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General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Highlander on January 05, 2010, 22:18:14 PM

Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: Highlander on January 05, 2010, 22:18:14 PM
Apparently Local Council's are now saying that people should be doing more for themselves during the cold spell, like clearing the paths in front of their houses.

No problem lads - I'll be glad to - just as soon as you pay me back the money which I have already paid you to carry out such Work.

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES DON'T CON ME OUT OF MY MONEY. MUPPETS !!!!

Oh and by the way, I've been on the phone to Mrs H's 85 year old mother in Aberdeen and told her to get off her a@@e and get her path cleared.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: c1 on January 06, 2010, 00:45:06 AM
no chance of you getting a penny back, please bear in mind that 25% of the council taxes we all pay goes into their pension pot. and you can bet a pound to a penny that most of the people who will stay at home over this cold snap will be on tax payers payroll.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on January 06, 2010, 08:00:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by c1

no chance of you getting a penny back, please bear in mind that 25% of the council taxes we all pay goes into their pension pot. and you can bet a pound to a penny that most of the people who will stay at home over this cold snap will be on tax payers payroll.



We live one third of a mile up a farm lane, and it's impossible to leave a bin at the end of the road.  When we moved to this house in 1983 the council gave us black bin bags and told us to leave the rubbish at the end of the road for pick-up by the bin men.  Unfortunately, seagulls etc., started to break open the bags, and as there are houses at the end of the road and the residents complained to us, my husband decided to take our rubbish to the local dump every Saturday morning.
Last year I contacted the council and asked could they reduce our Council Tax, which included rubbish removal.  I explained we had never used this service we were being charged for.   I was told by the Council that they could not reduce our Council Tax as the rubbish removal cost very little, and most of the tax was for the schools!![:(!]:(:-\
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: Highlander on January 06, 2010, 12:55:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by c1

25% of the council taxes we all pay goes into their pension pot



TELL ME ABOUT IT:(
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: laffa on January 07, 2010, 00:46:45 AM
Well the kids here have taken them at there word, they are all sliding down the hills with the lids off the wheelie bins, bit like the old steerin carts, (dont worry they will put them back) well I will anyway. ;)
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: heather07 on January 07, 2010, 01:54:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by c1

 and you can bet a pound to a penny that most of the people who will stay at home over this cold snap will be on tax payers payroll.



And will not be paid.  We have been informed that if we are off it comes off our flexi which is time we have collected by doing more hours than our contract.  The reason we do more hours is to cover the demands for the service.  IE in my case trying to get people out of hospital.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: heather07 on January 07, 2010, 01:57:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by c1

 and you can bet a pound to a penny that most of the people who will stay at home over this cold snap will be on tax payers payroll.



And will not be paid.  We have been informed that if we are off it comes off our flexi which is time we have collected by doing more hours than our contract.  The reason we do more hours is to cover the demands for the service.  IE. in my case trying to get people out of hospital.   If we have not got any flexi lying we will have to make it up .  I am lucky I have managed to get into work.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: nichola on January 07, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
Heather

I should tell your colleagues who didn't make it to work to take this up with their Union - they can't do that.

It is not worth the risk to your life or the lives of others to travel in such unsafe conditions.

Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: nichola on January 07, 2010, 13:07:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by c1

no chance of you getting a penny back, please bear in mind that 25% of the council taxes we all pay goes into their pension pot. and you can bet a pound to a penny that most of the people who will stay at home over this cold snap will be on tax payers payroll.



Shouldn't we be glad that some people still get a decent Pension and that some employers will pay people their wages if they can't get to work in such dreadful conditions.

There are thousands of dedicated people that work in the public services and I for one am happy that some of my taxes (when I worked in the UK) went to pay people a decent wage (and benefits when they can't find work).

Everyone deserves the right to decent pay and conditions of service and that includes a decent Pension.

Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: Highlander on January 07, 2010, 16:57:10 PM
Nichola - can I ask if, when you were working in the UK, you would have been happy for some of your taxes to be paid into my pension fund.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: nichola on January 07, 2010, 18:12:31 PM
I have never resented paying taxes; if that is where a portion of my taxes went or would go then the answer is Yes.

Taxpayers money is used to fund wages and related terms and conditions of service for those that work in public services - this includes Pensions I guess.

There are lots of things that I would rather my taxes weren't spent on; I'd much rather see people get a decent Pension to live on in their old age, but hey we can't pick and choose...

Of course I would rather not pay into your own private Personal Pension Plan :D I'd rather you had an employer that paid you a good wage and shared the burden of contributions in its Employee Pension Scheme.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: lynne on January 07, 2010, 18:50:19 PM
I work for Birmingham City Council and have been there all week through the snow and ice, sorting out child care with schools shut, and as Heather says, those taking time off will take it from their flexi or have unpaid leave.  Every member of our office staff have been in work despite the difficulties.

My pension scheme is a joke.  I will get a far better pay out from my previous employer, a bank, to which I didn't contribute a penny and which was funded totally by customers.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: Colwyn on January 07, 2010, 19:06:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Highlander

Apparently Local Council's are now saying that people should be doing more for themselves during the cold spell, like clearing the paths in front of their houses.


What? You mean like everybody did, without being asked, when I was a lad? And everyone looked out for their older neighbours by clearing their paths?

Absurd! People today would just moan about it! ... Except, that is, for my younger next door neighbour who cleared our path just before I was going out to do it myself. Cheers, mate.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: heather07 on January 07, 2010, 20:11:15 PM
Well said Colwyn.

The council are taking a risk telling folk to clear paths.  They could get sued by someone getting hurt taking their advice.
Title: Councils tell people to help themselves
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on January 07, 2010, 23:12:37 PM
Apparently, in France the law demands that everyone clear the path in front of their own house and/or business.