Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum => Topic started by: tribalelder on March 18, 2010, 20:39:49 PM
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Well it seems this one has at last come true.......noticed today that the old "Tatlitest Restaurant" that is being refurbished or should I say rebuilt now displays a MacDonalds flag outside
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Noooooooo!!! :-\
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Are they goin' large ?
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Hooray, about time ;)
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Oh dear!! :(
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Ditto :-\
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When my children were younger there were never McD's abroad.
My 1st trip to Turkey was to Icmeler 16 years ago, we went to Marmaris for the afternoon, and guess what?
Yes-a McDonalds!! My kiddies sulked because there was no way I was letting them have any!
They soon got over it though when we went back and had tea in authentic Turkish with the 'puffa' garlic bread!! :)
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Looks like the noes have it so far!
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It's ok to have an addidas, Billabong, Quicksilver -all globlal brands but not a Mcdonalds or a Burger King? I don't get it?
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I, for one, am very happy about it. Although I will not be a regular customer (maybe twice a year as a special treat for my boys), I feel a McDonalds, along with the Burger King we already have, are good for the area, mainly due to the fact that it will provide year round, regularly paid work for some of the locals.
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And nobody ever considers that the turks might want these outlets, after all it is their country. How would you feel if there were no macd's, burgerking, kentucky fried, chinese, indian, kebabs, etc etc in the UK, only roast beef and yorkshires allowed, you are all trying to impose what you think the turks should have, are they not entitled to choices. As I said it is their country.
Oh!! and Burgerking has done very well during the winter months without the tourists, funny enough, it is full of turks every day.
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I can't understand the fuss about the Mc Donald's! If you don't like it, don't go there!
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
And nobody ever considers that the turks might want these outlets, after all it is their country. How would you feel if there were no macd's, burgerking, kentucky fried, chinese, indian, kebabs, etc etc in the UK, only roast beef and yorkshires allowed, you are all trying to impose what you think the turks should have, are they not entitled to choices. As I said it is their country.
Oh!! and Burgerking has done very well during the winter months without the tourists, funny enough, it is full of turks every day.
100% agree with you Baz. I know lots of Turkish people who can't wait for McDonalds to open:D
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
And nobody ever considers that the turks might want these outlets, after all it is their country. How would you feel if there were no macd's, burgerking, kentucky fried, chinese, indian, kebabs, etc etc in the UK, only roast beef and yorkshires allowed, you are all trying to impose what you think the turks should have, are they not entitled to choices. As I said it is their country.
Oh!! and Burgerking has done very well during the winter months without the tourists, funny enough, it is full of turks every day.
I don't think there is any comparison with going to an Authentic Indian or Chinese Restaurant to have a meal and going to an American fast food joint.
In my humble opinion they are souless places with indifferent food. Children and some adults are hypnotised by advertisements that it's cool to eat in them. I think the worry is they are like a rash they soon spread and make an original holiday resort look like all the others. How would we feel if a chain of Burgerkings's KFC's and MacD's opened along the seafront at Calis? I think this is the worry for us in the U.K. we love coming to Calis because it's different and unspoilt by Western fast food. Perhaps that is selfish of us and perhaps the Turks love America fast food. However, we put a lot of money into the Turkish economy in the Fethiye area, so perhaps we can be allowed to have an opinion as to what happens in our favourite place?
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I don't really think putting money into a foreign economy does afford you an opinion on whether there should be a McDonalds! You are entitled to an opinion, of course you are - but I don't think it should be allowed to count for anything locally. Better to have opinions on things that matter like the two dolphins in a bath freak show up the hill, things that really matter and things that local people and adopted cousins can stand firmly together on.
Do you know, I've read hundreds of posts for and against this and Burger King similarly over the last 6 years, and in all that time I have never heard a Turk say he/she didn't want one in town. Not once. I genuinely believe you shouldn't stand in the way of what the people want. I thought the same in Bedfordshire when various immigrant groups sought to change very British things and I don't change just because I am now effectively the outsider.
By the way, yes I'd love to see a Burger King on Calis seafront. Anything that gives competition should raise overall standards, and that would be great.
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I would miss the 1TL cornets from Burger King.lol.
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i will pop in for the odd big mac if i have the need for one:D
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Originally posted by puma
i will pop in for the odd big mac if i have the need for one:D
errr where does that fit in with the diet:D
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However, we put a lot of money into the Turkish economy in the Fethiye area, so perhaps we can be allowed to have an opinion as to what happens in our favourite place?
Yes, let the tourist decide, the visitors to UK should be able to do the same. Another Alton Towers in the Tower of London would be good, give the kids something to do. After all the tourists put a lot of money into the economy. What a load of cr*p.
I would think I put more in to the Turkish economy than a tourist, because I live here, but I am happy to let the Turks open shops that they want in their country.
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I also do not necessarily agree with the spread of the global corporate "virus" of the McDonalds chain, but things change and I guess we have to accept that and look to the positives, though we should all have the freedom of speech to comment.
Must agree however with Scunner's comment about putting things into perspective with the comparison with opening of a restaurant and the plight of 2 healthy mammals to be kept in large bath.
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I did not say let the tourists decide. I said can we be allowed to have an opinion?
The Turks must do want they want, and we must decide where we want to holiday and eventually where we want to retire.
And Scunner.
Of course the Turks want MacDonalds, we did in this country too years ago, when
we we naive enought to want to copy American culture.
On your premiss of us not having an opinion on whether the Turks have a McDonalds, then perhaps we should not interfere with the Turkish people who are installing a swimming pool for two helpless dolphins? So should the opinon of all those Brits like me who have
signed the petitions ... as you say..."Count for anything locally?"
If an American fast food place opened on the seafront, it would not be long before every other place was the same. The prom would be ruined, however, look on the bright side
you would get the business from people deciding to sell their holiday homes and look for somewhere less commercialised to spend their time.
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Total nonsense Jacqui!
You don't often read what people say - I SAID that we should support the locals on the subject of the dolphins. This is because they don't want them and we can add weight which might just help. Moaning about a burger bar that nobody in the indigenous population is against will only irritate your hosts. Surely you can see that!!!
Where in the World did a McDonalds open and result in every other restaurant becoming the same? Any example please. Has it happened in Fethiye with the arrival of Burger King? Should I be looking for the McMegri or Ocakburger? Of course not.
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Authentic resturant ? all do chinese, indian, mexican, turkish, from the same kitchen. McD will add a choice if the people don't go it will go bust and by the people I mean locals, not just the tourists.
Remember we are guests and if we want to be shown respect we must resepect the locals and their wishes it is after all their country.
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That's another good point Charles - how many 'authentic' Turkish restaurants are there now on Calis seafront? I'd estimate (entirely authentic) around none.
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You do not have to eat McDonalds or Burger Kings the choice is yours.Its the mess thats left behind that really pees me off.Especially in UK.
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Mercury - the 1 lira cornets (we call them cones in Lancashire) but as usual I know what you mean - but anyway - they are my real favourite treat when we are in town - good quality - great price.
We agree again!!!!! :D
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Originally posted by Ian
Mercury - the 1 lira cornets (we call them cones in Lancashire) but as usual I know what you mean - but anyway - they are my real favourite treat when we are in town - good quality - great price.
We agree again!!!!! :D
I have to agree as well!! only trouble is.............One is never enough LOL:D
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loads of Maccyd's and Burger Kings in Istanbul, as well as lots of Starbucks. Years ago I would have been in the oh no brigade as I loved Turkey as it was and selfishly didnt ever want it to change. But people are entitled to choice and having a Mc Donalds isnt really any different to having Chinese, Italian & Indian.
Couldnt find any Chinese and Indian in Istanbul and was to be honest getting bored of lamb kebab, chicken kebab,shish kebab, cat kebab etc......and had real cravings for something different
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We went to Burgerking last year when we were in Fethiye, and im not ashamed to say we did. I throughly enjoyed it. I love Turkish food, but I am also a bit of a junk food addict, and towards the end of our hols we hot footed it there to feed my addiction :D and i was pleasantly surprised by the price. I just hope the MacD's thats opening will not be the same extortionate prices as at Dalaman and stay on par like BK did ;)
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Slightly off topic, but I wonder how many who are against the opening of a MacDonalds are customers of any local Pork shops.
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Whether you think it's right or wrong, it was always inevitable.
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Can you let me know where approx MacDonalds will be as I have no idea where the Tatlitest Restaurant used to be, that was quoted as the new site at the start of this thread.
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Tatlitest was at the other side of the road to where the 90 degree corner of the harbour is. Between the sea and Tuesday market.
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Some people like McDonalds. Some don't. Some would prefer it not to be in our part of Turkey, some disagree. Some say you don't have to go into McDonalds if you don't like it, -that's true. Some say its 'progress'. We all have different opinions, that's life. Yes it may have been inevitable, but I still think it's a shame.
But this has been discussed before -re Burger King...
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Exactly. I think it started to go downhill after I left :D
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My concern is for the small private individual donner kebab shops, who cannot hope to compete with the financial backing/marketing of these chains.
Just observe the school children now, where they have fresh meat/bread/salad followed by ayran. Then compare it with Macs/Burger King..burgers/Chips and pop.
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DaveG's post was the most pertinent of all the comments so far and should possibly be the swansong of this topic, saying that we can see from our own country the effect of McD's/BKing's marketing of crap/junk food(food is possibly a mis-description)with hindsight should our elders have allowed this type of food factory to gain a foothold in the UK???
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You can't walk past a McDonalds/Burger King/ KFC etc etc these days without being forced to go in there by one of their "chuckers-in" can you? ;)
We all have a choice. In fact, where and what they eat is one of the few things that most people can still freely choose.
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Originally posted by peter16
with hindsight should our elders have allowed this type of food factory to gain a foothold in the UK???
Or should our forefathers have taken the decision on what we are allowed to eat away from us? I hope not to see you complaining in any "nanny state" topics Peter ;)
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it doesn't really matter if you are for or against it/its going to happen anyway!
having said that. where else can you read a good argument over a burger except this forum// lol
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Don't know why people get so wound up about McDonalds, there are loads of Pizza Pizza stores, Pizza Tomato etc and they aren't exactly nice, healthy, authentic Turkish restaurants.
Their burgers are a lot nicer than the thin cardboard like ones that most cafes/ restaurants sell.
And if you are talking about the place starting to look tacky then look no further than the new pork shop near Tansas, with its giant cartoon pig in the window and Pork Shop written in Neon lights :)
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Well, this has certainly stoked up a few different opinions .Personally, Id rather eat cardbord than a McDonalds. But one thing is absolutely sure. When a global brand wants to open a new outlet, they don't take risks. McDonalds would have done a lot of market research on the area.If the local population were or are for/against this venture,it won't take long to find out, believe me. If the local people don't object, I really can't see why we should !!!.
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I think we can still be disappointed that out little piece of heaven will begin to look like Bodrum or Marbella. We chose this area BECAUSE these joints weren't here. Sure, we can't stop it but we can still be saddened by this development.
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I didn't choose the area because those places weren't there.
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Yes but I did, and so did others.
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I chose it despite the fact they weren't there ;)
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Flippin eck its only a MaccyD :D:D
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Will they sell their icecream made from pig fat in Turkey? And will they tell their Turkish customers??
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But Rindaloo, you live in Uzumlu, there isn't going to be a McD's there, so no different to there being one in say Marmaris for you.:D:D
Mind you I think Uzumlu has been spoilt by all the foriegners coming in and building new villas, doesn't fit in with the feel of the village, much too modern.: :)
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When were you last there Baz?
(http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/mcuzumlu.jpg)
:D
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Deja-vu!
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Recycled yes. I'm doing my bit for the environment :D
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Good man!
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McD's milkshakes are made from lard, yummy!!!
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I'm always up for a Maccy D, Turkish food is fine for a few days at a time but always room for a burger.:D
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I get the impression that quite a few people like McDonalds. I decided that based on a number of factors, one being their 31,000 restaurants and another being their 47 million customers daily :D
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And there's me thinking they were popular, how wrong could I be:D:D ;)
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Over the last 30 years we, the wife and I, and our son when he was with us, came to enjoy a Mac Cheeseburger once a month.
Why, not because, for me, it was great but because it was consistant.
Just now and again I didn't want to battle over maybe it was to spicy, or bad qauality, I just wanted something that tasted the same .
Bad policy, maybe, but the other half does it here in Doha to, just once a month but she enjoys it.
So who am I to say no.
Steve
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We all know how popular fast food is, you only have to look at childhood obesity which
is out of control in both American and the U.K.
As there are no herds of cattle in the area, where will all the beef come for the burgers?
I did read on this website a while ago that beef was being imported from China.
I suppose the reason why burgers in places around Calis are thin is the cost of
beef, which seems to be more expensive than other meats due to the lack of beef cattle.
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I read on this website that all meat is becoming expensive in Turkey at the moment.
Steve
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
As there are no herds of cattle in the area, where will all the beef come for the burgers?
There aren't many herds of cattle in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara, London, New York, Paris etc either, but they still manage to get beefburgers OK. :D ;):D
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Excuse me, but I thought it was common knowledge that the beef and other components of the these burgers rarely ever come from the host country.
Of course, as Turkey is very much Islamic, the meat has to be Halal, but this does not preclude the fact that, as in the case of the Middle East, all the beef comes from the UAE. I suspect that this will be the case here as well.
Every Continent will have its primary supplier of burgers, you will note I do not say "beef" as it is merely one componenent of the whole.
Once, when I was in the Sultanate of Oman, in a city called Salalah, I queried the source of my KFC, the manager admitted that most had been flown in from the UAE.
So, don't think that your McDonald beef is local. As "local" goes, this can be anywhere in the world.
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Think about it...they do indeed.:D
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Originally posted by KKOB
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
As there are no herds of cattle in the area, where will all the beef come for the burgers?
There aren't many herds of cattle in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara, London, New York, Paris etc either, but they still manage to get beefburgers OK. :D ;):D
There is plenty of Beef in the U.K. and I make sure I always buy Scottish Beef, the best in the world. To prove it we just had two Scottish steaks for dinner....Lovely.
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I always thought Mc Donalds were scottish?...... Mc Donald wheres yer trozers:D
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Trozers?
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Never heard of trozers either.
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I always thought Mc Donalds were scottish?...... Mc Donald wheres yer trozers
Might be an alternative version of the Andy Stewart song Donald wheres your troosers.:D
David
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i wish i could get hold of some aberdeen angus steaks out here/ nothing here to compare!
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Originally posted by stuart
i wish i could get hold of some aberdeen angus steaks out here/ nothing here to compare!
Stuart go and have a steak at Buffallo in Fethiye the best I have had for a long time
mark
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It's the best you will have had for some time Mark. Hope you savoured every mounthful. How long are you going for??? Have a good journey. Let us know the sex. (of the baby that is). Love to you and Carol. Come back soon. We need you. xxxxx
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I can't understand why all "Calis Lovers" are getting so uppity. The McDonalds is located in Fethiye:D
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when is kfc going to be opened? i am waiting for that one.. yummy yummy
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Ytokgoz, saw a photo years ago of lady holding up a battered and fried chicken head, bought at kfc. Haven't eaten there since.
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
How would you feel if there were no macd's, burgerking, kentucky fried, chinese, indian, kebabs, etc etc in the UK,
Hungry? ;)
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:D Can someone post as soon is it open its worth the hours drive and tunnel charge for a BIG BIG MAC :D