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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Colwyn on May 04, 2010, 18:11:28 PM
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A guide to this for those in 71 marginal seats published today by the Daily Marror can be found by following the links starting here
http://dailynewspaper.co.uk/
But for a few seats you may wish to follow the advice given as "Corrections to Mirror guide" given at:
http://bit.ly/bDizHY
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SNP for my constituency then. UKIP can wait till we get PR :D
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if you get a hung parliament you will have the SNIP Party
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Let's hope for a well hung parliament then
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The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones, which ramify, for those brought up as most of us have been, into every corner of our minds.
Open your minds or nothing will change ;)
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someones being given a book H? very zen. Hung parliament they should always be well hung as they seem to have no trouble f****** the country up
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No c1 - I was just seeing how many threads we could collectively get the quote into ;)
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The important thing is not to stop labour I do not want a return to the eighties policies as it reminds me of the many Funerals I attended for people I knew who took their lives because of the financial situation they got into. I saw families distressed and living in poor conditions, street riots, police corruption, communities split up. It was greed and no concern for the common man, cameron represents the same goverment that presided over these years. Labour has its faults but I would not want to live through those times again and it would not be fair to put our children through it.
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well said David
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/04/why-i-hate-tories-david-cameron
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Originally posted by davidzz
the many Funerals I attended for people I knew who took their lives because of the financial situation they got into.
Not sure what that applies to David and I have no doubt that each case was an individual tradegy, but to be honest, I cannot see how you could lay that the any governments door.
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Originally posted by nichola
well said David
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/04/why-i-hate-tories-david-cameron
"Voting is always a balance between the moral and the strategic. What do I want, what can I get and what do I feel comfortable endorsing to get it."
Isn't that exactly why many people voted for The Tories under Margaret Thatcher ?
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Not sure what that applies to David and I have no doubt that each case was an individual tradegy, but to be honest, I cannot see how you could lay that the any governments door.
The government was not responsible for their deaths as they made the conscious decision to end their lives. The government encouraged a greed culture, everyman for himself and that it was wrong to fail in fact it saddens me the more I think about it, its not right to return to that way of life, I thought we had moved on.
David
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I hate Cameron and all his other colleagues who say "the Conservatives". "You should vote for the Conservatives" - I hate them calling themselves that, it REALLY makes my skin crawl. They should say "You should vote for the Conservative Party". Gordon Brown doesn't say you should vote for "The Labours" does he...
Conservative means tending to prefer the situation of now rather than meddling with it. If we'd had a Conservative government for the last 100 years we'd still be sending our kids up chimneys today.
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Originally posted by davidzz
The important thing is not to stop labour I do not want a return to the eighties policies as it reminds me of the many Funerals I attended for people I knew who took their lives because of the financial situation they got into. I saw families distressed and living in poor conditions, street riots, police corruption, communities split up. It was greed and no concern for the common man, cameron represents the same goverment that presided over these years. Labour has its faults but I would not want to live through those times again and it would not be fair to put our children through it.
If this government gets back in we will all suffer immensely. They will take us the same way as Greece. THIS COUNTRY IS ALMOST BANKRUPT AND LABOUR WILL FINISH THE JOB OFF.
This government has been caught with its hands in the tills. Flipping second homes to avoid tax etc etc etc.
This government has presided over mass immigration which has split communities - let's see how the BNP do in certain areas of the UK.
This government can't even stand on it's own election pledges as they now want voters to vote for the Lib Dems in order to keep Brown in office and save their own skins. How sad is that?
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I understand that Peter Hain used the term "intelligent voting" when referring to tactical voting.
Muppet ! I'd like to think that I have voted intelligently in the past by deciding on which party I wanted to govern this country rather than the one I didn't.
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Originally posted by davidzz
The important thing is not to stop labour I do not want a return to the eighties policies as it reminds me of the many Funerals I attended for people I knew who took their lives because of the financial situation they got into. I saw families distressed and living in poor conditions, street riots, police corruption, communities split up. It was greed and no concern for the common man, cameron represents the same goverment that presided over these years. Labour has its faults but I would not want to live through those times again and it would not be fair to put our children through it.
I missed this one. do Brits have such a short memory?
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Originally posted by Highlander
I understand that Peter Hain used the term "intelligent voting" when referring to tactical voting.
Muppet ! I'd like to think that I have voted intelligently in the past by deciding on which party I wanted to govern this country rather than the one I didn't.
Ed Balls even pleaded with Labour voters to vote Lib Deb.
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Originally posted by loz
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Originally posted by davidzz
The important thing is not to stop labour I do not want a return to the eighties policies as it reminds me of the many Funerals I attended for people I knew who took their lives because of the financial situation they got into. I saw families distressed and living in poor conditions, street riots, police corruption, communities split up. It was greed and no concern for the common man, cameron represents the same goverment that presided over these years. Labour has its faults but I would not want to live through those times again and it would not be fair to put our children through it.
I missed this one. do Brits have such a short memory?
Most labour voters must have complete short term memory loss in that case ;)
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Stoop do you feel like a lone drummer? ;): :)
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This government has been caught with its hands in the tills. Flipping second homes to avoid tax etc etc etc.
I think you have a very short term memory Stoop, it was not just "This government" it was all parties.
Most of them were not fiddling they were using the system. As an ex civil servant I used to be paid an allowance for nights away from home, which at the time was around £17/night, that had to pay for a hotel and a meal, sometimes we could find a cheap hotel and make a couple of quid, this was deemed to be illegal use of tax payers money, so we were put on "actuals", we could now put in for virtually anything we could provide a receipt for (including drinks), the hotels we could book through the governments hotel booking service, typically £100/night. All totally legal, the loser, the taxpayer. As I said it was/is the system, of all the people investigated very few will end up in court, because what they did was within the rules.
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every time bar none since labour first got in after second world war they have messed up the country,and put us all on the slippery slope to a third world country, no one party has all the answers but after 13 years of labour total rule the country is in a worst state than before they started fact,it was nearly the same as when maggie came to power, although boy david not cut from the same cloth as her mores the pity. Only those in the public sector need to really fear this election because who ever gets in cuts will have to be made. Brown's true colours have been shown during this election and it's not a hue I could ever support. Areas that have always voted labour in the past have got to ask themselves if their area under labour has impoved, more proper jobs for people, safer streets better chances for the kids to get on in education. We need to make things in britain that we can buy with pride. the reason why no one has stated how many jobs and salary /benefit cuts are to be made as turkeys don't vote for christmas.I see a summer of stikes etc, just hope the leaders will take the bull by the horns.
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We USED to make things in the UK - we had a massive manufacturing industry. It was DESTROYED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
INTEREST RATES of 15% plus BANKRUPTED businesses - under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
HOSPITALS were CLOSED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
The FINANCIAL sector was DEREGULATED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY - remember BLACK MONDAY 1987 when the stock markets CRASHED -
There went our PENSION FUNDS here are the ROOTS of this ECONOMIC CRISIS
Remember PENSION MIS-SELLING and ENDOWMENT MORTGAGES MIS-SELLING under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
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You are young, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions. Refrain therefore awhile from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters.
Plato (427 BC - 347 BC), Dialogues, Theatetus
Nichola, google Winter of Discontent 78-79 and see what the tories took over when they came to power.
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Nichola, google Winter of Discontent 78-79 and see what the tories took over when they came to power.
You would not have thought it could have got any worse, but Maggie managed it.
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Young but very knowledgable and well informed old chap ;)
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sorry Tink am having a good giggle here :D
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Originally posted by tinkerman
You are young, my son ... Nichola
It is not just Specsavers to which you should have gone.
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Business leaders reject hung Parliament scare story.
An attempt to get business leaders to sign up to the campaign to scare voters by saying that the sky would fall in if there was not a clear winner (i.e. the Tories) from the vote tomorrow failed because there was not enough support for this daft threat. Instead the boss of a 'well known company' said "perhaps Simon Cowell will swing it for the Tories". Oh dear. Fortunately it is the electorate who decide this - not the lovely Simon. So let's make sure we do what the title of this thread proclaims.
Story at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/05/torybacked_business_letter_flo.html
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Originally posted by nichola
We USED to make things in the UK - we had a massive manufacturing industry. It was DESTROYED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
INTEREST RATES of 15% plus BANKRUPTED businesses - under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
HOSPITALS were CLOSED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
The FINANCIAL sector was DEREGULATED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY - remember BLACK MONDAY 1987 when the stock markets CRASHED -
There went our PENSION FUNDS here are the ROOTS of this ECONOMIC CRISIS
Remember PENSION MIS-SELLING and ENDOWMENT MORTGAGES MIS-SELLING under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED under the CONSERVATIVE PARTY
So who are you voting for ?:P
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all this talk makes me wonder which party got the country into the terrible financial mess its in at the moment/.
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all this talk makes me wonder which party got the country into the terrible financial mess its in at the moment/.
It was the U.S. republican party!!
David
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Another reason I can't stand Cameron - when he calls the financial strife we find ourselves in he calls it "Gordon Brown's recession" - it isn't and it's a low shot to think he can make us believe it is by continually referring to it as that.
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Well, it looks like we will spend a day talking about a "Progressive Coalition" - sounds good doesn't it? Until you realize it is Lab, LibDem, Scot Nat and Welsh Nat shuffling about to see if they can cobble something together. Then Cameron will become PM with LibDems reluctantly propping him up.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Another reason I can't stand Cameron - when he calls the financial strife we find ourselves in he calls it "Gordon Brown's recession" - it isn't and it's a low shot to think he can make us believe it is by continually referring to it as that.
He's not going to take blame himself is he? After all he wasn't the man in No 10
What about Labour sending out leaflets to old people telling them the Conservatives would stop free bus passes etc etc? Cheap shot?
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under the tories maggie gave the right to buy council home for many this was a leg up onto the property ladder.most jobs "created"under labour have been in the public sector not the private sector of the market. also more business's started under tories than under labour.I remember the three day week when the miners held up coal to the power stations, under ted heath.and the binmans strike etc, looking at uk from turkey you must still have the rose coloured sunglasses on.We need PR not polar politics, and should plan for the future now with new power stations, new coal mines etc.
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Delusional and deeply floored memories there C1, a bad result for labour and a terrible result for the country
Thankfully a balanced parliament will keep the worst of the Tory excesses at bay and may just force Cameron
into accepting electoral reform.
Or maybe I'm just as delusional as you ;)
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Bad result from Labour????
It was better than the result they deserved to get after getting the UK in the mess it is. It took them 13 years to achieve that, God knows what they'd have achieved if they had won...They'd probably have managed to bankrupt the UK whilst keeping their gold plated, non contributory, pensions in tact but I guess some might think they deserved that.
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If we only had a 'like' button Fi :)
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Maybe we should have had the **** off button like Simon Cowell and friends have on the 'Britain's got talent' show
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Originally posted by cheers
Maybe we should have had the **** off button like Simon Cowell and friends have on the 'Britain's got talent' show
****off then ;)
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I#ve got these election results sussed! Him wot won it came second and him wot came third decides who governs the country.simple.....
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Originally posted by Colwyn
Well, it looks like we will spend a day talking about a "Progressive Coalition" - sounds good doesn't it? Until you realize it is Lab, LibDem, Scot Nat and Welsh Nat shuffling about to see if they can cobble something together. Then Cameron will become PM with LibDems reluctantly propping him up.
Well, three days on, and Gordon Brown has made his big play. He has, in the last few minutes, proposed a "Progressive Coalition" of Lab/LibDems. If accepted, he then promises to resign to allow a new leadership contest for Lab before the next Lab conference - in September unless they bring it forward.
I can't see it working. Still it might throw a fright into the Cameronians to agree to allow a House of Commons vote to enable the voters to determine whether they want to stay with increasly ludicrous first-past-the-post system or move a fairer, more representative system. I think the Tories are too "frit" to do this though It might mean the people of the UK could democratically decide how they would like their "democracy" to be organized - unthinkable!
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Have been watching the BBC's Special. So far three Labour politicians and one Lib/Dem. So much for balanced reporting:(
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Here's a question for Labour supporters. All through the election I was told that Gordon Brown was the best (if not the only) man to lead us out of the economic crisis.
What happened then:(.
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Well, quite simply not enough voters believed that. Whether he is or isn't, he's seen that his best attribute at this point in time is to get out of the way.
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All very honourable I'm sure. But the thing that's really beginning to get up my nose is that it was Labour who were telling me that this time last week and now, in a desperate attempt to cling to power, they are telling me something different.
If it was the case last Monday then it must be now so can I expect that if there is a Lib/Lab government the new unelected Prime Minister will immediately appoint the boy from Kirkcaldy as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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Originally posted by Highlander
Here's a question for Labour supporters. All through the election I was told that Gordon Brown was the best (if not the only) man to lead us out of the economic crisis.
What happened then:(.
Here's a question for Tories. Throughout the election your party, and its rabid media, was attacking Gordon Brown and baying that he should be kicked out. Well, he is going. So will it be OK to vote Lab next time then?
P.S. I am not a Lab voter.
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Where is the new boy David. Time for him to reappear methinks ;)
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OMG, i knew i should have logged on before today, i nearly missed this thread.
Though i think i should have done, i feel faint, i`m agreeing with Fi & stoop. :o
YES, i was alive the last time Labour nearly bankrupt this country and Maggie (my heroine) got us back on our feet and nearly paid off our national debt during her time in power.
oh yeah i nearly forgot, we had some Gold in those days too.:D
Crabbit (Voted Conservative)
(http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/crabbit49/crab1.gif)
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You're intervention is sure to spice things up.:D.
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Hey up Dave - we agree on politics and football (we both love our teams).
It really gets me that we might yet end up with the party who got the most votes and most seats NOT being able to form a government and yet the 2nd and 3rd placed losers might just be able to cobble something together.
I think if it were Maggie she would have declared that the Conservatives would form a government with the seats the Conservatives have and Cameron may yet try and do this. If not I see one very diluted Li/Lab and dogs dinner pact trying to make something from a bad job.
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The Clegg fellow is beginning to worry me.
He comes over nicey, nicey all the time and yet I learned earlier this evening that his people had been talking to Labour without telling Cameron's people.
Sounds like someone we could trust in the future:(.
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How to stop the Tories
Looks like they have found a way.
;)
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Can we all use one thread for this topic from now on.
Cheers.