Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: quackers on November 13, 2009, 10:48:58 AM
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There I was yesterday in local bar/restaurant and it was raining outside. Where were the smokers? Inside ofcourse, brits and turkish. Nowhere to stand out of the rain while they had a fag I expect. Then I thought, if the Police come in would they all be fined plus bar owner?
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No,they would probably light a fag up as well.
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I think we can safely assume the 'alleged' smoking ban never got off the ground!!!
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oh june how wrong you are...i know of one pub that is being watched...believe me ..one of the bars soon will be fined, its winter and less bars are open so less bars to watch..mark my words..it wont be long till some one is posting they or there bar has been done for allowing smoking inside of there premisses :o
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Especially if the night before they were packed and next door was empty
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We were in Serkul 1 the other night and the smokers were outside, really enjoyed the meal as well.
Baz 8)
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
oh june how wrong you are...i know of one pub that is being watched...believe me ..one of the bars soon will be fined, its winter and less bars are open so less bars to watch..mark my words..it wont be long till some one is posting they or there bar has been done for allowing smoking inside of there premisses :o
So, has anyone been fined yet ? Just wondering how much the ban is being upheld and if the smokers in Turkey are as well behaved as they are in the UK - standing outside in the rain and snow for a smoke.
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All the bars we have been in this winter except one, the customers and staff have all gone outside in all weathers to smoke. The other I just did not go back.
Mark
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Also if you are one of the bars that allow this dont let people take photos of customers smoking and and then put it on this forum ,how stupid is that.
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Don't want to mention about name, but I heard a place is fined for 5.000 TL.
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Heard recently that the Baskan of our village wandered into a watering hole, went upstairs and proceeded to light up[:(!] When asked politely to not smoke as it was now illegal he just ignored it and carried on :o What can you do!!!
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the law is the law...no smoking in confioned spaces..totaly agree with it..more power to the non smoker ....:P
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I dont think posting hearsay or inuendo or rumour has a place here.But as an ex smoker albeit up to 30 years ago,I do think its an infringement of human rights.if the bar,restaruant,watering hole or whatever is not to your taste avoid it.I agree smoking is a health hazard.So why dont all governments totaly BAN it.Job done.Markets find their own level in every other commodity in the world from food stuffs to gold etc,so why not smoking???????or sales of cigarettes also.
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We were there last year, on the day the ban was introduced, every bar or restaurant we went into, observed this, and it was greatly appreciated. We returned in October, despite the colder nights and bars being enclosed they still were observing it. I would also like to point point out that the smokers should great consideration and respected the law.
David
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Was in a restaurant in January,Police came in and threw out the smokers and fined the owners 3,000 Lira Also in Pasa Kebap the smokers sat outside in the rain.
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trouble is now if you do want to sit outside in the fresh air its full of smokers...lol
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You're totally right, Captainjon, smoking is a health hazard. So is alcohol, perhaps that should be banned as well :-\
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The problem with smoking is the "passive" dimension, that is not the case with alcohol as far as I know. This is a very thorny issue, my comment is merely an observation. That said, surely life is so much more pleasure in a bar etc without the awful pungent smell of smoke for all concerned!
Kevin
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PK totally agree
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As a smoker, but a non drinker, the point is valid regarding second hand smoke, my friends who drink but do not smoke do not force me to drink, however if i smoke in a confined place i am forceing them to smoke all be it second hand. Every restaraunt/bar i have been in since the ban in both fethiye and calis have enforced the ban, however i have seen holiday makers smoking in bars in both hisaronou, and ovacik, i have also heard said holiday makers being very intimmedating when asked to go outside to smoke. Smoker or non smoker, surely we are required to abide by the laws of any where we CHOOSE to go regardless of what we see going on around us. Just my opinion.
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As a smoker I understand the valid points raised, but if nobody drank or smoked how much money would countries lose from the revenue?
I always respect the no smoking bans and always when in rome do as the romans do - so if that means smoking in the snow, rain, wind etc. thats fine by me and well mannered people will always do the same!!
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Originally posted by cheers
but if nobody drank or smoked how much money would countries lose from the revenue?
I wouldn't be to concerned about that, as finance and treasury ministers of most countries set targets for the revenue and then look at ways it can be raised through different methods of taxation.
Countries will not lose revenue as they have the facility to recoup it from elsewhere.
David
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Both myself and my O/H are smokers, we have never smoked inside restaurants or where people are eating anyway! It seems really strange now when we go abroad and people are smoking in public places.[8)]. We have certainly saved some money since the smoking ban came in especially this winter its been to cold, snowy or slippy to go out for a drink never mind a fag :o! Our local bingo hall has closed down, also a few pubs in the area, I don't know if its anything to do with the smoking ban. (I only want 2 numbers give us a ciggie:D). Lynn
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Originally posted by Lynn Hurst
Both myself and my O/H are smokers, we have never smoked inside restaurants or where people are eating anyway! It seems really strange now when we go abroad and people are smoking in public places.[8)]. We have certainly saved some money since the smoking ban came in especially this winter its been to cold, snowy or slippy to go out for a drink never mind a fag :o! Our local bingo hall has closed down, also a few pubs in the area, I don't know if its anything to do with the smoking ban. (I only want 2 numbers give us a ciggie:D). Lynn
I think it has a lot to do with the ban listening to my friends - (a drink and a cig go together) and its such a shame a choice for venues to be either smoke free or smoking allowed wasn't given after all. It reads as though Turkey isn't providing a choice either - outside or nothing! Are the bars/restaurants trying to cater for smokers too outside with heaters etc?
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In fairness if there was a demand for smoke free bars in the UK or Turkey, the free market would have provided them. Just as Wetherspoons did with music free bars. Nobody thought it a great enough idea to actually do it.
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I forgot all about the smoking ban in Turkey, but agree alot more people are staying in because of it, I know since our local closed alot of our friends dont go out much, but the pub we go in now, come 11pm it ashtrays and ciggies on the table,
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Yes Davidzz, Countries will always seek new ways of raising revenues.
I have heard that the Department of Trade and Industry ( DTI ) have calculated they could raise the same annual sum as now raised on both Direct and Indirect taxes on Tobacco products, should the use of Tobacco in the U.K be totally banned, in their words " quite painlessly".
They propose simply to put a charge on posts to the Internet, at roughly £4.50 for a pack of twenty posts.
And if you regularly make posts on the internet and your computer goes wrong, your " Free Service Guarantee " will be null and void and you will have to pay for a private service to get it fixed! :)
Protection from the effects of reading posts from regular posters ( "Passive Posting" ) will be dealt with by isolating posts from regular " posters " to ares not serviced by the internet.:D:D
Regards
Farmer
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Originally posted by Scunner
In fairness if there was a demand for smoke free bars in the UK or Turkey, the free market would have provided them. Just as Wetherspoons did with music free bars. Nobody thought it a great enough idea to actually do it.
That's very true Scunner - the whole business was a done deal before anyone was consulted. I agree there should be some smoke free establishments for those that want them but fail to understand why the same choice isn't given to those that do want to smoke?
I have read about the Pub landlord who was given a 6 month jail sentence for not paying his fines (having allowed people to smoke in his pub whilst advising them they were breaking the law and providing leaflets on every table about the support available to give up!) Public opinion was such that his fine was donated and he was released after 11 days. We have a crafty Goverment that makes landlords and bar owners the big time losers if they allow their customers any choice - or don't prevent their customers breaking the law!
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Originally posted by laffa
I forgot all about the smoking ban in Turkey, but agree alot more people are staying in because of it, I know since our local closed alot of our friends dont go out much, but the pub we go in now, come 11pm it ashtrays and ciggies on the table,
Do the non/anti smokers stay behind for this "lock-in" too? ;)
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Perhaps in these days of poilitical correctness, someone should bring a case that their human rights are being violated by the smoking ban denying them the pleasure they derive from cigarettes.
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Totally agree with you Bluewise there should be some choice but unfortunately there isnt! Government told breweries that with no smoking more families and no smokers would go to the pubs. This didn't happen!! A lot of pubs were made family friendly but the families cannot afford to go out for a meal in one of these establishments. Non smokers still stayed at home and the smokers stayed away which is why approx 40-50 pubs close down every week.
By the way after 11pm on a lock-in the non smokers are quite happy to sit opposite a smoker - I wonder why?
Still don't see charges for internet postings are going to make up for lost revenue is it another pie in the sky idea I think so!!
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How about a £1 tax for every question asked on CBF that has already been asked and can be found simply by using the search facility?
All revenues to me of course, not the Government ;)
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Scunner with respect, if everyone just used the search facility would the forum not die? As a relative newbie to this forum i like to look for the latest opinions on things rather than seeing what someone thought about a question maybe a year or two ago.
Just an observation!
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Would the forum die? I doubt it, I've been trying to kill it for years :D
The point is that most answers are here already and it is quicker to search for it than to ask the question. The £1 idea above was a joke by the way.
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Hi
In Nerderlands tonight.
Holland as we call it.
In the last week spent time here, Germany and France. All no smokiking bars/Hotels.
Also transport was no smoking. Result. Instead of 2 paks (plus) a day, one pack lasted me nearly 3 days.
Funny, I didn't miss them
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Originally posted by Scunner
Would the forum die? I doubt it, I've been trying to kill it for years :D
:D
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Just an observation, bars seem to be adhering to the ban but nightclubs are definitely not!
Every nightclub i've been to this winter is full of people smoking and plenty of ashtrays around - perhaps its ok as long as the Zabita (or whoever polices the ban) are tucked-up in bed.
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Ok can I get this right - if you are at a bar or restaurant but you have a table outside/not under cover is it then ok to smoke?
Thanks
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Correct :)
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Originally posted by Scunner
Correct :)
Cheers
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Ive found that many places this winter, if they have a sobe or log fire indoors and are not busy, actively encourage you to smoke indoors saying its smokey anyway. Think its because then they can also do! But I do know 1 or 2 who got fined