Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Old Daffodil on February 18, 2010, 20:04:27 PM
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We have friends researching what is the best form of heating for them to have in their house they are going to build. What do you think is the best for Uzumlu area?
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Log burner with back boiler that heats the water and radiators..
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Agreed :)
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There are a number of systems available. We are running 8 radiators in a 4 bed villa on 3 floors with an automatic coal fired boiler (hopper fed.) The hopper holds sufficient coal to run for 3 to 4 days. The ash needs emptying every day. The running cost is approx 1400TL over the winter. This is less than 1 bag of Super Enerji (7000Kj)per day at a 11.5TL per bag. The boiler is on 24 hours a day. The temperature in the whole of the villa is 20 deg C plus. There are different sizes of this type of boiler to suit different applications. We have the second size boiler in the range. The smallest boiler would have been sufficient for our needs. The reason for choosing a bigger boiler is that it runs at the lowest output and is cheaper to run than running the smaller boiler at its highest output. If your friends wish to see our system they are more than welcome.
Sometimes the cheapest option is not the most convenient.
There are underfloor heating sytems that heat water which is fed through pipes under the floor. Gas or coal can be used to heat the water. We do not know the running costs of these systems. A good place to go for advice and costs is Alarko in Tasyaka.
We have friends in Nif-Apercik who have the underfloor heating using gas. If needed we can try to find out their running costs.
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Heat control is very important. Rad valves or zone valves should be installed, depending on system selected, thermostatically controlled are the best way to achieve this. The heat source also requires tight temperature control for efficiency.
I would also advise on whatever system is chosen that it should be fitted with an UPS, which will maintain the pumps fans etc during power cuts.
We have a coal fired boiler (Demi Docum) located outside, which will burn a mix of logs and coal, not hopper fed, which supplies heat to all of the house. Being outside this keeps dust and smell to a minimum. Requires emptying once a day, feeding three times a day on cold days. Cleaning once a week, about 1/2 hours work.
We have a very warm house every room is set to the desired temperature.
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For a new build, underfloor heating will be the most economic, the water passing through the heating system only has to be heated to somewhere between 20 and 25 degrees, depending how warm you want to be, instead of trying to heat radiators upwards of 40 degrees. The heat from the underfloor heating means nice warm floors and the heat rises so you have an even heat throughout the room and no raidiators on show in the summer (or winter for that matter).
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God help you if you spring a leak in your underfloor heating pipes!:(
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
For a new build, underfloor heating will be the most economic, the water passing through the heating system only has to be heated to somewhere between 20 and 25 degrees, depending how warm you want to be, instead of trying to heat radiators upwards of 40 degrees. The heat from the underfloor heating means nice warm floors and the heat rises so you have an even heat throughout the room and no raidiators on show in the summer (or winter for that matter).
Agree the best heating is under floor either wet system or electric.
Both rely on good practice during installation. that may be a problem out here, providing the work is carried out by a competent contractor you should be OK???? Insulation to the property should be considered a priority on a new build, for energy saving both summer and winter.
Our property is thermal block construction not tula which does help. We have also 6"rock wool insulation installed to all ceilings.
The extra cost will be worth it as the savings both summer and winter will soon be paid back on the energy saved.
Getting a Turkish builder to understand may be the difficulty as they will be more concerned regarding profit on the build, rather than running costs.
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Originally posted by C-E
There are a number of systems available. We are running 8 radiators in a 4 bed villa on 3 floors with an automatic coal fired boiler (hopper fed.) The hopper holds sufficient coal to run for 3 to 4 days. The ash needs emptying every day. The running cost is approx 1400TL over the winter. This is less than 1 bag of Super Enerji (7000Kj)per day at a 11.5TL per bag. The boiler is on 24 hours a day. The temperature in the whole of the villa is 20 deg C plus. There are different sizes of this type of boiler to suit different applications. We have the second size boiler in the range. The smallest boiler would have been sufficient for our needs. The reason for choosing a bigger boiler is that it runs at the lowest output and is cheaper to run than running the smaller boiler at its highest output. If your friends wish to see our system they are more than welcome.
Sometimes the cheapest option is not the most convenient.
There are underfloor heating sytems that heat water which is fed through pipes under the floor. Gas or coal can be used to heat the water. We do not know the running costs of these systems. A good place to go for advice and costs is Alarko in Tasyaka.
We have friends in Nif-Apercik who have the underfloor heating using gas. If needed we can try to find out their running costs.
I pay no more than 9ytl per bag for super carbon, I think you are paying well over the odds. 8ytl if you buy in the summer????/
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Thank you for all the information. :D
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Hi hamilton, it depends on the size of the bag 20kg or 25kg, also the size of the coal. Ours is the size of anthracite beans (1/2 inch) and 25kg bags delivered and stacked.
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Also hamilton super carbon comes in several different sizes from large coals down to the size that we use in our hopper. The larger the coal size the cheaper the price.
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Originally posted by C-E
Also hamilton super carbon comes in several different sizes from large coals down to the size that we use in our hopper. The larger the coal size the cheaper the price.
Sorry C-E I was assuming 20kg bags, you seem to have a good deal.
regards
Tony
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My advice from having lived in Uzumlu for 3.5 years is to take up the kind offers on here and see what others have done. Have a good look round and ALWAYS go for a company that others have used and are happy to recommend. Do NOT just walk into a shop/builder and order without thorogh checks first and do NOT give big deposit! Hope this helps.
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If as you say it is a new build you should be looking at a ground or air source heat pump with under floor heating. There should be no problem with leaks as the pipes are one continuous loop and the manifold is above ground.
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We can recommend Alarko in Tasyaka. We shopped around when we had our villa built (3yrs ago)went to many shops that do central heating systems but found Alarko in Tasyaka very helpful, good value for money etc. Installation was ex and there back up service second to none.
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I fully agree with Graham, a heat pump with solar is a better answer. The most VITAL part is having the right thermal lagging; in UK there are only a handful of new houses at this level. As far as I know, there are no properties in the Fethiye region at this level. 8)
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I wouldn't go for a solar heating system...what happens when we see no sun for days on end.
I know someone, in Uzumlu, who has had the ground source well/underfloor heating installed and at the correct depth it gives you 15-17 degrees constant temperature, I think.
He's Andyboy on this forum so might be worth contacting him for more info.
Fi