someone farting you wont stop me and i mean it id rather be deported than someone tell me i can fart and when i cant they dont own me!!!
what a post billy,i could not laughing my imagination rasn wild reading it:D
calm down fart away to your heart content [xx(] :o:P
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I think he's got the wind up.
Alex,It's a joke.
The fart ban does'nt start 'til January.
:)
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Originally posted by turkeytim
Is it just me ,but I cant understand anything Alex boi ,says on this forum.?It is madness drivel.
No you`re not on your own.
The emails are funny though :D
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I don't think there is anything wrong with farting in restaurants provided one is a responsible farter. I would never think of farting in front of other restaurant customers providing that they told me it was their turn. I am sure Alex is a responsible farter and blows off up into the air (like he smokes). In fact I am looking forward to him posting photographs of himself on CBF showing him doing exactly this in some of Calis' top nightspots.
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Colwyn.Your'e overlooking the safety aspect.ie:As the fart
passes the lighted cigarette the gasses could ignite.causing a
flashback,raising the possibility that diners in close proximity
could quite possibly be in the sh*t.
Has anyone done a risk assessment.??
:) :)
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:) Yes, and it is very colourful, ;)
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standard least im giving people a laugh on here then :D
I'l try and make my views clearer and maybe not try and write them when i am drunk :P lol
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Nothing wrong with a good fart,as long as there's no lumps in it. :)
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This is really getting silly now, and turning my stomach!!!!
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any more non no smoking remarks and this will be locked
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Tinkerman.We have had weeks of gloom and doom on here with breakins,
assaults,attempted abductions,infighting and a global feeling of depression.Over the last few days some of the members have started to lighten up on various threads and have a laugh.Why stamp that out.??
Toky.If a thread was getting to the stage where it was turning my
stomach,I would stop reading it.Just my opinion. ;)
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Can you blow 'smoke' rings from your bum (ring) :D ;):P
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Well there's a good piece of advice kevin3.....not!!! By the time I've read about lumpy farts, then it's too late, eh? Its a smoking ban thread anyway, not a bodily function one. :P
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And no doubt all the posts off topic are from killers smokers ;)
Baz 8)
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I gave up smoking years ago, which is why I occasionally blow smoke up my own arse - not in a literal sense you understand :-\
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quote:
Originally posted by kevin3
Tinkerman.We have had weeks of gloom and doom on here with breakins,
assaults,attempted abductions,infighting and a global feeling of depression.Over the last few days some of the members have started to lighten up on various threads and have a laugh.Why stamp that out.??
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Totally agree Kevin!
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Your not in the right Clan Kevin its only certain clan members who can get away with it.:(
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Originally posted by lance
Your not in the right Clan Kevin its only certain clan members who can get away with it.:(
That's a bit harsh Lance! None of us pick out who is allowed to have a laugh or not. It's just sometimes things go a little too far and Tinx was merely pointing out that there have been one too many letting rip on this thread ;)
Yes have a laugh but let's try occasionally to get back on topic. This one obviously has a lot of meaning to smokers and non - smokers.
:)
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OMG I can't believe I'm going to stand up for Tink but presumably he was contemplating locking the topic because people were having a laugh, he was going to lock it because many of the recent posts were absolutely nothing to do with the title of the thread.
That would seem reasonable as people may click on the thread expecting to find comments about the smoking ban only to find that they have wasted their time. If I click on a thread entitled "Break-Ins", I wouldn't expect to find lots of posts about a bodily function or any other subject for that matter.
Of course I have been guilty of straying off topic on occasion, but surely there has to be a line drawn when the majority of posts having nothing to do with the original subject.
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H.
I agree wholeheartedly, I am sick and tired of threads that have gone off topic,.
Now where were we,
ah yes,
Don`t put up your Xmas decorations until at least October :D
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:) Crab, does that mean we cant have the discussion about, faeces formation and the analysis of them,
oh and for the smokers supercigs are doing 2 packs of B&H mild for 6squiddlies. ;)
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Originally posted by Highlander
If I click on a thread entitled "Break-Ins", I wouldn't expect to find lots of posts about a bodily function or any other subject for that matter.
Highlander, That cos they are all on here. ;)
I don't think anyones decided what to talk about on the 'break inns' thread yet.:D
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Just going back to the topic then....has anyone been fined in Calis yet? Is the ban being rigorously upheld by bar/restaurant owners and do the Dolmus drivers still have a crafty fag en route to Fethiye?
I don't think any impact will be truly felt until the weather cools down - it's a shame that a sensible idea about separating non-smokers from smokers (for their comfort) should have to go too far and cause hardship to businesses - there's always room for choice and consideration.
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According to todays Daily Zaman The Cafe,Coffee House and Bar Owners Association are up in arms over the ban and are now taking it up with
Central Government.And furthermore I did'nt mention the "F" word once.
;) ;):-\
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Kevin, Jukey, Lance you can laugh all you like on any topic and take it where you want as long as everyone is happy, if people start complaining about where it is going we then have to put it back on line.
Fell free to start a fun topic we all need a good laugh:D
Tinx ;)
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Kevin, Jukey, Lance you can laugh all you like on any topic and take it where you want as long as everyone is happy, if people start complaining about where it is going we then have to put it back on line.
Fell free to start a fun topic we all need a good laugh:D
Tinx ;)
Well, there was this moderator called Tinkerman................. ;)
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:D:D:D
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As one of the killers,oops,sorry,smoker,whose only posting on the topic was off topic,the infamous " lumps",which upset a lady of delicate disposition,I totally agree we should get back on course.
I'me a smoker,a heavy smoker,have smoked for years,if you put me in the smoking Olympics I would walk away with a barrow load of gold medals.
However I totally support the smoking ban in principle but not in how it has been introduced.As I see it a total clampdown has been orchestrated with no provision made for a section of the population who do smoke.Arguing purely for bars,why can't a smoking section be put aside for smokers,the bar owners I'me sure would be happy to oblige,no loss in profits,the non smokers would be happy,I would be happy.
Or better still why do'nt they ban the sale of cigarettes completely then everybody would be happy.
PS.,still paying 3lira for my beer. :)
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Ah well.
It was fun while it lasted.!
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Originally posted by Jukebox
Well, there was this moderator called Tinkerman................. ;)
Who didn`t like the way a Topic ran..................... ;)
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Its about time some of you pillocks used the chat room for this sort of rubbish.I am no fan of the Sun reporter of calis,??? but its time this sick crap was locked!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by captainjon
Its about time some of you pillocks used the chat room for this sort of rubbish.I am no fan of the Sun reporter of calis,??? but its time this sick crap was locked!!!!!!!!!
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LOL
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Who is the sun reporter of Calis,
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tinxs i thinx they mean LOL
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Laffz
Keep up :D:D
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Originally posted by captainjon
Its about time some of you pillocks used the chat room for this sort of rubbish.I am no fan of the Sun reporter of calis,??? but its time this sick crap was locked!!!!!!!!!
couldnt agree more with you....way off the original topic...and not even funny:-\
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captainjon, brianthegardener, if you don't like it, don't come on the forum. It is how CBF wotrks, you won't change it.
Baz 8)
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Bringing on back the good times:D Let it run..
Sun reporter my R's
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Captainjon.Start your own Forum.!!!
It could be a place where you could conduct polls to decide
if words like "crap" should be yellow carded.
It could be a place where "unprofessional" Carnival volunteers
would not be allowed to post.
You could even be in charge of it.
You go for it.!!! This Forum is'nt good enough for you.
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AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [:(!]
the references to bodily functions haven't upset me in the slightest, to be honest i get more irritated when a topic (whether the conversation be on or off topic) is interupted by people having a dig in a rude manner. how can it be "wrong" to use the word CRAP and not PILLOCK, which is a personal insult to several members in this instance and by far more insulting in my opinion.
if you dont like what you read, click the little X in the top right hand corner of your screen, if you don't find it funny then dont laugh.. Is there any need to keep bitching and backbiting?
why can't you grow up and play nicely together people??
:(
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Most forums don't let inane or off topic comments run on a thread or topic. IMHO I think there are too many posters who fancy themselves as being comedians and rather than post facts, they just post nonsense for the sake of making a post. It has no relevance to the topic and often is not even funny. Just as the above posters are obvious in support of posting off topic, then its the right of others to equally protest about it, rather than being shot down in flames and rude comments for stating their opinion. Please respect others opinions without being rude to each other. This forum is such a good source of information. Don't tar it with personal attacks folks. :)
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We did have 9 or so pages of no smoking topic sooner or later the interest wanes and the conversation moves on as it does in life.
We do have a lot of members on here including myself who like to have a laugh and joke and it's generally when the topic gets repetitive and boring, we could lock it immediately but then where would the fun be, life isnt all about being serious all of the time, don't agree with the personal attacks no need for it, and I being referred to as a Sun reporter as a personnal attack.
for the people who are moaning, what more did you want to add to the No smoking topic that was so interesting?
Please post it now we are waiting.
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I logged onto this topic to glean information relating to the smoking ban, as I was interested to see what was happening in the Calis area as I live in Ovacik.
I have seriously lost the will to live in trying to wade through the postings and have gleaned very little info that I was looking for.
I am not against having a laugh and it's all to do with personal taste at the end of the day. However, I maintain that you should not go off topic and it's the mods job to ensure that posts are kept to teh subject matter.
I wanted to read about smoking and not 'bodily functions' - if there were 2 topics I would choose to look at one and not the other! I am clearly not the only person who feels like this!
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
captainjon, brianthegardener, if you don't like it, don't come on the forum. It is how CBF wotrks, you won't change it.
Baz 8)
Spot on Baz, there's nothing wrong with having a laugh, what more can be said about the smoking ban, I think if anyone should be offended it would be Nigel & Ian who initiated the topic, but I cant see them moaning, as they too are up for a laugh, there's no harm been done here.get a jiggy with it, life's too short.
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Off topic? To what do you refer? The introduction of a satirical strand that counterposed one smelly personal habit with another? That is not off topic. It is an alternative perspective on the issue of individual freedom versus collective will. Not merely humorous but also an ingenious rhetorical device.
If anyone needs help getting down from their high horse I have a stepladder that they can borrow.
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Well said, there you go, you have found the common denominator regarding ciggies and lumpy farts, they both smell.
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Oh bloody (oops sorry captainjon : :) ) hell things are going from bad to worse, I find myself agreeing with Colwyn again.
I`m off to the doctors to find a cure :D
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The non smokers should be grateful to the smokers. When the mozzies bite the smokers the mozzies apparently all go off and suffer a long lingering death.:D
farmer
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When the mozzies bite the smokers the mozzies apparently all go off and suffer a long lingering death.
As do the non smokers:D: :)
Baz 8)
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Dunno about that, not having been bitten by a non - smoker :)
farmer
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
As do the non smokers:D: :)
Baz 8)
Ha Ha :D:D
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My pennies worth: I'm a firm believer of "when in Rome"....even though it's not Rome, as a part-time smoker (usually at beer and scoff o'clock and/or on holiday) I'll oblige whatever law is in place. I'm a conscientious smoker anyway and would always have a look around to see if people were eating. At the end of the day, smoking and not smoking is a choice, find the common ground and live with it (all around). I was in Gibraltar recently where it's still permitted to smoke inside, and I still found myself popping outside for a cheeky one...I like the fact that I can go home of an evening not smelling like the inside of an ashtray.
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:) There you go, well said,:P