Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: sting on February 16, 2010, 18:07:15 PM
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Any sign of this site being allowed in the near future?If Turkey want EU membership ,not helpful banning it.
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Why would banning youtube make any difference to EU membership [?]
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I can't imagine it being included in a political party manifesto.
Then again it is Turkey ;)
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If allowing youtube is to be one of the criteria for Turkey's admission to the EU, then they and us are surely doomed:(
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I know it may sound ridiculous but one one of the concerns raised by the EU is the number of internet sites that have been banned by the Turkish government.
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so what happens if you try and get on youtube then ?
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You are breaking the law.
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If you go directly to the site you get a message from the Turkish government saying access is not permitted. There are of course many workarounds if you really want to get to it.
I find myself torn on this one and I'm sure 99% of Brits think it is blinkered and has no place in the modern World - but let me try to change your view...
Obviously free speech and access to information is ideal and what everyone should want but the internet brings headaches for all governments, not just the Turkish one. It is illegal to insult Ataturk in Turkey and that is understandable. Insults within the borders would be dealt with, but now insults written from outside Turkey became accessible from inside. It is difficult to know how to deal with that. If anti-British 'clerics' in the UK targeted Churchill as their hate figure, the British government would act to prevent it.
What happened on YouTube was any video about Turkey was a target for anti-Turkish and anti-Ataturk racist taunts. I read quite a few myself. Even in one, about a promising young Turkish footballer of about 13 years of age, I read rants from Greek folk aimed at Ataturk and even the promise to return to reclaim Constantinople. This was a young lad showing some fancy flicks and ball control! In the interests of balance, the return fire was none too pleasant either.
Now, if we allowed people to write things like that on CBF, and the Turkish government decided to block us, I'm sure there would be a lot of sympathy for taking that action, and we would be blamed for allowing it to happen. The truth is, we don't but YouTube did - with all their billions of pounds, the site remained totally unmoderated and that signals that racist attacks in innocent threads are permitted and allowed to stay pretty much forever.
Sadly, ignoring that content is wrong in my opinion. As YouTube ignored all calls to moderate the content of comments on their website, I can't see what else the Turkish government could do to protect it's laws.
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i was only interested from a technical point of view, I am presuming the isp must block it through their proxy or is it just a simple dns change ? I had to endure the program Pier's Morgan did on China the other week, and they have pretty much the same thing, although most of the younger element know how to get around it.
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Originally posted by ukchris
i was only interested from a technical point of view
Very good. I was answering Sting ;)
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I'm undecided about this one. On the one hand I see what Scunner is saying and cannot disagree. The whole issue of censureship of the internet and the worlds governments inability/unwillingness to moderate is a tricky one. We would all like to see the offensive material banned or at least monitored but how and who decides what is and what isn't acceptable? Do you entrust Hugh Heffner or Mary Whitehouse?
If someone has a political view and wishes to criticise their government then it is in the interests of democracy that right is protected. The Taliban for example would ban just about everything except their own political ramblings.
Like most things a sensible balance is required and the internet should be policed to ensure both respect and decency but who decides that?
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Originally posted by Scunner
If anti-British 'clerics' in the UK targeted Churchill as their hate figure, the British government would act to prevent it.
Would it? I am not sure that it would or could. And you needn't rely upon anti-British clerics to hate Churchill; there are plenty of old South Wales trade unionists who condemn the man for sending in British troops against striking Welsh miners when he was Home Secretary.
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Hurriedly cobbled together laws can easily be put in place when it comes to requiring new powers to deal with people involving themselves with anti-British preaching. Especially with an election so close and immigration being a key issue with voters.
As for the Welsh, they moan about everyone and everything so why are you singling Churchill out ;)
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Originally posted by Piscoe
Do you entrust Hugh Heffner or Mary Whitehouse?
No, but how about giving Amy Whinehouse a go ? ;)
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Originally posted by Piscoe
Like most things a sensible balance is required and the internet should be policed to ensure both respect and decency but who decides that?
In this instance as it is the showing of youtube in Turkey we are discussing-The Turkish government/authorities.