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Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: karaokemark on August 06, 2009, 21:30:54 PM: Why was this man even allowed back in the country in 2001.
He's had a great life of a celeb then decided he needed to come back for medical care, has cost the taxpayer god knows how many thousands to keep and treat. he should never been allowed back or released on compassionate grounds.

Mark rant over
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: Crabbit on August 06, 2009, 21:40:36 PM: quote:
Originally posted by karaokemark

he should never been allowed back or released on compassionate grounds.

Yes he should, on both counts.
The sentance of 30 years for robbing a couple of quid from a train was diabolical, nonces get less

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Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: kevin b on August 06, 2009, 22:27:18 PM: Crabbit at times your posts are ridiculous :o
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: kenkay on August 06, 2009, 22:28:22 PM: I think Crabbit's post is spot on.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: Crabbit on August 06, 2009, 22:50:27 PM: Kevin
You have your views, I have mine, if you don`t like it because they differ, TOUGH

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Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: kevin3 on August 07, 2009, 00:00:14 AM: Ronnie Biggs biggest crime was ridiculing "the establishment" and they've made him pay for that.Jack straw is about to let the Lockerbie
Bomber go back to Libya "for humanitarian reasons".Do you remember when this guy blew a Jumbo Jet out of the sky,killing hundreds of people,and ruining thousands of peoples lives?Do you know how many known killers are walking the streets of this country,unpunished,and in some cases
shielded by the government,fugitives from other countries,and kept by you and I.??Bakri,the islamist extremist is in hiding in Syria,but you and I are paying to keep his family in this country.And the same with Hook Handed Hamza.To my mind Biggs is way down the list compared to some of these creeps.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: kevin3 on August 07, 2009, 00:49:04 AM: Addendum:
If you stop and think about it,Some of these rightious politicians that have insisted on Biggs continued incarceration for theft are the same a*seholes that have been caught stealing off you and I,via their expenses.They remain unpunished,and free.!!!
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: heather07 on August 07, 2009, 07:52:19 AM: I have to agree with Crabbit as well. The crime was spectacular in its day but there are far worse things happening now and they are out on good behaviour after serving half a sentence.

Then again thefamily of the train driver may have a different take on things.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: stoop on August 07, 2009, 08:16:08 AM: Maybe if he'd not escaped and gone on to serve his time he would have been released much earlier - probably to go back to his life of crime.

Chances are he would have been released after about 15 years with good behaviour. Many of the others got reduced sentences.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8188668.stm
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: tinkerman on August 07, 2009, 08:42:25 AM: He was a political prisoner Stoop, he wouldn't have got out earlier.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: lance on August 07, 2009, 09:19:08 AM: I agree crabbit ;)
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: Colwyn on August 07, 2009, 09:30:48 AM: Being engaged in armed robbery hardly counts as a political crime and the people who are convicted for it are thus not political prisoners.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: Gorgeous_bird on August 07, 2009, 10:35:45 AM: I feel more aggreived by this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8188868.stm
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: pookie on August 07, 2009, 10:42:57 AM: quote:
Originally posted by kevin burton

Crabbit at times your posts are ridiculous :o
Sorry Kevin. I totally have to agree with Crabs on this one.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: stoop on August 07, 2009, 11:05:42 AM: quote:
Originally posted by tinkerman

He was a political prisoner Stoop, he wouldn't have got out earlier.

Political? How do you work that one out? What about the others who did their time and got out early?

I still say if he had done his original time for the crime he would have probably got out much earlier. He was nobody special until he escaped and took the P*SS out of the system.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: kevin3 on August 07, 2009, 15:02:24 PM: Gorgeous _bird.Ditto."human rights" again.And the bill will be picked up by-----------????????. [:(!]
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: tinkerman on August 07, 2009, 15:24:48 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Colwyn

Being engaged in armed robbery hardly counts as a political crime and the people who are convicted for it are thus not political prisoners.

He was a political prisoner in the sense that a succession of Home Office leaders refused to release him because it would lose the party in control votes and no other reason.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: starman™ on August 07, 2009, 15:34:00 PM: I agree with crabbit on this.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: c1 on August 07, 2009, 16:19:21 PM: more media hype. who cares about criminal minows. I am more interested in bigger fish, like are the CPS going to prosicute MPs for the crimes they committed not only the ex's they fiddled but Blair and brown over Iraq and Afgan wars
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: grahamturner09 on August 07, 2009, 18:28:56 PM: He committed his crime when the punishment fitted the crime just because times have changed and the courts are far to lenient doesn't mean he should not serve it. At the time he knew the consequences he was happy to be some sort of celebrity criminal until ill health forced him back to sponge medical treatment he should not be entitled to
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: John H on August 07, 2009, 19:07:21 PM: Agree with you completely grahamturner09.
He may well have embarassed subsequent governments but the fact remains that he took part in a large scale robbery resulting in injury to ordinary workers carrying out their employment.
He is not owed anything by anyone in the UK.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: puma on August 07, 2009, 21:49:18 PM: i agree with crabbz
criminals get less today for murder then what he got for robbery
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: mike A on August 07, 2009, 22:16:45 PM: Political prisoner, Who's kidding who?.
the mans a thug who deserved every thing he got,
I couldn't care less if he's in or out, he's nothing but a sad old joke anyway.
If it was crabbits money he nicked or his dad that was hit over the head he would be singing a very different song.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: Crabbit on August 07, 2009, 22:31:36 PM: quote:
Originally posted by mike A

If it was crabbits money he nicked or his dad that was hit over the head he would be singing a very different song.

If it was my money he nicked I still wouldn`t expect him to get 30 years.
If it was my dad he hit over the head I would have given him a medal.
Therefore I wouldn`t be singing a different song.

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Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: mike A on August 07, 2009, 22:41:50 PM: "If it was my dad he hit over the head I would have given him a medal."

That explains a lot ;)
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: laffa on August 07, 2009, 23:04:43 PM: :) Agree with Crabz on this one, he has probably saved the tax payer more by not living here, the mans lived off his wits and good luck to him, for crying out loud his days are numbered as we speak,every human is allowed dignity in death, and alot of you are living in a country where they allow people eho have committed murder home on compassionate grounds to die alot earlier than Ronnie Biggs has been allowed.As has been said there are bigger criminals running our country.and worse walking the streets being protected by the aforesaid criminals.
Title: Ronnie Biggs
Post by: stoop on August 07, 2009, 23:41:07 PM: quote:
Originally posted by grahamturner09

He committed his crime when the punishment fitted the crime just because times have changed and the courts are far to lenient doesn't mean he should not serve it. At the time he knew the consequences he was happy to be some sort of celebrity criminal until ill health forced him back to sponge medical treatment he should not be entitled to

Well said.:D