Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Expat & Property Owners Q and A Forum => Topic started by: scouser2swife on November 11, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
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Has anyone else got the same problem as us?.we live in a 6 apartment building 1 apartment is still unsold.The other 5 apartments were all owned by Brits as holiday homes until Feb09.They owners sold to a Turkish man and we had discussed with him maintenance payments and he told us 'no problem'.We got the pool up and running and we still received no payments from him.In early summer his British girlfriend moved out here and they were in the pool all day and every day.I broached the subject of money with her and she said that she would give me her share.No money was forthcoming.In September one of the other owners asked him about his share of the maintenance and he and his girlfriend ran up to our apartment swearing and shouting at me and threatening our lovely neighbours.The upshot is we have had no money from the Turkishman or his girlfriend and they have taken to ignoring us and our british neighbours, and as you can imagine it's not a nice atmosphere to live in. Anyone got any suggestions as to how we can get some maintenance money from this man?:(
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We have a similar problem on our block of 8 apartments. Five are owned by Brits as holiday homes, one by a Russian family, again as a holiday home, one is still for sale, and there is one Turkish resident who rents long term off the owner. She refuses to pay any maintenance, but invites all her Turkish friends/neighbours over to use the pool. (They use our sunbeds and any pool toys/lilos that may still be out at the poolside.)
Not sure there's an easy answer to this one. 8)
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Scouser, what is the name of your apartment building and have you any names? best if you e mail them to me through my profile.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Scouser, what is the name of your apartment building and have you any names? best if you e mail them to me through my profile.
Hi Tinkerman. I can't get your email address from your profile and I can't get the link to work.You can email me and I'll reply ASAP.
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I just wouldn't attend to the pool for a while. Cut off my nose to spite my face really ! But this is a real problem with many apartment bloks. Hope someone can advise.
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It's a sad situation because we actually knew (or thought we knew) this Turkish man before he bought and thought he was a friend. A friend of mine who lives in a building with a number of Turks told me that I'd have trouble getting money out of him and I thought that she was just being negative. After he moved in to his apartment he was always pestering us about 'home improvements' that we should have done and he would arrange the work to be done. I asked him if he would have the same work done and he said no, did we ask around for quotes.His prices were upward of 50% more!Unfortunately we had already had him arrange a number of jobs for us prior to seeing through him.
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Originally posted by littlereddevil
I just wouldn't attend to the pool for a while. Cut off my nose to spite my face really ! But this is a real problem with many apartment bloks. Hope someone can advise.
I ran out of money to keep the pool open in mid October, so it has been partly drained anyway.
The other thing is that this is the first year that we have used the pool, as when the other owners are here we feel that they should have priority as we can use it when they are gone.
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Originally posted by julesbob0303
We have a similar problem on our block of 8 apartments. Five are owned by Brits as holiday homes, one by a Russian family, again as a holiday home, one is still for sale, and there is one Turkish resident who rents long term off the owner. She refuses to pay any maintenance, but invites all her Turkish friends/neighbours over to use the pool. (They use our sunbeds and any pool toys/lilos that may still be out at the poolside.)
Not sure there's an easy answer to this one. 8)
Yes this guy and his girlfriend do that too.They took sunloungers out of the shed and haven't bothered to put them away.I am damned if I'm putting them away....I'll let the owner of the sunloungers have it out with them next year when they come out.
The other thing is, We sort the pool out and pay communal bills etc and take no money for this, but we get abuse!! Totally outrageous.:(
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Have a look at the condomium that will help out your situation. We had a prob like this on our complex and it is very helpful.
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How very rude of these people. I can't believe that people can behave this way. As you said it creates an unpleasant atmosphere.
I know its winter now but maybe start making things difficult for them. Padlock the shed for starters! Maybe you could make it impossible for them to use the pool I have a few ideas but they are probably illegal!
Good luck though, hopefully Tinkerman can help you
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Any suggestions Tinkerman? All suggestions gratefully received.:D:P:P 8)
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we are in ovacik on a site with 14 villas , a turkish man owns 6 of these that are unsold , but only wants to pay fees for one of them that he and his family use, we have the condominium law and a solicitor who comes to the agm and we still cant get money off him . any advice would be appreciated . thanks
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Seems that this problem is more widespread than i thought, and that there is very little that we can do about it....except put up and shut up!!![xx(]:(:-\
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make up an invoice for each share and haveit authorised via a noter and have it served on him by a solicitor. This might scare him a bit because if he doesn't pay it can go to court and the court can order seizure of belongings,etc. It would probably be enough to give him a scare at the initial stages.
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Originally posted by yasemin3
make up an invoice for each share and haveit authorised via a noter and have it served on him by a solicitor. This might scare him a bit because if he doesn't pay it can go to court and the court can order seizure of belongings,etc. It would probably be enough to give him a scare at the initial stages.
Hi Yasemin,
There is honestly no point to doing this as this man has not paid his water bill for over a year, and his electricity is cut off monthly, and he hasn't got many posessions. He has told 1 owner here that he will pay this year, but I am not holding my breath.The other owners are not keen to take legal action because of the possible costs, and also because as they are only here for a few weeks they want to be able to relax' meanwhile we are all paying 25% more this year.If no money is paid this year then maybe legal action will be taken next year.....Watch this space!!!
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We have the same problem in our small complex of 8 apartments. We are currently only receiving 7 contributions. 2 of the apartments are Turkish owned - one pays and one does not. So far we are manging to cope with the financial situation and have not had to increase payments for this year. But next year that will have to change and how long will it be before the other Turkish owner stops paying?
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We have suffered with Turkish neighbours. We own an apartment, one of 6, we are the only English owners and 2 are empty, we are therefore the only people who maintain the pool. Whenever we come over or have guests we have to arrange for the pool to be cleaned and filled and cover all of the costs ourselves! They say they will contribute when all the apartments are full!!
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One option here may be to call the Mugla governor help line.If enough people use this facility they can use the local zabita to resolve this problem at no cost.It was used by a number of individuals some time ago with success,but has probably been forgotten.
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Originally posted by captainjon
One option here may be to call the Mugla governor help line.If enough people use this facility they can use the local zabita to resolve this problem at no cost.It was used by a number of individuals some time ago with success,but has probably been forgotten.
This would have been my suggestion. The problem trying to resolve these issues locally is two fold: Language barrier and you never know what relationship the purpetrator has with the local official?
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Most local officials will not argue with the governors office.The people on the complaints site I am told speak good english and were chosen because of it.
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does anyone have the contact number for this help from the mugla governer . thanks
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Try this link:
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/living/5510-alo179-visitor-complaint-line-secures-gem-refund.html
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just ring 179 and bobs your uncle - very pleasant helpful staff with excellent English
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Thanks for the number Nichola. :)
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Update on our neighbour not making payments.
This is the second year that he has made no payments, despite telling our other neighbour that he would. The empty apartment in our block has been sold, and the new owners have asked me about maintenance charges for next year. I then heard my non-payment neighbour telling our new neighbour that the charges were too high!!
I am seriously getting annoyed now.
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I understand that in one case of non-payment in Turkey (not Fethiye area but still 'tourist' Turkey) a British owner hadn't paid maintenance or anything else in the several years he had owned the property. He had never returned to Turkey since taking ownership and Tapu. Not paying his council tax (which wasn't a huge amount) was his undoing - after many attempts to contact him his property was sold and the debt paid from the proceeds. The balance awaits him, although he doesn't know any of this yet.
So, your water bill might be 1 lira a decade but paying it is a good idea ;)
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I wish Keith.
This guy (with his British girlfriend) live in the apartment all year round.He has an outstanding water bill (in the previous owners name) for 18 months water.
The new owner of the recently bought apartment asked me to go to the water board with him, as the water for that apartment was put in my name by this guy!(long story, but he was the agent we bought from).I am just hoping that he hasn't put anything else in my name.
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One of the owners in our complex has arrived and has asked him if he intends to pay this year, and has been told that he has no money. Meanwhile his girlfriend has been on a trip to the U.K, and has returned with not only a suitcase full of new clothes, but 6 members of her family to stay!My wife is furious because it appears that they have the money to buy clothes and make up, and eat out most nights, but no money for communal bills.At least our other neighbours are getting as annoyed as we are, as they cant get near to the pool either!!
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Chris why not turn the water and electric off to there individual apartment.
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Hi Steve. Not much point in turning their water or electric off, as they are not covered in the communal bills.And anyway we are hoping that the water board will cut them off as he hasn't paid his water bill for over 18 months.As for his electric, that get cut off notices regularly and then they pay up.They have got the money, he just refuses to pay his bills until the last minute, so it 'appears' that they are skint.
His electric was cut off when his girlfriend was away, so he used one of the other apartments (we have warned the other owners to change their locks,) as he still has keys since he was the estate agent we bought from.
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Chris, I can see the problem and having been in a similar situation some years ago i can understand your frustration, just a quick point is your communal pump, pumping the water to his apartment? (as was the case with me) therefore costing the you and the other owners money on the supply of electric to activate the pump every time they shower or wash etc, if so then cut him off, I think the legal powers that be would support your actions.
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Our apartment is the only one on our block that has solar heated water. The other apts have water heaters and water pipes.....dont know anything about water pumps.
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The electric pump gives you pressure Chris from the mains supply to the apartments, do you get a communal electric bill? if so you all could be paying part of his bill for his supply of water.
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Thanks BM06 for the info....will look into it. ;)