Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Scunner on April 28, 2010, 22:48:00 PM
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On a day when Gordon Brown made a gaff, I was impressed to read about a party with real, shiny new policies to offer.
The Monster Raving Looney Party manifesto is full of unique and fresh policies, much different to the same old boring topics of the three main parties. As an example, they propose to introduce a 99p coin - "to cut down on change".
Inspired :)
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VG Scunner.
Incidently, I've been wondering why the CBF seems to have been an Election Free Zone. I would have been interested to hear peoples' views.
Or is that sad.
No need to answer that really:(
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Originally posted by Highlander
VG Scunner.
Incidently, I've been wondering why the CBF seems to have been an Election Free Zone. I would have been interested to hear peoples' views.
Or is that sad.
No need to answer that really:(
Escapism comes to mind reading your post H?
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Religion and politics - two areas that always provoke arguments but never solutions. Steer well clear I say ;-)
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Haven't even turned the news on since the election was announced. None of them can lie straight in bed anyway!!
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Originally posted by stoop
Religion and politics - two areas that always provoke arguments but never solutions. Steer well clear I say ;-)
That's probably 100% correct Stoop but might have been an interesting thread if everyone had kept calm.
On the other hand, there maybe more important issues to be resolved - like "how many sleeps" (oh how I hate that phrase) is it till I'm in Calis.
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Originally posted by stoop
Religion and politics - two areas that always provoke arguments but never solutions. Steer well clear I say ;-)
That's probably 100% correct Stoop but might have been an interesting thread if everyone had kept calm.
On the other hand, there maybe more important issues to be resolved - like "how many sleeps" (oh how I hate that phrase) is it till I'm in Calis.
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I am a traditional Labour voter but am more anti-Tory than pro-Labour. To keep Cameron out this time it looks like I'll have to vote SNP as Labour haven't a hope here.
I had a strange feeling tonight, that the party closest to my actual views is now UKIP, which might be worrying for me.
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Originally posted by Scunner
I am a traditional Labour voter but am more anti-Tory than pro-Labour. To keep Cameron out this time it looks like I'll have to vote SNP as Labour haven't a hope here.
I had a strange feeling tonight, that the party closest to my actual views is now UKIP, which might be worrying for me.
I watched the broadcast after the news and agreed with the points they made but they are all staged points! To little to late from them to have any clout as i dont think many people know what they are really about?
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Same here scunner ukip
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I've had a hectic day what with getting cup final tickets, flags etc and having to deal with more than the usual quota of a**h*les at work, but I did hear that the FTSE had plummeted due to the Greek "crisis" and I thought to myself what is the point of voting in my country's election :o.
PS I know the answer by the way :)
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Vote UKIP and we can leave the EU to melt. And build more prisons so life can mean life. What I've been saying for years :)
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But in the future that would mean that I wouldn't get all the compensation for the ash cloud fiasco that I think I might have got as a member of the EU. ;)
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In future we can make our own ash clouds and send them Iceland's way
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Too late for me after a hard day I'm afraid, but I would leave with one thought.
I plan to vote for a man who is from the area in which I live, understands the pyshicy (?) of the local people, who, I believe, has a genuine desire to help his local constituents and whom I think is basically a good, honest guy
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Originally posted by Highlander
Too late for me after a hard day I'm afraid, but I would leave with one thought.
I plan to vote for a man who is from the area in which I live, understands the pyshicy (?) of the local people, who, I believe, has a genuine desire to help his local constituents and whom I think is basically a good, honest guy
Compared to Brown Must be Osama Bin Laden
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I looked on vote match http://www.votematch.org.uk/ as I was confused by the whole thing. It suggested UKIP matched my views which I was gobsmacked about. It's quite a good website it asks you questions (the type you have a strong opinion on ) and then looks at youur response and indicates which party most closely matches your responses.
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billy connely was right when he said you shouldnt vote it only encourages them!
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Democracy is rich, say what you like on forums like this and face no consequences.
Never mind your allegiances, exercise your vote, UKIP you must be joking!
Watch this space for a reaction; I just assume everyone thinks the same as me, bit like China really!
Kevin
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Since 1999 Alex Salmond represented us in Banff & Buchan. He is also the First Minister for Scotland. The road from Peterhead (Europe's biggest white fish port) and Aberdeen (the Oil Capital of European) is mostly a single road, which is really hard to believe. There are two small pieces of the 26 mile stretch that are dual carriageway, get stuck behind a tractor or one of the hundreds of lorries using the road and you can be slowed down for miles. Did Alex Salmond do anything about this road? Guess?
Glen Craft a disabled factory workshop that produced furniture in Aberdeen was on the brink of closing last year and the spokesman who was interviewed on T.V. asked where was Mr Salmond and why did he not help? The Factory closed and it was a very sad day with all the disabled workers loosing there jobs, however, the good news is an Oil Company stepped in and financed the factory to open again. It opened this week and guess who was there with the workers and giving his opinions to the T.V. well of course, it was Mr Salmond.
Mr Salmond managed to raise £50,000 to get a court action so he could be on T.V. with the big three... He lost, what a waste of money that was.
We had a very bad experience some years ago when there was a great deal of trouble at our local village school involving a teacher. A group of us parents went to visit Mr Salmond and told him of all the problems. He listened to us all and then promised to help. He did nothing and 8 children left the school which only had 21 pupils, the eight children joined a school 3 miles away it was a disaster for the school and the children, at a later date the teacher was put to a desk job in Aberdeen.
If anyone has seen the Trawlermen it may interest you do know that Jimmy Buchan is standing for the Conservatives in Banff & Buchan.
I don't know whether it's better disregard politics and parties and to vote for the local person standing who is interested in his constituency. Who knows?
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There should be a day, just one day, which should be declared as open season on politicians.
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May 6th ?
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UKIP have actually come out and told voters NOT to vote for them in some areas as it will simply let Labour back in.
You have been warned!
The only way to get shut of this horrible unelected PM and his party is to vote for the Conservatives.
For what it's worth I think they are all shysters BUT we HAVE to get rid of Brown and his cronies before they take us even further down the path to another Greek tragedy.
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Originally posted by stoop
Religion and politics - two areas that always provoke arguments but never solutions. Steer well clear I say ;-)
you changed your tune :D
Before anyone has a go at me I am not a Labour supporter, I indeed voted for Maggie when I was a coalface worker.
I look at each party on their merits at the time. This is my veiw, I have decided this time it is Labour for me, after Gordon Brown did the decent thing and apologised in person Gillian whats a name. I really believe he is a decent chap and the Greek situation is real proof it is the wrong time to take money out of the economy.
Look back over the years
Minimum wage
waiting lists down to a few weeks for operations and to see specialists.
Fuel allowances for the eldeley ( my late mother told me she had never been so well off as a pensioner as in the last few years with fuel allowances etc)
I know myself I have been able to retire at 50 because I worked hard and saved, I will never know if the same would have been under a Tory goverment.
When people have stopped admiring Nick Cleggs smoothe style they need to look at his manifesto.
I don't know a lot about politics I watch a lot of news and I listen to people in debates, my honest opinion is at this time Gordon Brown is the man to carry on. Remeber when you vote you are voting for your local MP.
Mine is a Lib Dem who had to repay £9,950 back in expenses and do a written apology to the house.
Mark
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I agree Labour for me
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A QUESTION FOR ALL
All you have to do is answer honestly
Q: Have you ever had a conversation with someone where you showed respect and courtesy to the person, only to get into your car/away from them and call them a to55er :D
Ok maybe not that word specifically lol
But have you ever done that?
Answer 1:
Yes, regularly
Signed
Scunner
NEXT?
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Me too, My sitting MP is Lib Dem and one of the good guys, my area is a sea of yellow posters with labour having no hope of taking the seat,
so for the first time in my life I will be voting Lib Dem, to keep the Tory's at bay.
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Scunner, often. ;)
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Funny how no one ever mentions when the Tory party invented unelected Prime Ministers!!!!!
and now all of a sudden..its the Labour Party at fault.
The Tories Voted out Maggie Thatcher... no one asked for an election then.
I think Shake the country..... neither of the two big parties deserve a vote.... give someone else a chance.
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Both parties have run the country for generations, and in all that time neither of them came up with an idea for a 99p coin. Idiots.
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Funny.... when I printed nine bob note's.... nobody wanted them..!!!!
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Cant really comment has I have lost my right to vote but the MRLP has some good ideas.
Prison Food
The problems of prison overcrowding and increased crime will be solved easily by issuing a compulsory contract on McDonalds to do all prison catering. Convervative estimates suggest a 50% reduction in crime rates within 2 years with 0% re-offender figures.
An Englishman's home is his Chateaux
It is proposed that everyone in England should buy one hundred square meters (or be subsidized to do so) of France.
The English would then own France, saving a lot of arguments, and winning us another UN veto...
After owning France, It is proposed that we should rent it back to the French
Then we should start on Germany.
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vote scunner !!!!:D
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Originally posted by Scunner
A QUESTION FOR ALL
All you have to do is answer honestly
Q: Have you ever had a conversation with someone where you showed respect and courtesy to the person, only to get into your car/away from them and call them a to55er :D
Ok maybe not that word specifically lol
But have you ever done that?
Answer 1:
Yes, regularly
Signed
Scunner
NEXT?
Yes but then again I'm not PM ;)
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Yes. to Scunner's question.
Incidentally the lady was talking about all the immigrants moving into the area. Is that or is it not Bigotted?
What would the papers have to say if he agreed with what she said? He could have been caught saying that he agreed.
Bigot PM and Voter????
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I must admit I'm looking forward to tonights debate - poor Gordon no doubt the others will make the most of his gaffe! Although to me it sounded like the truth. The gaffe was being overheard surely ;)
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Our sitting MP was appointed as the New Labour Party's "Twitter Tsar" (phrase that leaves me with a just-about-to-vomit feeling). She has now reported herself as having, foolishly, published some of the results of early postal ballots returns. She is now being investigated by the police as being in contravention of the Representation of the People Act 1983 section 66(4)(d). The punishment for those found guilty of this is up to £5000 fine or six months in prison. Poor thing. How could she be expected to know that publishing some election "results" before the election had taken place might be a bit dodgy? She published this "information" on ... Twitter. Well obviously. Where else? Isn't it nice to know that Gordon Brown doesn't monopolize idiocy?
I have never been able to persuade myself to vote for New Labour. Too right wing for my tastes. This doesn't really help their cause as far as I am concerned.
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So she's a bigot for questioning why Labour have allowed so many immigrants into the UK?
Oh sorry she must be - Gordon said so :)
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She is a bigot for seeing it as a bad thing (is my take on it).
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big·ot
n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Presumably "Eastern Europeans" fall into one of those categories.
PS Tink showed me where to find that definition ;)
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Originally posted by stoop
So she's a bigot for questioning why Labour have allowed so many immigrants into the UK?
The concern locally was with Polish and East European immigrants. Gordon Brown can neither allow them in or keep them out.
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Dodgy subject!!
Does any other EU country give immigrants the same deal that the UK does?
When the Polish, Eastern Europeans etc etc go to France, Italy, Spain or any other country in the EU are they given free health care, houses, benefits or anything else that we provide them with here? No they are forced to move on and shunned!
Hubby and I have worked all our lives, have 2 kids who are in work and we have paid all our taxes, rates, NI, and anything else that various governments have thrown at us and we are entitled to absolutely nothing from the state.
It does make people mad that when immigrants get off the plane, train or boat and ask where is the nearest 'Social Office' or 'Where can I claim asylum' they are given the red carpet!
Illegals take jobs that pay very little as they need to survive - they are being eploited, but have a better life here than where they came from, so push wages down for legal workers.
Better get off my soapbox before I say too much!!
And I am not a BIGOT just an honest hard working born Scouser!!
[:(!]
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Somebody wrote in to Sky News that we should all vote for the Icelandic Ash Party. They stopped more immigrants in 5 days than the government ever has!!:D
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Originally posted by stoop
Religion and politics - two areas that always provoke arguments but never solutions. Steer well clear I say ;-)
I think you could include football as well! ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by stoop
So she's a bigot for questioning why Labour have allowed so many immigrants into the UK?
The concern locally was with Polish and East European immigrants. Gordon Brown can neither allow them in or keep them out.
So that makes her a bigot then?
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Originally posted by Highlander
big·ot
n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Presumably "Eastern Europeans" fall into one of those categories.
PS Tink showed me where to find that definition ;)
That makes all politicians bigots then? So now Brown's a hypocrite as well:D
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"There is nothing more dangerous than the conscience of a bigot" [George Bernard Shaw]
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"There is nothing more dangerous than forgetting you still have a microphone on" [George Bernard Scunner]
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Originally posted by Scunner
"There is nothing more dangerous than forgetting you still have a microphone on" [George Bernard Scunner]
pmsl:D
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Yes it does make her a bigot I think. It is a no exceptions view that foreigners bring only problems or are entirely undesirable. People often look for somewhere to lump their blame to, and in her case it's all gone wrong because of the influx of Polish people. It hasn't all gone wrong because of the Polish so it is a bigoted view.
I watched it at the time and thought it was a bit of a nothing story which would be huge news for a short time then disappear. My only negative view was being mortified at that lummox's mortification. How cringing it was to see the fleet of dark cars all cruising back into a Rochdale council estate and Gordy grovelling like the creep he probably is.
Leaders should be strong, not crawling on their belly like a scolded dog. He said his view and should stick by it. When asked if he thought she was a bigot, he should have replied "Yes I do, and a bitch".
He's such a useless PM I might even vote for him :D
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by Highlander
big·ot
n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Presumably "Eastern Europeans" fall into one of those categories.
PS Tink showed me where to find that definition ;)
That makes all politicians bigots then? So now Brown's a hypocrite as well:D
What I was trying to say was that by that definition the lady could be classified as a bigot.
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Originally posted by Highlander
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Originally posted by stoop
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Originally posted by Highlander
big·ot
n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Presumably "Eastern Europeans" fall into one of those categories.
PS Tink showed me where to find that definition ;)
That makes all politicians bigots then? So now Brown's a hypocrite as well:D
What I was trying to say was that by that definition the lady could be classified as a bigot.
I saw where you were coming from but it still doesn't alter the fact that GB ballsed up big time. Is this really what he thinks about anyone who dares to raise the immigration topic? My view is it probably is. Thing is he doesn't have the guts to say it.
Oh well - next Thursday is D day and hopefully he will be looking for a new job Friday.
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I agtree entirely - it's been hilarious listening to Brown's people trying to defend what he did
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Just watched a very un-scientific survey done by Sky news, they got 7 people to watch last nights debate and 7 people to listen to it on the radio, all were undecided voters, they had to take notes and then vote on who won.
people watching it on tv 6 Clegg 1 Brown
people listening 6 Brown 1 Cameron
as I said previous people need to listen and read not watch
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/TV-Leaders-Debate---Radio-Listeners-Prefer-Browns-Performance-Camerons-Image-Wins-TV-Debate/Article/201004415622825?lpos=Politics_Article_Related_Content_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15622825_TV_Leaders_Debate_-_Radio_Listeners_Prefer_Browns_Performance%2C_Camerons_Image_Wins_TV_Debate
Mark
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mmm- most surveys had Cameron down as easy winner on the debate.
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Cameron was no way an easy winner in the debate and niether will he be in the election. Vote for him at your peril, lets so what reaction I will get to this post!!:D
Kevin
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A little trip down memory lane....
- devastation of British manufacturing industry
- end of Apprenticeships creating mass youth unemployment
- unemployment at highest ever - what was it about 4million
- inflation out of control
- sold off profit making government assets (exc. British Rail) to make a quick buck for their already rich mates and putting millions out of work - profits that used to go back into our economy and pay for public services
- interest rates at highest ever 15%+
- highest ever number of home repossessions and increase in homelessness
- businesses going bankrupt - something to do with those high interest rates
- refusal to introduce minimum wage
- tax cuts for the rich and that ain't you and me: we got bought off with a few sweeties from British Telecom etc
and this is the really big one in my view
- the deregulation of the Financial Markets hand in hand with Ronald Reagan. Today we see the results of letting an unaccountable City and Wall Street police themselves
Let us not forget
Margaret Thatcher the milk snatcher and much much more
Norman Tebbitt the man who told us to 'get on on our bike'
A week is a long time in politics but beware, the next 4 years will seem like 40 if you let these cowboys back in...
Labour isn't perfect (who is) but Gordon Brown is a very clever man and personally I think he is quite cute - who the hell else is there that can sort out the economic mess the roots of which can be traced back to the 20 devastating years of sleazy Conservative governments
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I was surprised to hear Cameron say this week that "We need to get this country making things again". That from the party who decimated our manufacturing sector.
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I thought the unions did that!
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No
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Sorry Tinx but no they didn't.
Unions are made up of working people who were expendable in the Conservatives strategy to allow big business managed by there mates to make as much profit for as little money regardless of the cost in jobs and decent working condfitions and the resulting effect of impact on the quality of peoples lives.
Who picked up the tab? The tax payer - you and me ;)
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you are not old enough to remember Nichola:D
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:D ;) :D
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I agree with Nicola 100%, we are what we are as a result of Thatcherisim, I am certain about that.... better the devil you know springs to mind! That said, my gut feeling is that it will be a hung parliament, political instability will ensue, a real chance of a recession and even more awful times ahead. I would also have to say that intellectually, not spin and PR, Gordon was credible and knows his stuff, he led on the strategy to deal with the world recession and you must have been living on "cloud coocko land" if you did not see that![?]
Kevin
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How is the demise of British Leyland down to Thatcherism?
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Read Nic's previous post on the matter that will give you a clue. The Thatcher era was the catalyst, but I am sure all of us will not agree on that proposition. I suppose that is the beauty of democracy and it clearly indicates the importance of voting and exercising our democratic privilege and right! :)
Kevin
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Nicholas? is she really:D :-\
Nicola's reply hasnt told me how Thatcherism was responsible for the demise of British Leyland, but I do remember the unions walking out at the drop of a coffee cup and also turning down 20% pay rises.
I remember the unions of British Rail also walking out at the drop of a signal and holding the country to ransom.
British Coal! don't even go there 8)
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The most important point is to ask who in the last 100+ years has done more for the quality and standard of life in the UK - the unions or the Conservative party. It certainly isn't the Conservative Party - if the union movement and the Labour party had never actually happened, whether you like it or not, we'd still be dying of exhaustion in a ditch through making high stone walls surrounding our master's stately home.
The Conservative beliefs would have settled for that, had they been in power for the last 100 years we would have had 100 years of stagnant rule where the rich do indeed get richer and the other 99% are irrelevant commodities.
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The Unions were a great concept and well done the Tolpuddle Martyrs (from Dorset)for setting the pace, unfortunately it all went top heavy and the unions began to run the manufacturing industry and again unfortunately ran it straight into the ground, the only thing Thatcher was guilty of is stopping the tail wagging the dog, albeit in many cases it was too late.
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Heres some nice pictures of the UK that Thatcher took over for those of you with red tinted spectacles.
http://www.google.co.uk/images?rlz=1T4ACAW_en___GB372&q=winter+of+discontent&um=1ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=8hzcS9mmLIGb_Aakv-n7Bg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCMQsAQwAw
How many members on here were given the chance to buy their own council house and got onto the property ladder?
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Yes, took assets worth billions that we all owned and sold them ridiculously cheap to people who often sold on at huge personal profit. Such stripping of national assets can only happen once, it's all gone now.
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All the council houses had gone when we wanted to buy!! Thats why there are none for rent anymore!! Families are forced to live in hostels because of the lack of council properties!![:(!]
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if those people hadnt bought their council house they would still be living there anyway, I think many estates have improved with ownership people take a lot more pride in what they own and care more about their community.
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Yes that is true, the people the ex-council tenants sold to at a huge profit did seem to take a lot more pride in the properties.
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Originally posted by cheers
All the council houses had gone when we wanted to buy!! Thats why there are none for rent anymore!! Families are forced to live in hostels because of the lack of council properties!![:(!]
so why havent the Labour party built more council houses?
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People who have pride in themselves will also have pride in their property council or not.
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Have you ever seen how proud a man becomes when given a uniform?
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Labour has renovated more than 2 million house a great effort. A positive effort to avoid too much new build on our precious country side. It is more expensive though... but great from a conservation and environmental perspective.
If council houses sold off had at least been replaced it would have been a better policy.
Housing however is sadly one area where more could have been done. There are still many people living in sub standard properties and resolving this should not be left just to the private sector.
There are many positive of shared ownership and low cost housing projects hopefully more to come.
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Enock powell spoke great words of wisdom in my opinion .[ give them a dozen chickens and a £10 note and -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ]., lots did not take any notice at the time , how true he was in his thoughts of the future
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Only river of blood I ever saw was when Maggie sent the police to bash up the miners...so much for Ennoc's wise words.
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it's Enoch!
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Originally posted by Scunner
Yes, took assets worth billions that we all owned and sold them ridiculously cheap to people who often sold on at huge personal profit. Such stripping of national assets can only happen once, it's all gone now.
You mean like selling all our gold stocks at rock bottom prices - classic Brown - the man who can save the world from recession:D
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Originally posted by Scunner
The most important point is to ask who in the last 100+ years has done more for the quality and standard of life in the UK - the unions or the Conservative party. It certainly isn't the Conservative Party - if the union movement and the Labour party had never actually happened, whether you like it or not, we'd still be dying of exhaustion in a ditch through making high stone walls surrounding our master's stately home.
The Conservative beliefs would have settled for that, had they been in power for the last 100 years we would have had 100 years of stagnant rule where the rich do indeed get richer and the other 99% are irrelevant commodities.
Knocks that theory for six:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264709/In-13-years-Labour-richest-got-richer.html
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Don't be ridiculous. My post dealt quite clearly with the last 100 years. Your link knocks nothing for six.
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It was not just in Maggie days that we saw industry closing. In Tony Blairs reign we saw Dyson going to Malaysia with the loss of 800 jobsc Royal Doulton moving to Indonesia and the Waterford/Wedgwood Group going abroad. The most telling move abroad has been all the British Company Call Centres that have moved to India to save money... All done under Blairs term as P.M.
Getting away from Industry I always remember Blair saying he would get rid of Prescription Charges, but as soon as he was elected Prescription charged just rocketed. I think they were under £1 when Blair got in, they are now £7.20 per item.
I voted for Tony hoping things would change for the better!!
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There is a huge difference between national industries closing down and a greedy vacuum cleaner inventor shifting production to the Far East. He does make me laugh, James Dyson - on his advert he shows us how a ball obviously makes a vacuum cleaner far more manoeuvrable than the traditional type. Inspired from a man who has been in the industry for ages and took 25 years to work that out ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
I am a traditional Labour voter but am more anti-Tory than pro-Labour. To keep Cameron out this time it looks like I'll have to vote SNP as Labour haven't a hope here.
I had a strange feeling tonight, that the party closest to my actual views is now UKIP, which might be worrying for me.
Smaller parties representing our views is possibly the case for many voters but whilst the likes of the BBC ensure it is a 3 horse race by not allowing equal "airtime", it is almost impossible for UKIP or others to gain some exposure.
The media have gone on and on about the 3 main parties not having anything between them yet they stuck with only them throughout the staged debates. Several people I have spoken to have used the BBC or Telegraph questionnaires to see which party reflects their views best - and yes, UKIP seems to be a popular fit.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Don't be ridiculous. My post dealt quite clearly with the last 100 years. Your link knocks nothing for six.
Yes but this lot have managed in 13 years what it would have taken the Tories 100 years to achieve!
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Yes but this lot have managed in 13 years what it would have taken the Tories 100 years to achieve!
Now that is impressive efficiency.
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UKIP for me also. establishment wants a 3 horse race only. (less chance of a hung parliament).
More chance of continuing the gravy train.
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We have a bloated, unsustainable public sector, with at least two million public sector employees who serve no useful purpose whatsoever.
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They do keep unemployment down.
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Originally posted by Highlander
We have a bloated, unsustainable public sector, with at least two million public sector employees who serve no useful purpose whatsoever.
Well said that man!
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Originally posted by FrankStanley
UKIP for me also. establishment wants a 3 horse race only. (less chance of a hung parliament).
More chance of continuing the gravy train.
Why do you want a hung Parliament? Have you no job, savings, shares or property?
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We have very little industry left in the UK. Most big companies have outsourced thier finance departments to India. Shops are only selling goods that are made outside the UK. More and more people are being forced to work for minimum wage or do 16 hours a week and claim benefits! If you work 16 hours per week you pay no tax or National Insurance!
Soon it will be only the Public sector who are in work! They will be the only ones paying Tax and NI, whether they work hard or not they will be paying to keep the rest claiming benefits!
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My favoured outcome would be a Lab/Lib-Dem coalition government. Since the ballot paper doesn't offer a "Balanced Parliament" option I have to consider the tactics of voting. Unfortunately this is by no means straightforward. My constituency, like many others, has had boundary changes since the 2005 election that changes its political balance. To help me, however, the quite excellent BBC election website has worked out the impact the changes have had across the country - just put in your postcode and you get a revided version of the 2005 vote. In my case Lab still win but there is a very big shift that demotes Lib-Dem from second to third and promotes the Tories. When I apply the current average swing indicated by the opininon polls as though they would be the same in my consituency then things get much tighter than they appeared at the beginning.
I may have to vote NewLab for the first time. I don't want to wake up on Friday morning and find the Tories have sneaked a win in Bristol East by one vote. And then that they have a one seat majority in parliament. Some hard thinking needed. As I see it, the entire outcome of the UK election may be determined by me.
I need to go and take my medication now.
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Originally posted by cheers
We have very little industry left in the UK. Most big companies have outsourced thier finance departments to India. Shops are only selling goods that are made outside the UK. More and more people are being forced to work for minimum wage or do 16 hours a week and claim benefits! If you work 16 hours per week you pay no tax or National Insurance!
Soon it will be only the Public sector who are in work! They will be the only ones paying Tax and NI, whether they work hard or not they will be paying to keep the rest claiming benefits!
Yes but who's going to work to pay for their lovely inflation proof final salary pensions?
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As a hard working public sector employee, I am really surprised by the ill informed comments about people like me. It never fails to surprise me that the venom as described by some on this forum is always cantered on people and staff who are generally very committed to public service, do not, and I stress do not earn massive salaries, and become the epitome of those who should immediately be sacked at a time of a recession. Were I ask myself generally through the thread do the fat cat capitalist who brought the economy to its knees get fingered!
This is my last contribution to this thread, I am off out again on the campaign trail, guess who for! Happy postings!
Kevin
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Kevin - Whilst I agree that the Public Sector is far too large, the quote "we have a bloated, unsustainable public sector, with at least two million public sector employees who serve no useful purpose whatsoever" are not my words. They are straight from UKIP's Manifesto.
I posted it because I'm not sure many people would know that.
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Ah, UKIP, now it makes sense!
Kevin
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Yes but who's going to work to pay for their lovely inflation proof final salary pensions?
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What utter rot! Public Sector workers don't get Final Salary Pension Schemes. Never did.
http://www.cspensions.gov.ie/OverviewofPublicServicePensionSchemes.pdf
And so what if they did!. A Final Salary Pension Scheme means members are paid a proportion of their salary on their retirement. The Final Salary Scheme pension you receive will be a set percentage of your final salary depending on the length of your service within the company. The amount is often calculated as a sixtieth of the (final) salary multiplied by the years of service.
But hey no need to worry because most employers got rid of their Final Salary Pension Schemes by closing them to new members years ago.
Public Sector workers also make considerable contributions to their pensions...
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Nichola,
You are talking to someone who has dealt with Teachers/Prison Officers and many other public sector workers and their retirement plans - so I think I know what I am talking about when I mentioned Final Salary pension Schemes - but just in case you are confused please read this extract from the link you posted above:
Most pension Schemes in the public service are Defined Benefit schemes -
the pension benefits are specified or defined in the rules of the scheme. Thus
the scheme member knows the calculation formulae which will determine the
level of benefits due at retirement. Furthermore, public service schemes are
Final Salary defined benefit schemes - the benefits formulae are based on
the level of pensionable pay at retirement. The formulae are set out in the
Table below.
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"But hey no need to worry because most employers got rid of their Final Salary Pension Schemes by closing them to new members years ago"
EXACTLY - and that is why I want to know who is going to pay for the Final Salary pension schemes that the PUBLIC SECTOR will enjoy in their retirement. You are correct though - that most PRIVATE sector employers have got rid of the very expensive Final Salary Pension Schemes because they know that they cost a fortune to provide.
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Ok stand corrected :-\
- nonetheless I am glad our Armed Forces. Health Service Workers, Teachers, Carers who do, these days - did I get that right - contribute towards their pension as we wouldn't want our pensioners living in poverty would we?
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quote:
Originally posted by nichola
Ok stand corrected :-\
- nonetheless I am glad our Armed Forces. Health Service Workers, Teachers, Carers who do, these days - did I get that right - contribute towards their pension as we wouldn't want our pensioners living in poverty would we?
Try telling that to private sector workers who have had their pension schemes raided and ruined by this lot in government.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/pensions/article.html?in_article_id=502626in_page_id=6
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oh well can't win really...
All I know is that I don't want to see anyone living in poverty and I don't care who they work for or how much they do or don't pay in or if my taxes contribute or not.
The worst thing that happened to this country is when consensus government ended (under that witch Thatcher) when it was generally believed that we should all look after each other and there was an acceptable level of living standards for all - even the rich patronised the poor...
and any one who thinks that
sink or swim
stand on your own 2 feet
me me me
self self self
oh no you have something I haven't got
attitudes makes for a caring and responsibile society - it doesn't!
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Originally posted by Highlander
at least two million public sector employees who serve no useful purpose whatsoever" are not my words. They are straight from UKIP's Manifesto.
I posted it because I'm not sure many people would know that.
Thank you, Michael Caine. One of the resons not many people "know" this is that it is daft number pulled out of thin air by a daft party. Their spokesperson on BBC Radio Five yesterday said the problem with Europe was a lot of unelected people in politics. He was an unelected Lord Snooty (or some such name) from our House of Lords that the Ukips had chosen to deliver this message. Hypocrisy on stilts.
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Preaching to the converted as far as I'm concerned Stoop.
Go on yersel :)
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Originally posted by Colwyn
the quite excellent BBC election website
Out of interest I set the "Election Seat Calculator" so that the three main parties each got 33 % of the vote. This would give the following results in seats:
Labour 313
Conservatives 211
Lib Dems 102
Great system eh:(
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That would mean the Conservative Party lost. Yes, that does seem like a good system. :D
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quote:
Great system eh:(
Naturally, if the Tories get in they won't change the system. They'll just close the BBC website - their rich media chums don't like the competition.
p.s. I just noticed that Scunner no longer looks like an advert for a cleaning product. Must be time for change.
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H - I have seen you post a couple of times, relatively recently that we don't have many debates on the forum these days. I'm relatively new to the Forum and one thing I do miss about the UK is the opportunity now and then to have a good discussion and debate.
This seems the perfect topic for a good debate but if we all agree or are too afraid to say what we think then it wouldn't be much fun or much of a debate.
I can admit when I am wrong and I am always interested in what others have to say - I don't have to agree but I also know I don't know everything. I know that my opinions on lots of issues have changed and developed over the years!
When I entered this debate I listed a number of things - all true about the previous Tory Governments. The outcomes of their policies are there for all to see. The Labour of today is not the Labour of the 70's and for all its faults it has a fairly good record of achievements over the past 13 years (the Iraq war being the most notable exception). I have posted a couple of links below for those interested.
As far as I am concerned most people are basically kind and caring and this can be seen in the everyday actions of many who go out of their way to help others.
Yet it makes me sad that so many people also often seem full of hate towards groups of people who at the end of the day are just people with feelings and hopes and dreams like you and me. I can't live my life resenting what others have more than me and I try to live my life according to my principles.
Anyway enough said... :)
http://www.labouronline.org/wibs/165781/labour_achievements?PageId=f1c17867-df51-64b4-49a9-c01cf3b04cf6
http://www.labour.org.uk/policies/labours-achievements
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quote:
Originally posted by nichola
H - I have seen you post a couple of times, relatively recently that we don't have many debates on the forum these days.
That's because I'm an argumentative S.O.B Nichola ;).
I was interested in your two links and I have to say that I would doubt some of the statements made eg
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools and
Best-ever primary school results.
I also believe that you can prove anything with figures which is why I would have thought the claim as to the number of extra nurses would have been the same in both links
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No one can refute that the Tories closed more hospitals in the 19 years they were in government and waiting list
for operations were about 18 months long.
The health service had to change. So many hospitals have been built or improved.
There is just no comparison.
All The Tories are offering with their "new team" is all the same faces they had 19 years ago.
THey sacked more leaders in the last 25 years than any other party.
They were more corrupt.
In 19 years there was more attacks on British soil than in the last 13.
I may not have decided who to vote for....
But I know it wont be the Tories.
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Originally posted by barry44544
The health service had to change.
In 19 years there was more attacks on British soil than in the last 13.
Barry on the Health Service, as I said you can prove anything with figures
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8587122.stm
On attacks on British soil - can you explain further, please.
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Maybe the dates when these were written are different and one is done by a constituency Labour Party it seemed to me and one by the LP HQ. I guess the point is there are more nurses ;) and Matrons were brought back onto wards.
I don't thimk people can dispute that waiting times are down from a year or more to a few weeks.
I thought for anyone interested there were some extra bits of info and more explanation to be gained by reading both.
I also thought that a lot of these points were tangible things that can make a big difference to someones life at the point it affects them.
2 weeks paternity leave - minimum wage - right to 4 weeks paid holiday - free nursery places for 3 and 4 year olds - small things that make a big difference to peoples quality of life
Scotland has done particularly well with its devolved government has it not? :D
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Originally posted by nichola
Scotland has done particularly well with its devolved government has it not? :D
Is that leaving aside the fact that it is a monstrosity and that it cost £ 450 million. How many hospitals would that have built.
On the election itself, one of the biggest disappointments to me has been the way Brown and Cameron have dismissed the idea of a balanced parliament. I would have far preferred had they both said, ok, a sizeable percentage of the voters haven't voted for us, lets see if we can work with the people they have voted for for the good of the country.
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I'm all in favour of consensue govt but no party ever admits to being prepared to work with another b4 the election as they want to be seen as strong.
It seems fairly obvious that Labour and Lib Dems have more in common with each other and I think many Liberal voters would be well hacked off if they did a deal with Cameron.
My concern over a hung parliament is the effect on the £ which will surely plummet and that will screw us all...
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Originally posted by Colwyn
p.s. I just noticed that Scunner no longer looks like an advert for a cleaning product. Must be time for change.
You never know Colwyn, I may even have my own avatar restored. :o
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quote:
Originally posted by nichola
My concern over a hung parliament is the effect on the £ which will surely plummet and that will screw us all...
I confess not to knowing enough to agree or disagree with that Nichola. But I suspect there are a multitude of world issues which will affect the pound and over which we have absolutely no control.
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'More corrupt'? - pot, kettle and black springs to mind.
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"My concern over a hung parliament is the effect on the £ which will surely plummet and that will screw us all..."
It didn't the last time there was a balanced Parliament.
it's just another fallacy perpetuated by the tory's.
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I'm still very interested in Barry's "more attacks" comment. Hope he responds :)
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Because of the actions of Labour, the peace process in Ireland stopped the attacks in the UK.
something the Tories could never achieve .
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Hang on a minute. The peace process in Northern Ireland took many years and if my memory serves me correctly it was John Major who opened talks with the IRA which started the whole process
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I met John Major once...... He gave all the credit to Mo molem.
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A mark of the man perhaps.
They are of course two entirely different situations Barry, but I firmly believe that the Labour Government's foreign policy over the last 13 years has put this country and its citizens in far more peril than the Conservatives policy towards the IRA.
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Or a marked man....
His credentials are slightly tarnished!
I dont think the IRA thought that.
We think we are a world power, when in fact we are not.
I dont think this country's foreign policy changes much whoever is in charge.
The power has been for years wielded by the USA...
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quote:
Originally posted by barry44544
I dont think this country's foreign policy changes much whoever is in charge.
Well I hope it does and that no party ever again takes us into war the way the Labour Party did.
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
quote:
Originally posted by barry44544
I dont think this country's foreign policy changes much whoever is in charge.
Well I hope it does and that no party ever again takes us into war the way the Labour Party did.
Agreed H - and it was Blair - puppet of the USA - who took us into them.
If you haven't seen the film 'The Ghost' then it's well worth the entrance fee. Still out in cinemas.
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Originally posted by Highlander
Well I hope it does and that no party ever again takes us into war the way the Labour Party did.
I hope that too, but I remember the Tories voted in favour whilst the LibDems voted against.
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Much as I can't stand the sight of smarmy rich kid David Cameron, I am entirely bored with seeing Gordon Brown sitting humbly on some TV couch listening with the rest of us to his wife telling everyone what a kind and caring person he is. Do they think there is a single person in the UK that wouldn't expect her to say those things?
What a waste of everyone's time.
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Originally posted by Colwyn
quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
Well I hope it does and that no party ever again takes us into war the way the Labour Party did.
I hope that too, but I remember the Tories voted in favour whilst the LibDems voted against.
Yes the Tories did vote in favour based on the information they were given which of course was the same as that given to the LibDems and it is to their credit that they voted the way they did.
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I like the sound of Manish Sood, the only one in the Labour Party with a sense of reality from what I can see.
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I think he may be to honest to have any long future in politics. You can't argue with his view though.
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Labour should not get in. Period. Any party that can take a country to war for a lie and profit and is prepared to send young kids to die for this should be punished.
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My memory may be wrong, but in the years prior the the "second Gulf war", the widespread view in the UK was that it was a shame and missed opportunity that things didn't continue to remove Saddam during the original Iraq conflict. Finally, the toppling of this tyrant was received very well in the UK.
I support our forces in Iraq but not the continued war. While they are there we should be proud of their skill and bravery but that doesn't mean they should be there. It seems to me that now it is proving costly in terms of lives of our men, we are all grateful that Tony Blair admitted it was right to depose Saddam because that way we can blame him and pretend we didn't initially support it. Most of us did, weapons of mass destruction or not - the same stance as Tony Blair. Saddam ordered the murder of thousands of his own people and his forces invaded peaceful Kuwait, do people forget the actions of this tyrant? Saddam was a master antagoniser and brought about his own downfall.
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Well said Keith!!
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Originally posted by Scunner
My memory may be wrong, but in the years prior the the "second Gulf war", the widespread view in the UK was that it was a shame and missed opportunity that things didn't continue to remove Saddam during the original Iraq conflict. Finally, the toppling of this tyrant was received very well in the UK.
I support our forces in Iraq but not the continued war. While they are there we should be proud of their skill and bravery but that doesn't mean they should be there. It seems to me that now it is proving costly in terms of lives of our men, we are all grateful that Tony Blair admitted it was right to depose Saddam because that way we can blame him and pretend we didn't initially support it. Most of us did, weapons of mass destruction or not - the same stance as Tony Blair. Saddam ordered the murder of thousands of his own people and his forces invaded peaceful Kuwait, do people forget the actions of this tyrant? Saddam was a master antagoniser and brought about his own downfall.
..and Afghanistan?
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Saddam was a tyrant not escaping that but what did he do to get in the bad books with the west? After all we (US & UK) didnt mind him killing 10s of thousands back in the early 80s and we were only too happy to sell him weapons to do this, or was it because he was alleged to be stealing oil (a far bigger crime then killing humans I guess) that upset the west more?
End of the day, countless young lads (and lasses) in the prime of their lives have been killed or maimed and lets not forget the 100s of thousands of innocent iraqis also killed on the back of a lie. We was told he was involved with 9/11 (untrue) and he had WMDs (hold on, dont we and north korea have them?).
Also I was one of the 2 million people that marched in London against the war just before it started but I guess labour didnt want to listen. The party that allowed this should not be let back in power and also would be nice if a few of the instigators (tony blair) were sent to the Hague for trial.
(http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/a561_rumsfeld_greets_hussein_2050081722-11628.jpg)
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I replied to a comment about Iraq. To confirm, I don't think our forces should be in any country so I am probably not the best person to ask. But then Tony Blair isn't the best person to ask about buying property in Calis. I don't think we should be in Afghanistan and I don't think we should be in Iraq. I believe that we need to protect peaceful nations that need our help when they have been attacked (such as Kuwait) but I have never lost any sleep over the activities of the Taliban or Saddam Hussein when they were in power. People must change the status quo of their own country if change is needed. If there is to be chaos in a country thousands of miles away whether British soldiers are there or not, best they are not and the chaos is not affecting us.
My understanding is that stability in the Middle East and Taliban links with Al-Qaeda were reasons to go to war. I'm not qualified to comment on whether or not it was the correct Government decision based on either of those, nobody on here will be. My wish is only that we leave nations to sort out their own tyrants or accept them.
There wasn't any chaos in either, under Saddam and the Taliban. They knew how to keep things quiet ;)
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If you haven't seen 'The Ghost' then go. It portrays the ex PM (Blair) as a man who's decisions were pushed by his wife who was allegedly working for the CIA. Fiction mixed with fact but none the less it gives food for thought.
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I actually had to do a search because I couldn't really remember why the war in Afghanistan started. It seems like generations ago and I'm still not quite sure what it was all about [:o]
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One question for you to consider and perhaps answer truthfully here.
If Afghanistan was Reagan and Thatcher, would Thatcher have sent our troops?
I think you know...
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Originally posted by Scunner
I couldn't really remember why the war in Afghanistan started.
It was claimed that the Taliban regime ruling Afghanistan provided a base for Al Qaeda terrorist training camps and that graduates of these camps were responsible for many attacks on "Western" targets. That seems to me to be a fairly plausible claim - although the neighbouring country of Pakistan (where the government was one of our "allies") was probably also the training base for large numbers of potential murderers. The Western forces had more-or-less eradicated significant Taliban power in the country before they were distracted by a ludicrous and evil adventure in Iraq that diverted troops and political attention from Alghanistan and allowed the Taliban to regroup and return more quickly than they probably would have otherwise.
Well, that is my take on the history.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
One question for you to consider and perhaps answer truthfully here.
If Afghanistan was Reagan and Thatcher, would Thatcher have sent our troops?
I think you know...
No - probably just a bomb ;)
In reality we will never know.
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Reagan would go and round up a posse, meanwhile maggie would be on her trusty steed,lance in hand and galloping across Europe
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I'm not sure Lance would like that
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I think he did
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Lance is more of a pacifist I think. His most violent act since I've known him was squirting a street dog with water.
And he messed that up too :D
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Poor Lance!!
:D:D
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if you had been taken in hand by Maggie and galloped around Europe I think you would be mentally scarred too
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Lance would not allow any woman to dictate where he galloped. Knowing him as I do, I feel he'd lead rather than follow. I reckon he'd have taken Maggie up the Gunlukbasi.
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Oooohhh!! Would Lance do that??
:-\ :-\
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I think he would get lost and end up in the Besiktas
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This topic has gone from tongue in cheek to very serious and back to light hearted. Not everyone's cup of tea but to me it is the primary unique attribute of CBF :)
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Politics:D
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True Scunner - politics is the one thing we can all disagree on and still have a laugh - basically because we all know deep down that all the lot of them are useless money grabbers who don't really give a toss about anyone else but themselves.
I'll be voting and hoping for change and believe me if it had been the Tories that had overseen the last 13 years I would still be voting for change.
As it is the only credible alternative is a blue government as the Lib Dems will not get in and I think a hung parliament would be disaster.
Remember - yellow and red make Brown!
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I think the one thing discussing politics has on it's side is the fact that you will never change me into a Tory voter nor I change you into a Labour voter. That goes for every last person who has contributed to this thread. So ultimately the whole discussion is pointless so there is no point in getting annoyed by anything here ;)
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It always amazes me how selective memory kicks in when thinking about our prospective parties past tenures in office
Especially you Torys ;)
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The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones, which ramify, for those brought up as most of us have been, into every corner of our minds.
Open your minds or nothing will change.
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There we have it Cameron has got involved in Northern Ireland without understanding its complexities, what a dangerous man he is, I dread to think how this policy, if implemented, would affect the much improved way of life people have experienced for more than a decade.
He hasn't a clue.
David
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Name me one person who does?
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I do
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What policy are you referring to David - is it the one where he said that the public sector was too big /
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If you all think what party you vote for would make a difference to what happens in this country,
I suggest you look into this group and their members.
The Bilderberg Group.
Then tell me your vote counts.
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Originally posted by Scunner
I think the one thing discussing politics has on it's side is the fact that you will never change me into a Tory voter nor I change you into a Labour voter. That goes for every last person who has contributed to this thread. So ultimately the whole discussion is pointless so there is no point in getting annoyed by anything here ;)
You are wrong - as I said - if the Tories had been in power for the last 13 years and cocked things up like Labour have then I would vote for a change. If that meant voting Labour then I would.
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He has this crazy plan that he can use Northern Ireland politics to prop up his government should he get into power. He said he will pump money into Northern Ireland, dissolve the assembly powers and have the unionists sitting in westminister, thats so he can use their votes to get legislation pushed through.
May help his party but what about the people of Northern Ireland, i dont really want to think about what it could lead to.
Tinx flippant post is typical of why there was so much trouble until some people decided to try and understand it and look for a resolution.
David
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Originally posted by barry44544
If you all think what party you vote for would make a difference to what happens in this country,
I suggest you look into this group and their members.
The Bilderberg Group.
Then tell me your vote counts.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13808
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At last, a conspiracy theorist.
What a pity David Ike's not up for election, he would stop the lizard men.
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Originally posted by davidzz
He has this crazy plan that he can use Northern Ireland politics to prop up his government should he get into power. He said he will pump money into Northern Ireland, dissolve the assembly powers and have the unionists sitting in westminister, thats so he can use their votes to get legislation pushed through.
May help his party but what about the people of Northern Ireland, i dont really want to think about what it could lead to.
Tinx flippant post is typical of why there was so much trouble until some people decided to try and understand it and look for a resolution.
David
Thanks for the reply David.
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Can you tell me why you think that the same Tories that had 19 years of power
would be better than the 13 years of Labour?
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quote:
Originally posted by barry44544
If you all think what party you vote for would make a difference to what happens in this country,
I suggest you look into this group and their members.
The Bilderberg Group.
Then tell me your vote counts.
Don't worry Barry, David Icke is on their case. I feel safe now.
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We saw David Icke at Pamukkale and yes, he was wearing purple. :)
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Originally posted by barry44544
Can you tell me why you think that the same Tories that had 19 years of power
would be better than the 13 years of Labour?
..and can you honestly say you have been happy with the last 13 years? If so you must be a Labour MP.
I think the Tories will do what is necessary to stop the UK falling back into a massive recession and from going the same way as Greece and possibly Spain and Portugal. It will mean spending cuts in the public sector. It will mean tough times ahead for most of us BUT it will be far better than continuing to throw money at the problem as Labour have done.
1% on companies NI contributions next year will kill whatever growth we have this year.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee - this government are finished and are clutching at straws (asking voters to vote for another party to save their own skins) to stay in power.
Vote Labour for disaster.
Vote Lib Dem for no nuclear deterrent and ditching the £.
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I think the Tories will do what is necessary to push the UK into a massive recession and force us to go the same way as Greece and possibly Spain and Portugal.
they will do anything to protect the privileged as always and to hell with the rest of us.
Goodbye the NHS, decent schooling, care in the community, winter fuel payments, minimum wage, care services, all the things that help buffer the underprivileged.
I do smell the coffee, but I prefer a good strong mug of working class tea.
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Originally posted by stoop
Vote Lib Dem for no nuclear deterrent and ditching the £.
Sounds good to me
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Originally posted by mike A
I think the Tories will do what is necessary to push the UK into a massive recession and force us to go the same way as Greece and possibly Spain and Portugal.
they will do anything to protect the privileged as always and to hell with the rest of us.
Goodbye the NHS, decent schooling, care in the community, winter fuel payments, minimum wage, care services, all the things that help buffer the underprivileged.
I do smell the coffee, but I prefer a good strong mug of working class tea.
Utter nonsense and typical Lib Dem/Labour scare tactics.
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As I stated before, selective memory or maybe its the rose colour,d specs ;)
We should learn from history, not compound the mistakes of the past.
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go stoop,right on the money. the labour view of "ruining" the country would continue. yes Mike to getting rid of winter fuel payments,and cutting NHS waste/ staff,and social services. give the people who have earned it a proper pension that they can live on, and get the people proper jobs making thing we need or want. cut back the stuff we import. get out of EU and go back to common market. also change the way mps are responible not only to parliment but also their constituants.
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Then why the hell are you supporting the Tory's.
Pie in the sky springs to mind.
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A vote for the labour party now is a vote for a hung parliament, if you think that is the best way forward for Great Britain or indeed a good alternative to a Conservative government, carry on.
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We USED to make things in the UK - we had a massive manufacturing industry. It was DESTROYED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
INTEREST RATES of 15% plus BANKRUPTED businesses - under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
HOSPITALS were CLOSED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
The FINANCIAL sector was DEREGULATED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY - remember BLACK MONDAY 1987 when the stock markets CRASHED - There went our PENSION FUNDS
Remember PENSION MIS-SELLING and ENDOWMENT MORTGAGES MIS-SELLING under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of HOUSES REPOSSESSED under the CONSERVATIVES
HOW can you NOT remember these awful times - oh! maybe YOU were ALL RIGHT JACK
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Winter of Discontent?
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"Winter of Discontent?"
Glory days compared to what came after, ask the miners and steel workers
and the millions unemployed.
The Conservatives conned the public then into voting for a bright new future and look what we got, now there doing it again, thank god the majority of voters will not fall for them again
and if that means a balanced parliament, so be it
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sorry - got distracted and repeated same post
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I urge everyone to vote...
We need a fairer system in this country, one that can be moderated by fairness.
I for one am fed up with the minority of voters imposing their will on the majority.
Fed up with an unelected elite backing up their croney friends,
For once give us real change,
(And that is not the Conservative Party)
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Eastenders is to mark the election result
In Friday's scene, Darren and Minty will be seen walking across Albert Square and questioning whether the election result is good or bad for them.
They decide to visit the Queen Victoria pub for a couple of pints "before they put the prices up".
That just might be the most incisive political comment of the marathon TV coverage.
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I will obviously have to go out as I couldn't stand to watch that 'Swingometer', 'Poll' or whatever else they are going to use every minute of tomorrow and Friday!!
The telly is already bad and we pay a licence for it, the next 2 days will be worse - Hmmm maybe I'll ask for a lock in for the next week!!
:(:(
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I will watch it way into the wee small hours :D
Hopefully some big names will be booted out, I remember with great fondness watching live as the likes of Portillo and Patten got their marching orders. Wonderful television, they should do more episodes ;)
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I'll watch it also. It could just be an historic night for the LibDems and should be fascinating.
PS who decided that historic should be preceeded by "an" as opposed to "a"
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The telly is already bad and we pay a licence for it
Would be even worse if the tory,s get in, ;)
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Mind you I won't be staying up waiting for the result in my constituency ;)
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
I'll watch it also. It could just be an historic night for the LibDems and should be fascinating.
PS who decided that historic should be preceeded by "an" as opposed to "a"
H, all you need to know.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/591/01/
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander[/i
Who decided that historic should be preceeded by "an" as opposed to "a"
Grammar did 'An must always be used when going before an H' I think when its before a description (Ha Ha Probably wrong on the descrpition bit!!)
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Was nearly right!!
:D
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Should it be "an Highlander" then.
(My goodness, how inane must some people think this is. Scunner - don't bother :))
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No because you pronounce the 'H' in Highlander therefore it is......
A Highlander!!:D
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Why do people say "an Hotel" then? We don't say otel, we pronounce the H (except in Cockneyshire).
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
I'll watch it also. It could just be an historic night for the LibDems and should be fascinating.
PS who decided that historic should be preceeded by "an" as opposed to "a"
Some ignoramus John ;), it's A horse, A house, A hump etc etc etc :D
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Didn't anyone read Mike's post?
If you pronounce the 'H' you use 'A' before it - if you don't pronounce the 'H' you use 'AN'
Ha Ha At this time of night I have learnt what to do with my 'H's'!!
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Originally posted by Scunner
Why do people say "an Hotel" then? We don't say otel, we pronounce the H (except in Cockneyshire).
Posh folk and some others pronounce the word 'otel. The some others include me I am afraid. Oh, and Turks as well.
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Does "posh folk" not include you too? :D
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Agree with you Stoop.
It was thanks to Blair, Brown and rest of thier rabble I decided to take a career break and get the hell out of the UK for up to five years, before it goes totally down the drain.
So at least I have something to thank them for!!!!.
Should the miracles of all miracles happen and they get an out right majortiy tonight, I can at least look forward to spending another few years here in Turkey.
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Originally posted by stoop
quote:
Originally posted by barry44544
Can you tell me why you think that the same Tories that had 19 years of power
would be better than the 13 years of Labour?
..and can you honestly say you have been happy with the last 13 years? If so you must be a Labour MP.
I think the Tories will do what is necessary to stop the UK falling back into a massive recession and from going the same way as Greece and possibly Spain and Portugal. It will mean spending cuts in the public sector. It will mean tough times ahead for most of us BUT it will be far better than continuing to throw money at the problem as Labour have done.
1% on companies NI contributions next year will kill whatever growth we have this year.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee - this government are finished and are clutching at straws (asking voters to vote for another party to save their own skins) to stay in power.
Vote Labour for disaster.
Vote Lib Dem for no nuclear deterrent and ditching the £.
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Stoop's comment on the increase in NI contributions are in line with tory comments on the minimum wage when that was going to introduced, "massive job losses, bosses and companies driven to the wall etc." looking back do any fellow CBF'ers think that perhaps the torys were slightly :o(no they would'nt, would they?) going over the top with their scaremongering.
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nothing to do with the tories, this is politics.
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I hope my vote counts tonight - I'm afraid it may not
ighlander.
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Are we Slumming it now 'H'?
Dropping an H is not allowed in grammar!!
Ha Ha!!
:D:D
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First Exit Poll 2010
Tory 307
Lab 255
Lib 59
Others 29
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Ah but Vince is rubbishing it ;)
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Bring back Bob McKenzie that's what I say. Can't be doing with all this hitech graphic thingies:D
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I hope the result in Sunderland is not close :o
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minority Tory govt coming or not - what do you think[?]
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If the exit poll numbers are correct, then it will be a disgrace if Labour try and cling to power
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Agreed H. Off to bed now - hope to see a lot of blue in the morning.
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HUNG!!
A lot of people not able to vote tonight - apparently turned away!! They can't even get that right!!
What hope for whoever gets in??
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It's rapidly turning into a farce
Polling stations running out of ballot papers. YOU MUST BE JOKING :o:(
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I know - I can't remember anything like this happening before
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The more I hear about the shambles that this election appears to have been in certain areas the more embarrassed and ashamed I'm becoming:(:(:(
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So who would do the best job of running the country if they can't even get the voting bit right?
:(:(
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ooooh Caroline Lucas Green Candidate might have taken Brighton Pavillion - how exciting
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Originally posted by Highlander
It's rapidly turning into a farce
Polling stations running out of ballot papers. YOU MUST BE JOKING :o:(
Must be a labour conspiracy to stop people voting for others ;)
It looks like we will see Brown try and hold on and form some sort of government with Clegg.
Let the fun begin :)
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Last of the Summer Wine springs to mind:D Brown and Cleggy
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Now it looks like a Lib/Lab pact will not have enough seats to form a majority. What a mess! Will Clegg mix it with the Tories to form a government? It's the only way the Libs will ever get anything out of this election and some seats in the government. My guess is Cameron will bide his time over the weekend and pounce early next week although I'm sure his phone will need re-charging a few times this weekend.
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would be very interesting if scotland and wales got their independance. as tories have by far the most votes and seats in england.We will now have the camel that should have been a race horse with back door deals done to try and keep brown and crew in power. for me I would preffer boy david as pm with vince cable as chancellor, with the people having the choice to vote for pr before easter next.
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quote:
Originally posted by c1
would be very interesting if scotland and wales got their independance. as tories have by far the most votes and seats in england.We will now have the camel that should have been a race horse with back door deals done to try and keep brown and crew in power. for me I would preffer boy david as pm with vince cable as chancellor, with the people having the choice to vote for pr before easter next.
I noticed that as well.
What springs to mind is our Scottish leader calling a little old woman from Derbyshire a bigot when it's quite clear that 99% of his countrymen will never ever vote for a Tory party. Bigotry?
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Looks like its all over, Tory/Lib pact, with the snake oil salesman as PM.
Hope his cure all works.
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Ah Mike,but who is prepared to grasp this poisoned chalice ? I can see tears before bed time.It's not the best result but Tuesday just might bring some clarity!I've been covering this for Sky as the "Pool" TV crew since Day One and I'm as puzzled by the outcome as anyone else. Seems to me to be no winners in this. Blame the Daily Telegraph ?
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Best result of the night - Jacqui Smith getting booted out:D
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I thought that was brill, but anyone named after a Turkish sunglasses shop deserves the chop - so bye bye Limpet Optik :D
I watched till about 4am then realised there were to be few highlights. There was one very subtle but nonetheless great Gordon Brown moment (like we need another). After his winning speech in his own constituency of Kirkaldy & Cowdenbeath, he made what I thought was a rather good speech, passionate and unlike him. The speech he can make when the polling booths are closed and the pressure may not be off but you can't do anything about it anymore. The speech his party must have been crying out for, but only heard the ramblings of a bungling idiot. Whatever you think of Brown or Labour or politicians, I do believe Gordy is in politics to try and make a positive difference for people.
Anyway, re-election and rousing speech in the bag, he set off as he does sometimes - on a Gordon Brown random handshake-a-thon. Now when GB does this he can't do it in relaxed fashion - he approaches people with arm already extended like the approach of a Buzz Lightyear toy figure in cosmic karate chop mode. As he was attacking anyone and everyone with erect arm, an advisor whispered something in his ear which must have been something like "If you want to shake hands, don't you think the ballot paper counters would be a better group?"
To which he immediately swung round and headed off in their direction, where they were lined up ready to be handshaken. So determined was GB on this, his hand arrived to the first person seemingly ages before the rest of him. There was a fabulous moment where you could see the realisation dawn on him that this girl was actually propping herself up in the standing position on crutches. Not one to back out, with razor sharp thinking his heat seeking palm changed direction downwards, where he carried out a quite disturbing wiggle of the girl's fingertips, just below the handle.
Goodbye, Mr Bean.
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Originally posted by Scunner
I do believe Gordy is in politics to try and make a positive difference for people.
Me too - he is the Van Gogh of our times - will never be appreciated in his lifetime.
Time to go gracefully and one day we will all lament our loss...
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Originally posted by nichola
quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
I do believe Gordy is in politics to try and make a positive difference for people.
Me too - he is the Van Gogh of our times - will never be appreciated in his lifetime.
Time to go gracefully and one day we will all lament our loss...
You have to be on something if you believe he will be missed. The worst unellected PM in history!
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He probably was. But a truly caring and compassionate man, hence the failure as PM perhaps.
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Originally posted by Scunner
He probably was. But a truly caring and compassionate man, hence the failure as PM perhaps.
Not sure I agree - especially after 'bigotgate' and the past reports of the way he deals with his own staff at No 10.
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A man who can't do right for doing wrong, running Britain's biggest business concern, the "UK PLC".
My old boss used to shout at people, I think the Prime Minister is entitled to get angry with people now and again.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
I thought that was brill, but anyone named after a Turkish sunglasses shop deserves the chop - so bye bye Limpet Optik :D
You won't be so pleased when you are wiped out by one of his meteors because you wouldn't invest £3bn in his defence plan.
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You go on about "Unelected Pm" as if he was the first one ever....
And with the combined might of media The Tories still could not get in...
So... I expect you want another unelected Pm.
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Originally posted by barry44544
You go on about "Unelected Pm" as if he was the first one ever....
And with the combined might of media The Tories still could not get in...
So... I expect you want another unelected Pm.
I said the worst one in history and I know who the others were - thanks!
As for Cameron getting the job - he got the most votes and the most seats - so he and his party are the people's choice.
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But not a majority of the people Stoop.
You can get the votes of some of the people all of the time, and get the votes of all of the people some of the time, but you can not get the votes of all of the people all of the time.
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Apathy got 35% of the votes so they should lead the country, Apathy rules!
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And the members of the Apathy Party will be those that complain loudest about whatever government is in power.
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I dont think they will be bothered
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No.... If he was the people choice he would have won>>>>
Even you can see ...... He failed big time.
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hope gordon has his bags packed, he was the weakest link good bye.
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Originally posted by barry44544
No.... If he was the people choice he would have won>>>>
Even you can see ...... He failed big time.
If Cameron failed big time then at what level did Brown and Clegg fail?
Mega time?
Super mega time?
Brown - 91 seats
Clegg - 5 seats
CAMERON + 97 SEATS
Biggest swing for years.
Some failure [^]
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
But not a majority of the people Stoop.
You can get the votes of some of the people all of the time, and get the votes of all of the people some of the time, but you can not get the votes of all of the people all of the time.
If you follow that line of thought then just look at 2005 - Labour got the required seats with only 37% of the vote share. Lib Dem and Conservative got 22% and 33% respectively. It generally happens when there are more than two horses to back ;) Even Blair in 2001 only got 40.7%!
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Martin Wolf Chief Economics Editor for the Financial Times said in a television interview yesterday
Cameron does not have the experience, understanding or policies to deal with the economic situation in the UK.
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The really worrying thing is that Gordon Brown was said to have had the experience, understanding and policies and look where we are now
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Quite right H.
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Yes, but think where we would have been if the inexperience,d Cameron and Osbourne had been dealing with the crisis
Deep ****e I suspect, mind you, if they manage a deal with Clegg then we still have have deep ****e to look forward to.
hope you survive it.
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yes we are in the middle of a World Wide Economic Crisis - you'd have to some sort of God to have avoided that one... :)
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326 seats win......306 seats loose...
How hard can it be...
He aint got a majority. he did'nt win. game over
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and Cameron didn't get an overall majority either so I'd say everything to play for...
Roll on the next General Election - new Labout Leader then we'll see ;)
PS - TWO recessions under the Tory govt, inflation at 20% at one point, unemployment at 3 million and oh yes 17% interest rates - great record
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Originally posted by nichola
...Labout
Gets my vote nichola ;)
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How shallow are these party leaders? For weeks, a camera lens was like a magnet they couldn't resist. Since the night of the election, they just walk past and refuse to say a word! I haven't heard one word to camera from any of them. And that Nick Clegg, I felt sorry for him not being taken seriously in the House of Commons, like many a LibDem leader before him. Now he has his brief taste of real power (if only for a short time) he thinks he's it!!!
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
quote:
Originally posted by nichola
...Labout
Gets my vote nichola ;)
hahahahah ;)
I need a chuckle this time of night
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