Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Bar and Restaurant Questions and Discussions => Topic started by: helen on September 21, 2009, 08:08:01 AM
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we have heard that all apartment and villa complexes that serve food and alcohol have been ordered to close.
Apparently this is to force tourists to use the hotels and bars that are suffering from lack of buisness.
Also this supposed to happen after byram this week.I dont know if its true as gossip tends to be rife around here.Can anyone clarify if its true.
Thanks
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Yes Helen it is true and apparently has resulted from complaints. We would love to know who the complainants are and do some real boycotting[:(!]
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apparently the complaints are from the bar and restaurant owners on calis beach,but as we all know this is hearsay
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This will surely be catastrophic for these places. :o This takes away people's choices and will cause a lot of grief to a lot of people. I hope they find a way around this daft ruling.
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I suppose then that there will be a reduction in their maintenance payments? No chance.
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Not sure who this is unfare to really.Yes the owners of the apartments/villas may find their maintenance increasing as a result.But if these venues are unlicenced for the sale of food and drink etc,they are undercutting the competition,would you not say unfairly?.If the people running them are avoiding kdv,or any sort of tax we will all suffer due to increased prices at regulated premises.Turkey allready struggles to collect taxes is it suggested we avoid the regs as well?
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Not a reduction mercury,more likely an increase due to loss of the profit from these little bars.
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CaptainJohn
I am one of those owners and can assure you it is all run legally.
Please do not come on here and state otherwise without knowing all the facts involved.
Seems to me you have to much to say in matters whch don't concern you
Anne
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Well said Anne.
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To further Anne's comments we DO NOT undercut anybody. If anything it's to the contary. Everything passing through our bar is purchased through local wholesalers at local prices.
I have the odd sarnie or omelette in our bar so when I can't will I trot of down to Calis [?], No I'll make it in my apartment and now probably do it sometimes when I would have gone to Calis before[:(!]
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Well said Anne.
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So if you are all legal on what grounds are you being shut down? you have the same rights of complaint do you not??
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very good point captain,there must be somewhere that can sort it out,if everthing on these complexes are above board what is the problem,
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Originally posted by captainjon
So if you are all legal on what grounds are you being shut down?
Probably the same reason any business involving foreigners in Turkey, Jealousy
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Local businesses looking for another excuse for a bad season.
Sour grapes.
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i know the turkish guy tuna who runs violet he also runs our complex in ovacik and i know everything is run correctly kdv and all other taxes paid
he is trying to get all complex bar owners in calis together so they can have a meeting with halima ok head of the zabita
SO if anybody is on a complex with a bar please ask your people to get in touch with him
ive just spoke to him he says they can carry on until the end of this season
TUNAS NUMBER mobile-05332131712
office-616 6509
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apparently most bars on complexs have no tapu and are illegally built,this is why they are clampping down,i think its just a ploy by the council to get more money
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Ours isn't Helen, it was on the original plans when we bought five years ago. Why was Odek allowed to build it in the first place for it to be illegal now???
There are too many rumours and not enough facts!
As Marjo has stated, anyone on a complex in this same situation please contact Tuna. If we all fight together on this matter hopefully we will get it resolved before next season.
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Oh,Anne, just a friendly reply re your remarks,this is an open forum,and I posed questions as anyone might.The problems you face would be of some concern to anyone reading hence the posts.But, I had friends staying at one of the complexes involved during the whole of the month of August and he related to me the details,so you see I am aware of what is involved,I just declined to use hearsay.May I make one last remark on this.No-one has suggested using the governers help line on this issue,it seems to me it would be a good place to start,and at no cost
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Already done CJ
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Just an observation CJ but when Anne originally asked for help all you could offer was that she hire a car and "go see" - now you seem to be full of worldly advice based on the fact that a friend stayed on a complex with a bar.
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So whats your point?
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"Just an observation", or did you think only you could make them [:o)]
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I found this all very interesting and this problem is not confined to bar/restaurants on complexes. Many council officials are also land/hotel/restaurant/bar/shop owners or have family that are so have a vested interest in shutting down any competition.
I add these examples only to highlight that this is an endemic problem of jealousy, greed and nepotism.
Other examples
1. Landowners with hotels that have made a killing in this area selling their land and off plan aparts and villas now shop people for not paying tax when they rent out or let friends and family stay in the villas they sold.
They think these people should pay to stay in their hotel and don't like it that they don't. This is regardless of whether these people ever would have stayed in their hotel or not.
2. Many people I know including myself in the distant past who have rented an apart or villa long term often paying all the rent up front for a year sometimes two years have then been harassed and threatened sometimes physically by the landlord when they have guests to stay, again because the owner thinks these people should be paying to stay in their hotel.
3. Craft market closed down in Oludeniz because the shopkeepers didn't like the competition - now partially re-opened late in the season with plans to possibly extend again or close down again next year - the rumours are rife so it's any ones guess what will happen. Thirty families who relied on this market to survive all year around were completely screwed by the late notice of this closure just 3 weeks before the season started.
4. There is talk about the Hisaronu Monday market being made smaller because the shop keepers don't like the competition. These same shop owners marched in protest on the council when the little craft market in Hisaronu and the Oludeniz Craft market originally opened and kept up their campaign of opposition for the past 5 years until they finally got their way and both were closed.
5. Someone I know who does pool maintenance (properly, actually doing what they say they'll do even when the owners are abroad) has had work sabotaged more than once.
Anyway, good luck to anyone who takes on these people, I hope you win.
Nichola
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6. The idea that Calis promenade restaurants could look after the part of the beach in front of their establishment (i.e. keep it clean) in return for being able to serve drinks/remove local authority sunbeds was pretty much laughed at, using the logic that restaurants that don't front the beach can't have a bit of beach to look after and would object.
There can't be many worse places on the planet to have a business and expect to run it without dirty tricks - and it has little to do with whether you are foreign or not.
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i agree with you kieth whole heartedly about, little to do with whether you are foreign or not, too many expats understandably feel racially victimized when they fall foul of a legal discrepency but its not usually the case.
what i do know for sure is that local authorities have to have a very legitimate reason for closing down a bussiness otherwise they can taken to the courts themselves.
what i think is a great feather in turkeys cap in a round about way is bowing to democracy in the recent campaign uzumlu made against big bussiness and winning. well done firo and company bye the way!!
i was involved in a campaign in the uk of similar circumstances. but bigger and it was a total waste of time ....all the descissions had been made long before hand, behind closed doors,..... corruption, dirty tricks, smear campaigns etc. were the norm....public enquiries uk? a joke!!
right wheres the spell check?????