Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Scunner on December 08, 2009, 12:50:58 PM
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A TURMEPA press release for you :)
The Turkish Marine Environment Protection Association (TURMEPA) is mounting an education program to promote greener tourism- and pleasure-boating in the region of Gocek and Fethiye, on the Aegean coast, where these activities have grown considerably over the years. The project supported by Transat is structured around an extensive sustainable tourism awareness campaign, along with training programs for tour boat captains and sailors as well as employees of marinas and seaside hotels. The workshops will seek to promote heightened awareness of environmental issues among some 500 regional tourism stakeholders so as to better protect marine plants and animals in this tourist region, renowned for its magnificent bays and located in one of the country's 14 Specially Protected Areas. TURMEPA is a non-government organization founded in 1994 and dedicated to protecting Turkey's marine environment and its 8,333 kilometres of coastline.
This couldn't possibly mean that hundreds of tourists will have to take their empty plastic water bottles and coke cans home rather than chuck them on the island shores could it..?
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Originally posted by Scunner
This couldn't possibly mean that hundreds of tourists will have to take their empty plastic water bottles and coke cans home rather than chuck them on the island shores could it..?
What, like the riders of quad-bikes, passengers on Jeep Safaris, picnicers etc already do ? ;):D ;)
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Quad bikers? Not on Red Island they don't :D
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Well, they get every*******where else !!! : :): :) ;): :): :)
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It,s not only tourists!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Uzumlu Hill rubbish definitely isnt just tourists - in fact in the winter there are no tourists! At the bottom of the hill is tip after tip of everybody's rubbish - builders and household rubbish! The picnic site at the bottom of the hill next to the cemetery is a disgrace! As a charge is made for entry - perhaps this area should be cleaned up with the money taken! Other picnic stops on the way up the hill are covered in picnic waste, etc. - I would not want to picnic in other people's waste! Education about litter and saving the environment should be initiated by the schools perhaps!
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Well said BCB !
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I think they should start with educating the Turks on environmental issues before the tourists. There is rubbish everywhere. The common way to get rid of building rubble is to take it into the forest and dump it anywhere.Look at the state of the land by the side of the road up to Uzumlu and going out the Antalya road. Most days I take my dogs walking iin the forest and it is not unusual to see a new pile of rubble appearing at least once a week. Most of this is caused by fly tipping.
The tourists should ensure that the beer tins and water bottles are properly disposed of and not just thrown into the sea or on the beaches.
There is a duty on everyone to ensure that this beatiful part of Turkey stays beautiful and not turn into a giant rubbish tip.
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My TV has quite a few Arab channels. There is one ad where the family have gone for a picnic, throw the rubbish any which way and when they get home the rubbish has ended up in their house. Great ad, wish the Turkish Authorities would do the same type of thing. It only takes a bit of education and a few more litter bins.
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used to be in fethiye that at the beginning of the tourist season and before the summer holidays.
the tour boats took out school kids with their teachers for a day out and their job was to clean up the beaches, put all the jetsom and flotsom in plastic bags and bring ashore in fethiye.
they had a great day out, but i think its stopped now.
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Originally posted by milliemars
It,s not only tourists!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have just driven up to Ovacik from Fethiye behind a Turkish Car driven by a Turkish man when 2 empty bottles came out of his window straight onto the road,followed by varios other bits of rubbish from inside the car!¬:(
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
I think they should start with educating the Turks on environmental issues before the tourists.
There's little more irritating than being told how your country should be run and where it is going wrong by foreigners who chose the place over their own. I wonder what your reaction would be if you were still in the UK and read a forum where Polish people dealt out opinions on why and where they think Britain needs to try harder.
It wasn't exactly centuries ago that the UK had exactly the same mindset, hence the introduction of the "Keep Britain Tidy" campaign which still operates today.
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well said scunner.
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What do you think keep Britain tidy was. It was an education of the British public to become more aware of their environment and the consequences of their actions. I am not trying to tell the Turks how to run their country I am saying that maybe a similar campaign may help Turkey. The state of the environment and the ability of the planet to survive for future generations is currently being discussed by 192 countries meeting in Denmark.
It is very difficult to preach to foreigners if all they see around them is rubbish everywhere.
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Don't then
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I don't think he IS preaching to the Turks. And I agree with what he has said.
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I don't. You choose a place warts and all or you stay where you were. You can't have the sun and not the thunderstorms. The UK isn't utopia and neither is Turkey. If such a place exists, probably none of us could afford it ;)
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I don't agree. People who go to live in the UK can see faults and I can see faults here in Turkey. I didn't like seeing rubbish thrown about in the UK, I don't like seeing it here. Just because I moved here doesn't mean I have lost my right to have opinions.
But then, you have a right to yours too.....
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I really loved to see rubbish being thrown about when I was in Turkey. That's partly the point, nobody of any nationality thinks it's a good thing. It's a habitual and a responsibility matter. My point isn't that it's not a bad thing, or that you aren't allowed to think it is a bad thing - my point is that telling people what needs to be done in the place you chose as your home, with your own free will, is rather rich and pompous. Obviously the level of litter in potential foreign destinations to move to wasn't of much importance to "ovacikpeedoff" when they chose it, now they find themselves there it is of paramount importance and something that must be thrust into the English speaking arena for others to complain about too.
The name is a clue. In the end I became "Calispeedoff" (not about litter and livestock mind you) and rather than sit in the sun moaning about it, I decided to start a new chapter.
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Would agree with Rindaloo and Ovacikpeedoff, it is a matter of education. It's not a case of telling the Turks how to run their country it's a case of trying to get the message across that all this rubbish will eventually ruin their beautiful countryside and wildlife. Perhaps it would help if there were official places to dump rubbish? In the Uzumlu area there is a lot of rubbish dumping, especially from builders. Walking my dog in the woods I've come across a load of household rubbish dumped including hyperdermic syringes and dead animals!!
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Our maintenance man does a lovely job but then dumps any rubbish over the wall unless asked not to!I do believe there is an element of if it is not on my land it is not a problem. At least it is organic waste though and we can dispose of it.
I cannot see British tourists hiring lorries to transport the amount of rubbish which is appearing in the areas around Fethiye. Perhaps Tommy the Turtle could be promoted more to give everyone of whatever nationality a message about the effects of dumping rubbish. Another thing that is alarming is when plastic bottles are burned. The fumes are to toxic and can harm the health of people,especially babies. I have seen plastic bottles being burned on a fire in a restaurant in Fethiye and when I asked them not to do it the answer was that they are poor and need them as fuel.
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The fact that I am a foreigner does not stop me from expressing an opinion. The Turks are starting to recognize there is a problem and there has to be starting place and I believe it is not with the tourist. I would say that the tourist is responsible for less than 1% of the Fethiye rubbish. Until the Turks are educated to keep Turkey tidy then the problem will never go away.
If I was currently living in the UK and foreigners gave advice that improved the country then I think we should listen and act on it.
Taking the point that point to the extreme if I lived in South Africa in the 60s I should just accept what was being done to the majority by the minority whites.
By the way just clear up something else for Scunner who is now presumes he knows my state of mind I have nothing but love for Turkey and I enjoy living here. Like anywhere it has its faults and these can be frustrating at the time. It is my intention to eventually take out Turkish citizenship. You exercised your choice and ran away I have exercised my choice to stay but not be a dummy.
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Run away! You are pathetic, raise your game if you want a debate!
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Debate with someone who has a comment on everything Turkish from 2000 miles away.
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I run the place, I'm allowed a comment I think.
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Like a child if you dont like it I will take my ball away and not let you play.
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What on Earth are you talking about you idiot? What ball have I taken away? You are still posting you views, I am still posting my views. What ball has been taken away from you? Please explain that.
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15-30!
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Am I serving?
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No.
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It's all gone quiet over there :D
Same old story, a debate gets a bit interesting and someone spits the dummy and if I'm involved they claim I used my 'power' to take my ball home. Did I delete their posts, edit their posts, lock the topic or delete their membership? No, I argued back.
I don't live in Turkey so my opinion is less valid than theirs. Something I've encountered so many times over there. Someone who has been living there for 6 months is an expert, if the person they are talking to has only been there 3.
I lived there longer than Ovacikpeedoff has to date, but I don't anymore so I know nothing.
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What are you views on what should be done about the rubbish?
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Lazy expats with too much time on their hands should go out and sort it rather than bleating endlessly on computers.
No, I think the authorities should introduce huge fines and police it. That won't happen of course. The golden rule of buying in Turkey is that if your neighbour had 5 dogs barking all night when you bought, there's not a lot you can do about it when you move in. Not ideal but workable, I'd be reasonably happy with that.
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Here we go again the Scunner presumptions. Let me correct you on a few facts. I have actually been coming to Turkey for over 20 years and bought a property in 2003. I have lived here permanently for 3 years. I do not profess to be an expert on anything. My neighbors are predominately Turkish with whom I have excellent relationships with. I have bothered to go and try to learn Turkish. I admit I struggle with Turkish but I do try to speak the language out of respect for the country and the people. I have many Turkish friends and I am proud that they call me their friend.
Only twice I have given any advice on this forum. Once was on how council tax is calculated and the other was on bring a dog into the country. Both times my advice was correct.
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30-all
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Policing the dumping of rubbish is a good start but education about the environmental issues would maybe influence the thinking of people,that counts too.Children here will one day be the ones who set the standards in their country. Where are the rubbish tips here that are legal anyway? Look at Britain on some weekends and the amount of rubbish that is taken to them.
Friends who put their rubbish in the bins at the Ece Saray marina put the articles in different bins to recycle them, then the lorry comes along and chucks it all in together, what is the thinking behind that?
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Methinks Scunner's having one of his 'monthlies' ROFL!!
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
Here we go again the Scunner presumptions. Let me correct you on a few facts. I have actually been coming to Turkey for over 20 years and bought a property in 2003. I have lived here permanently for 3 years. I do not profess to be an expert on anything. My neighbors are predominately Turkish with whom I have excellent relationships with. I have bothered to go and try to learn Turkish. I admit I struggle with Turkish but I do try to speak the language out of respect for the country and the people. I have many Turkish friends and I am proud that they call me their friend.
Only twice I have given any advice on this forum. Once was on how council tax is calculated and the other was on bring a dog into the country. Both times my advice was correct.
What ball has been taken away from you? Please explain that.
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Originally posted by Scunner
It's all gone quiet over there :D
Same old story, a debate gets a bit interesting and someone spits the dummy and if I'm involved they claim I used my 'power' to take my ball home. Did I delete their posts, edit their posts, lock the topic or delete their membership? No, I argued back.
I don't live in Turkey so my opinion is less valid than theirs. Something I've encountered so many times over there. Someone who has been living there for 6 months is an expert, if the person they are talking to has only been there 3.
I lived there longer than Ovacikpeedoff has to date, but I don't anymore so I know nothing.
I think you are senile and do not remember what you actually post. I was replying to comments above about me being new to Turkey.
Now if you want to sit there trading insults all day that is fine by me. I would prefer to move on.
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You aren't making much sense.
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I don't live in Turkey so my opinion is less valid than theirs. Something I've encountered so many times over there. Someone who has been living there for 6 months is an expert, if the person they are talking to has only been there 3
You made the above comment about me.You accused me of being someone being someone who professes to know all and lived in the country for 6 month. I am correcting what you wrongly presumed.
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New Balls Please!
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Nice edit
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
You made the above comment about me.You accused me of being someone being someone who professes to know all and lived in the country for 6 month. I am correcting what you wrongly presumed.
Not at all, I read from your intro exactly how long you have lived in Turkey before posting. You moved 3 years ago. I was talking about people I have met in general who think they know it all after 6 months, not you at all. Wrong AGAIN!
Yes I have much to do today so rather than listen to people who come to my website and moan about litter, coach parking and just about everything else (including this website) I shall get on with things. You carry on living your self-declared "peed off" life and I'll carry on enjoying mine to the full :D
Now we must get back to the topic which I vaguely recall was a positive attempt to address issues facing boat tourism.
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Good to see you are not totally senile and have a vague memory.
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I wish you were (a vague memory)
Back on topic now please
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as always i am way behind reading this, but found it hilarious none the less. All that bickering over a load of old rubbish :D, very entertaining.
just out of interest though (and not wanting to start another dispute:P) but do they have public rubbish dumps in turkey (other than the forest or the seafront)? I dont live there, just a frequent visitor so not aware of these things.
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Turkey to me seems to be one of the very few countries i have been to that dont seem to recycle plastic bottles sitting fishing outside the flamingo last week there were 17 water bottles floating in the sea ,i managed to get only two out the others were to far to reach ,the Gypsies seem to take every thing out of the rubbish bins except them why no recycling very strange. ;)
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They don't stay long in the bins in Gunlukbasi Lance. I don't bother putting them in now when we're over, just place them in a seperate bag at the side.
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There was a recycling area at the back of the old wholesale veg market which has now been cleared I assume pending the sites proposed redevelopment. There were mountains of plastic bottles sorted there but don't know where/if they have relocated :)
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The original post , before the boys started spitting dummies, may be related to the soon to be implemented restrictions on discharge of grey and black water, anchoring, diving etc.
http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2009-11-11-4
This could impact not only on yachts but on all pleasure boats including the pleasure trips.