Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: dymond on September 07, 2009, 09:15:15 AM
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Just got back from calis and a young couple was at a machine when a turk came up to the bloke and said it wasnt working,whilst he had his attention another turk ran up and snatched his card and ran off.this was on their first night in turkey, their bank account was stripped of £1000 and they spent the rest of there holiday there with absolutely nothing.the young wife was pregnant too.please be vigilant when using the machines.
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how did they get his pin number ?
kanga
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Originally posted by kanga
how did they get his pin number ?
kanga
Probably using a camera phone to film pin entered.
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Another load of b@ll@ks, all the ATM's I know are inside a booth, why would you let someone else in the booth in the first place while you are withdrawing money, let alone 2, must have been pretty crowded. And I bet you didn't see it happen, again more hearsay, and more scaremongering.
Did they report it to the police, so they could then put their insurance claim in!!!!!
Baz
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Finans by the roundabout isnt in a booth.
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no cashpoint will dispense 1000 pounds whats that all about
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Its easy to get a pin number off a card folks - there are card readers available on the black market that you swipe the card through and it reads the pin numbers. I've had a few friends have their pin number stolen by this method in restaruants and service stations here in the UK. Its why they advise over here that if you are paying in a restaurant, then the server should bring the card payment terminal to the table and not vice versa, and not to let anyone take your card out of your line of vision when paying anywhere. It really isnt that difficult!
As for the £1000, cant comment on that as most banks set a floor limit of £250 per day.
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Originally posted by tracey1398
no cashpoint will dispense 1000 pounds whats that all about
That depends on the daily limit set by your card issuer.
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What a sceptical bunch you all are!
My understanding is that you should contact your bank and get the card cancelled the moment you realise it is missing. Of course this could be hours or days later in some cases. I'd suggest that in this case, the moment that it could be realised was the moment when the bloke grabbed it and ran away with it??!!
Sorry, sign me up for sceptical too :D
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On a lighter note maybe they thought the guy was playing "your it" or "tag" when he ran up and grabbed the card, why on earth would he steal their card, come on folks simple mistake lol. :D
Wish I had a £1000 in the bank for them to steal in the first place, they would be lucky to get the daily limit. :-\
This couple obviously do not have kids. lol ;)
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So there is this thief standing behind a guy who is about to draw out a wad of cash. The bloke puts his card in the machine and the machine swallows the card, he taps in pin and the amount of cash required and the machine dispenses, only after the money has been removed does the machine spit the card back out.
So this thief decides not to grab the readies but to tell the bloke that the machine is not working after he has withdrawn his cash ?
I wouldn't worry too much about this pair, I don't think their Scam will work too often, and Dymond, I'm really not trying to have a 'go' at you, I am sure you were told the story in good faith, it just feels wrong on so many levels don't you think?
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You cant get the pin number from a card reader the pin is not in the data on the card the only way to get it is if they see you put it in to the machine or you wright it down somewhere.
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Hmmmm, the plot thins
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In a similar vein......
Have you heard that burglars are pumping sleeping gas into people's bedrooms via the air con and then breaking in ..........
Well that's what I overheard some one say they had been told by their next door neigbour's friend's brother's boss's daughter's mate.....
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I've heard that so many times. I can't see how it works though, surely aircon works completely the opposite way?
It happened to my auntie's brother's neighbour's workmate's chinchilla.
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Get a Davey lamp and a canary, that will fool em.
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Originally posted by Phil
In a similar vein......
Have you heard that burglars are pumping sleeping gas into people's bedrooms via the air con and then breaking in ..........
Well that's what I overheard some one say they had been told by their next door neigbour's friend's brother's boss's daughter's mate.....
They were doing that in Spain a few years back but through open windows.
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That might work
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My daughter was visiting me in June and has a few weeks ago when checking her statement found withdrawals made from her account.
Her bank asked if she had been abroad recently and told her she had had her identity stolen. The bank said a copy of her card had been made and they wanted her not to cancel it so they could trace the user. After three withdrawals (of between £40 and £80) she asked the bank to stop the card as the bank takes weeks to refund money and she could not afford to do this. Apparently her bank says the people that copy the cards making small withdrawals to test whether there is money in the account, then later sometimes buy a car on 0% interest in the first year, and then after a year the credit company will start taking large monthly payments out the account - the car meanwhile has probably been exported. My daughter said the atm machine she usually uses is one in Hisaronu near Azda but cant remember which bank. Just a word of warning!
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Originally posted by Scunner
That might work
It did and people were sleeping with them open due to feeling 'safe' because they had bars fitted.
Beware :)
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I think it was more likely copied during a transaction not at the ATM
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Originally posted by bikerchickblonde
My daughter was visiting me in June and has a few weeks ago when checking her statement found withdrawals made from her account.
Her bank asked if she had been abroad recently and told her she had had her identity stolen. The bank said a copy of her card had been made and they wanted her not to cancel it so they could trace the user. After three withdrawals (of between £40 and £80) she asked the bank to stop the card as the bank takes weeks to refund money and she could not afford to do this. Apparently her bank says the people that copy the cards making small withdrawals to test whether there is money in the account, then later sometimes buy a car on 0% interest in the first year, and then after a year the credit company will start taking large monthly payments out the account - the car meanwhile has probably been exported. My daughter said the atm machine she usually uses is one in Hisaronu near Azda but cant remember which bank. Just a word of warning!
That's the HSBC atm...always the busiest!! pretty scary though for that to happen.
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The ATM by Calis Bridge has certainly been targetted this year. We met perplexed looking friends there who told us it was 'broken'. To cut a long story short- yes they had been 'helped' when the machine kept their card - and just briefly spotted the pin number come up on screen during the 'assistance. sadly had to explain what had almost certainly happened and they spent ages trying to get throught to their bank immediately.
Yes by then the account had been cleaned.
The world is a small place and the criminals can get around just as easily as you or I so sadly we must be careful wherever we are.
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The pin number doesnt come up on the screen?
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No the pin number SHOULDN'T come up on the screen - obviously whatever software these particular guys were using in their scam caused this. as they were being distracted at the time it was very fortunate one of them spotted it flash up.
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How come all these things that are being reported on here are being reported by new users, or users who have only made 10 to 20 posts[?] and why is it they are all 2nd or 3rd hand reports[?] and conveniently nobody ever involves the police[?]
Or is just coincidence[?]
erm.........think I join the sceptical group.
I think that someone may be playing sick games:-\
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Definitely not Simon, this was real and if necessary the couple who live in Fethiye can confirm it- the only reason I have posted it is so that people are aware it happens here as well as in the UK. And one should be equally vigilant.
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Hubblebubbles hasnt made too many posts but she has been a trusted member on here for two years.
Tinx
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The pin doesn't come up on the screen and the scamers don't put software in to the machine they fit a card reader to the slot and ether stand behind you when you make the transaction or fit a small cam to read the pin. Always look at the slot if it doesn't look right don't use it.
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Sorry but i'm not an expert, simply reporting what they said happened at the atm a couple of minutes after the event. Obviously both were confused and then highly concerned as they had not realised it was a scam.
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I didn't mean any disrespect to you hubblebubbles, I was commenting broadly after reading the first post on the thread where the op has only made a dozen or so posts. It just seems that there is something being reported on here every day but nobody ever seems to report it to the authorities. Apologies hubblebubble if you thought I was having a go at you, I wasn't.
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I used to have it supplied by my company but I am now happy to pay for CREDIT CARD SENTINEL myself. One phone call from anywhere in the world stops all cards pronto.
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Thanks Simon and Tinks!
this is pertinent perhaps:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-64501/British-tourists-hit-150m-credit-card-scam.html
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Like kenkay I used to have Sentinel provided by Lloyds bank when I was with them, I have been happy to pay for it since I changed banks. I lost my card wallet coming back from Tunisia, one phone call and all was sorted, cards cancelled and new cards ordered, I received one card within 48 hours.
Baz 8)
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Just a quote from the link posted by hubblebubble.
"In France, domestic credit card fraud has been virtually eliminated thanks to the use of PIN numbers - a system yet to be introduced in Britain".
How old is the article?
Baz
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Here we go again, a post based on very suspect evidence supported by more posts with information that becomes almost laughable when looked at in a little more detail and I say it again, I don't blame the authors of the post's as I'm sure they have been told these stories (well most of the time!) and before you know it, newcomers to the forum have this picture of Calis as a place where you can't leave home or it will get burgled, the police won't be interested and might even try and extort money from you for making a statement, if you do venture away from base you are likely to get raped or mugged but only after you have been ripped off in a restaurant or bar but at least you will sleep well once back home as the gas they pump in really helps!
How about this as a way to stop this.
Only make a post on rape, rip-off, assault or burglary if it happened to you. There are more than enough members on here to be representative of what will and can happen to the tourist or ex-pat while in Calis and whatever happens out there, one of us are very likely to be either a victim or a first hand witness. At least that way we can report FACTS and not second or third hand hearsay.
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Originally posted by Rimms
How about this as a way to stop this.
Only make a post on rape, rip-off, assault or burglary if it happened to you. There are more than enough members on here to be representative of what will and can happen to the tourist or ex-pat while in Calis and whatever happens out there, one of us are very likely to be either a victim or a first hand witness. At least that way we can report FACTS and not second or third hand hearsay.
Exactly the way to go.
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reading these posts has made me realise that if it did happen to me, i don't have phone numbers kept separately to report my cards. as we usually take cash ( kept in safety box) but we could run out and have to use the atm's. will make sure i have card details from now on.it's easy to be wise after the event!
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I agree Rimms.
and only if the victim has reported incident to the police.
Baz
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I feel mildly miffed that we are deamed not bright enough to comprehend the difference between hearsay and actual fact. [:(!]
Having read this thread and several others that bring to light issues relating to security personal or otherwise I can not see why it would effect a persons perception of an area. What is posted is pretty much plastered over local papers in the UK everyday but it would not stop people going to London, Birmingham or Newcastle so why should it stop me visiting Calis or Turkey in general.
What it does highlight is just how vulnerable we really are where ever we go and just to be extra vigilant, but it would not stop me going.
I agree with the previous poster though it has made me realise that I rarely carry a list of what cards I have and how to cancel them quickly should anything happen. But that I can amend and should anything happen at least I know I will have a better chance of beating the bad guys, will also tell my partner and friends to back up their card details just incase, so realy from a bad situation something good has arisen and Calis is no worse off.
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Only post if you witnessed the incident first hand is a better idea as well as it being reported to police.
I have to let on an idea is already in hand on the same subject.
Andy
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I actually do agree with you Jay, but it's important that people get a flavour of Calis from CBF, from their first 5 minutes browsing. Over 4 pages here we collectively took a tale and picked it's bones clean. Of course those of us who know Calis are sure of how we fondly hold the place, and can disect these posts, but I wonder how many people considering Calis or Turkey for the first time (and this years was just such a year with the euro/£ value) get past the page of subject title page? How many "Another Attempted Abduction" or "ATM Scam" titles do you need in a list before you head for Google and search for holidays in Tunisia or somewhere else?
It's those people that we are trying to bore to death with our heartwarming stories of Calis, and I doubt many of them are even getting past the subjects page. We can pull dodgy stories to pieces because we know it's unlikely, but they won't, they're already lost to some other destination.
Once again, we're not trying to make Calis sound like paradise on Earth, but we are trying to make CBF reflect exactly the place it is, and it's nothing like the first impression some people must be getting here lately.
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Originally posted by Scunner
but I wonder how many people considering Calis or Turkey for the first time .... get past the page of subject title page?
You mean those that get past the Hotel Diarrhoea Turkey or Hotel Compensation Turkey adverts at the top of the page ?
;):D ;)
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I have never been to Turkey so i would be in the catigory of newbie but I have traveled around abit. I really think that you would have to have lived in a isolation bubble not to realise that what happens there is universal all over the world and not just there. I have read them and answered some of them but it has not made my desire to visit any less, what it does highlight is how gulable, nieve and irrisponsible some people are both posters and victims, for putting or getting yourself into a situation where you become vulneralbe enough.
If people are stupid enough to believe everything they read then to be honest I think the place is better off without them because they are the ones that will be future victims, let them be victims somewhere else at least the posts will be going onto someother forum.
I am really looking forward to coming over and testing the Turkish hospitality. :D
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Unfortunately the majority of people are taken in by what they read, that is a fact. People will use this forum and others to get a flavour of what a place is like and a lot of those will do that before booking or making any final decision on where they are going.
I agree 100% with Scunner, if this or any forum about any potential holiday destination is full of threads detailing rape, theft, muggings, break ins etc etc, it will put people off visiting. Regretably that is a fact, especially if you have kids to consider.
That does not mean that people shouldn't post threads about these things if they have happened but I agree with what some of the other regular contributors to this forum have said and there should be a set of rules if you like about posting these things. You should only post such things if you have first hand experience of the event, it happened to you or someone you were with and it should have been reported to the authorities. If not then you shouldn't be posting it, as it is only hearsay.
I think that those that look after this site like Scunner should set out their rules on things like this and if they aren't met then the thread should be deleted.
I was told about this site by the lady who we are renting our apartment from. To be honest we had never been keen on coming to Turkey, for various reasons. We hired her caravan in Blackpool last year when I wasn't allowed to fly, she told us about her apartment in Calis and knowing we weren't keen told me to check out this site, rather than take her word for it on what 'a great place' Calis is. I did and as a result of what I found, we decided to try Turkey and booked her apartment for our forthcoming holiday in October, which we are so looking forward to.
Now I have the intelligence to put things in perspective and take a balanced view on things as do a lot of people. However there are also a lot of people who look at what they read and would say, "sod that, we aren't going there!" because they go by first impressions, which are definitive to them.
I think that there is a definate need now for clear guidelines, or rules if you prefer on what people post to stop 'damage' being done to the reputation of Calis beach and Turkey.
I stress again that this doesn't mean that these things should not be reported but they should only be reported by those involved and reported as hearsay, or third, fourth and fifth hand.
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i live in bolton lancs & judging by the number of murders, rapes, assaults, arson attacks that really have happened here, it's a wonder anyone still lives here, never minds visits!turkey is a great place, but like everywhere has some problems, except maybe the moon!!! [:X][:X][:X]
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It's clear that the amount of subjects we post about assaults, burglaries etc can have a negative and a positive side to people reading this forum for the first time.
On one hand it can scare and put off people from visiting
However, it gives you a realistic view that it's not a magical land where nothing bad happens.
It's all about common sense and how open minded you are really.
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Partly.
But let me ask you a question. How many times on your holiday to Calis did you see anything like that?
It's about reflecting what being in Calis is about and keeping things in perspective. I'm not having a go at you TW, not one bit - I'd be interested to hear if the amount of bad things you saw happen in Calis reflects the general overview people will take from this forum. I was there for 17 days and the number of bad things I saw happen was around 0.
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Actually
When we lived in Jakarta and visited Bali, our card was scammed. Fortunately I had a statemant quit quickly and stopped the card.
First they used it for a few meals in Hartford and then used it on internet gambling. A 100 pound a time,but they only used 1 pound to gamble they cash in the rest.
They got nearly 7000 pounds in total.
I got it all back but in drips and drabs over a six month period.
Since then I very rarely use a card in a shop or restaurant.
And, by the way, it's true.
Steve
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How about a section at the bottom of the Forum,with a title such as 'other news' or 'reports of offences' or 'stay alert'.put any reports of alleged offences in this section.Hopefully new readers would get a more balanced view of Calis/Turkey before getting down to this section,but at the same time the Forum could'nt be accused of glossing over the rough bits. :)
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if anybody knows anyone who was using or staying at nazar garden hotel 30th aug to 5th september or knows any of the bosses at this hotel will verify what happened as this is where this couple was staying and it was common knowledge of them getting robbed in calis. i dont know the finer details of how it happened but the guy was at an atm machine and was distracted and someone did steal his card and he stated that his bank was emptied of £1000.on the day they were leaving for the airport they were just informing newcomers to be vigilant.
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ATM's will only give 600 TL per day, so as to stop theft, unless you have a prior agreement, if this couple only had £1,000 in their account it's unlikely they would have an agreement to take the lot in one go.. I still find stories like this really hard to believe and have decided only to take notice of first hand accounts.
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the scam.... the gang usually 2/3 spot the target.
follow to atm.
gang member 1 approaches to the left waits and watches till victim has put in pin num, whilst distracting them with conversation that the machine is faulty and that u should retrieve your card enabling them to be close enuff to see the keyboard,
gang member number 2 hits the return card option from the right hand side and is off with the card.
leaving the victim totally flustered overwhelmed and confused as to what just happened as they thought they were being helped.and presuming the machine has swallowed the card.
the card is then used immediately at the next cashpoint the gang finds available and takes the max daily amount whatever that may be. leaving zero time for the card to be cancelled.
i think thats why we have cctv at most atm,s in the uk now. these guys are very fast!
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Still doesn't explain how they got all their money out. However I do have an account that allows £500 per day but it's not an account you can open on the high street (I'm sure they are available with other banks though). Maybe they had a similar one? That might explain how they got the money out - after all if it was stolen at say 8pm it's only 4 hours to the next day - maybe no time to cancel the card and two lots taken out easily.
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I have an account that allows me to take out £600 per day, and I still can't get more than 600 lira out in Turkey.
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I'd have to check with my banker (that's the wife) but I'm sure we have taken out more than 600ytl in one go.
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Just checked and 600ytl is the most we took out in one go in one day. So it would take around 4 days to get £1000 out!
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Case dismissed
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the card could still be used in stores/internet/petrol stations with a valid pin numba, regardless of how much was taken at the cashpoint.
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Case reopened
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laffin!:D
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One of our cards allows us to withdraw 1,000 TL per day, and we've had no problem obtaining that in 50s or 100s, BUT if the ATM is only dispensing 20s or 10s, the slot isn't thick enough for the money to come out so it reduces the available amount to 400 TL per transaction.
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Originally posted by minxer
the card could still be used in stores/internet/petrol stations with a valid pin numba, regardless of how much was taken at the cashpoint.
I guess they were lucky they only had £1000 in it then. Not joking - it could gave been much worse had they had more in their account.
Moral - make sure you go into an enclosed cash machine and watch out for anyone who gets too close.
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I still don't believe a word of it though :)
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Nor me ! ;)
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We met this couple on the day they were returning home to the UK and they were very upset with their 1st trip to Turkey.We did try to convince them that they had been very unlucky and that it's a lot safer here than at home and to give it another try.They explained that they'd gone to the ATM about 11:50pm and noticed a man stood to the right of them obviously now with hindsight, clocking their PIN.To the left was another who distracted them by appearing to be trying to help them with the Turkish symbols,when the card and cash came out they snatched both and shot off.It all happened so fast they were both shocked and the young girl,to make it worse, was heavily pregnant.It get's even worse,at about 12:15am the gang knowing the PIN drew another sum of cash,altogether it was £600. they only found this out later when they cancelled the card
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what a shame hope they got it sorted and it as not put them off turkey
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It is sad to read for sure. One thing I don't do when visiting a country for the first time is use the ATM at ten to midnight and even if I did I would be so on guard that nobody to the right of me would be clocking my pin. Again I don't want to be unsympathetic but...etc...