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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: calvin 1949 on July 23, 2009, 12:43:37 PM
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A meeting has been called for this Monday evening at 7pm at the old Camlic Restaurant ,to discuss the new revelations about selling property in Uzumlu.i am sure someone will post more details when known.Calvin 8):(
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Calvin, Apparently this only affects people with property in the valley. Land on the left hand side of the main road as you come into Uzumlu up as far as the turnoff to Incirkoy. Following a chat I had with a chap called Andrew the other night, it would appear that land that was once classed as Tarla(agricultural) and was then re-classified by the the Belediyesi as Arsa to be built on should never have been re-classified without the permission of Ankara which was never requested by the Belediyesi. The upshot apparently is that property in the valley can now only be sold to Turkish citizens. It was stated that it came to light when officials from Ankara came to Uzumlu re the Cement Factory and saw all the villas in the valley. Andrew's house sale fell through a couple of weeks ago when it all came to light. That is my understanding of the situation. A number of leaflets have been printed outlining the situation, he also has maps showing the affected areas. If I have got this wrong can someone correct me as I only had an half hour chat about it.
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Hi Calvin
Do you know if there will be any officials there to answer questions
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Dont know any more than i have posted,hope we can all find out more on Monday.I think it was Andrew touring the expats on the plain informing about meeting ,so i have put it on the forum to spread the word .Regards Calvin
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weres the camlic rest?
who has called this meeting...locals or belediye?
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Its now called "East meets West" on the right hand side as you arrive in Uzumlu from Fethiye or Calis , and i think and i will be corrected if i am wrong it is being organised by Andrew.Regards Calvin
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Phil my understanding is the same as yours after many conversations with Andrew.
It is all the land on the left hand side of the dual carraigeway that is affected by this problem.So if you have a house or land in that area you really need to go on Monday and find out what the position is and what you can do about it.
I hace passed the Attounney's details that handled the Cement Factory case on to Andrew today.
Good luck
Fi
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Unfortunately, although this will affect myself, I will be unable to attend the meeting on Monday. Please, whoever is calling the meeting, can they please keep everyone informed of the details and any progress via the forum.
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Again, I wont be able to attend as I'm in the UK & it would appear to effect villas that we own. If any one has Andrews email address could they please pass it on via my profile.I have a fair amount of info that I've been able to obtain since I learned about this on thursday last. I have given the restaurant owners Karen & Akif some of the info this morning.
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Have emailed you his wife's address as messages get to him that way.
Cheers
Fi
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Many thanks Firo. Mike
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Originally posted by mikew
Many thanks Firo. Mike
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Hi Mike, I only joined the forum yesterday so havnt quite got the hang of it yet.Sorry you wont be able to attend the meeting tonight at the camlic, but I would be very interested to hear any information you might have regarding this problem.
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in the uk just now,anymore info on the meeting tonight.
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Hi Everybody, First of all I would like to thank everybody who turned up at the meeting tonight. The meeting went as expected with alot of people not wanting to beleive they were included in the problem area, which to be honest was exactly the same reaction we had when we found out.
I think the general consensus is that most people want to verify the situation for themselves before commiting to any action. All I would say is contact the main land registry in Ankara and actually explain the situation to them because the local Beledeysi is giving lots of conflicting information saying that some villas are effected and some are not.
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so was there any constructive information at this meetin...sorry i couldnt make it......i have land in valley so obviously interested......
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I think it was definatley worth while because at least now everbody knows what the problem seems to be and how it has come about. The main problem is that the BELEDEYSI are giving totally conflicting information to people who live literally doors apart. They are telling some people they can sell and others they cant...
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Does anyone know how to contact the Land Registry in Ankara. Is there an address or phone number that can be put on the Forum.
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Directorate General of Land Registry and Cadastre in Ankara
Address:
Basbakanlik Tapu ve Kadastro Genel Mudurlugu
Yabanci Kisiler Dairesi Baskanligi
Dikmen yolu - Ankara - Turkey
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Yabancilarin Mülkiyet Edinim Bilgilerinin girişi için tiklayiniz.
Tapu ve Kadastro Genel Müdürlügü
Dikmen Yolu No:14 Bakanliklar-ANKARA
Telefon: (312) 413 68 53 (Baskan);
(312) 413 68 80 ; (312) 413 68 81 ; (312) 413 68 82
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Hi everyone it would be realy helpfull if someone could post a copy
of the map showing the effected area,We own land in uzumlu and would be intreseted to know if this is in the affeced area.
Calvin my help me with this our land is next to he's villa.
Thanks,Pete.
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Andylad has just been round to our house with a copy of the map of the affected area. I have tried to scan it in without any success, so I have photographed it and am hoping Tinx can post it for me when I have e-mailed it to him. Should be on here soon, fingers crossed.
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Thanks Tinx, Andylad should be on here later to explain the map.
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Eric you are a very helpful person.(And excellent quiz master-even though we came nearly last last week!)
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Thanks Tinx, Andylad should be on here later to explain the map.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
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Hi everybody sorry I dont have a scanner so had to ask eric to help upload map of problem area. Thanks eric.....
Basically all the map shaded in green is the problem area,so anyone with villas / land within this area at the moment cannot sell to foreigners, only Turkish people.This area of land was parcelated by the goverment in 1996 and given 10% building permission, but the goverment left an agricultural clause on the old paperwork which is apparently causing this problem.We are in the process of trying to get this clause removed and are hoping for some sort of answer next week.
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I have been up on my land in Uzumlu putting for sale signs up,and on each occasion there has been other property owners walking around their property and not once has any neighbour spoke to me about this problem i'm so glad i'm on this site or i would not know anything about this problem lets hope the clause is removed or I will be taking legal action against the person who sold me this land as he was a member of the belediya. Im in UK at moment but will keep up to date via this site thanks to everyone for the detailed information
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ill 2nd that
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The question that springs to my mind is how were the individual plots sold to us foreigners in the first place? Methinks something was definately dodgey when none of this appeared on anyones searches!!
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Originally posted by mikew
The question that springs to my mind is how were the individual plots sold to us foreigners in the first place? Methinks something was definately dodgey when none of this appeared on anyones searches!!
I agree with what you are saying mikew but I think this is not the time for recrimination, but a time to look for solutions for those involved, I do hope it is resolved soon there are some really nice people living in that area oh and Calvin ;) :)
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i am not necessarily looking for recrimination, more for someone us foreigners can actually trust!!!
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Thank you AndyLad for all your efforts. You have put our mind at rest at least. Hope your problem gets sorted soon.
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so whats the next step regarding this problem...anyone any ideas?
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havent the people who brought in kaya koy
come across this,
maybe you could get together
to find out, keep everyone posted about this problem
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Hi everyone i'm just back from UK and wondered if there was any update on the problem I am willing to meet with anyone who this concerns for a full update on the meeting and to go forward from here
thanks again for the information on this site
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We came across a similar problem up the coast in that we bought land that could be sold to foreigners. The land got rezoned to land that could only be purchased by Turks. We knew nothing and we were never told about this change. It only came to our notice when we wanted to sell. We were lucky in that the area had become a bit of a hot spot for well off Turks to buy land and build houses.This enabled us to sell the land.If we were unable to sell it I do not know what we would have done as the local authority was totally unhelpful and we got the usual response well this is Turkey.
I do hope that there is a satisfactory outcome for all those people impacted by this change.
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Hi everyone
Can anyone tell me if they know a good solicitor who speaks good English who would also have good knowledge of land and building problems as Im now being told its okay for foreign people to buy in the problem area if it has a house already on the land
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Originally posted by jinky
Hi everyone
Can anyone tell me if they know a good solicitor who speaks good English who would also have good knowledge of land and building problems as Im now being told its okay for foreign people to buy in the problem area if it has a house already on the land
As far as I understand it, you are being given incorrect info. Contact Andylad regarding this, or if I see him soon I will get him to come on here and explain the latest update.
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Yet again estate agent giving out the wrong information as it stands at the moment. It reminds me of when we fought the cement factory builders and estate agents telling people that it had been stopped 18 mounths before the courts said so.[:(!]
Remember that they want to make money from sales so will say whatever they feel neccessary to achieve that result. Wait till it is officially confirmed by the authorities then you can be secure in getting the correct info.
I have asked Andylad to come on CBF to let you all know if there is any new news.
Fi
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Hi everybody,the reason I havn't posted an update yet is because we are still waiting for a response from Denizli. Hopefully we will get some news this week, but as it stands at the moment nothing has changed and foreigners cannot sell to foreigners in the problem area.As Fi said, builders and estate agents are just trying to get a sale and most of them don't know what is going on, so please be patient for a few more days and maybe we can get this situation resolved without having to throw shed loads of money at it !! I will update as soon as I get some official news, but if you do have any questions just ask and I will do my best to answer.
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Any news on the land problem Andy lad?iv had news that the land at the ottoman rest is not affected i dont want to confuse everyone but iv been told that its the area beside the football pitch and beyond thats the problem .Were did the map pensiled in green come from?it may be correct but i need to ask the question just incase theres a possibility its not!is there any more feedback from Denizli?im in uzumlu tomorrow so will go to belediye and speak again on this subject...i dont expect anything new but i will see if they can give me the relative Ankara depts to deal with.i will on everyones behalf try and get geniune info on this.....im not entirely convinced with the explinations im hearing regarding this problem...and i dont mean to offend anyone with saying that.And to end on a sour note....the scavengers are out.....we have been approached asking if we want to swap our land that may be agricultural for (imar land)land you can build on.This was so funny but i can see the bees swarming already and more twists and turns on this subject.Hold onto your land till its finalised is my advise.You may be ok ,the problem may not be as bad as whats being said...and i hope thats true.
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i also got told today that its only 2 large peices of land that are effected......the mind boggles
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Imar?
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Look at the map, its not just 'two pieces of land' or 'the land by the Ottoman' Its all the land in green. Contact Andylad via his profile and he will give you an update.
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Sorry, what's Imar land?
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Imar means it's on the village plans ....I think :-\
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The map that I posted came directly from the Belediye manager and is on their office computer for everyone to see.The whole area marked in green is the problem area and as of yet there is no new news.
The guy who we are hoping to deal with the paperwork that has been sent to Denizli has been off sick for the last couple of weeks, so we need to wait for him to return and then hopefully he will sign all the paperwork and send it back.:(
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spoke to the fethiye belediye this morning....my wife is Turkish and she did the translation.What the manager said was more or less whats been said.The problem is Ankara had given land for imar but on the documentation they did not remove the wording (in Turkish )agriculture.They will ammend this and although we sometimes cant believe all thats being said ,the manager said its garanteed that all land that has planning permission or a % to build will not be affected.He spoke to uzumlu belediye and gave my tapu details .What they are saying if any foreign people approach me to buy my land to go ahead with it as its all a formality.i hope this makes a few people a little more relaxed.They will give 10 more days and if no answer has come from the government they will forward a pressing letter.
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Very interesting article on this subject in todays www.hurriyetdailynews.com. It does not really provide any concrete answers but is worth reading. As a matter of interest read the accompanying article on Kusadsi.
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Tribalelder, perhaps I'm being a thick Üzümlü-ite but for the life of me I cannot find tarticle you are referring to in HDN. Perhaps a more specific link would help us old f*rts. Phill
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Sorry having problems with accessing links at the mo. Look on the main headings at the top in red. Click on Turkey and in the search box on the right enter Yesil Uzumlu or Kusadasi and you should be able to access both articles :)
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This is the correct link. It is the origianl story from the end of July. Nothing new to report.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com./n.php?n=when-property-owners-in-yesil-uzumlu-doesn8217t-know-their-land-from-their-elbow-2009-07-31
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Evening everyone,
Im new here so be patient- My wife is visiting Uzumlu this Friday to look at Greenvine Apartments with a view to purchasing does this particular development fall into the green shaded area that is under discussion at the moment.
And is Uzumlu still the place to be good and bad points please.
Regards,
Jamie
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I think the Greenvine apt are not in the affected area.
A simple way for her to tell is as she comes down the hill into Uzumlu onto the dual carraigeway the problem area is on the left of the road. I think the appt you are talking about are on the right hand side near the village centre.
Someone will no doubt correct me if I am incorrect.
We have lived here for over 2 years now and even though we have had problems with various issues we still love Uzumlu.
Good luck
Fi
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hi everyone.....it seems like the problem with the land in the valley ...regarding agriculture/imar has been resolved......i have land in the green area and 2 of the villa owners next to us got their title deeds last week.my wife was in the tapu office and they have confirmed that theres not a problem now.if your a foreigner you can purchase land and get living permission on building projects in this area.
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excellent news
I reckon a free beer in your bar for those who own property in the village would be an excellent way to celebrate....
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youv gone too far there saoirse...heeeeeeeeeeeeee
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well its still great news! :)
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Originally posted by hoops man
youv gone too far there saoirse...heeeeeeeeeeeeee
If he's paying Hoops Man I would let him ;)
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Hi All great news and well done
We luv the village and will be back in Jan to see Villa build.
Can`t wait for it to be finished
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Why has Andylad not come on here to update everyone if it has been resolved?
Let's hope it's all back to normal now.
Fi
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Hi everybody talk about news travelling fast. We only managed to get the paperwork from denizli we needed a couple of weeks ago and then spent the next week between what seemed like every office in fethiye to try and get a straight answer as to whether this paperwork would sort our problem or not. Denizli havnt actually removed the agricultural clause that was causing the problem, but they have said that if the land is Arsa / parcelated has living and building permision they cant see why it cant be sold to foreigners,but for peace of mind I recommend everyone concerned approach the belediye with Tapu etc and get confirmation that your land is ok to sell as I have been told that some people have a slightly different problem.
Other than that I'am as sure as you can be in Turkey that for the majority of people this problem is now resolved. :)
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yes andy...well said.....relief for alot of people.......now! anyone want to buy a peice of land?
heeeeeee
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We just returned from Uzumlu last week and are about to purchase a villa on the Green World complex. Does anyone know if this area is affected? The last thing we want to do is buy and then in years to come not be able to sell to anyone except the Turks. Any help would be appreciated. I have alerted my solicitor to the situation.
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Once again the research starts the minute after someone commits to spend tens of thousands of pounds on a property in a far off land. It should be absolutely incredible really, if it wasn't so common. :-\
Welcome to the forum by the way.
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Thanks for the Welcome. Let's hope our lawyer can put our minds at rest!
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Whereabouts in Uzumlu is it? Not familiar with that development
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Eric, I think it is the Tufan development on the hillside on the way to Cadianda. Talkheath if that is the complex and it is a Villa that is already built it shouldn't be affected by the agricultural land problem in the valley BUT if you are out again soon I would talk to some people who live permanently on the complex it always helps because they would have already gone through any problems eg water, electricity, Tapu's etc.
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Thanks Phil, I know where you mean. The only thing that comes to mind there, if memory is working ok, is that apparently there was a problem with the land area on the Tapu of some people. The Tapu said one thing and when it was measured the land area was somewhat less.
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Thank you all for your feedback. Yes it is the Tufan site. We have already spoken to 2 couples who live there permanently and one who has the villa as a holiday property. No one mentioned the land issue but there have been problems with the electricty and water which we are aware of. But, all feedback is of interest as you can learn ALOT!